Pokémon X and Y Discussion - Page 264

lockon · Mar 7th, 2013, 6:31:42 PM

Mewtwo's alternate forme? ;-o

Preved Medved · Mar 7th, 2013, 6:39:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat cantab

As for Skarmory evo: replace the multiple wings with a single pair of delta wings, reduce the legs, lengthen the neck and streamline the head, and you end up with something reminiscent of a fighter jet.

like this?

cantab · Mar 7th, 2013, 6:42:07 PM

It would probably end up with some similarities to the Latis, yes.

Magistrum · Mar 7th, 2013, 6:44:09 PM

That video made almost made me believe that sylveon is flying type. Almost. The flowing ribbons, the eyes, and the overall atmosphere.

Also I hope Mewtwo won't go down on this the way Lucario did in his movie. Lucario's end is awesome and all, but I don't wanna see Mewtwo do that again. And don't get me started about Latios...

@PME we all want those leaks, you're not alone :)

clapyourhands · Mar 7th, 2013, 7:32:56 PM

Considering Mewtwo is in the new movie, does anyone see it returning in Super Smash Bros 4? It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch, since it's only competition is Lucario and Zoroak, the latter of which would most likely be a pain to implement due to its signature powers.

Also, like many others have mentioned, its reappearance make me think it will get a new signature move, or form, or even item.

~~blitzlefan~~ · Mar 7th, 2013, 7:40:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat clapyourhands

Considering Mewtwo is in the new movie, does anyone see it returning in Super Smash Bros 4? It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch, since it's only competition is Lucario and Zoroak, the latter of which would most likely be a pain to implement due to its signature powers.

Also, like many others have mentioned, its reappearance make me think it will get a new signature move, or form, or even item.

I'd really like for Lucario to stay in (I really loved this thing in Brawl), but if they made some differences between Mewtwo and Lucario (what's gonna be released!!!???) then it'd be pretty great.

Tetz23 · Mar 7th, 2013, 7:48:49 PM

Yes, Lucario in Brawl was beast. I just hope they make Riolu available in the wild and that early in the game, same as in BW2.

Xenol · Mar 7th, 2013, 7:55:21 PM

What I would like for Gamefreak to do is to expand on some stuff they introduced into Pokewood that could be epic for plot purposes.

For example, getting to pick your lines to respond in the middle of battle. Or scripted battles with different outcomes such as defeating the enemy within 10 turns gets outcome A while getting outcome B when defeating them more than 10 turns. This will add a breath of life to the main plot, maybe we could even get to change the plot slightly? Like redeeming the villain or maybe alternate endings.

**Mario With Lasers** · Mar 7th, 2013, 8:04:00 PM

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Well excuse me princess. Damn and crucify me for speculating.

Even with the discrepancies, you know just as little about the game as the rest of us, so any speculation is fair game. You can just choose whether to accept it or not.

Similar stats, movepool, same base stat total, version exclusives for Black 2 and White 2, same DW ability, both are based on beetles, they're obviously counterparts. You're telling me they're both going to get prevos yet only Pinsir gets the evo? Heracross' fighting subtype sets it and Pinsir eons apart, but they're still obviously counterparts. The only ones you listed that are even remotely counterparts are the Electabuzz and Magmar families, since it's been implied throughout the generations. Version exclusives, similar abilities, both receive Prevo and evolutions in the same generations, and the way you evolve them are practically the same. Jynx and Mr. Mime have nothing to do with them. Unless all humanoid Gen 1 Pokes are lumped together?

Um. Of course you can speculate. But huh, you talked as if they had to evolve Hera to evolve Pinsir, and surprise: they don't. That was the point of my post. As the OP states, speculation is fine as long as it's reasonable; as this is an forum open for discussion, if I find your speculation to be baseless, absurd, illogical or simply "unreasonable", I'm free to refute it, as I did.

There is zero reason to evolve Heracross only because they want to evolve Pinsir. Back in RBY, Scyther and Pinsir were counterparts, and yet they evolved one but not the other, which then became Heracross's counterpart. Banette needed an evolution a lot more than Dusclops, and lo an behold... Dusknoir. Dustox got the amazing Compoundeyes while Beautifly got the shittastic Rivalry (...do you seriously don't see them as counterparts?). Jynx, Electabuzz and Magmar formed a very clear trio and all three got pre-evos in GSC; however, Mr. Mime, a Psychic, more masculine, physically frail and with almost identical BST, didn't get it; Jynx-Mr.Mime isn't a really obvious duo, I admit, but it can be argued for (and that's what I'm doing here). Even if you disagree, they still didn't evolve Jynx even though they did so with the other two members of the original trio, in DPPt.

So yeah. They totally can give them both pre-evos and only evolve one of them. They have never specifically done that in the same generation, but they've shown many times they don't care about ~counterparts~. They will evolve or pre-evolve anything they see fit, anything they find a new design for, anything they "need" to pre-evolve for whatever reason. So yes, Pinsir could evolve but not Heracross. They never were on par competitively, in-game and "anything else"-wise, so they don't have to be now.

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Originally Posted by Fat PME

I thought we were allowed to discuss speculations, I guess I was wrong :/

Yes, yes you can. But SuperSmashBrawl didn't agree with you, found your speculation "wrong" (if you will) for whatever reason and posted his argument as to why it didn't make sense. That is perfectly fine. Just because it's ~speculation~, it doesn't make it immune to scrutinizing.

SmashBrosBrawl · Mar 7th, 2013, 8:22:31 PM

Has anyone though about a pre-evo link to Throh and Sawk? Theyre basically like the hitmons.

Flaming Piranha · Mar 7th, 2013, 8:33:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Has anyone though about a pre-evo link to Throh and Sawk? Theyre basically like the hitmons.

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inanimate blob · Mar 7th, 2013, 8:55:38 PM

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God, I love the adorable Ernie and Bert thing that we Americans have going for Throh and Sawk. I hope Game Freak has picked up on it.

Also, possible third evolution branch for the Sawkthroh-prevo? :3 Maybe yellow, and call it Keek. (prevo could be Pawnch or something)

Dia · Mar 7th, 2013, 8:59:38 PM

I'd be willing to accept Game Freak as a video game company instead of a bunch of trolls if they make alternative endings.

shockwave527 · Mar 7th, 2013, 9:02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Dia

I'd be willing to accept Game Freak as a video game company instead of a bunch of trolls if they make alternative endings.

I think it'd be kind of a waste on a main series game. I get that people play for different reasons (to catch 'em all, just to play the game, to beat the champion, to explore, to play competitively), but does anyone REALLY play for the story? In a main-series pokemon game?

cantab · Mar 7th, 2013, 9:37:17 PM

Emerald's story was standout in my view.

But I concur that I don't see the Pokemon games as particularly needing extra endings. The kid-friendly nature leaves little opportunity for dark bad endings, and the ultimate goal has always been the same: beat the Champion. Add in that battles are basically sporting contests, so if you lose to the Champion you don't get a different ending because it's not the end, you can train up and have a rematch.

**R_N** · Mar 7th, 2013, 9:40:31 PM

Alternate endings only really make sense for games that encourage multiple playthroughs
Despite the fandom's like of restarting for challenge runs, the games always gave the feeling of play once and forever on that save file.

Bashfrog · Mar 7th, 2013, 9:45:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

I think it'd be kind of a waste on a main series game. I get that people play for different reasons (to catch 'em all, just to play the game, to beat the champion, to explore, to play competitively), but does anyone REALLY play for the story? In a main-series pokemon game?

Well, I actually enjoy the story and the dialogue. Not for phillosophical purposes like some rpg lovers, but just because it's enjoyable to go through a nice, lighthearted story in times when so many games have to be "serious". Come on, don't tell me you didn't laugh at least once throughout the entire b2w2 storyline? Or wanted at least one of the plotlines to have ended differently? I think alternate endings would be nice, so players could have "their ending". Actually, what does everyone thing the best ending for them would be?

Virtuous Vice · Mar 7th, 2013, 9:49:15 PM

I honestly can't wait to see these games and I really want there to be a light type. That would be so cool. Think about it, another way to rid the feild of dragons? Or something of the sort.

cantab · Mar 7th, 2013, 9:52:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Bashfrog

Come on, don't tell me you didn't laugh at least once throughout the entire b2w2 storyline?

Dunno about laughing, but I certainly went "WTF" when I realised Colress was male.

shockwave527 · Mar 7th, 2013, 10:01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Bashfrog

Well, I actually enjoy the story and the dialogue. Not for phillosophical purposes like some rpg lovers, but just because it's enjoyable to go through a nice, lighthearted story in times when so many games have to be "serious". Come on, don't tell me you didn't laugh at least once throughout the entire b2w2 storyline? Or wanted at least one of the plotlines to have ended differently? I think alternate endings would be nice, so players could have "their ending". Actually, what does everyone thing the best ending for them would be?

I do enjoy the storyline. I liked BW and RSE, but again, I don't play it for the storyline. I like a story that takes a slight backseat to my adventure but is still there. I don't want any choices I make or ways I choose to battle to effect what happens in the game for a Main Series Pokemon.

Yveltal · Mar 8th, 2013, 12:38:27 AM

Give me a new primitive attribute that became outdated and an extinct type long before Gen 1. Primal/Wild/Relic-type.

IcyMan28 · Mar 8th, 2013, 3:02:40 AM

I wouldn't say there is very much evidence of Magmar/Electabuzz/Jynx being a trio. The only evidence is that they all got prevos in Gen 2. Gen 1 saw Magmar and Electabuzz as version exclusives and thus a duo; Jynx was not found in the wild whatsoever. Jynx is also the only dual type of the three, while other duos/trio tend to have the same number of typings (Clefairy/Jigglypuff, Arcanine/Ninetails, Gorebyss/Huntail, Beautifly/Dustox, Butterfree/Beedrill, Zangoose/Seviper, etc). There are exceptions but the point stands.

As for Jynx/Mr.Mime, I don't see where that idea stems from. Maybe because they can breed? Or maybe because Jynx is only female while we in America assume Mr. Mime is only male due to its dubbed name? I don't believe the original Japanese ascribes a specific gender to Mr. Mime in its name.

My point is, GF makes clear what they consider duos/trios, all else is up for debate. We KNOW Volbeat and Illumise are a duo. We KNOW Zangoose and Seviper are a duo. Rampardos and Bastiodon are another example. So unless we have clear evidence, claiming that something will or won't happen based on perceived or imagined patterns isn't great reasoning to support something.

-NLMRY- · Mar 8th, 2013, 4:24:45 AM

Personally, something I would like to see a monster based on would be

This,

a bioluminescent mushroom. Its type could be Grass/Electric; not that that's how it works but it fits stylistically, at least IMO. I'm also not sure about the merits of that type combination, but we have Rotom-M as a standard to judge that. Another interesting type combo for it could be Grass/Ghost as the green glow looks eerie and is the color used for ectoplasm in other fictional works. Perhaps a split Amoongus evo...

Flaming Piranha · Mar 8th, 2013, 5:31:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

Give me a new primitive attribute that became outdated and an extinct type long before Gen 1. Primal/Wild/Relic-type.

Sounds good in concept, but rock pretty much covers all those, apart from wild, and every pokemon not in a pokeball is wild.

Satisfaction · Mar 8th, 2013, 5:44:24 AM

Maybe have a savage ability that would prevent orders from being followed. The pokemon would be disagreeable until you have a close bond with it and effectively counter its ability. It would explain what they meant by bonds will play a larger role and if happiness can disable abilities like savage it can probably do the same for Slaking

Mar 7th, 2013, 6:42:07 PM	#6578
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	It would probably end up with some similarities to the Latis, yes. __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.

Mar 7th, 2013, 6:44:09 PM	#6579
Magistrum Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 172 Philippines	That video made almost made me believe that sylveon is flying type. Almost. The flowing ribbons, the eyes, and the overall atmosphere. Also I hope Mewtwo won't go down on this the way Lucario did in his movie. Lucario's end is awesome and all, but I don't wanna see Mewtwo do that again. And don't get me started about Latios... @PME we all want those leaks, you're not alone :) __________________ My deviantART \(ಠ益ಠ)/ My Art Thread \(ಠ益ಠ)/ Fakemon Game Project

Mar 7th, 2013, 7:32:56 PM	#6580
clapyourhands Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 24 California	Considering Mewtwo is in the new movie, does anyone see it returning in Super Smash Bros 4? It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch, since it's only competition is Lucario and Zoroak, the latter of which would most likely be a pain to implement due to its signature powers. Also, like many others have mentioned, its reappearance make me think it will get a new signature move, or form, or even item. __________________ ♪~la-di-da~♫

Mar 7th, 2013, 7:48:49 PM	#6582
Tetz23 Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 9 The vast desert of RU	Yes, Lucario in Brawl was beast. I just hope they make Riolu available in the wild and that early in the game, same as in BW2. __________________

Mar 7th, 2013, 8:22:31 PM	#6585
SmashBrosBrawl Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 262	Has anyone though about a pre-evo link to Throh and Sawk? Theyre basically like the hitmons. __________________ %CoolStoryBrobat: Crobat's my 2nd fave Poke

Mar 7th, 2013, 6:31:42 PM	#6576
lockon Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 72 Belgium	Mewtwo's alternate forme? ;-o

Mar 7th, 2013, 7:55:21 PM	#6583
Xenol Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 16	What I would like for Gamefreak to do is to expand on some stuff they introduced into Pokewood that could be epic for plot purposes. For example, getting to pick your lines to respond in the middle of battle. Or scripted battles with different outcomes such as defeating the enemy within 10 turns gets outcome A while getting outcome B when defeating them more than 10 turns. This will add a breath of life to the main plot, maybe we could even get to change the plot slightly? Like redeeming the villain or maybe alternate endings.

Mar 7th, 2013, 8:59:38 PM	#6588
Dia Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 83 The Utopian Republic of Colombia	I'd be willing to accept Game Freak as a video game company instead of a bunch of trolls if they make alternative endings. __________________ Torres used Focus Blast! Torres missed! I'm naming my Chespin Conkers, my Fennekin Mozilla, and my Froakie Albus.

Mar 7th, 2013, 9:37:17 PM	#6590
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	Emerald's story was standout in my view. But I concur that I don't see the Pokemon games as particularly needing extra endings. The kid-friendly nature leaves little opportunity for dark bad endings, and the ultimate goal has always been the same: beat the Champion. Add in that battles are basically sporting contests, so if you lose to the Champion you don't get a different ending because it's not the end, you can train up and have a rematch. __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.

Mar 7th, 2013, 9:40:31 PM	#6591
R_N Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,309	Alternate endings only really make sense for games that encourage multiple playthroughs Despite the fandom's like of restarting for challenge runs, the games always gave the feeling of play once and forever on that save file.

Mar 7th, 2013, 9:49:15 PM	#6593
Virtuous Vice Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 9 Arkansas USA	I honestly can't wait to see these games and I really want there to be a light type. That would be so cool. Think about it, another way to rid the feild of dragons? Or something of the sort.

Mar 8th, 2013, 12:38:27 AM	#6596
Yveltal I could be banned! Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 620 From the House of Precious	Give me a new primitive attribute that became outdated and an extinct type long before Gen 1. Primal/Wild/Relic-type.

Mar 8th, 2013, 3:02:40 AM	#6597
IcyMan28 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,793	I wouldn't say there is very much evidence of Magmar/Electabuzz/Jynx being a trio. The only evidence is that they all got prevos in Gen 2. Gen 1 saw Magmar and Electabuzz as version exclusives and thus a duo; Jynx was not found in the wild whatsoever. Jynx is also the only dual type of the three, while other duos/trio tend to have the same number of typings (Clefairy/Jigglypuff, Arcanine/Ninetails, Gorebyss/Huntail, Beautifly/Dustox, Butterfree/Beedrill, Zangoose/Seviper, etc). There are exceptions but the point stands. As for Jynx/Mr.Mime, I don't see where that idea stems from. Maybe because they can breed? Or maybe because Jynx is only female while we in America assume Mr. Mime is only male due to its dubbed name? I don't believe the original Japanese ascribes a specific gender to Mr. Mime in its name. My point is, GF makes clear what they consider duos/trios, all else is up for debate. We KNOW Volbeat and Illumise are a duo. We KNOW Zangoose and Seviper are a duo. Rampardos and Bastiodon are another example. So unless we have clear evidence, claiming that something will or won't happen based on perceived or imagined patterns isn't great reasoning to support something. __________________ In-Game Name: Anthony FC: 3309 2165 3231 I use legal hacks.

Mar 8th, 2013, 4:24:45 AM	#6598
-NLMRY- Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 200 New York	Personally, something I would like to see a monster based on would be This, a bioluminescent mushroom. Its type could be Grass/Electric; not that that's how it works but it fits stylistically, at least IMO. I'm also not sure about the merits of that type combination, but we have Rotom-M as a standard to judge that. Another interesting type combo for it could be Grass/Ghost as the green glow looks eerie and is the color used for ectoplasm in other fictional works. Perhaps a split Amoongus evo... __________________ My Trade Thread

Mar 8th, 2013, 5:44:24 AM	#6600
Satisfaction Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 188 America	Maybe have a savage ability that would prevent orders from being followed. The pokemon would be disagreeable until you have a close bond with it and effectively counter its ability. It would explain what they meant by bonds will play a larger role and if happiness can disable abilities like savage it can probably do the same for Slaking