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Electrolyte · Mar 1st, 2013, 10:40:24 PM

Ok so a friend of mine, user ShellShocker, and I did a test battle because he suspected that Imposter copied ivs- which, according to Smogon and Bulbapedia, it shouldn't. During this test, I used a team of 6 Dittos with imposter and 2 ivs in Speed. He used a team of 6 Brelooms, with 31 ivs in Speed. We battled. This is the log.

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/customgame10901191

So in the battle, my 2 ivs Ditto outspeed his 31 iv Breloom quite a few times- both while using priority and non priority moves.

I think this is enough evidence that there is a bug.

HabibsHotDogs · Mar 2nd, 2013, 1:19:01 AM

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles10911590

Turn 9, Marowak somehow outspeeds my Camerupt in trick room despite me having lower speed (76 vs 80 something).

Cost me the game :(:(:(:( that fawkin hypnosis ended up fking me over and camerupt fainted instantly..

***Zarel**** · Mar 2nd, 2013, 3:58:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Electrolyte

Ok so a friend of mine, user ShellShocker, and I did a test battle because he suspected that Imposter copied ivs- which, according to Smogon and Bulbapedia, it shouldn't. During this test, I used a team of 6 Dittos with imposter and 2 ivs in Speed. He used a team of 6 Brelooms, with 31 ivs in Speed. We battled. This is the log.

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/customgame10901191

So in the battle, my 2 ivs Ditto outspeed his 31 iv Breloom quite a few times- both while using priority and non priority moves.

I think this is enough evidence that there is a bug.

You'll notice neither the Smogondex and Bulbapedia are on the list of acceptable sources for accurate game mechanics. -_-'

The correct answer is that while IVs aren't directly copied, the stats after IVs are copied straight-up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat HabibsHotDogs

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles10911590

Turn 9, Marowak somehow outspeeds my Camerupt in trick room despite me having lower speed (76 vs 80 something).

Cost me the game :(:(:(:( that fawkin hypnosis ended up fking me over and camerupt fainted instantly..

Your IVs and Nature probably played a role.

ShellShocker · Mar 2nd, 2013, 4:50:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zarel

You'll notice neither the Smogondex and Bulbapedia are on the list of acceptable sources for accurate game mechanics. -_-'

lol

Quote:

The correct answer is that while IVs aren't directly copied, the stats after IVs are copied straight-up.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was like that but I couldn't express it properly.

HabibsHotDogs · Mar 2nd, 2013, 6:12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zarel

You'll notice neither the Smogondex and Bulbapedia are on the list of acceptable sources for accurate game mechanics. -_-'

The correct answer is that while IVs aren't directly copied, the stats after IVs are copied straight-up.

Your IVs and Nature probably played a role.

... 0 IV's and negative nature.. I had 76 speed he had 85. It's even in the replay (what we said to each other).

Treecko37 · Mar 2nd, 2013, 6:43:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SOEL

I understand that the FlashFire triggers always with a fire move, even if it doesn't have 100% acc. In a battle I failed 2 times Magma Storm in a FlashFire Arcanine and NO active his ability, a fire move can't fails against a FlashFire Pokémon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

KNOWN BUGS

- Special immunities like Flash Fire and Water Absorb check accuracy and can miss.

jpw234 · Mar 2nd, 2013, 11:06:55 AM

http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...battle10936421

Gabite got hit with Fake Out after one turn of Outrage, but was still locked into it afterwards. I think that's a bug - shouldn't Fake Out interrupt it like Protect?

EmblemLord · Mar 2nd, 2013, 2:47:48 PM

There appears to be a bug with Air Lock not cancelling the 50% damage buff during weather. I was just watching a match where a Choice Specs Reshiram was able to OHKO a 100% HP Rayquaza in the Sun. I double checked to make sure it was not a crit. No entry hazards were in place at the time.

According to damage calculations, this should not have been possible.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Reshiram Blue Flare vs. Naive 0 HP / 0- SpD Rayquaza: 236-278 (67.23 - 79.2%)

DoesntKnowHowToPlay · Mar 2nd, 2013, 9:05:08 PM

Looked around and couldn't find concise answers, asked Showdown chat and never got a response, so I'm putting this here:

Mental Herb does not fully block Encore- on the turn it is used the target is still forced to use the move they would have been locked into.

The game that prompted this: http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...oubles10974931 (may contain very bad plays)

The relevant turns are 4 and 5. On turn 4 Cresselia used Helping Hand, on turn 5 I attempted to have Cresselia use Psychic on Whimsicott (I wanted whimsicott dead in case it had giga drain) but was forced into Helping Hand despite Mental Herb's activation, which is obviously not what I selected as Helping Hand has +5 priority and would have gone before Encore. I was not actually Encored into the move- the Helping Hand use on turn 6 was intentional, and the other options were not greyed out.

...

I apologize if this is intended behavior. I looked and could not find the interaction documented anywhere beyond "it cures encore", and it is very unintuitive. I think it also *would* be mentioned somewhere if it was the case- Encoring a Trick Room user is a rather obvious use of the move, and one that you'd expect Mental Herb to stop. (At the same time though, I feel this would have been reported already by more serious VGC players...)

pokepoke · Mar 2nd, 2013, 9:36:51 PM

Struggle does no damage against a pokemon with wonderguard and a substitute. (its supposed to be a typeless attack and thus immune to wonderguard)

Manitary · Mar 2nd, 2013, 9:45:11 PM

Struggle still hits through wonderguard even if it's a typeless attack

Espeon7373 · Mar 3rd, 2013, 12:18:26 AM

So, in a random battle, after using Outrage I did not become confused. While the Altaria I was using was holding a Lum Berry, it did not show that it activated. I could still see that my Altaria was holding a Lum Berry throughout the rest of the battle. Here is the link: http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...battle10991006

Tombst0ne · Mar 3rd, 2013, 2:57:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Espeon7373

So, in a random battle, after using Outrage I did not become confused. While the Altaria I was using was holding a Lum Berry, it did not show that it activated. I could still see that my Altaria was holding a Lum Berry throughout the rest of the battle. Here is the link: http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...battle10991006

Pretty much the same thing happened to me. My Dragonite did not get post-outrage confusion. Like Espeon7373's case he had a lum berry, but had consumed it earlier in the match.

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11000464

The Chosen Eevee · Mar 3rd, 2013, 8:28:37 AM

I used outrage and it lasted for 4 turns without my pokemon being confused or, my opp pokemon using protect/detect. (Starts at turn 17) Please check this out. http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11010313

BahaWin · Mar 3rd, 2013, 8:42:04 AM

Lava plume no thrawed Heatran while on the originally game, scald and fire types attack thrawed the Pokemon.

Agent Of Sense · Mar 3rd, 2013, 3:47:32 PM

There is a bug where Outrage lasts longer than 3 turns without the confusion drawback. It has happened for me, where my Flygon keeps Outraging 3+ turns without getting confused. It has also happened against me, where MoxieMence has Outrage 3+ turns without confusion.
Perhaps there is something about Knocking out the defending pokemon that messes up Outrage's turn-timer? In the situations where it has happened, the pokemon getting hit by the Outrage has been knocked-out.
(Reminds me of the R/B/Y glitch of Hyper Beam not resulting in a turn of recharge when knocking out an opponent)

Styx29 · Mar 3rd, 2013, 5:49:36 PM

The same bug occured in my last battle. After putting asleep a foe, I made a wrong input and try to put asleep another foe but he began to do Outrage without interuption and without confusion after the "Sleep Clause" was activated. I asked the other player and he told me he could not choose another move just like after the classical first Outrage. you could review it here. it began turn 13-14

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11047517

Please debug that for the next time if you could find what's wrong ;-)

Captain Apollo · Mar 3rd, 2013, 6:11:47 PM

The Outrage bug happened to me too

...

Except 6 times and it could've kept going.

Scorpiopt · Mar 3rd, 2013, 6:14:49 PM

togekiss gets it super effectively by focus punch

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou11050908

also Coil does not improve zap cannon accuracy ( lost the replay unfortunately )

Espeon7373 · Mar 3rd, 2013, 6:32:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Scorpiopt

togekiss gets it super effectively by focus punch

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou11050908

also Coil does not improve zap cannon accuracy ( lost the replay unfortunately )

Your Togekiss used Roost, which gets rid of its Flying-type. As for Zap Cannon, it has 50% accuracy, so even with Coil there is a chance of it missing.

Scorpiopt · Mar 3rd, 2013, 7:02:49 PM

on original game i hardly miss zap cannon after the coil boost however in the simulator i miss a lot

MeteorMiss · Mar 3rd, 2013, 8:52:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Scorpiopt

on original game i hardly miss zap cannon after the coil boost however in the simulator i miss a lot

Even after a coil boost, Zap Cannon only has a 2/3 chance of hitting. The chances are the same as in the cartridge games; you're probably just getting unlucky.

nyczxjay · Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:40:27 PM

I think there is a bug with the move Outrage. I noticed today that sometimes my opponent is able to switch out/change moves before the user gets confused after 2 turns (i.e. there is no message stating that the pokemon's rampage has ended and is confused). This has caused me a decent amount of aggravation as it messed with the moves I made in several games. Can someone please look into it?

It's either a glitch where the Outrage user is able to change moves/switch out before the "rampage ends", or it's a bug that causes the "rampage ends" message to not show.

EDIT: I'll provide battle replay if it pops up again (I should've saved the last one...). It also seems that other people are having issues with Outrage as well.

speed ghilliesniper · Mar 3rd, 2013, 11:39:12 PM

Rather odd glitch I noticed a while ago that hasn't been fixed: the RU ladder doesn't decay. Proof is as follows.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3478376
This is the council page from January28th, I laddered hard and got an ok spot, I'm speedg sitting at 1842, #42 on the ladder.

...

And this is that same account from about a half hour ago. I'v used it sporadically after that first screen shot which is why the numbers are slightly different, but I haven't used it since the beginning of February at least so it should be decayed for sure. Just curious if this is just a glitch in this tier or if it's across all the ladders as all I really ladder in is RU. Any help on this would be appreciated, thanks.

Halcyon of Light · Mar 3rd, 2013, 11:42:50 PM

Yeah I had a problem with Outrage too. My opponent in this battle used Outage with Kyurem-B, used it for two turns, never got confused, nor did it say the rampage had ended, and then was able to Freeze Shock my Ferrothorn (which is how I know it wasn't Lum or anything). What's the deal with that?

Mar 1st, 2013, 10:40:24 PM	#1551
Electrolyte Cause you keep me coming back for more Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,044 And I feel a little better than I did before Mentor	Ok so a friend of mine, user ShellShocker, and I did a test battle because he suspected that Imposter copied ivs- which, according to Smogon and Bulbapedia, it shouldn't. During this test, I used a team of 6 Dittos with imposter and 2 ivs in Speed. He used a team of 6 Brelooms, with 31 ivs in Speed. We battled. This is the log. http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/customgame10901191 So in the battle, my 2 ivs Ditto outspeed his 31 iv Breloom quite a few times- both while using priority and non priority moves. I think this is enough evidence that there is a bug. __________________ Stuff (Click!): l l l l l l l l l VM me for an OU / LC team rate! MURKBRO MAFIA

Mar 2nd, 2013, 11:06:55 AM	#1557
jpw234 Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 53 Kansas City	http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...battle10936421 Gabite got hit with Fake Out after one turn of Outrage, but was still locked into it afterwards. I think that's a bug - shouldn't Fake Out interrupt it like Protect? __________________ OU RMTs Hail Stall

Mar 2nd, 2013, 9:05:08 PM	#1559
DoesntKnowHowToPlay Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 10	Looked around and couldn't find concise answers, asked Showdown chat and never got a response, so I'm putting this here: Mental Herb does not fully block Encore- on the turn it is used the target is still forced to use the move they would have been locked into. The game that prompted this: http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...oubles10974931 (may contain very bad plays) The relevant turns are 4 and 5. On turn 4 Cresselia used Helping Hand, on turn 5 I attempted to have Cresselia use Psychic on Whimsicott (I wanted whimsicott dead in case it had giga drain) but was forced into Helping Hand despite Mental Herb's activation, which is obviously not what I selected as Helping Hand has +5 priority and would have gone before Encore. I was not actually Encored into the move- the Helping Hand use on turn 6 was intentional, and the other options were not greyed out. ... Turn 4 scumbag8 withdrew Shaymin-Sky! scumbag8 sent out Whimsicott! Cresselia used Helping Hand! Cresselia is ready to help Tyranitar! Tyranitar used Rock Slide! [DEBUG] Boosting from Helping Hand. [DEBUG] Spread modifier: 0.75. The foe's Heracross lost 69% of its health! [DEBUG] Boosting from Helping Hand. [DEBUG] Spread modifier: 0.75. The foe's Whimsicott lost 42% of its health! The foe's Whimsicott held up its Red Card against Tyranitar! Gastrodon was dragged out! The foe's Heracross flinched! [DEBUG] p1: Heracross move interrupted; movedThisTurn: false. The sandstorm rages. [DEBUG] natural immunity. [DEBUG] weather immunity. Cresselia is buffeted by the sandstorm! The foe's Whimsicott is buffeted by the sandstorm! The foe's Heracross is buffeted by the sandstorm! Turn 5 The foe's Whimsicott used Encore! Cresselia received an encore! Cresselia used its Mental Herb to come back to its senses! Cresselia's encore ended! Cresselia used Helping Hand! Cresselia is ready to help Gastrodon! Gastrodon used Muddy Water! [DEBUG] Boosting from Helping Hand. [DEBUG] Spread modifier: 0.75. The foe's Heracross lost 25% of its health! [DEBUG] Boosting from Helping Hand. [DEBUG] Spread modifier: 0.75. It's not very effective... The foe's Whimsicott lost 29% of its health! The foe's Heracross fainted! The sandstorm rages. [DEBUG] natural immunity. [DEBUG] weather immunity. Cresselia is buffeted by the sandstorm! The foe's Whimsicott is buffeted by the sandstorm! Rad Surfing Eirin: excuse me scumbag8 sent out Darkrai! I apologize if this is intended behavior. I looked and could not find the interaction documented anywhere beyond "it cures encore", and it is very unintuitive. I think it also would be mentioned somewhere if it was the case- Encoring a Trick Room user is a rather obvious use of the move, and one that you'd expect Mental Herb to stop. (At the same time though, I feel this would have been reported already by more serious VGC players...)

Mar 2nd, 2013, 9:45:11 PM	#1561
Manitary Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 152 Italy	Struggle still hits through wonderguard even if it's a typeless attack __________________ A Smogon Doubles team need your help to improve...go here to check it! -- FR Scramble (Update group #1 - E4 beaten - E4 rematch beaten) B2 Random Nuzlocke (E4 beaten) B2 monotype Poison (E4 beaten)

Mar 3rd, 2013, 12:18:26 AM	#1562
Espeon7373 Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 25	lum berry bug? So, in a random battle, after using Outrage I did not become confused. While the Altaria I was using was holding a Lum Berry, it did not show that it activated. I could still see that my Altaria was holding a Lum Berry throughout the rest of the battle. Here is the link: http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...battle10991006 __________________ Yeah, I know it's an unoriginal username. Get over it :)

Mar 2nd, 2013, 1:19:01 AM	#1552
HabibsHotDogs Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 235	http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles10911590 Turn 9, Marowak somehow outspeeds my Camerupt in trick room despite me having lower speed (76 vs 80 something). Cost me the game :(:(:(:( that fawkin hypnosis ended up fking me over and camerupt fainted instantly..

Mar 2nd, 2013, 2:47:48 PM	#1558
EmblemLord Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 7	There appears to be a bug with Air Lock not cancelling the 50% damage buff during weather. I was just watching a match where a Choice Specs Reshiram was able to OHKO a 100% HP Rayquaza in the Sun. I double checked to make sure it was not a crit. No entry hazards were in place at the time. According to damage calculations, this should not have been possible. 252+ SpA Choice Specs Reshiram Blue Flare vs. Naive 0 HP / 0- SpD Rayquaza: 236-278 (67.23 - 79.2%)

Mar 2nd, 2013, 9:36:51 PM	#1560
pokepoke Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2	Struggle does no damage against a pokemon with wonderguard and a substitute. (its supposed to be a typeless attack and thus immune to wonderguard)

Mar 3rd, 2013, 8:28:37 AM	#1564
The Chosen Eevee Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2	4 turn outrage I used outrage and it lasted for 4 turns without my pokemon being confused or, my opp pokemon using protect/detect. (Starts at turn 17) Please check this out. http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11010313

Mar 3rd, 2013, 8:42:04 AM	#1565
BahaWin Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 13 France	Lava plume no thrawed Heatran while on the originally game, scald and fire types attack thrawed the Pokemon. __________________ ~ FRENCH PLAYER ~

Mar 3rd, 2013, 3:47:32 PM	#1566
Agent Of Sense Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2	There is a bug where Outrage lasts longer than 3 turns without the confusion drawback. It has happened for me, where my Flygon keeps Outraging 3+ turns without getting confused. It has also happened against me, where MoxieMence has Outrage 3+ turns without confusion. Perhaps there is something about Knocking out the defending pokemon that messes up Outrage's turn-timer? In the situations where it has happened, the pokemon getting hit by the Outrage has been knocked-out. (Reminds me of the R/B/Y glitch of Hyper Beam not resulting in a turn of recharge when knocking out an opponent) __________________ Black FC: 4127-4168-7618

Mar 3rd, 2013, 5:49:36 PM	#1567
Styx29 Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1	The same bug occured in my last battle. After putting asleep a foe, I made a wrong input and try to put asleep another foe but he began to do Outrage without interuption and without confusion after the "Sleep Clause" was activated. I asked the other player and he told me he could not choose another move just like after the classical first Outrage. you could review it here. it began turn 13-14 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11047517 Please debug that for the next time if you could find what's wrong ;-)

Mar 3rd, 2013, 6:11:47 PM	#1568
Captain Apollo Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 19 USA	The Outrage bug happened to me too ... Except 6 times and it could've kept going.

Mar 3rd, 2013, 6:14:49 PM	#1569
Scorpiopt Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 34	togekiss gets it super effectively by focus punch http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou11050908 also Coil does not improve zap cannon accuracy ( lost the replay unfortunately ) __________________ Don't take life too serious no one is getting out alive

Mar 3rd, 2013, 7:02:49 PM	#1571
Scorpiopt Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 34	on original game i hardly miss zap cannon after the coil boost however in the simulator i miss a lot __________________ Don't take life too serious no one is getting out alive

Mar 3rd, 2013, 10:40:27 PM	#1573
nyczxjay Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 394 New York City	I think there is a bug with the move Outrage. I noticed today that sometimes my opponent is able to switch out/change moves before the user gets confused after 2 turns (i.e. there is no message stating that the pokemon's rampage has ended and is confused). This has caused me a decent amount of aggravation as it messed with the moves I made in several games. Can someone please look into it? It's either a glitch where the Outrage user is able to change moves/switch out before the "rampage ends", or it's a bug that causes the "rampage ends" message to not show. EDIT: I'll provide battle replay if it pops up again (I should've saved the last one...). It also seems that other people are having issues with Outrage as well. __________________ PS Username: nyc_test Last edited by nyczxjay; Mar 3rd, 2013 at 11:12:51 PM.

Mar 3rd, 2013, 11:39:12 PM	#1574
speed ghilliesniper Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 95	Rather odd glitch I noticed a while ago that hasn't been fixed: the RU ladder doesn't decay. Proof is as follows. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3478376 This is the council page from January28th, I laddered hard and got an ok spot, I'm speedg sitting at 1842, #42 on the ladder. ... And this is that same account from about a half hour ago. I'v used it sporadically after that first screen shot which is why the numbers are slightly different, but I haven't used it since the beginning of February at least so it should be decayed for sure. Just curious if this is just a glitch in this tier or if it's across all the ladders as all I really ladder in is RU. Any help on this would be appreciated, thanks.

Mar 3rd, 2013, 11:42:50 PM	#1575
Halcyon of Light Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 292 Maine	Yeah I had a problem with Outrage too. My opponent in this battle used Outage with Kyurem-B, used it for two turns, never got confused, nor did it say the rampage had ended, and then was able to Freeze Shock my Ferrothorn (which is how I know it wasn't Lum or anything). What's the deal with that? __________________ Check out my RMT Empire starring Breloom and Lucario! PM or VM me for OU rates!