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Ernesto · Feb 10th, 2013, 4:54:36 PM

In addition to what RT. said, something that could be worth a read is kokoloko's Underused 101: Teambuilding guide, which gives you some understanding to what the biggest threats are so that you know what to take into account when teambuilding. Even though it's not that thorough, it'll surely help you understand the metagame.

MagicShedinja · Feb 20th, 2013, 12:32:40 PM

hi! i'm searching for a pokemon that can Counter / Check both Nasty Plot Cofagrigus and Choice Band Snorlax. there is something that can? thanks

FlareBlitz · Feb 20th, 2013, 3:22:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat MagicShedinja

hi! i'm searching for a pokemon that can Counter / Check both Nasty Plot Cofagrigus and Choice Band Snorlax. there is something that can? thanks

These are Pokemon that hit very hard from completely different sides of the spectrum with each of them having perfect coverage, so you will find this endeavor challenging. The closest you can get to a full counter for both of these will be CB Escavalier - it can be EV'd to outspeed Snorlax and ohkos with Megahorn, and 2hkos Cofagrigrus with Iron Head, letting you beat it. Watch out for the rare Fire Punch from Snorlax and you should be fine.

Homeslice · Feb 20th, 2013, 7:29:33 PM

Is there anywhere I can get some more advanced suggestions past the UU Teambuilding 101 posted in the last Smog? Looking for something to take my team to the next level.

Ace Emerald · Feb 20th, 2013, 8:17:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Homeslice

Is there anywhere I can get some more advanced suggestions past the UU Teambuilding 101 posted in the last Smog? Looking for something to take my team to the next level.

Better suggestions only really come from addressing individual teams, every team is different. If you want to take your team to the next level, the Rate My Team forum can help. Make sure to be detailed in description so the raters can give you top notch advice. Hope this helps!

Pokemazter · Feb 20th, 2013, 11:29:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Homeslice

Is there anywhere I can get some more advanced suggestions past the UU Teambuilding 101 posted in the last Smog? Looking for something to take my team to the next level.

The UU channel on IRC, #GenVUU may also provide you with some assistance, as many high-calibre UU players gather there often and can offer suggestions.

RabidChipmunk · Feb 21st, 2013, 11:48:06 AM

Two questions, both completely unrelated to each other.

Firstly, what are some good partners for ParaFlinch Togekiss? His analysis says Rhyperior, but I feel like my current Rhyperior/Togekiss/Roserade core has too much of an Ice weakness.

Secondly, is Choice Scarf Azelf with U-turn at all viable?

Onicon · Feb 21st, 2013, 12:03:32 PM

Our bet is on Swampert. It covers Togekiss's weaknesses and can take non-STAB Ice Beams. Also, it enjoys the paralysis Togekiss spreads.

We think Scarf-Azelf is a bit weak and Explosion is not as strong as it used to be. Raikou is just as fast and has STAB Volt Switch up to boot so that would be our first choice.

Pokemazter · Feb 22nd, 2013, 12:08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat RabidChipmunk

Firstly, what are some good partners for ParaFlinch Togekiss? His analysis says Rhyperior, but I feel like my current Rhyperior/Togekiss/Roserade core has too much of an Ice weakness.

Try using Qwilfish over Roserade. It can still supply Spikes, while also providing a resistance to Heracross and Ice-type moves.

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Secondly, is Choice Scarf Azelf with U-turn at all viable?

Not at all. Mienshao does U-Turn and Choice Scarf better thanks to its Fighting-type STAB and access to Regenerator.

PTJon7 · Mar 20th, 2013, 10:28:23 PM

I guess this is the right place to ask this(?) but what exactly is the UU Primier League? It doesn't really say anything in the player signups. I assume it isn't just a regular tournament, or I wouldn't be asking.

Ace Emerald · Mar 20th, 2013, 10:31:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat PTJon7

I guess this is the right place to ask this(?) but what exactly is the UU Primier League? It doesn't really say anything in the player signups. I assume it isn't just a regular tournament, or I wouldn't be asking.

Its a team tournament. Managers will draft players much like a sports team, then the teams will face off. Players choose a battle spot (BW2 1-3, DPP 1-2, or ADV), and face the player in that spot. Look at the Smogon Premier League for the original idea.

PTJon7 · Mar 20th, 2013, 10:42:52 PM

Oh ok cool. Thanks

RyujinSama · Mar 31st, 2013, 10:13:43 AM

Is a Hail Team advisible in UU? It's pretty rare, if not never used...

Just wondering since I saw a Abomasnow at a UU match and I thought:

"Mmm... Interesting o-o'"

PTJon7 · Mar 31st, 2013, 10:47:21 AM

Hail is totally viable in UU, why wouldn't it be? Hail Stall can be extremely hard to beat in good hands, and Hail Offense enjoys the benefit of Blizzard and Hail damage.

But keep in mind that having Hail isn't an excuse to have a lot of Ice types, I see that mistake a lot.

RyujinSama · Mar 31st, 2013, 10:53:08 AM

Mmm... Thanks for the heads up. Will try to see if I can get up a team with Hail...

Kaz Atrous · Apr 1st, 2013, 7:50:41 PM

Hail seems quite a good option. Couldn't figure out how to stop a sub Walrein with my team!

moonbase · Apr 4th, 2013, 9:24:54 PM

Is it frowned upon if you use a scarfer on a team with offensive TR cofagrigus?

**RT.** · Apr 4th, 2013, 10:32:36 PM

Definitely not, but it's a good idea to have 1-2 slow hard hitting Pokemon to take advantage of Trick Room while it's up. Escavalier, Druddigon, and Snorlax are all fine choices.

Dcae · Apr 5th, 2013, 1:48:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat moonbase

Is it frowned upon if you use a scarfer on a team with offensive TR cofagrigus?

OTR Cofa is used a lot like Reuniclus in OU: come in on something that can be set up on, use TR, then proceed to sweep. It is very useful, but doesn't mean the whole team is about TR. Also, RT. brings up a good point. I enjoy running Band Druddi as a partner because it is bulky and can take advantage of TR extremely well. Scarfers are necessities on almost all teams to deal with threats out of hand, any are run by even full TR teams as a backup in case the plan goes wrong. Definitely use a Scarfer if you want.

jmorris · Apr 8th, 2013, 7:27:10 PM

Is there anything major that Choice Scarf Flygon out speeds that a Choice Band variant can't? Assuming they both have the same nature (Jolly/Adamant).

Thanks a lot.

Warb · Apr 8th, 2013, 8:12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat jmorris

Is there anything major that Choice Scarf Flygon out speeds that a Choice Band variant can't? Assuming they both have the same nature (Jolly/Adamant).

Thanks a lot.

To be frank: every scarfer under base 100 speed as well as any non-scarfed Pokemon above 100 base speed.

If you want to have specific answers here we go. Although the Pokemon pointed out should be really bloody obvious.

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It should be noted that Choice Band Flygon and Choice Scarf Flygon serve different purposes. Thus, you should consider how your Flygon should contribute to your team before deciding on a set.

Scarfed Flygon is a good revenge killer and a good early game scout because of its nice speed tier, as there are many dangerous Pokemon in the tier ranging from 80 to 95 base speed, and most of them are viable scarfers. It serves as a generally good check to fast, but somewhat frail offensive pokemon. In a lategame scenario (aka if every one of the opponent's Pokemon is killed by a single Outrage), the only Pokemon that can reliably revenge kill a full HP Scarf Flygon are Scarf Reckless Mienshao, Scarf Raikou / Virizion with HP Ice, Weavile and Piloswine.

Banded Flygon is very hard to switch into, especially without a Steel-type (aka Bronzong). As such, it is a very potent wallbreaker because there are very few things in UU that like eating a banded STAB Outrage or EQ. It can be much easier revenge killed though.

It should be noted that (on the ladder) most Flygons are scarfed, because the scarf set fits more purposes, so things like banded Flygon are sometimes (or often) not considered by a lot of players, which gives it somewhat of a suprise factor.

***kokoloko**** · Apr 8th, 2013, 8:15:48 PM

Mienshao, Mismagius, Raikou, Azelf, +1 Scarfty, +1 Kingdra, +1 Venomoth, Scarf Darmanitan, Scarf Heracross, Scarf Krookodile...

You shouldn't really be comparing the two sets though. They serve completely different roles on a team, so the one you use shouldn't depend on what the other fails to do, but rather on what your team needs. If you're looking for a revenge killer and Flygon's typing works with your team, you probably want to use Scarf on it. If you're simply looking to smash through your opponent's team using boosted Earthquakes and Outrages, then you want a CB variant.

So you see, you're kinda asking the wrong question here...

jmorris · Apr 8th, 2013, 8:27:13 PM

My bad guys, thanks for the answers anyway. I've got a Scarfed Flygon on one of my teams, I was just wondering If I could swap its item and use a different scarfer in its place.

moonbase · Apr 8th, 2013, 8:45:42 PM

What is an offensive core that has scarfed mienshao?

PTJon7 · Apr 8th, 2013, 8:48:19 PM

A good partner for Mienshao would be CB Snorlax, as it can trap and kill a lot of the things that wall Mienshao (ghosts and psychics) with Pursuit. Snorlax is also just an all around awesome member to most teams.

Feb 20th, 2013, 12:32:40 PM	#177
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Feb 20th, 2013, 7:29:33 PM	#179
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Feb 21st, 2013, 11:48:06 AM	#182
RabidChipmunk Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 198 Serenity now, sanity later.	Two questions, both completely unrelated to each other. Firstly, what are some good partners for ParaFlinch Togekiss? His analysis says Rhyperior, but I feel like my current Rhyperior/Togekiss/Roserade core has too much of an Ice weakness. Secondly, is Choice Scarf Azelf with U-turn at all viable? __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRabidChipmunk Check out my channel for Pokemon B2/W2 Wi-Fi battles! B2/W2 FC: 1378-5087-0752 I use legal hacks.

Apr 4th, 2013, 10:32:36 PM	#193
RT. Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,104	Definitely not, but it's a good idea to have 1-2 slow hard hitting Pokemon to take advantage of Trick Room while it's up. Escavalier, Druddigon, and Snorlax are all fine choices. __________________

Apr 8th, 2013, 8:15:48 PM	#197
*kokoloko winter is coming Super Moderator** Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,318	Mienshao, Mismagius, Raikou, Azelf, +1 Scarfty, +1 Kingdra, +1 Venomoth, Scarf Darmanitan, Scarf Heracross, Scarf Krookodile... You shouldn't really be comparing the two sets though. They serve completely different roles on a team, so the one you use shouldn't depend on what the other fails to do, but rather on what your team needs. If you're looking for a revenge killer and Flygon's typing works with your team, you probably want to use Scarf on it. If you're simply looking to smash through your opponent's team using boosted Earthquakes and Outrages, then you want a CB variant. So you see, you're kinda asking the wrong question here... __________________

Feb 10th, 2013, 4:54:36 PM	#176
Ernesto Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 232 Santa Fe, Argentina	In addition to what RT. said, something that could be worth a read is kokoloko's Underused 101: Teambuilding guide, which gives you some understanding to what the biggest threats are so that you know what to take into account when teambuilding. Even though it's not that thorough, it'll surely help you understand the metagame.

Feb 21st, 2013, 12:03:32 PM	#183
Onicon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 696	Our bet is on Swampert. It covers Togekiss's weaknesses and can take non-STAB Ice Beams. Also, it enjoys the paralysis Togekiss spreads. We think Scarf-Azelf is a bit weak and Explosion is not as strong as it used to be. Raikou is just as fast and has STAB Volt Switch up to boot so that would be our first choice.

Mar 20th, 2013, 10:28:23 PM	#185
PTJon7 Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 318	I guess this is the right place to ask this(?) but what exactly is the UU Primier League? It doesn't really say anything in the player signups. I assume it isn't just a regular tournament, or I wouldn't be asking.

Mar 20th, 2013, 10:42:52 PM	#187
PTJon7 Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 318	Oh ok cool. Thanks

Mar 31st, 2013, 10:13:43 AM	#188
RyujinSama Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9	Is a Hail Team advisible in UU? It's pretty rare, if not never used... Just wondering since I saw a Abomasnow at a UU match and I thought: "Mmm... Interesting o-o'"

Mar 31st, 2013, 10:47:21 AM	#189
PTJon7 Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 318	Hail is totally viable in UU, why wouldn't it be? Hail Stall can be extremely hard to beat in good hands, and Hail Offense enjoys the benefit of Blizzard and Hail damage. But keep in mind that having Hail isn't an excuse to have a lot of Ice types, I see that mistake a lot.

Mar 31st, 2013, 10:53:08 AM	#190
RyujinSama Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 9	Mmm... Thanks for the heads up. Will try to see if I can get up a team with Hail...

Apr 1st, 2013, 7:50:41 PM	#191
Kaz Atrous Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 2	Hail seems quite a good option. Couldn't figure out how to stop a sub Walrein with my team!

Apr 4th, 2013, 9:24:54 PM	#192
moonbase Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 89 Caveland, Ohio	Is it frowned upon if you use a scarfer on a team with offensive TR cofagrigus?

Apr 8th, 2013, 7:27:10 PM	#195
jmorris Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 42 Waikato, New Zealand	Is there anything major that Choice Scarf Flygon out speeds that a Choice Band variant can't? Assuming they both have the same nature (Jolly/Adamant). Thanks a lot.

Apr 8th, 2013, 8:27:13 PM	#198
jmorris Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 42 Waikato, New Zealand	My bad guys, thanks for the answers anyway. I've got a Scarfed Flygon on one of my teams, I was just wondering If I could swap its item and use a different scarfer in its place.

Apr 8th, 2013, 8:45:42 PM	#199
moonbase Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 89 Caveland, Ohio	What is an offensive core that has scarfed mienshao?

Apr 8th, 2013, 8:48:19 PM	#200
PTJon7 Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 318	A good partner for Mienshao would be CB Snorlax, as it can trap and kill a lot of the things that wall Mienshao (ghosts and psychics) with Pursuit. Snorlax is also just an all around awesome member to most teams.