(Ubers) The Power of Big Birds, Kacaw Style! - Page 2

**trickroom** · Feb 27th, 2013, 2:50:14 AM

Nah, Shaymin-S prevents Groudon and Deoxys-S from setting up Stealth Rock. If you are new to ubers, do try to explore a bit first. Dialga is Taunted by Skarmory. Stealth Rock will go up guaranteed if they predict right, and its all down to prediction. Who says Kyogre is faster than Giratina and Ho-Oh? They speed tie and it depends on what spread it is using. Standard bulky Specs is slower than both.

Thank you for your opinion.

scary face · Feb 27th, 2013, 5:20:50 AM

Will do. Hilarious RMT, hilarious team concept, hilarious battles

Melee Mewtwo · Feb 27th, 2013, 11:24:47 AM

One concern I have is Bulky SDSub Excadrill. It'll have no problem spinning as it can setup on Giratina's DTails forcing you to lock yourself into a confusion inducing Outrage while it continues to sub spam. It also has an annoying flying resist typing and can even tank Archeops EQ if it's healthy enough.

It's pretty niche and very underused but Sableye can also be a nuisance to the birds. Prankster Taunt will annoy Skarm and sleeping Tina while WoW will cripple everybody except Shaymin and Ho-Oh. (who risks a OHKO from Foul Play if you don't stop SR from going up)

Outside of those guys (who aren't very common) just random Scarfmons spamming Ice Beam like Genesect can be annoying if SR gets up.

Still lovin' the team *Luvdisc*

**trickroom** · Feb 27th, 2013, 11:29:23 AM

Yeah I have to agree Excadrill is really annoying by spinning away hazards and it can even setup Stealth Rock. I can use Roar over Outrage but Outrage is needed to hit them hard especially for killing Arceus.

As for Sableye, someone will probably get burned and die, but Shaymin-S can KO it with Leaf Storm or Seed Flare. If Stealth Rock is up, it is really annoying but Sableye isn't the most common thing around so I will just live with that weakness.

Scarf Genesect will probably KO someone especially with a Special Attack boost. I have to keep Ho-Oh healthy for that or use Shaymin-S to flinch it. Hazards have to be up to weaken Genesect for Honchkrow can kill it with Sucker Punch.

Thanks for the rate and luvdisc, really appreciate it.

Rord64 · Feb 27th, 2013, 12:01:41 PM

I watched my buddy fight this team last night, very surprising strategy I must say!

blobzzz · Feb 27th, 2013, 1:01:18 PM

Actually Specsogre runs no more than 4 speed evs meaning that both Ho-oH and Giratina-O out speed it. Scarfogre really doesn't hit so hard outside of stabs compared to specs and looses to Shaymin and Honchkrow as the loss in bulk is pretty noticable.

Knuckstrike · Feb 27th, 2013, 2:04:20 PM

Just battled this team on PS, I liked battling against it.

I was very lucky with the team match-up as I was using a sandstorm team with Arceus-rock. I walked over it with just one calm mind up. Skymin did 33% to my Arceus-rock with seed flare after A-R got one calm mind up. It would 2HKO with specs.

But meh, this was probably because the guy I battled against couldn't predict anything.

First <3 anyway.

ScoobyDoom · Feb 27th, 2013, 6:39:32 PM

ur team is stealth rock weak so i recomend a spinner maybe tentacruel but i was also thinking forratress

Trinitrotoluene · Feb 27th, 2013, 8:36:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ScoobyDoom

ur team is stealth rock weak so i recomend a spinner maybe tentacruel but i was also thinking forratress

I don't think trickroom will implement this change since it doesn't match his overall theme.

**Tobes** · Feb 27th, 2013, 8:41:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat blobzzz

Actually Specsogre runs no more than 4 speed evs meaning that both Ho-oH and Giratina-O out speed it.

Not true. Any competent Ubers player uses some amount of Speed creep on their base 90s.

**trickroom** · Feb 28th, 2013, 3:46:26 AM

I am sorry ScoobyDoom, Tentacruel isn't a bird and Forretress is just a little bagworm = food for birds. Also, both of those spinners never hit hard, and they are easily abused by strong attackers such as Dialga. Thanks.

I like to hear about suggestions but I won't change the team now. Yeah most players use Speed Creep which is why I creep-ed up Ho-Oh and Giratina-O as well.

jonathanrp · Feb 28th, 2013, 4:17:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat ScoobyDoom

ur team is stealth rock weak so i recomend a spinner maybe tentacruel but i was also thinking forratress

only spinner that would fit the team is KACAW DELIBIRD

and trickroom has said multiple times on irc that he's not using it

Beyonddabinary · Feb 28th, 2013, 12:38:58 PM

Is scarfed Skymin with a Modest nature usable instead of Jolly? What does Jolly Skymin outspeed that Modest Skymin doesn't?

Haruno · Feb 28th, 2013, 1:07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Beyonddabinary

Is scarfed Skymin with a Modest nature usable instead of Jolly? What does Jolly Skymin outspeed that Modest Skymin doesn't?

Deo-s I believe. He values that 58% of stopping deo-S from setting up hazards quite alot.

Beyonddabinary · Feb 28th, 2013, 1:51:41 PM

But if that's the case, then a Timid nature would be superfluous. Skymin with a neutral nature and max investment has 353 Speed ; with the 1.5x boost from a Scarf it has 529 Speed. That's already more than enough to outspeed Deo-S, whose max Speed is 504 Speed. It's not like Timid Skymin could outspeed a scarfed Deo-s or something :P

ScoobyDoom · Feb 28th, 2013, 6:09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat trickroom

I am sorry ScoobyDoom, Tentacruel isn't a bird and Forretress is just a little bagworm = food for birds. Also, both of those spinners never hit hard, and they are easily abused by strong attackers such as Dialga. Thanks.

I like to hear about suggestions but I won't change the team now. Yeah most players use Speed Creep which is why I creep-ed up Ho-Oh and Giratina-O as well.

giratina is not a bird either

lousy918 · Feb 28th, 2013, 8:54:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Beyonddabinary

But if that's the case, then a Timid nature would be superfluous. Skymin with a neutral nature and max investment has 353 Speed ; with the 1.5x boost from a Scarf it has 529 Speed. That's already more than enough to outspeed Deo-S, whose max Speed is 504 Speed. It's not like Timid Skymin could outspeed a scarfed Deo-s or something :P

allows skymin to outspeed scarfed darkrai, kingdra, excadrill, and jolly kabutops

**trickroom** · Feb 28th, 2013, 10:13:14 PM

Giratina is a bird brain, I wrote in the RMT, and I already put it is a trump card.
Also, Giratina will be a bird in the next life. It has wings, Levitates above the ground and is strong.

Tentacruel and Forretress? Weak, takes damage from Spikes, and no wings, feathers or anything.

Modest Scarf Shaymin is usable but you will lose out on +2 max Speed Adamant Rock Polish Groudon, Timid Scarf Darkrai, max Speed neutral/+ nature Kingdra, and the rest mentioned earlier. It also helps to beat out opposing Scarf Shaymin-S and the rare Modest Scarf Mewtwo.

ScoobyDoom · Feb 28th, 2013, 11:15:04 PM

forratress is a bird within its shell so it too is a bird so ye i say use forratress because u need a spinner and your team really neads a spinner since like over half of your team is weak to SR. JS

**trickroom** · Mar 1st, 2013, 1:10:34 AM

NO, Forretress is not a bird because
1) It can't fly
2) It takes damage from Spikes
3) It's slow
4) It doesn't hit hard
5) No feathers and can't learn flying moves
5) Stop arguing its a bird because it does not fit in this team

Every team has weaknesses and Stealth Rock weak can be stopped when predicted right. Also, who do you suggest to replace with Forry who doesn't even look like a bird inside, it is a blackhole. No more suggesting non-birds, not replacing anyone else but possibly Giratina-O who is mandatory. There are all birds, no more bagworms or jellyfish please.

Donkey · Mar 1st, 2013, 3:11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ScoobyDoom

forratress is a bird within its shell so it too is a bird so ye i say use forratress because u need a spinner and your team really neads a spinner since like over half of your team is weak to SR. JS

I am convinced

jonathanrp · Mar 1st, 2013, 3:15:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ScoobyDoom

forratress is a bird within its shell so it too is a bird so ye i say use forratress because u need a spinner and your team really neads a spinner since like over half of your team is weak to SR. JS

Bizarro think this argument is perfectly rational and sane

~~blitzlefan~~ · Mar 1st, 2013, 7:21:43 PM

First, ^^^^ I am convinced! XD
Wow! This is a really cool team! I Luvdisc'd and am very eager to test in on PO! :)

Fireburn · Mar 1st, 2013, 7:31:10 PM

this team

This team is amazing and you should feel amazing. The only thing I could even think of to make this team better would be to maybe try U-turn on Archeops over Rock Slide to help with keeping momentum against things like Forretress, Ferro, and enemy Skarm as well as Groudon. Other that, I really have nothing lol.

Incredible team.

**trickroom** · Mar 2nd, 2013, 1:37:49 AM

Wow that is a really buff bird you got there Fireburn :)

I tried U-turn on Archeops but sadly with Defeatist and SR out, he just can't abuse it well. Also, I tried to just hit everything hard once in, and sadly Archeops always misses its Head Smash :[ It can be suicidal sometimes trying to Head Smash a full health Ho-Oh lol.

I actually don't mind Forretress, Ferro and Skarm because Spikes does nothing to this team LOL :) Well Groudon is an issue but he will usually get up Stealth Rock when predicted right and Archeops doesn't live long enough to use it effectively.

That's a good rate Fireburn :) Thanks.

About adding Forretress, it's surprising most people agree that inside Forretress, it has a bird, well maybe its a male Forry or something but I just can't add it in because every bird is needed.

Feb 27th, 2013, 5:20:50 AM	#27
scary face Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 8	Will do. Hilarious RMT, hilarious team concept, hilarious battles __________________ Peaks: (16:57:34) ±Porygon: Your rank in Wifi NU is 12/4133 [1331 points / 63 battles]! (15:50:27) ±Porygon: Your rank in Wifi OU is 430/106322 [1405 points / 103 battles]

Feb 27th, 2013, 12:01:41 PM	#30
Rord64 Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 9 Ontario, Canada	I watched my buddy fight this team last night, very surprising strategy I must say! __________________ Since '92

Feb 27th, 2013, 2:04:20 PM	#32
Knuckstrike Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2 the Netherlands	You can input titles? Cewl Just battled this team on PS, I liked battling against it. I was very lucky with the team match-up as I was using a sandstorm team with Arceus-rock. I walked over it with just one calm mind up. Skymin did 33% to my Arceus-rock with seed flare after A-R got one calm mind up. It would 2HKO with specs. But meh, this was probably because the guy I battled against couldn't predict anything. First <3 anyway. __________________ I loved Ninetales before it had Drought. PS username: "FIREEEEE" (I know my usernames suck.)

Feb 28th, 2013, 12:38:58 PM	#38
Beyonddabinary Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 3	Is scarfed Skymin with a Modest nature usable instead of Jolly? What does Jolly Skymin outspeed that Modest Skymin doesn't? __________________ @Tobes: yes I loved twilight

Feb 28th, 2013, 1:51:41 PM	#40
Beyonddabinary Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 3	But if that's the case, then a Timid nature would be superfluous. Skymin with a neutral nature and max investment has 353 Speed ; with the 1.5x boost from a Scarf it has 529 Speed. That's already more than enough to outspeed Deo-S, whose max Speed is 504 Speed. It's not like Timid Skymin could outspeed a scarfed Deo-s or something :P __________________ @Tobes: yes I loved twilight

View Poll Results: Which is the Best BIRD?
Skarmory	37	15.35%
Archeops	40	16.60%
Ho-Oh	91	37.76%
Honchkrow	68	28.22%
Shaymin-S	36	14.94%
Giratina-O	32	13.28%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 241. You may not vote on this poll

Feb 27th, 2013, 1:01:18 PM	#31
blobzzz Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 31	Actually Specsogre runs no more than 4 speed evs meaning that both Ho-oH and Giratina-O out speed it. Scarfogre really doesn't hit so hard outside of stabs compared to specs and looses to Shaymin and Honchkrow as the loss in bulk is pretty noticable.

Feb 27th, 2013, 6:39:32 PM	#33
ScoobyDoom Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 25 noneya	ur team is stealth rock weak so i recomend a spinner maybe tentacruel but i was also thinking forratress

Feb 28th, 2013, 11:15:04 PM	#44
ScoobyDoom Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 25 noneya	forratress is a bird within its shell so it too is a bird so ye i say use forratress because u need a spinner and your team really neads a spinner since like over half of your team is weak to SR. JS

Mar 1st, 2013, 7:21:43 PM	#48
~~blitzlefan~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 549 Texas	First, ^^^^ I am convinced! XD Wow! This is a really cool team! I Luvdisc'd and am very eager to test in on PO! :)