(Quality Control) Choice Scarf Jellicent[QC 2/3]

Pokemasta77 · Feb 6th, 2013, 5:33:45 PM

http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/jellicent/vgc2012
[SET]
Name: Choice Scarf
Move 1: Water Spout
Move 2: Shadow Ball
Move 3: Ice Beam
Move 4: Trick
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
Evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Why this set deserves to be on-site:

1.Outspeeds Everything Base 116 Speed And Up(No Boosts)
2.Surprises Most Teams
3.Water Spout Can Dent Just About Anything In The Rain

Additional Comments:

1.Blizzard Is A Great Coverage Move
2.Water Spout Does A Lot Of Damage In The Rain
3.Shadow Ball Is A Good Stab Move
4.Trick Is Just In Case You Are Threatened And Need To Get Rid Of The Scarf

Other Options:
1.Surf Can Be Used Over Water Spout If Constant Damage Output Is Wanted.
2.Scald, Although Weaker, Has The Potential To Burn And Cripple The Opponent.
3.Blizzard Can Be Used Over Ice Beam, Especially In Hail, If You Want To Hit Both Opposing Pokemon
4.Energy Ball Ball Can Be Used To Attack Opposing Water Types, Namely Gastrodon
5.Giga Drain Is Another Option That Provides Healing Although Is Slightly Weaker

Teammates & Counters:

Really Depends On What Jellicent Is Choice Locked Into:

Gastrodon Is Good When Locked In Water Spout
Weavile Is Faster And Can Hit Super-Effectively
Other Weather Inducers For The Fact That It Weakens Water Spout
Faster Choice Scarf Users
Ferrothorn Just Naturally Walls It
Thundurus(Both Forms)- It has no issue really taking Jellicent out and should always have a counter when using this set

Teamates:

Politoed To Set Up Rain And Can Spam Surf To Heal Jellicent
Togekiss And Zapdos To Take Care Of Fighting/Grass And Hit With Heat Wave
Conkeldurr Is Great Because It Can Take Out The Faster Scarf Users That Threaten Jellicent With Mach Punch

Pokemasta77 · Feb 6th, 2013, 6:00:25 PM

Ready for comments and please tell everything. This is my first analysis and I want to make sure it is being done correctly.

Pokemasta77 · Feb 7th, 2013, 4:25:43 PM

Have I done something wrong that nobody is commenting? Sorry I'm new to this.

**R Inanimate** · Feb 13th, 2013, 8:49:45 PM

You haven't really done anything wrong, per se. It's just that this forum is mostly dead.

Here are some comments:

Although the set isn't really too common to see anymore, due to most Pokemon being more than bulky enough to take a Water Spout, it's still a somewhat valid moveset.

-Sludge Bomb is only really useful against Abomasnow and Ludicolo, and probably not something you want to be locked into.
-Energy Ball/Giga Drain is in a similar boat, being only particularly effective against Gastrodon.
-I'd say that Ice Beam/Blizzard and Trick are the best moves for the 3rd and 4th moveslot mostly likely

EVs and nature are straightforward

-Watch out for Faster Scarfers, namely TTar, and Hydreigon
-Ferrothorn will wall you, most swift swim Pokemon aren't bothered much by Scarf Jellicent

Pokemasta77 · Feb 18th, 2013, 11:45:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat R Inanimate

You haven't really done anything wrong, per se. It's just that this forum is mostly dead.

Here are some comments:

Although the set isn't really too common to see anymore, due to most Pokemon being more than bulky enough to take a Water Spout, it's still a somewhat valid moveset.

-Sludge Bomb is only really useful against Abomasnow and Ludicolo, and probably not something you want to be locked into.
-Energy Ball/Giga Drain is in a similar boat, being only particularly effective against Gastrodon.
-I'd say that Ice Beam/Blizzard and Trick are the best moves for the 3rd and 4th moveslot mostly likely

EVs and nature are straightforward

-Watch out for Faster Scarfers, namely TTar, and Hydreigon
-Ferrothorn will wall you, most swift swim Pokemon aren't bothered much by Scarf Jellicent

Wow I totally forgot about posting this lol. Ok changes will be made and then what else after this? Do I have to wait for others to look this over?

tehy · Feb 28th, 2013, 12:39:04 AM

You should probably PM a QC member of this forum if you're still interested after all this time. if you're not you can just tell them to move it to Locked and Outdated

Pokemasta77 · Mar 2nd, 2013, 6:48:27 PM

I am still interested. It is just that I am not getting any answers.

Magcargo 2 · Mar 7th, 2013, 7:06:11 PM

Blizzard has very poor accuracy. Either replace it with giga drain or ice beam. Giga drain provides Psuedo recovery, while ice beam is more reliable. Also, for teammates, a rapid spinner is very useful because it can keep jellicent's water spout's power high.

**Tobes** · Mar 7th, 2013, 9:05:54 PM

...This is a VGC analysis Magcargo. Blizzard is being used for its multi-targeting and synergy with Abonasnow (I would still slash Ice Beam before it though) and Giga Drain is AC material because the only thing it hits hard enough is Gastrodon. As for Rapid Spin support: no. Hazards are literally a non-factor in VGC.

Pokemasta77 · Mar 8th, 2013, 3:25:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tobes

...This is a VGC analysis Magcargo. Blizzard is being used for its multi-targeting and synergy with Abonasnow (I would still slash Ice Beam before it though) and Giga Drain is AC material because the only thing it hits hard enough is Gastrodon. As for Rapid Spin support: no. Hazards are literally a non-factor in VGC.

So you want to switch Ice Beam with Blizzard or just mention it?

**Tobes** · Mar 8th, 2013, 8:15:01 PM

Actually Blizzard should probably be AC since this set will usually be used on rain teams (or at least Water-centric teams), which usually don't have Abonasnow, unless they're those rain-hail hybrids that use Lapras/Jynx/whatever. Just as well, since hail is going to be weakening Water Spout. So yeah, replace Blizzard with Ice Beam.

Pokemasta77 · Mar 8th, 2013, 9:24:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tobes

Actually Blizzard should probably be AC since this set will usually be used on rain teams (or at least Water-centric teams), which usually don't have Abonasnow, unless they're those rain-hail hybrids that use Lapras/Jynx/whatever. Just as well, since hail is going to be weakening Water Spout. So yeah, replace Blizzard with Ice Beam.

What else would you recommend?

Pokemasta77 · Mar 15th, 2013, 5:43:55 AM

Does anyone have any other reccomendations?

Dozz · Mar 22nd, 2013, 4:02:14 PM

I think you should probably note how big a counter Thundurus is to this. Either forme as well. I mean, Ice Beam will do some damage to it, but probably not enough to OHKO it, with no stab, and if you're setting up rain for yourself, a Scarf Thundurus is going to enjoy getting the Thunder off no problem. Just seems like you'll always have to look out for one of those.

The Agonist · Mar 22nd, 2013, 4:27:20 PM

252 SpA Jellicent Water Spout vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-T in rain: 130-154 (83.87 - 99.35%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Jellicent Water Spout vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus in rain: 130-154 (83.87 - 99.35%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Jellicent Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-T: 108-128 (69.67 - 82.58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Jellicent Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 108-128 (69.67 - 82.58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

fun fact, 4 HP EVs prevents Thundurus (both formes) from ever being OHKOed by Water Spout.

252 SpA Thundurus-T Thunder vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 216-254 (122.72 - 144.31%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Thundurus Thunder vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 192-228 (109.09 - 129.54%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Thundurus-T Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 168-200 (95.45 - 113.63%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 152-182 (86.36 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Pokemasta77 · Mar 22nd, 2013, 5:06:37 PM

This will be mentioned. You did the calculations under rain right?

The Agonist · Mar 22nd, 2013, 7:49:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Pokemasta77

This will be mentioned. You did the calculations under rain right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat The Agonist

252 SpA Jellicent Water Spout vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-T in rain: 130-154 (83.87 - 99.35%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Jellicent Water Spout vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus in rain: 130-154 (83.87 - 99.35%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Pokemasta77 · Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:29:52 PM

Wow lol sorry.

**R Inanimate** · Mar 26th, 2013, 10:42:41 PM

The calculations are off.
Keep in mind to use the stats of the Pokemon at level 50. Also take into account that you will rarely be hitting a single target with Water Spout, and thus it will be weakened to 75% of its usual strength.

Other things to mention,
-Anything with Sucker Punch can reduce Scarf Jellicent's effectiveness
-note Scarf Tyranitar, Chandelure, Rotom-A, and Hydreigon as specific examples for faster scarf users

scorpdestroyer · Mar 27th, 2013, 5:33:57 AM

State that a teammate with Surf is amazing on Jellicent because it powers up Water Spout due to Water Absorb. Politoed is probably the best guy for this because he provides rain as well.

Pokemasta77 · Mar 28th, 2013, 8:15:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat R Inanimate

The calculations are off.
Keep in mind to use the stats of the Pokemon at level 50. Also take into account that you will rarely be hitting a single target with Water Spout, and thus it will be weakened to 75% of its usual strength.

Other things to mention,
-Anything with Sucker Punch can reduce Scarf Jellicent's effectiveness
-note Scarf Tyranitar, Chandelure, Rotom-A, and Hydreigon as specific examples for faster scarf users

I totally forgot about the power drop. Let me fix that.

Pokemasta77 · May 11th, 2013, 11:45:49 AM

Bump

Biosci · May 12th, 2013, 2:15:12 AM

I Think You Use A Lot Of Capital Letters.

Nothing really wrong with the set, so I'll approve it. Be sure to mention other move options like Energy Ball, Scald, Blizzard, and even Surf if you want to consider other moves to use. However, this shouldn't be going on site until Jellicent gets a full revamp done.

QC Approved 1/3

Rohail17 · May 12th, 2013, 10:47:52 AM

You aren't allowed to use custom names for sets like these without permission. "Man of War" is a pretty irrelevant set name for a Choice Scarf Jellicent anyways. I'd suggest changing it to "Choice Scarf".

lucariojr · May 12th, 2013, 3:27:43 PM

I wouldn't have a problem with a custom name if it wasn't as vague as Man of War. save yourself the trouble and change the name back to Choice Scarf. remember, the joke has to come to you, don't force it

after you do that and make biosci's changes i'll stamp this

Feb 6th, 2013, 5:33:45 PM	#1
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	Choice Scarf Jellicent[QC 2/3] http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/jellicent/vgc2012 [SET] Name: Choice Scarf Move 1: Water Spout Move 2: Shadow Ball Move 3: Ice Beam Move 4: Trick Item: Choice Scarf Nature: Timid Evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Why this set deserves to be on-site: 1.Outspeeds Everything Base 116 Speed And Up(No Boosts) 2.Surprises Most Teams 3.Water Spout Can Dent Just About Anything In The Rain Additional Comments: 1.Blizzard Is A Great Coverage Move 2.Water Spout Does A Lot Of Damage In The Rain 3.Shadow Ball Is A Good Stab Move 4.Trick Is Just In Case You Are Threatened And Need To Get Rid Of The Scarf Other Options: 1.Surf Can Be Used Over Water Spout If Constant Damage Output Is Wanted. 2.Scald, Although Weaker, Has The Potential To Burn And Cripple The Opponent. 3.Blizzard Can Be Used Over Ice Beam, Especially In Hail, If You Want To Hit Both Opposing Pokemon 4.Energy Ball Ball Can Be Used To Attack Opposing Water Types, Namely Gastrodon 5.Giga Drain Is Another Option That Provides Healing Although Is Slightly Weaker Teammates & Counters: Really Depends On What Jellicent Is Choice Locked Into: Gastrodon Is Good When Locked In Water Spout Weavile Is Faster And Can Hit Super-Effectively Other Weather Inducers For The Fact That It Weakens Water Spout Faster Choice Scarf Users Ferrothorn Just Naturally Walls It Thundurus(Both Forms)- It has no issue really taking Jellicent out and should always have a counter when using this set Teamates: Politoed To Set Up Rain And Can Spam Surf To Heal Jellicent Togekiss And Zapdos To Take Care Of Fighting/Grass And Hit With Heat Wave Conkeldurr Is Great Because It Can Take Out The Faster Scarf Users That Threaten Jellicent With Mach Punch __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome." Last edited by Pokemasta77; May 19th, 2013 at 8:04:37 AM.

Feb 6th, 2013, 6:00:25 PM	#2
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	Ready for comments and please tell everything. This is my first analysis and I want to make sure it is being done correctly. __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome."

Feb 7th, 2013, 4:25:43 PM	#3
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	Have I done something wrong that nobody is commenting? Sorry I'm new to this. __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome."

Feb 13th, 2013, 8:49:45 PM	#4
R Inanimate Serenely Graciously Flinching Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 682 Vancover, Ability Region	You haven't really done anything wrong, per se. It's just that this forum is mostly dead. Here are some comments: Although the set isn't really too common to see anymore, due to most Pokemon being more than bulky enough to take a Water Spout, it's still a somewhat valid moveset. -Sludge Bomb is only really useful against Abomasnow and Ludicolo, and probably not something you want to be locked into. -Energy Ball/Giga Drain is in a similar boat, being only particularly effective against Gastrodon. -I'd say that Ice Beam/Blizzard and Trick are the best moves for the 3rd and 4th moveslot mostly likely EVs and nature are straightforward -Watch out for Faster Scarfers, namely TTar, and Hydreigon -Ferrothorn will wall you, most swift swim Pokemon aren't bothered much by Scarf Jellicent __________________ Just another rainy day on the train... VGCS Jaunary International, 165W-30L-27D/C, 1873, 13th Place VGC 2013 Winter Regional, Salem OR, 1st Place

Mar 2nd, 2013, 6:48:27 PM	#7
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	I am still interested. It is just that I am not getting any answers. __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome."

Feb 28th, 2013, 12:39:04 AM	#6
tehy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,158	You should probably PM a QC member of this forum if you're still interested after all this time. if you're not you can just tell them to move it to Locked and Outdated

Mar 7th, 2013, 7:06:11 PM	#8
Magcargo 2 Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 499 Skarmory Sands	Blizzard has very poor accuracy. Either replace it with giga drain or ice beam. Giga drain provides Psuedo recovery, while ice beam is more reliable. Also, for teammates, a rapid spinner is very useful because it can keep jellicent's water spout's power high.

Mar 7th, 2013, 9:05:54 PM	#9
Tobes Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,256 GONER	...This is a VGC analysis Magcargo. Blizzard is being used for its multi-targeting and synergy with Abonasnow (I would still slash Ice Beam before it though) and Giga Drain is AC material because the only thing it hits hard enough is Gastrodon. As for Rapid Spin support: no. Hazards are literally a non-factor in VGC. __________________

Mar 8th, 2013, 8:15:01 PM	#11
Tobes Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,256 GONER	Actually Blizzard should probably be AC since this set will usually be used on rain teams (or at least Water-centric teams), which usually don't have Abonasnow, unless they're those rain-hail hybrids that use Lapras/Jynx/whatever. Just as well, since hail is going to be weakening Water Spout. So yeah, replace Blizzard with Ice Beam. __________________

Mar 15th, 2013, 5:43:55 AM	#13
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	Does anyone have any other reccomendations? __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome."

Mar 22nd, 2013, 4:02:14 PM	#14
Dozz Has anyone in this family ever seen a chicken? Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 523 England	I think you should probably note how big a counter Thundurus is to this. Either forme as well. I mean, Ice Beam will do some damage to it, but probably not enough to OHKO it, with no stab, and if you're setting up rain for yourself, a Scarf Thundurus is going to enjoy getting the Thunder off no problem. Just seems like you'll always have to look out for one of those. __________________

Mar 22nd, 2013, 4:27:20 PM	#15
The Agonist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,016 Reflecting ourselves in the blood of all the beings we slay.	252 SpA Jellicent Water Spout vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-T in rain: 130-154 (83.87 - 99.35%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Jellicent Water Spout vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus in rain: 130-154 (83.87 - 99.35%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ SpA Jellicent Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-T: 108-128 (69.67 - 82.58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ SpA Jellicent Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 108-128 (69.67 - 82.58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO fun fact, 4 HP EVs prevents Thundurus (both formes) from ever being OHKOed by Water Spout. 252 SpA Thundurus-T Thunder vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 216-254 (122.72 - 144.31%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Thundurus Thunder vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 192-228 (109.09 - 129.54%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Thundurus-T Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 168-200 (95.45 - 113.63%) -- 75% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 152-182 (86.36 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO __________________ #

Mar 22nd, 2013, 5:06:37 PM	#16
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	This will be mentioned. You did the calculations under rain right? __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome."

Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:29:52 PM	#18
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	Wow lol sorry. __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome."

Mar 26th, 2013, 10:42:41 PM	#19
R Inanimate Serenely Graciously Flinching Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 682 Vancover, Ability Region	The calculations are off. Keep in mind to use the stats of the Pokemon at level 50. Also take into account that you will rarely be hitting a single target with Water Spout, and thus it will be weakened to 75% of its usual strength. Other things to mention, -Anything with Sucker Punch can reduce Scarf Jellicent's effectiveness -note Scarf Tyranitar, Chandelure, Rotom-A, and Hydreigon as specific examples for faster scarf users __________________ Just another rainy day on the train... VGCS Jaunary International, 165W-30L-27D/C, 1873, 13th Place VGC 2013 Winter Regional, Salem OR, 1st Place

Mar 27th, 2013, 5:33:57 AM	#20
scorpdestroyer Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 216 Singapore	State that a teammate with Surf is amazing on Jellicent because it powers up Water Spout due to Water Absorb. Politoed is probably the best guy for this because he provides rain as well. __________________ The Game

May 11th, 2013, 11:45:49 AM	#22
Pokemasta77 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 370 United States	Bump __________________ My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaginRiolu?feature=mhee "I'm Gonna Pop Some Tags Only Got Twenty Dollars In My Pocket I-I-I'm Huntin' Looking For A Come Up This Is Fucking Awesome."

May 12th, 2013, 2:15:12 AM	#23
Biosci The Flyin' Wifin' Hawaiian Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,333 Hilo	I Think You Use A Lot Of Capital Letters. Nothing really wrong with the set, so I'll approve it. Be sure to mention other move options like Energy Ball, Scald, Blizzard, and even Surf if you want to consider other moves to use. However, this shouldn't be going on site until Jellicent gets a full revamp done. QC Approved 1/3 __________________ 1st Place Winter VGCS and 2nd Place Long Beach Winter Regionals!

May 12th, 2013, 10:47:52 AM	#24
Rohail17 Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 91 Ontario, Canada	You aren't allowed to use custom names for sets like these without permission. "Man of War" is a pretty irrelevant set name for a Choice Scarf Jellicent anyways. I'd suggest changing it to "Choice Scarf". __________________ Currently working on a UU Sigilyph analysis Weatherless Balance: A Daring Attempt (OU RMT) Also an Amchecker. Congratulations, you're officially done reading my signature.

May 12th, 2013, 3:27:43 PM	#25
lucariojr stranger'n a snake's suspenders, but sweeter'n a stolen kiss Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 955 Mississippi	I wouldn't have a problem with a custom name if it wasn't as vague as Man of War. save yourself the trouble and change the name back to Choice Scarf. remember, the joke has to come to you, don't force it after you do that and make biosci's changes i'll stamp this __________________ aint i a piece of work