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SaveMeJebus · Dec 2nd, 2012, 2:33:34 AM

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 124 HP /252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 128 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin

This is the set I use to out speed 167 Spd Jellicant. What do you guys think about investing speed evs on Donphan?

~~Frog~~ · Dec 19th, 2012, 10:11:45 PM

Evs:
108 Defense with 252 HP and salac terrakion never OHKOes at +2 with rocks

So try 252/148/108 (adamant)

**Arcticblast** · Dec 19th, 2012, 10:20:19 PM

Defensive already got mostly shot down; I don't want to start a ruckus. I might mention it somewhere.

Still working on this.

youngjake93 · Dec 20th, 2012, 2:38:03 PM

Forretress has nothing on offensive Donphan at all(or defensive for that matter)... Donphan can rapid spin away anything it lays, is immune to volt switch, takes like 2% damage from gyro ball, relay SR, and do wayyy more than enough damage for Forretress to give up and switch out.
I would love if a Forretress tried to check my Donphan, gets rid of their spinner, hazard layer, and dragon check all in one go. If anything, Donphan is a counter to Forretress.

**Arcticblast** · Dec 21st, 2012, 4:42:39 PM

Donphan and Forretress actually sort of counter each other. Neither manages to do much more than 30% (Forretress HP Ice versus max attack Donphan Earthquake) and both can switch out to something that doesn't mind taking a hit - think Cloyster, Latias and Rotom-W, all three of which pose a significant threat to both Pokemon.

yee · Jan 7th, 2013, 6:46:06 AM

Please don't oversell- or even sell Donphan in the overview. There is currently a plague of new users putting it in their teams thinking it's a good choice but all of the many times I have seen it in recent memory it was a clearly inferior choice to a different spinner + revamped team or just no spinner + revamped team. On it's best day, it will be a decent choice on a sun team, to this date I have never seen a different spot on a team it deserved over the other options available. Donphan is one of the many pokemon that is OU only because the playerbase on the ladder isn't well-informed enough to make the best choice, and it would make my day if we stopped misinforming them ASAP.

Neliel · Jan 7th, 2013, 8:50:32 AM

im not sure if its already listed but i think custab berry can be mentioned as an optional item, thanks to sturdy it can be somewhat usefull in some situations

**PK Gaming** · Feb 26th, 2013, 6:43:53 PM

Moving to L&O

Dec 19th, 2012, 10:20:19 PM	#28
Arcticblast is going goat Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,000 #serperiors Mentor	Defensive already got mostly shot down; I don't want to start a ruckus. I might mention it somewhere. Still working on this. __________________ New to Smogon? Afraid to jump into discussion? Introduce yourself! ------------------- Fail Cup \| Scramble! \| RMTs: Night Stall (OU) \| ARcTicblast \| Demon Spawn \| signature art by Zracknel additional credit to Pocket and AccidentalGreed

Dec 20th, 2012, 2:38:03 PM	#29
youngjake93 Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 291	Forretress has nothing on offensive Donphan at all(or defensive for that matter)... Donphan can rapid spin away anything it lays, is immune to volt switch, takes like 2% damage from gyro ball, relay SR, and do wayyy more than enough damage for Forretress to give up and switch out. I would love if a Forretress tried to check my Donphan, gets rid of their spinner, hazard layer, and dragon check all in one go. If anything, Donphan is a counter to Forretress. __________________ http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3475016 Rate My Team?

Dec 21st, 2012, 4:42:39 PM	#30
Arcticblast is going goat Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,000 #serperiors Mentor	Donphan and Forretress actually sort of counter each other. Neither manages to do much more than 30% (Forretress HP Ice versus max attack Donphan Earthquake) and both can switch out to something that doesn't mind taking a hit - think Cloyster, Latias and Rotom-W, all three of which pose a significant threat to both Pokemon. __________________ New to Smogon? Afraid to jump into discussion? Introduce yourself! ------------------- Fail Cup \| Scramble! \| RMTs: Night Stall (OU) \| ARcTicblast \| Demon Spawn \| signature art by Zracknel additional credit to Pocket and AccidentalGreed

Feb 26th, 2013, 6:43:53 PM	#33
PK Gaming Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,562 Sumuru city	Moving to L&O __________________

Dec 2nd, 2012, 2:33:34 AM	#26
SaveMeJebus Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 13	Donphan (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 124 HP /252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 128 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Ice Shard - Stealth Rock - Rapid Spin This is the set I use to out speed 167 Spd Jellicant. What do you guys think about investing speed evs on Donphan?

Dec 19th, 2012, 10:11:45 PM	#27
~~Frog~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 94	Evs: 108 Defense with 252 HP and salac terrakion never OHKOes at +2 with rocks So try 252/148/108 (adamant)

Jan 7th, 2013, 6:46:06 AM	#31
yee Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,044	Please don't oversell- or even sell Donphan in the overview. There is currently a plague of new users putting it in their teams thinking it's a good choice but all of the many times I have seen it in recent memory it was a clearly inferior choice to a different spinner + revamped team or just no spinner + revamped team. On it's best day, it will be a decent choice on a sun team, to this date I have never seen a different spot on a team it deserved over the other options available. Donphan is one of the many pokemon that is OU only because the playerbase on the ladder isn't well-informed enough to make the best choice, and it would make my day if we stopped misinforming them ASAP.

Jan 7th, 2013, 8:50:32 AM	#32
Neliel Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 527 Mentor	im not sure if its already listed but i think custab berry can be mentioned as an optional item, thanks to sturdy it can be somewhat usefull in some situations