(VGC) My First VGC(Smogon) Rate My Team

dinodino56 · Mar 3rd, 2013, 2:14:07 PM

There Has Been Some Changes

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See Battle Videos At Bottom

I have been lurking on the forums for a while,looking at different people teams and how they used them.I heard of vgc and decided to try out.I first had to look up what vgc was and found out it was double battles.So being stupid i went on pokemon showdown made a team of pokemon i liked and lost badly.After a large amounts of beatings i decided to look up more about vgc and present my very own decent team.I call it *1st For Royal*.

First look at Royalty

Here are each pokemon and their place on the team

*King* (Tyranitar) (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Rock Slide
- Crunch
- Protect
- Low Kick
-Rock Slide

Tyranitar(King) is one of the last pokemon i added to my team.After facing a chandelure i know it would come in handy.It takes out chandelure easily .I ran a pretty standard EV set nothing out of the normal.Oh and of sand stream helps control weather teams (Rain).I really don't want to replace tyranitar with all the help it has brought to my team.I added 0 speed ivs so i can play in trick room without being at a huge disadvantage.

*Queen* (Cresselia) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 200 SAtk / 4 SDef / 52 Spd
Modest Nature
- Psychic
- Icy Wind
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Swagger

I ran more of a offensive Cresselia.Wtih all of the dragons running around i put in Icy Wind.Icy wind wont kill the dragon, but it would made them way slower for my other pokemon to outspeed and kill.I also have Hidden Power [Fire] for scizor, metagross, and steel type in general.I have Psychic for hitmontops and other fighting types.So on Cress i took out Helping Hand for a more helpful move called Swagger.With the addition of Metagross maybe Swagger becomes a huge help in letting Metagross get the attack boost and sweep.Also it helps me find away to win when i feel like i am trapped because once they hit their self it can just change the tide of the game in an instance.

*Prince* (Hitmontop) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Mach Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Fake Out
- Detect

Yes everyone i run Technician Top.With the increase of Intimidate Top no one expect Technician.It helps to have a fairly strong fake out, that can severly hurt frail pokemon.Also Fake out into and Mach punch can take out some pokemon pretty easily.Sucker punch is for latios and ghost types.Who try to hurt my team.Also by now you have noticed my hitmontop has max speed.I really just threw max speed on there and it is working pretty nicely.I am able to outspeed a lot of pokemon.The Life Orb attack boost is also nice to have.Hitmontop is a pokemon i don't want to replace it.It works great with Porygon-z i just Fake out and Tri Attack, and then into a Mach Punch or Sucker punch, with Tri Attack.

*Chibi* (Metagross) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Ice Punch
- Protect

I am really thinking about adding Metagross it gets the job done when i needed to.I don't run Bullet Punch because i needed the extra coverage,so i ran Ice Punch instead.I run Meteor Mash ,but sometimes that miss can be annoying ,but its something i am going to have to live with.Zen Headbutt is a good way to kill all the fighting type Pokemons in VGC and it has STAB.Protect is just Protect it helps me plan out my attacks, and get rid of threats at specific times.

*Princess* (Rotom-Mow) @ Yache Berry
Trait: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect

I am really happy i added this to my team.Volcarona was good in taking out pokemon with the TopMoth Combo ,but it just added to my Rain Team weakness.With the addition of Rotom-Mow Rain Teams have been a piece of cake.I alot of pokemon carry Ice Beam that is why i have Yache Berry and maxed out my EVs in SDef and HP.Electric attacks do almost nothing and Water attacks do some damage.Thunderbolt is when i want to hit those Water types without losing special attack.Leaf Storm is when i want to kill the Water types in an instance but, also so i don't get stopped by ground types.I am using Hidden Power [Fire] because i noticed my team needed something to be able to hit steel types for super effective damage.My favorite of all is Protect so i can play around my opponents.

*Beast* (Gyarados) @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 84 SDef / 172 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Waterfall
- Ice fang
- Taunt
- Protect

Gyrados is a great pokemon on my team.Waterfall is for some STAB damage.Taunt is for trick room,spore users, and setup sweepers.Body Slam is great for some damage and paralyze support.Protect is keep myself away from those thunderbolt users until they are dead.I run a Jolly nature with 172 Spd is because with this set i can outspeed and Taunt Breloom before it can use Spore.I put rest in SDef because it give me like a 60% chance to live a Dragon Gem boosted Draco Meteor from Latios
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Oyster · Mar 3rd, 2013, 9:51:47 PM

I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that even with Tyranitar there to counter opposing weathers, you are somewhat weak to rain teams. Tyranitar and Volcarona both fall easily to Surf/Muddy Water/Hydro Pump/Scald, and most rain teams will have a Thunder abuser which can decimate Gyarados. To counter rain more effectively, you might want to try giving Gastrodon or a grass type like Breloom a look. I'm not experienced enough to say which team member of yours should be replaced to make room for it, though.

dinodino56 · Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:02:35 PM

i was thinking of that when i faced a rain team.Gave me a lot of trouble i think i should take out ttar for breloom but i should test it out because ttar gives some weather control and gets rid of chandelure, Ty for the rate though:)

M. Rock · Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:41:57 PM

Just really quick, you should run an Adamant Nature on Hitmontop to get more power, with an EV spread of 240 HP/252 Atk/12 Spe (that last one is a speed creep, he will be faster by common 4 Spe Adamant Hitmontops by one stat point).

dinodino56 · Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:52:48 PM

Ty for the info.I really just randomly put a EV set.Now i have a set that actually helps.
Ty alot

hathater · Mar 7th, 2013, 11:06:23 PM

Instead of porygon z, use porygon2 with eviolite, much more bulkier and decent special attack.

tlyee61 · Mar 8th, 2013, 12:21:18 AM

try virizion over top / pory-z. it serves as a great rain counter. also, some of your spreads are inefficient. for example, 236 hp on top and 236 spdef on gyara give the same stat point. you can add the rest into another stat. you might also want a bulkier spread to use calm mind on cress.

JimmyTheKid · Mar 9th, 2013, 3:06:56 AM

Saw the nicknames and remembered battling you so I gotta chip in:)

Offensive Cress is pretty inferior to a defensive one (I tried it) because, as I've learned, a helping hand-boosted spread move (such as rock slide on Tyranitar) will deal more total damage than a Rock Slide+ *insert Cresselia attack here* most of the time, even with SE damage (and potential surprise value), plus you miss out on all the other nice stuffs Cress brings to the table (especially when you consider that Light Screen would give you an easier time with Rain teams).

With Trick/Scarf on Porygon-Z, it's a decent disabling technique, but unless that thing is running spread moves (the only one I can think of is maybe Discharge, which doesn't get STAB) being Scarf-locked really sucks sometimes if you can't immediately Trick. It also only nails one foe, and loses all surprise value if they Protect.

And with Quiver Dance on Volcarona: It is a powerful force when set up, but without Rage Powder/Follow Me or other support, you might lose Volcarona before it does you any good. In fact, you can even run Rage Powder on Volcarona itself w/ a Sash and sacrifice it if you reaaaally need your other poke to live through it's next move.

dinodino56 · Mar 9th, 2013, 2:23:04 PM

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Instead of porygon z, use porygon2 with eviolite, much more bulkier and decent special attack.

I really don't want to use porygon2 slower than a lot of pokemon and may be bulkier but, it speed really doesn't fit in with my team

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try virizion over top / pory-z. it serves as a great rain counter. also, some of your spreads are inefficient. for example, 236 hp on top and 236 spdef on gyara give the same stat point. you can add the rest into another stat. you might also want a bulkier spread to use calm mind on cress.

Ty for the rate and thanks for the help on the ev spreads.If i really don't want to replace porygon or hitmontop they really help with the offense on part of my team.Through i really understand why i should add virizion or a grass type but, i really don't know which pokemon i should replace

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Saw the nicknames and remembered battling you so I gotta chip in:)

Offensive Cress is pretty inferior to a defensive one (I tried it) because, as I've learned, a helping hand-boosted spread move (such as rock slide on Tyranitar) will deal more total damage than a Rock Slide+ *insert Cresselia attack here* most of the time, even with SE damage (and potential surprise value), plus you miss out on all the other nice stuffs Cress brings to the table (especially when you consider that Light Screen would give you an easier time with Rain teams).

With Trick/Scarf on Porygon-Z, it's a decent disabling technique, but unless that thing is running spread moves (the only one I can think of is maybe Discharge, which doesn't get STAB) being Scarf-locked really sucks sometimes if you can't immediately Trick. It also only nails one foe, and loses all surprise value if they Protect.

And with Quiver Dance on Volcarona: It is a powerful force when set up, but without Rage Powder/Follow Me or other support, you might lose Volcarona before it does you any good. In fact, you can even run Rage Powder on Volcarona itself w/ a Sash and sacrifice it if you reaaaally need your other poke to live through it's next move.

Adding Rage power to volcarona might come and handy or adding follow me or rage powder to help it set up would help but, just by using fake out is enough to let it set up.It really does suck being locked into a attack but, trick does come in handy just look at the battle i posted it locked the opponents sableye into confuse ray also i rarely use ice beam and thundebolt because i am normally spamming tri attack, and it does a ton of damage to my opponents.Trick helps in some situations and tri attack is good enough for me.

hathater · Mar 9th, 2013, 9:09:21 PM

You should have faster pokemon, a terrakion is a big threat for your team, use an eviolite pokemon for your team anyways like rhydon

tlyee61 · Mar 10th, 2013, 12:32:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat dinodino56

Ty for the rate and thanks for the help on the ev spreads.If i really don't want to replace porygon or hitmontop they really help with the offense on part of my team.Through i really understand why i should add virizion or a grass type but, i really don't know which pokemon i should replace

I might try replacing top because it has poor synergy with virizion

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Originally Posted by Fat hathater

You should have faster pokemon, a terrakion is a big threat for your team, use an eviolite pokemon for your team anyways like rhydon

lolno, gyarados, hitmontop and cress all say hi :P

Knuckstrike · Mar 10th, 2013, 3:29:56 PM

I wouldn't add focus sash breloom as it seems pretty useless with tyranitar on your team. It might get you a spore in, but it'd die at the end of the turn anyway.

hathater · Mar 11th, 2013, 10:48:33 AM

Terracott combo will be a big threat because terrakion will ko everything on your team

Kyrehx · Mar 12th, 2013, 10:47:12 PM

I don't usually rate, I promised that I would after battling you, so here I am.

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Originally Posted by Fat hathater

Terracott combo will be a big threat because terrakion will ko everything on your team

Overall, I don't think this could be any further from the truth. While Terrakion can OHKO all of your Pokes after a 4 hit Beat Up and outspeeds your team, all of your Pokes can cripple or downright KO it while it tries to set up, and Hitmontop and Scizor also have SE priority, anyways.

Overall, the idea of adding Breloom is interesting and could really save you against rain teams. IMO, the best candidates to replace with Breloom are Scizor/Top, since Breloom also has access to a Mach Punch that, with Technician, is as powerful as Scizor's Bullet Punch and could fill the priority attacker role filled by either. Ultimately, you'd be sacrificing Scizor's resistances and coverage against Psychics and Latios or Hitmontop's utility in Fake Out for the ability to incapacitate something for most, if not all, of the match and better options against rain teams.

dinodino56 · Mar 12th, 2013, 10:58:46 PM

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Overall, I don't think this could be any further from the truth. While Terrakion can OHKO all of your Pokes after a 4 hit Beat Up and outspeeds your team, all of your Pokes can cripple or downright KO it while it tries to set up, and Hitmontop and Scizor also have SE priority, anyways.

Overall, the idea of adding Breloom is interesting and could really save you against rain teams. IMO, the best candidates to replace with Breloom are Scizor/Top, since Breloom also has access to a Mach Punch that, with Technician, is as powerful as Scizor's Bullet Punch and could fill the priority attacker role filled by either. Ultimately, you'd be sacrificing Scizor's resistances and coverage against Psychics and Latios or Hitmontop's utility in Fake Out for the ability to incapacitate something for most, if not all, of the match and better options against rain teams.

ty for the rate.I really like breloom ,but i don't think i need to add it now i have been beating rain teams left and right with the addition of rotom-m so i will just stick with that right now for my rain team counter could change if i feel like breloom could do a better job though.

Saxonaxe · Mar 12th, 2013, 11:55:00 PM

I'm not sure is you're still carrying Swords Dance on Scizor, but if you are I'd switch to Protect for added security. Also, even though it's minor, Detect on Hitmontop has less PP than protect would. Breloom sounds interesting, but he has a speed problem which allows him to get outsped by a lot of rain pokes and Ice Beamed.

hathater · Mar 14th, 2013, 12:52:33 PM

durant is a pokemon you can cosider with hustle or zweilous. but trick room is a threat your team is too fast to be in trick room and too slow to be in non trick room. Also, add amoonguss to your threat list with its bulk and acess to spore.

Mar 3rd, 2013, 2:14:07 PM	#1
dinodino56 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 15	My First VGC(Smogon) Rate My Team There Has Been Some Changes ... -Scizor replacing Porygon-Z -Adamant Nature to Brave Nature on Tyranitar -0Spd IV on Tyranitar -Helping Hand to Swagger on Cress -Lum Berry to Flying Gem on Scizor -Thunder Wave to Hidden Power [Fire] on Rotom-C -Careful to Jolly nature on Gyarados -Huge change in IVs on Gyarados -Replaced Scizor with Metagross See Battle Videos At Bottom I have been lurking on the forums for a while,looking at different people teams and how they used them.I heard of vgc and decided to try out.I first had to look up what vgc was and found out it was double battles.So being stupid i went on pokemon showdown made a team of pokemon i liked and lost badly.After a large amounts of beatings i decided to look up more about vgc and present my very own decent team.I call it 1st For Royal. First look at Royalty Here are each pokemon and their place on the team King (Tyranitar) (M) @ Focus Sash Trait: Sand Stream Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Brave Nature IVs: 0 Spd - Rock Slide - Crunch - Protect - Low Kick -Rock Slide Tyranitar(King) is one of the last pokemon i added to my team.After facing a chandelure i know it would come in handy.It takes out chandelure easily .I ran a pretty standard EV set nothing out of the normal.Oh and of sand stream helps control weather teams (Rain).I really don't want to replace tyranitar with all the help it has brought to my team.I added 0 speed ivs so i can play in trick room without being at a huge disadvantage. Queen (Cresselia) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Levitate Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 HP / 200 SAtk / 4 SDef / 52 Spd Modest Nature - Psychic - Icy Wind - Hidden Power [Fire] - Swagger I ran more of a offensive Cresselia.Wtih all of the dragons running around i put in Icy Wind.Icy wind wont kill the dragon, but it would made them way slower for my other pokemon to outspeed and kill.I also have Hidden Power [Fire] for scizor, metagross, and steel type in general.I have Psychic for hitmontops and other fighting types.So on Cress i took out Helping Hand for a more helpful move called Swagger.With the addition of Metagross maybe Swagger becomes a huge help in letting Metagross get the attack boost and sweep.Also it helps me find away to win when i feel like i am trapped because once they hit their self it can just change the tide of the game in an instance. Prince (Hitmontop) (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Technician Shiny: Yes EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spd Adamant Nature - Mach Punch - Sucker Punch - Fake Out - Detect Yes everyone i run Technician Top.With the increase of Intimidate Top no one expect Technician.It helps to have a fairly strong fake out, that can severly hurt frail pokemon.Also Fake out into and Mach punch can take out some pokemon pretty easily.Sucker punch is for latios and ghost types.Who try to hurt my team.Also by now you have noticed my hitmontop has max speed.I really just threw max speed on there and it is working pretty nicely.I am able to outspeed a lot of pokemon.The Life Orb attack boost is also nice to have.Hitmontop is a pokemon i don't want to replace it.It works great with Porygon-z i just Fake out and Tri Attack, and then into a Mach Punch or Sucker punch, with Tri Attack. Chibi (Metagross) @ Lum Berry Trait: Clear Body EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Adamant Nature - Meteor Mash - Zen Headbutt - Ice Punch - Protect I am really thinking about adding Metagross it gets the job done when i needed to.I don't run Bullet Punch because i needed the extra coverage,so i ran Ice Punch instead.I run Meteor Mash ,but sometimes that miss can be annoying ,but its something i am going to have to live with.Zen Headbutt is a good way to kill all the fighting type Pokemons in VGC and it has STAB.Protect is just Protect it helps me plan out my attacks, and get rid of threats at specific times. Princess (Rotom-Mow) @ Yache Berry Trait: Levitate Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk Calm Nature - Thunderbolt - Leaf Storm - Hidden Power [Fire] - Protect I am really happy i added this to my team.Volcarona was good in taking out pokemon with the TopMoth Combo ,but it just added to my Rain Team weakness.With the addition of Rotom-Mow Rain Teams have been a piece of cake.I alot of pokemon carry Ice Beam that is why i have Yache Berry and maxed out my EVs in SDef and HP.Electric attacks do almost nothing and Water attacks do some damage.Thunderbolt is when i want to hit those Water types without losing special attack.Leaf Storm is when i want to kill the Water types in an instance but, also so i don't get stopped by ground types.I am using Hidden Power [Fire] because i noticed my team needed something to be able to hit steel types for super effective damage.My favorite of all is Protect so i can play around my opponents. Beast (Gyarados) @ Sitrus Berry Trait: Intimidate EVs: 252 HP / 84 SDef / 172 Spd Jolly Nature - Waterfall - Ice fang - Taunt - Protect Gyrados is a great pokemon on my team.Waterfall is for some STAB damage.Taunt is for trick room,spore users, and setup sweepers.Body Slam is great for some damage and paralyze support.Protect is keep myself away from those thunderbolt users until they are dead.I run a Jolly nature with 172 Spd is because with this set i can outspeed and Taunt Breloom before it can use Spore.I put rest in SDef because it give me like a 60% chance to live a Dragon Gem boosted Draco Meteor from Latios Team Threats ... Sleep abusers-Sleep abuser annoy me to death.I used to use Gyarados taunt to stop them but, Breloom just ran right past him,and i need Ice Fang for coverage for him anyway.They really annoy my team to death with only killing them to take them out. Pokemon I May Add ... Past Members ... Chibi (Scizor) @ Flying Gem Trait: Technician EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Adamant Nature - Bullet Punch - Bug Bite - Protect - Acrobatics I sadly had to replace Porygon-Z he was one of my favorite pokemon ,but he couldn't just make the kills all the way.Now about Scizor.Scizor solves a lot of the problem this team has.The power of a steel gem Bullet Punch is really strong and after that i can fire of a extremely strong Acrobatics.Bug bite is for those dumb Cress(I realize some carry Hidden Power [Fire]),who try to get on my nerves.Swords Dance is a pretty nice boost that lets me kill a lot of pokemon Scizor normally couldn't kill.Might also use Protect their becuase it will benefit times i need Scizor protected. POKEMON BATTLES ... I really got haxed out at the end of this game-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11134726 Me playing a Trick Room Team-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11092413 The Vgc Gods Don't Like me at all-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev11137369 Me Playing A Rain Teamhttp://http://pokemonshowdown.com/re...013dev11289685 Vgc Tourney Final Round- http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev11508879 Me Trying out Virizion against a Rain Team-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11591640 Rematch Against Deathwreaker-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11607643 Playing against a Pretty well Built Rain Team-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11609377 One critical hit can hurt you opponent two is worse-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11698678 Weirdest team i have ever fought in the time i have played pokemon-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11700405 This is how you OWN Rain-Room-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11721511 Owning another rain team today(they are pretty easy now)-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11798005 Wow I tied in VGC-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11853593 A extremely close game-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11864217 They Hax me out i fight back stronger-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11883749 Ice Fang is not 10% Freeze chance-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11950918 Making my opponent think i am a easy Win-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev11962703 Lucky Crit game winning move-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...1969022http:// Three rounds of nothing from Cress-http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11969505 Plz Keep adding Feedback my team is getting better everytime you do __________________ Pokemon black friend code:5072 0081 6245 Come comment on My VGC Teamhttp://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3479973 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11092413 Last edited by dinodino56; Mar 17th, 2013 at 12:04:40 AM. Reason: wrong ivs

Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:02:35 PM	#3
dinodino56 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 15	i was thinking of that when i faced a rain team.Gave me a lot of trouble i think i should take out ttar for breloom but i should test it out because ttar gives some weather control and gets rid of chandelure, Ty for the rate though:) __________________ Pokemon black friend code:5072 0081 6245 Come comment on My VGC Teamhttp://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3479973 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11092413

Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:41:57 PM	#4
M. Rock Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 454	Just really quick, you should run an Adamant Nature on Hitmontop to get more power, with an EV spread of 240 HP/252 Atk/12 Spe (that last one is a speed creep, he will be faster by common 4 Spe Adamant Hitmontops by one stat point). __________________ My Art Thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...87#post4671787 † I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior and am proud of it! Copy and paste this if you are too.†

Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:52:48 PM	#5
dinodino56 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 15	Ty for the info.I really just randomly put a EV set.Now i have a set that actually helps. Ty alot __________________ Pokemon black friend code:5072 0081 6245 Come comment on My VGC Teamhttp://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3479973 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/do...013dev11092413

Mar 7th, 2013, 11:06:23 PM	#6
hathater Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 210 In the universe	Instead of porygon z, use porygon2 with eviolite, much more bulkier and decent special attack. __________________ you betta go to trc and refer me k? http://www.smogon.com/forums/group.php?groupid=1183

Mar 3rd, 2013, 9:51:47 PM	#2
Oyster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 109 Tar Heel State	I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that even with Tyranitar there to counter opposing weathers, you are somewhat weak to rain teams. Tyranitar and Volcarona both fall easily to Surf/Muddy Water/Hydro Pump/Scald, and most rain teams will have a Thunder abuser which can decimate Gyarados. To counter rain more effectively, you might want to try giving Gastrodon or a grass type like Breloom a look. I'm not experienced enough to say which team member of yours should be replaced to make room for it, though.

Mar 8th, 2013, 12:21:18 AM	#7
tlyee61 Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 316 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯	try virizion over top / pory-z. it serves as a great rain counter. also, some of your spreads are inefficient. for example, 236 hp on top and 236 spdef on gyara give the same stat point. you can add the rest into another stat. you might also want a bulkier spread to use calm mind on cress. __________________ Happy to give VGC team rates! PM me anytime and I'll rate as soon as I can. VGC 2013 San Jose: 2nd place Seniors Division

Mar 9th, 2013, 3:06:56 AM	#8
JimmyTheKid Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4 Here. :)	Saw the nicknames and remembered battling you so I gotta chip in:) Offensive Cress is pretty inferior to a defensive one (I tried it) because, as I've learned, a helping hand-boosted spread move (such as rock slide on Tyranitar) will deal more total damage than a Rock Slide+ insert Cresselia attack here most of the time, even with SE damage (and potential surprise value), plus you miss out on all the other nice stuffs Cress brings to the table (especially when you consider that Light Screen would give you an easier time with Rain teams). With Trick/Scarf on Porygon-Z, it's a decent disabling technique, but unless that thing is running spread moves (the only one I can think of is maybe Discharge, which doesn't get STAB) being Scarf-locked really sucks sometimes if you can't immediately Trick. It also only nails one foe, and loses all surprise value if they Protect. And with Quiver Dance on Volcarona: It is a powerful force when set up, but without Rage Powder/Follow Me or other support, you might lose Volcarona before it does you any good. In fact, you can even run Rage Powder on Volcarona itself w/ a Sash and sacrifice it if you reaaaally need your other poke to live through it's next move. __________________ Something about pokemon. Because signature. :) Last edited by JimmyTheKid; Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:08:34 AM. Reason: clarification

Mar 9th, 2013, 9:09:21 PM	#10
hathater Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 210 In the universe	You should have faster pokemon, a terrakion is a big threat for your team, use an eviolite pokemon for your team anyways like rhydon __________________ you betta go to trc and refer me k? http://www.smogon.com/forums/group.php?groupid=1183

Mar 10th, 2013, 3:29:56 PM	#12
Knuckstrike Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2 the Netherlands	I wouldn't add focus sash breloom as it seems pretty useless with tyranitar on your team. It might get you a spore in, but it'd die at the end of the turn anyway. __________________ I loved Ninetales before it had Drought. PS username: "FIREEEEE" (I know my usernames suck.)

Mar 11th, 2013, 10:48:33 AM	#13
hathater Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 210 In the universe	Terracott combo will be a big threat because terrakion will ko everything on your team __________________ you betta go to trc and refer me k? http://www.smogon.com/forums/group.php?groupid=1183

Mar 12th, 2013, 11:55:00 PM	#16
Saxonaxe Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2 Colorado Springs	I'm not sure is you're still carrying Swords Dance on Scizor, but if you are I'd switch to Protect for added security. Also, even though it's minor, Detect on Hitmontop has less PP than protect would. Breloom sounds interesting, but he has a speed problem which allows him to get outsped by a lot of rain pokes and Ice Beamed.

Mar 14th, 2013, 12:52:33 PM	#17
hathater Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 210 In the universe	durant is a pokemon you can cosider with hustle or zweilous. but trick room is a threat your team is too fast to be in trick room and too slow to be in non trick room. Also, add amoonguss to your threat list with its bulk and acess to spore. __________________ you betta go to trc and refer me k? http://www.smogon.com/forums/group.php?groupid=1183