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 Jul 10th, 2007, 3:23:09 AM #1 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 Max HP * Max Defense charts EDIT: There is a new thread here. This thread is now obsolete. All the important stuff in in the previous thread. This thread here is just for historical purposes now. The defense stat of a pokemon tells a lot. However, it doesn't tell the whole picture, as Shuckle would then be the best defensive pokemon in the game, which is certainly not true. Similarly, HP doesn't tell everything, else Blissey would be the best physical wall in the game, which is certainly not true. So what we are really looking for is the best HP * defense and the best HP * SpDefense. Not just one stat or the other. To show that this is indeed what we wish for, we start with the damage formula here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16121 (((((2 + (Level × 2 ÷ 5)) × BasePower × [Sp]Atk) ÷ [Sp]Def) ÷ 50) + 2) × CH × (rand(85,100) / 100) × STAB × Type1Effectiveness × Type2Effectiveness = damage in Hit Points Divide both sides by max hp and we get: blah blah / maxHP == damage in HP / maxHP == % damage Of which there is a lot of unnecessary clutter, but eventually we can prove from the above formulas that: ((2+(2*lvl/5)) * BasePower * (S)Atk)/ (50 * def * hp) is roughly proportional to % hp damage. There, now the general relationship basically becomes that % hp lost is just about indirectly proportional to defense * hp. So this method is mathematically sound. But before I post the list... I should note how I calculated this for those curious to repeat my results. I took the Javascript source here: http://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcdp.shtml The said file contains the statistics of all 493 pokemon in a Javascript array. I assume it is correct. From there, I parsed it into a C++ .h file and then made a program that printed the values for the list... well... kinda. I then used Gnumeric to sort the lists appropriately. And now I'm too lazy to move the names to the actual lists... but I'll put some notable pokemon's names next to their pokemon numbers. =---------------------------------- For those who skipped down to the list, here's the important tidbits: I'm assuming 252/252/252 EV spread. Yes, thats right, max EVs in both HP and Defense and Special Defense. Slightly unrealistic, but I figure it makes sense from a wall point of view. Also, I'm assuming 31 IVs. I doubt this will change much in the ways of calculations. Top 100 defense * hp pokemon. Pokemon number | Defense*hp | Special Defense * hp Code: ```Regirock 199472 119392 Steelix 193992 88854 Giratina 187488 187488 Aggron 173376 82560 Rhyperior 170996 99386 Groudon 168064 123624 Slaking 165312 126504 Arceus 165168 165168 Cresselia 165168 174936 Lugia 163904 185952 Registeel 159432 159432 Relicanth 159176 101404 Bastiodon 154872 133488 Tangrowth 154732 88072 Hippowdon 154560 112140 Rhydon 154008 85698 Cloyster 153216 62928 Dialga 150288 132512 Shuckle 149816 149816 Regigigas 148400 148400 Forretress 147264 84960 Suicune 145844 145844 Golem 143416 91364 Metagross 143416 111384 Torkoal 143104 90128 Donphan 142848 92160 Tyranitar 141400 132512 Uxie 139476 139476 Skarmory 138944 87508 Probopass 138348 141912 Slowbro 137900 111896 Umbreon 137900 155236 Wobbuffet 137824 137824 Gliscor 135582 96642 Lairon 134784 70632 Lickilicky 134408 134408 Miltank 133566 103228 Torterra 133566 116230 Garchomp 133140 123900 Celebi 132512 132512 Jirachi 132512 132512 Manaphy 132512 132512 Mew 132512 132512 Shaymin 132512 132512 Heatran 132012 132012 Lapras 131776 147088 Omastar 131752 90128 Leafeon 131596 83834 Snorlax 131524 183400 Walrein 129744 129744 Entei 128030 118482 Ho 127296 185952 Mewtwo 127296 127296 Rayquaza 126684 126684 Onix 126040 56718 Articuno 125952 147072 Palkia 125952 142848 Weezing 124248 87508 Magnezone 124184 105264 Sudowoodo 124184 86344 Sandslash 123900 81066 Kyogre 123624 168064 Swampert 123624 123624 Mesprit 123396 123396 Bronzong 123032 123032 Feraligatr 122672 108834 Dragonite 122362 126608 Poliwrath 121728 117504 Cradily 121072 129344 Tangela 120574 65464 Mamoswine 120416 101760 Drapion 120400 93912 Meganium 119392 119392 Regice 119392 199472 Dusknoir 119070 119070 Blastoise 118736 122718 Togekiss 118558 135014 Hariyama 118080 118080 Kangaskhan 117576 117576 Swalot 117564 117564 Moltres 117504 113280 Tropius 116982 120600 Glaceon 116900 105878 Exeggutor 116230 98894 Quagsire 116230 98894 Armaldo 116112 100536 Rhyhorn 115388 63336 Nidoqueen 115200 113280 Azumarill 114736 114736 Piloswine 114736 96960 Vespiquen 114552 114552 Porygon2 114444 118558 Whiscash 114056 112360 Marowak 113400 92016 Graveler 113354 64998 Kingler 113354 68452 Zapdos 113280 117504 Gligar 113226 83834 Magcargo 113088 86336 Muk 113022 135792 Scizor 112832 97696 Wailord 112608 112608 Empoleon 112344 123132 Kingdra 112218 112218 Tauros 112218 92748 Yanmega 112048 87232 Dusclops 111896 111896 Salamence 111896 111896 Slowking 111896 137900 Latias 111384 143416 Vaporeon 111360 147088 Gyarados 111108 129232 Milotic 111108 150902 Gastrodon 109908 123114 Claydol 109836 120528 Kabutops 109836 84888 Pinsir 109552 87508 Shelgon 109552 72812 Arcanine 109056 109056 Dewgong 109056 121728 Machamp 109056 113280 Altaria 108324 120006 Lanturn 107144 125304 Nosepass 106920 80784 Gorebyss 106446 85722 Huntail 106446 85722 Metang 106272 92016 Pelipper 106272 84888 Crobat 106216 106216 Clefable 105986 120564 Venusaur 105924 119392 Dunsparce 105848 101404 Darkrai 105264 105264 Spiritomb 105184 105184 Skuntank 104960 99630 Abomasnow 104832 113280 Ampharos 104832 117504 Granbull 104832 92160 Lickitung 104832 104832 Politoed 104832 125952 Raikou 104832 125952 Ursaring 104832 104832 Bellossom 104430 116112 Grotle 104430 88854 Vileplume 104430 108324 Flygon 103376 103376 Glalie 103376 103376 Latios 103376 127400 Phione 103376 103376 Vigoroth 103376 83356 Drifblim 103320 114408 Luxray 102648 102648 Golduck 101920 103376 Exploud 101764 101764 Nidoking 101748 99918 Solrock 101480 86344 Pidgeot 101010 96940 Charizard 100800 106200 Typhlosion 100800 106200 Sealeo 100608 100608 Wigglytuff 100188 105512 Aron 99712 59584 Seadra 99538 64998 Heracross 99372 115388 Hypno 97988 135014 Porygon 97988 102102 Staraptor 97988 81532 Lopunny 97862 106880 Scyther 97696 97696 Crawdaunt 97350 75570 Shieldon 97152 79728 Octillery 96642 96642 Slowpoke 96384 75264 Bonsly 96368 62928 Cubone 96368 66272 Hitmontop 96368 106400 Magneton 96368 79648 Starmie 95580 95580 Wormadam 95580 109836 Ninetales 95550 114800 Rampardos 95520 86764 Blaziken 95368 95368 Ludicolo 95368 119392 Machoke 95368 87360 Hippopotas 95200 68340 Croconaw 94856 82498 Bronzor 94764 94764 Lumineon 94392 101916 Infernape 94340 94340 Carnivine 93984 93984 Lileep 93408 100800 Geodude 93152 49416 Furret 93126 85646 Pineco 93024 56240 Munchlax 92904 139830 Toxicroak 92870 92870 Blissey 92820 289170 Azelf 92748 92748 Golbat 92748 96642 Jumpluff 92748 104430 Corsola 92630 92630 Togetic 92630 106446 Phanpy 92160 75264 Shiftry 92160 92160 Bayleef 92016 92016 Breloom 92016 77760 Exeggcute 92016 67068 Parasect 92016 92016 Wartortle 91448 91448 Aerodactyl 91364 99372 Grumpig 91364 127400 Seaking 91364 103376 Tentacruel 91364 135408 Victreebel 91364 87360 Qwilfish 91182 76486 Electivire 90624 104430 Magmortar 90624 112218 Ariados 90128 82560 Camerupt 90128 93912 Castform 90128 90128 Cherrim 90128 96320 Froslass 90128 90128 Lucario 90128 90128 Marshtomp 90128 90128 Mightyena 90128 82560 Pupitar 90128 90128 Honchkrow 90092 90092 Koffing 90028 58788 Ambipom 89916 89916 Omanyte 89872 62746 Mawile 89680 69616 Sandshrew 89680 52896 Medicham 88452 88452 Noctowl 88072 129280 Nidorina 88064 78776 Chimecho 87508 94856 Mantine 87508 138944 Porygon 87508 91182 Rapidash 87508 94856 Xatu 87508 87508 Linoone 87480 87480 Skorupi 86904 65036 Bibarel 86880 86880 Shellder 86592 43032 Delcatty 86344 78776 Girafarig 86344 86344 Lunatone 86344 101480 Sceptile 86344 101480 Weavile 86344 101480 Purugly 86154 82348 Wailmer 85840 85840 Stantler 85750 87850 Hitmonchan 85728 106400 Prinplup 85656 91632 Floatzel 85646 81532 Gabite 85340 77860 Gallade 85340 122740 Gardevoir 85340 122740 Dodrio 84888 77760 Dustox 84888 99144 Electrode 84888 92016 Gloom 84888 88452 Kecleon 84888 120528 Pachirisu 84888 99144 Rotom 84512 84512 Wynaut 84316 84316 Masquerain 84280 99416 Arbok 84240 91368 Seviper 84000 84000 Zangoose 84000 84000 Fearow 83834 81162 Poliwhirl 83834 72812 Chansey 83776 238656 Banette 83332 82004 Sableye 82992 76304 Cacturne 82560 82560 Manectric 82560 82560 Venomoth 82560 93912 Dragonair 81826 85412 Nincada 81396 46284 Sunflora 81066 104430 Clamperl 80830 62746 Kabuto 80784 54648 Krabby 80784 43032 Beldum 80656 68160 Absol 80160 80160 Espeon 80160 105878 Flareon 80160 116900 Jolteon 80160 105878 Persian 80160 83834 Primeape 80160 87508 Ivysaur 80028 92016 Grimer 79352 79352 Kricketune 79118 79118 Flaaffy 78776 82560 Turtwig 78186 71906 Electabuzz 78156 98530 Magmar 78156 98530 Combusken 77760 77760 Gengar 77760 88452 Misdreavus 77760 95580 Mismagius 77760 109836 Shroomish 77760 77760 Slakoth 77760 59940 Spinda 77760 77760 Swellow 77760 70632 Gulpin 77400 77400 Houndoom 77172 100536 Illumise 76486 91182 Seel 76486 87508 Volbeat 76486 91182 Nidorino 76284 74654 Shellos 76184 87220 Totodile 75696 65056 Pidgeotto 75570 71940 Charmeleon 75520 80320 Quilava 75520 80320 Loudred 75516 75516 Raticate 75360 82268 Machop 74992 63640 Marill 74992 74992 Mothim 74992 74992 Spheal 74992 74992 Duskull 74664 74664 Raichu 74196 92016 Roserade 74196 109836 Monferno 74036 74036 Chikorita 73794 73794 Chatot 73692 71556 Clefairy 73616 86344 Squirtle 73292 72708 Weepinbell 72812 69138 Corphish 72790 53650 Aipom 71906 71906 Sneasel 71906 85722 Mr 71284 105648 Beautifly 70632 70632 Butterfree 70632 92016 Lombre 70632 84888 Minun 70632 95580 Snover 70632 77760 Snubbull 70632 63504 Teddiursa 70632 70632 Venonat 70632 74196 Bagon 70560 51156 Goldeen 70560 64092 Swablu 70560 80262 Farfetch 70532 75460 Drifloon 70272 78720 Finneon 70064 73386 Nidoran 70022 61544 Luxio 69984 69984 Stunky 69960 65670 Piplup 69750 71920 Cascoon 69616 49552 Metapod 69616 49552 Ponyta 69616 76304 Silcoon 69616 49552 Horsea 69168 43032 Yanma 69138 69138 Togepi 68774 68774 Eevee 68452 78814 Ledian 68452 109900 Skiploom 68452 78814 Staravia 68452 61544 Hitmonlee 68400 106400 Chinchou 67968 82128 Ninjask 67482 71068 Nuzleaf 67424 67424 Sharpedo 67424 67424 Oddish 67326 73794 Drowzee 67068 99144 Magnemite 66548 58166 Luvdisc 66410 72790 Deoxys 66272 66272 Larvitar 66272 66272 Mudkip 66272 66272 Snorunt 66272 66272 Vibrava 66272 66272 Cranidos 66248 58812 Gible 66240 66240 Jigglypuff 65968 70742 Beedrill 65464 94856 Murkrow 65124 65124 Psyduck 65056 66272 Baltoy 65036 74408 Alakazam 64998 92630 Growlithe 64998 68452 Wooper 64998 51182 Buneary 64370 72848 Ditto 64200 64200 Unown 64200 64200 Anorith 64092 64092 Chingling 64092 64092 Kakuna 64092 47922 Mantyke 64092 109368 Bulbasaur 63504 73794 Numel 63504 67068 Plusle 63504 88452 Bidoof 63112 63112 Grovyle 62928 76304 Roselia 62928 86336 Skitty 62928 56240 Paras 62746 62746 Seedot 61912 49416 Voltorb 61912 65036 Jynx 61790 105878 Barboach 61712 60496 Mareep 61544 64998 Cherubi 60858 66150 Delibird 60858 60858 Haunter 60858 67326 Trapinch 60858 60858 Glameow 60702 57380 Makuhita 60552 60552 Meditite 60456 60456 Staryu 60456 60456 Spoink 59940 92016 Chimchar 59860 59860 Dugtrio 59732 71788 Azurill 59584 59584 Cacnea 59584 59584 Swinub 59584 52896 Dratini 59202 62348 Croagunk 58800 58800 Burmy 58788 58788 Natu 58788 58788 Buizel 58090 54636 Smeargle 58090 64998 Nidoran 58016 58016 Torchic 57624 64092 Charmander 57246 61476 Cyndaquil 57246 61476 Doduo 56718 50690 Hoothoot 56376 75168 Bellsprout 56240 52896 Ekans 56170 62198 Magikarp 55876 37088 Elekid 55860 67326 Magby 55860 67326 Zigzagoon 55720 55720 Electrike 55664 55664 Pidgey 55664 52540 Poliwag 55664 55664 Riolu 55664 55664 Slugma 55664 55664 Spinarak 55664 55664 Kricketot 55322 55322 Vulpix 54880 70280 Caterpie 54390 44688 Wurmple 54390 51156 Igglybuff 54144 58368 Shuppet 54020 52852 Shinx 53802 53802 Hoppip 53704 62746 Combee 53064 53064 Whismur 52788 52788 Budew 52540 74408 Mankey 52540 58788 Meowth 52540 55664 Tentacool 52540 93152 Treecko 52540 65036 Zubat 52540 55664 Kirlia 51800 64120 Cleffa 51680 69616 Houndour 51156 64092 Surskit 50836 63332 Poochyena 50690 47676 Remoraid 50690 50690 Tyrogue 50690 50690 Mime 50508 74664 Sentret 50142 56718 Kadabra 49416 74408 Ledyba 49416 80656 Lotad 49416 61912 Spearow 49416 50268 Starly 49416 49416 Taillow 49416 49416 Weedle 49416 43168 Wingull 49416 49416 Rattata 48840 48840 Happiny 48076 101404 Pikachu 47676 53704 Gastly 45936 48840 Sunkern 45936 45936 Carvanha 44688 44688 Shedinja 42642 35844 Ralts 42380 48100 Smoochum 41454 73794 Feebas 37088 55876 Diglett 36512 46368 Abra 35814 58166 Pichu 34404 45140``` Note: Because I'm lazy, Shedinja's HP isn't 1 when I calculated it. Regardless... as this list is automatically generated... I'm too lazy to change it now. And any battler worth their salt should know that Shedinja doesn't survive anything that can hit it :-/ EDIT: Major bug found in the defense list. The entire list is worthless. However, the Special List passes the sanity test: Blissey is indeed the #1 special wall in the game. :-/ EDIT2: Bug fixed... I think. Defense has changed as well as Special Defense. Top 100 Special Defense * HP pokemon. Same format as above... Pokemon Number, Physical Defense, and then Special Defense. Code: ```Blissey 92820 289170 Chansey 83776 238656 Regice 119392 199472 Giratina 187488 187488 Ho 127296 185952 Lugia 163904 185952 Snorlax 131524 183400 Cresselia 165168 174936 Kyogre 123624 168064 Arceus 165168 165168 Registeel 159432 159432 Umbreon 137900 155236 Milotic 111108 150902 Shuckle 149816 149816 Regigigas 148400 148400 Lapras 131776 147088 Vaporeon 111360 147088 Articuno 125952 147072 Suicune 145844 145844 Latias 111384 143416 Palkia 125952 142848 Probopass 138348 141912 Munchlax 92904 139830 Uxie 139476 139476 Mantine 87508 138944 Slowking 111896 137900 Wobbuffet 137824 137824 Muk 113022 135792 Tentacruel 91364 135408 Hypno 97988 135014 Togekiss 118558 135014 Lickilicky 134408 134408 Bastiodon 154872 133488 Celebi 132512 132512 Dialga 150288 132512 Jirachi 132512 132512 Manaphy 132512 132512 Mew 132512 132512 Shaymin 132512 132512 Tyranitar 141400 132512 Heatran 132012 132012 Walrein 129744 129744 Cradily 121072 129344 Noctowl 88072 129280 Gyarados 111108 129232 Grumpig 91364 127400 Latios 103376 127400 Mewtwo 127296 127296 Rayquaza 126684 126684 Dragonite 122362 126608 Slaking 165312 126504 Politoed 104832 125952 Raikou 104832 125952 Lanturn 107144 125304 Garchomp 133140 123900 Groudon 168064 123624 Swampert 123624 123624 Mesprit 123396 123396 Empoleon 112344 123132 Gastrodon 109908 123114 Bronzong 123032 123032 Gallade 85340 122740 Gardevoir 85340 122740 Blastoise 118736 122718 Dewgong 109056 121728 Tropius 116982 120600 Clefable 105986 120564 Claydol 109836 120528 Kecleon 84888 120528 Altaria 108324 120006 Ludicolo 95368 119392 Meganium 119392 119392 Regirock 199472 119392 Venusaur 105924 119392 Dusknoir 119070 119070 Porygon2 114444 118558 Entei 128030 118482 Hariyama 118080 118080 Kangaskhan 117576 117576 Swalot 117564 117564 Ampharos 104832 117504 Poliwrath 121728 117504 Zapdos 113280 117504 Flareon 80160 116900 Torterra 133566 116230 Bellossom 104430 116112 Heracross 99372 115388 Ninetales 95550 114800 Azumarill 114736 114736 Vespiquen 114552 114552 Drifblim 103320 114408 Abomasnow 104832 113280 Machamp 109056 113280 Moltres 117504 113280 Nidoqueen 115200 113280 Wailord 112608 112608 Whiscash 114056 112360 Kingdra 112218 112218 Magmortar 90624 112218 Hippowdon 154560 112140 Dusclops 111896 111896 Salamence 111896 111896 Slowbro 137900 111896 Metagross 143416 111384 Ledian 68452 109900 Mismagius 77760 109836 Roserade 74196 109836 Wormadam 95580 109836 Mantyke 64092 109368 Arcanine 109056 109056 Feraligatr 122672 108834 Vileplume 104430 108324 Lopunny 97862 106880 Togetic 92630 106446 Hitmonchan 85728 106400 Hitmonlee 68400 106400 Hitmontop 96368 106400 Crobat 106216 106216 Charizard 100800 106200 Typhlosion 100800 106200 Espeon 80160 105878 Glaceon 116900 105878 Jolteon 80160 105878 Jynx 61790 105878 Mr 71284 105648 Wigglytuff 100188 105512 Darkrai 105264 105264 Magnezone 124184 105264 Spiritomb 105184 105184 Lickitung 104832 104832 Ursaring 104832 104832 Electivire 90624 104430 Jumpluff 92748 104430 Sunflora 81066 104430 Flygon 103376 103376 Glalie 103376 103376 Golduck 101920 103376 Phione 103376 103376 Seaking 91364 103376 Miltank 133566 103228 Luxray 102648 102648 Porygon 97988 102102 Lumineon 94392 101916 Exploud 101764 101764 Mamoswine 120416 101760 Lunatone 86344 101480 Sceptile 86344 101480 Weavile 86344 101480 Dunsparce 105848 101404 Happiny 48076 101404 Relicanth 159176 101404 Lileep 93408 100800 Sealeo 100608 100608 Armaldo 116112 100536 Houndoom 77172 100536 Nidoking 101748 99918 Skuntank 104960 99630 Masquerain 84280 99416 Rhyperior 170996 99386 Aerodactyl 91364 99372 Drowzee 67068 99144 Dustox 84888 99144 Pachirisu 84888 99144 Exeggutor 116230 98894 Quagsire 116230 98894 Electabuzz 78156 98530 Magmar 78156 98530 Scizor 112832 97696 Scyther 97696 97696 Piloswine 114736 96960 Pidgeot 101010 96940 Gliscor 135582 96642 Golbat 92748 96642 Octillery 96642 96642 Cherrim 90128 96320 Minun 70632 95580 Misdreavus 77760 95580 Starmie 95580 95580 Blaziken 95368 95368 Beedrill 65464 94856 Chimecho 87508 94856 Rapidash 87508 94856 Bronzor 94764 94764 Infernape 94340 94340 Carnivine 93984 93984 Camerupt 90128 93912 Drapion 120400 93912 Venomoth 82560 93912 Tentacool 52540 93152 Toxicroak 92870 92870 Azelf 92748 92748 Tauros 112218 92748 Alakazam 64998 92630 Corsola 92630 92630 Donphan 142848 92160 Granbull 104832 92160 Shiftry 92160 92160 Bayleef 92016 92016 Butterfree 70632 92016 Electrode 84888 92016 Ivysaur 80028 92016 Marowak 113400 92016 Metang 106272 92016 Parasect 92016 92016 Raichu 74196 92016 Spoink 59940 92016 Prinplup 85656 91632 Wartortle 91448 91448 Arbok 84240 91368 Golem 143416 91364 Illumise 76486 91182 Porygon 87508 91182 Volbeat 76486 91182 Castform 90128 90128 Froslass 90128 90128 Lucario 90128 90128 Marshtomp 90128 90128 Omastar 131752 90128 Pupitar 90128 90128 Torkoal 143104 90128 Honchkrow 90092 90092 Ambipom 89916 89916 Grotle 104430 88854 Steelix 193992 88854 Gengar 77760 88452 Gloom 84888 88452 Medicham 88452 88452 Plusle 63504 88452 Tangrowth 154732 88072 Stantler 85750 87850 Pinsir 109552 87508 Primeape 80160 87508 Seel 76486 87508 Skarmory 138944 87508 Weezing 124248 87508 Xatu 87508 87508 Linoone 87480 87480 Machoke 95368 87360 Victreebel 91364 87360 Yanmega 112048 87232 Shellos 76184 87220 Bibarel 86880 86880 Rampardos 95520 86764 Clefairy 73616 86344 Girafarig 86344 86344 Solrock 101480 86344 Sudowoodo 124184 86344 Magcargo 113088 86336 Roselia 62928 86336 Wailmer 85840 85840 Gorebyss 106446 85722 Huntail 106446 85722 Sneasel 71906 85722 Rhydon 154008 85698 Furret 93126 85646 Dragonair 81826 85412 Forretress 147264 84960 Kabutops 109836 84888 Lombre 70632 84888 Pelipper 106272 84888 Rotom 84512 84512 Wynaut 84316 84316 Seviper 84000 84000 Zangoose 84000 84000 Gligar 113226 83834 Leafeon 131596 83834 Persian 80160 83834 Vigoroth 103376 83356 Aggron 173376 82560 Ariados 90128 82560 Cacturne 82560 82560 Flaaffy 78776 82560 Manectric 82560 82560 Mightyena 90128 82560 Croconaw 94856 82498 Purugly 86154 82348 Raticate 75360 82268 Chinchou 67968 82128 Banette 83332 82004 Floatzel 85646 81532 Staraptor 97988 81532 Fearow 83834 81162 Sandslash 123900 81066 Nosepass 106920 80784 Ledyba 49416 80656 Charmeleon 75520 80320 Quilava 75520 80320 Swablu 70560 80262 Absol 80160 80160 Shieldon 97152 79728 Magneton 96368 79648 Grimer 79352 79352 Kricketune 79118 79118 Eevee 68452 78814 Skiploom 68452 78814 Delcatty 86344 78776 Nidorina 88064 78776 Drifloon 70272 78720 Gabite 85340 77860 Breloom 92016 77760 Combusken 77760 77760 Dodrio 84888 77760 Shroomish 77760 77760 Snover 70632 77760 Spinda 77760 77760 Gulpin 77400 77400 Qwilfish 91182 76486 Grovyle 62928 76304 Ponyta 69616 76304 Sableye 82992 76304 Crawdaunt 97350 75570 Loudred 75516 75516 Farfetch 70532 75460 Phanpy 92160 75264 Slowpoke 96384 75264 Hoothoot 56376 75168 Marill 74992 74992 Mothim 74992 74992 Spheal 74992 74992 Duskull 74664 74664 Mime 50508 74664 Nidorino 76284 74654 Baltoy 65036 74408 Budew 52540 74408 Kadabra 49416 74408 Venonat 70632 74196 Monferno 74036 74036 Bulbasaur 63504 73794 Chikorita 73794 73794 Oddish 67326 73794 Smoochum 41454 73794 Finneon 70064 73386 Buneary 64370 72848 Poliwhirl 83834 72812 Shelgon 109552 72812 Luvdisc 66410 72790 Squirtle 73292 72708 Pidgeotto 75570 71940 Piplup 69750 71920 Aipom 71906 71906 Turtwig 78186 71906 Dugtrio 59732 71788 Chatot 73692 71556 Ninjask 67482 71068 Jigglypuff 65968 70742 Beautifly 70632 70632 Lairon 134784 70632 Swellow 77760 70632 Teddiursa 70632 70632 Vulpix 54880 70280 Luxio 69984 69984 Cleffa 51680 69616 Mawile 89680 69616 Weepinbell 72812 69138 Yanma 69138 69138 Togepi 68774 68774 Growlithe 64998 68452 Kingler 113354 68452 Hippopotas 95200 68340 Beldum 80656 68160 Nuzleaf 67424 67424 Sharpedo 67424 67424 Elekid 55860 67326 Haunter 60858 67326 Magby 55860 67326 Exeggcute 92016 67068 Numel 63504 67068 Cubone 96368 66272 Deoxys 66272 66272 Larvitar 66272 66272 Mudkip 66272 66272 Psyduck 65056 66272 Snorunt 66272 66272 Vibrava 66272 66272 Gible 66240 66240 Cherubi 60858 66150 Stunky 69960 65670 Tangela 120574 65464 Murkrow 65124 65124 Totodile 75696 65056 Skorupi 86904 65036 Treecko 52540 65036 Voltorb 61912 65036 Graveler 113354 64998 Mareep 61544 64998 Seadra 99538 64998 Smeargle 58090 64998 Ditto 64200 64200 Unown 64200 64200 Kirlia 51800 64120 Anorith 64092 64092 Chingling 64092 64092 Goldeen 70560 64092 Houndour 51156 64092 Torchic 57624 64092 Machop 74992 63640 Snubbull 70632 63504 Rhyhorn 115388 63336 Surskit 50836 63332 Bidoof 63112 63112 Bonsly 96368 62928 Cloyster 153216 62928 Clamperl 80830 62746 Hoppip 53704 62746 Omanyte 89872 62746 Paras 62746 62746 Dratini 59202 62348 Ekans 56170 62198 Lotad 49416 61912 Nidoran 70022 61544 Staravia 68452 61544 Charmander 57246 61476 Cyndaquil 57246 61476 Delibird 60858 60858 Trapinch 60858 60858 Makuhita 60552 60552 Barboach 61712 60496 Meditite 60456 60456 Staryu 60456 60456 Slakoth 77760 59940 Chimchar 59860 59860 Aron 99712 59584 Azurill 59584 59584 Cacnea 59584 59584 Cranidos 66248 58812 Croagunk 58800 58800 Burmy 58788 58788 Koffing 90028 58788 Mankey 52540 58788 Natu 58788 58788 Igglybuff 54144 58368 Abra 35814 58166 Magnemite 66548 58166 Nidoran 58016 58016 Glameow 60702 57380 Onix 126040 56718 Sentret 50142 56718 Pineco 93024 56240 Skitty 62928 56240 Feebas 37088 55876 Zigzagoon 55720 55720 Electrike 55664 55664 Meowth 52540 55664 Poliwag 55664 55664 Riolu 55664 55664 Slugma 55664 55664 Spinarak 55664 55664 Zubat 52540 55664 Kricketot 55322 55322 Kabuto 80784 54648 Buizel 58090 54636 Shinx 53802 53802 Pikachu 47676 53704 Corphish 72790 53650 Combee 53064 53064 Bellsprout 56240 52896 Sandshrew 89680 52896 Swinub 59584 52896 Shuppet 54020 52852 Whismur 52788 52788 Pidgey 55664 52540 Wooper 64998 51182 Bagon 70560 51156 Wurmple 54390 51156 Doduo 56718 50690 Remoraid 50690 50690 Tyrogue 50690 50690 Spearow 49416 50268 Cascoon 69616 49552 Metapod 69616 49552 Silcoon 69616 49552 Geodude 93152 49416 Seedot 61912 49416 Starly 49416 49416 Taillow 49416 49416 Wingull 49416 49416 Gastly 45936 48840 Rattata 48840 48840 Ralts 42380 48100 Kakuna 64092 47922 Poochyena 50690 47676 Diglett 36512 46368 Nincada 81396 46284 Sunkern 45936 45936 Pichu 34404 45140 Carvanha 44688 44688 Caterpie 54390 44688 Weedle 49416 43168 Horsea 69168 43032 Krabby 80784 43032 Shellder 86592 43032 Magikarp 55876 37088 Shedinja 42642 35844``` Edit: Done. Found a wikipedia list with all the pokemon and names that I used to generate an automatic number-> name converter... assuming wikipedia is true of course :-p Okay, thats that. Enjoy the list. ======= Commentary.... I'll redo my commentary. With the fixing of the bug, the list could have changed. Last edited by Dragontamer; Jul 15th, 2007 at 2:46:23 AM.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 4:02:51 AM #2 Mizuno     Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,000 Puerto Rico This is great, good job. However, I'm not getting the same results. Are you simply multiplying HP Stat * Defensive Stat? For example, this is what I get if I do that with Girantina: 504 HP (Max) * 339 Def (Max, Neutral Nature) = 170856 While instead, you got 165168. So, how are you exactly calculating the stat? Maybe there is a mistake somewhere! __________________ "These days, I see nothing but tiny men made of straw..." Brawl FC: 4596-9156-1285 Steam: Kidyermou
Jul 10th, 2007, 4:10:22 AM   #3
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 Originally Posted by Fat Mizuno This is great, good job. However, I'm not getting the same results. Are you simply multiplying HP Stat * Defensive Stat? For example, this is what I get if I do that with Girantina: 504 HP (Max) * 339 Def (Max, Neutral Nature) = 170856 While instead, you got 165168. So, how are you exactly calculating the stat? Maybe there is a mistake somewhere!
Good point, hmm.

 Jul 10th, 2007, 4:18:16 AM #4 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 Crap. Time to pull the calculators out to see where this bug is... At least I know it effected all pokemon equally. So :-p Anyway, I figured it out. All values are 1.1 times larger than they should be. I forgot that HP don't get effected by natures, and if they did you wouldn't want it on HP but instead on Defense :-p So anyway, these values are all proportinally correct. Again, it assumes +nature in defense/s. defense, max EVs in all 3 stats, and erm... + nature in HP >.> I'll fix that later... but really, it doesn't effect the list so it is on a low priority.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 4:19:07 AM #5 sxcdude     Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 358 somewhere over the rainbow awesome research :) __________________ name: nathan nature: jolly ability: simple
 Jul 10th, 2007, 4:22:47 AM #6 Shank     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 587 ✔ Wow, thats interesting.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 4:23:45 AM #7 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 Taken Defense list down. Thanks for catching that bug. I'll fix it in the morning. But now... I need sleep. The Special Defense List should be working.... I mean, blissey is on top afterall.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 4:31:10 AM #8 david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming.     Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152 Here's an old PM I have saved from a long time ago (before English DP)... The "stat" he's referring to at the start is HP / ( 1 / Def + 1 / SDef ) Blue Yellow Red: anyway obi Blue Yellow Red: i calculated that stat for all the DP pokemon Blue Yellow Red: it is somewhat interesting what the results are Blue Yellow Red: (Giradina) 115% (Lugia*) 109% (Kureseria) 105% (Aruseus*) 102% 1. Registeel 100% 2. Regirock/Regice 97% 4. Shuckle 96% (Ho-oh*) 96% 5. Snorlax 95% 6. Blissey* 93% (Regigigas) 91% 7. Umbreon* 91% 8. Toridepusu 90% 9. Suicune 90% (Groudon/Kyogre) 90% (Deoxys(LG)*) 88% 10. Dainoosu 88% 11. Slaking* 88% (Diaruga) 87% (Yukishii) 87% 12. Lapras 84% 13. Articuno* 84% 14. Tyranitar 84% (Wobbuffet) 84% (Parukia) 83% 15. Beruberuto 82% 16. Kabarudon* 81% (Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Manaphy/Sheimi) 81% (Hiidoran) 81% 17. Steelix 80% 18. Dosaidon 80% 19. Milotic* 80% 20. Walrein 78% * means that it learns a move that restores 50% of its HP Obi: SOmething finally beats Lugia Blue Yellow Red: its that awesome 500 HP Blue Yellow Red: i think kabarudon Obi: lol Blue Yellow Red: is going to be on every team Obi: Registeel Obi: You said you use max stats? Blue Yellow Red: i maximize the value Blue Yellow Red: with the 510 EV's Blue Yellow Red: plus a nature Obi: ah Blue Yellow Red: i wrote a program to do that Obi: That would take a while to do by hand. Blue Yellow Red: and i also took that spreadsheet posted at smogon forums Obi: Especially guys like Smogon Obi: lol Obi: Especially guys like Snorlax, I mean Blue Yellow Red: and put it into that Blue Yellow Red: yes it does Obi: What are these % in terms of? Blue Yellow Red: what is interesting is how on pokemon like blissey Obi: Because I get regular numbers. Obi: 76695.631436314363143631436314363 Obi: For Lugia Blue Yellow Red: it actually should have max HP and max def Blue Yellow Red: oh Blue Yellow Red: yes Blue Yellow Red: you should Blue Yellow Red: i did physical resistance Blue Yellow Red: special resitance Blue Yellow Red: and that statistic Obi: Blissey does best overall with Max Def and SDef, I thought Blue Yellow Red: all in relation to the highest non-uber pokemon Obi: Ah, so Registeel was just made number 1. :) Blue Yellow Red: yes Blue Yellow Red: when i did my special defense stat Blue Yellow Red: it was weird Blue Yellow Red: because it was blissey: 100% Blue Yellow Red: and everyhing else < 70% Obi: lol Obi: I would have thought Regice would be at like 80% Blue Yellow Red: 1. Blissey* 100% 2. Regice 69% (Giradina) 65% (Lugia*/Ho-oh*) 64% 3. Snorlax 63% (Kureseria) 60% (Kyogre) 58% (Aruseus*) 57% 4. Registeel 55% 5. Umbreon* 54% 6. Milotic* 52% 7. Shuckle 52% (Regigigas) 51% 8. Lapras/Vaporeon 51% 9. Articuno* 51% 10. Suicune 50% (Latias*) 50% (Parukia) 49% 11.Dainoosu 49% (Deoxys(LG)*) 48% (Yukishii) 48% 12. Mantine 48% 13. Slowking* 48% 14. Wobbuffet 48% 15. Muk 47% 16. Tentacruel 47% 17. Hypno/Togekiss* 47% 18. Beruberuto 46% 19. Toridepusu 46% 20. Tyranitar/(Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Diaruga/Manaphy/Sheimi) 46% Obi: lol Obi: This is for what EVs? Obi: 4 HP 252 SDef Calm? Obi: Or 252 both? Blue Yellow Red: 252 both Blue Yellow Red: with the state of defense being so much better Blue Yellow Red: we are in for a special dominated generation Obi: Does it go something like Regirock, Groudon, Forretress, Deoxys-L, Skarmory for that Blue Yellow Red: no Blue Yellow Red: skarmory is #20 out of non-ubers Blue Yellow Red: lol Blue Yellow Red: i was quite surprised Obi: Those resistances are pretty nice, I guess Obi: That means Deoxys-L is also down there Obi: Since it's takes about the same from Rock attacks as Skarmory with a 252 / 252 Spread Blue Yellow Red: tyranitar is higher Blue Yellow Red: 1. Regirock 100% 2. Steelix 97% (Giradina) 94% 4. Aggron 87% 5. Dosaidon 86% (Groudon) 84% 6. Slaking 83% (Aruseus/Kureseria) 83% (Lugia) 82% 7. Registeel 80% 8. Relicanth 80% 9. Toridepusu 78% 10. Mojanbo 78% 11. Kabarudon* 77% 12. Cloyster 77% (Diaruga) 75% 13. Shuckle 75% (Regigigas) 74% 14. Forretress 74% 15. Suicune 73% 16. Golem***tagross 72% 17. Torkoal 72% 18. Donphan 72% 19. Tyranitar 71% (Deoxys(LG)*) 70% (Yukishii) 70% 20. Skarmory* 70% Blue Yellow Red: yeah Blue Yellow Red: its a fraction of a percentage point Blue Yellow Red: above skarmory Obi: Ah, forgot about Steelix and Aggron Blue Yellow Red: kabarudon is at 77% Blue Yellow Red: let's see whats good about it Blue Yellow Red: its got sand stream Blue Yellow Red: a mono ground typing Blue Yellow Red: slack off! Obviously none of this takes the Sandstorm Special Defense boost, various traits, or anything else like that into account, but yeah. His comment about Blissey having 252 HP and 252 Def also makes me wonder just how accurate that script was for optimizing defense, because 252 Def 252 SDef 4 HP gives higher overall defenses for Blissey. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu Last edited by david stone; Jul 10th, 2007 at 4:34:50 AM.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 7:30:54 AM #9 tenchi17   Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 537 This is an excellent resource, I've linked to it in the D/P information/resource sticky.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 8:02:28 AM #10 Luck   Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 518 This lend some credit to my Deoxy LG vs Cresselia argument.Which I will save for another day. Interesting stuff .What stand for me is Tangrowth defensively and Snorlax on the special defensive side.If you can find two useful moves for Snorlax rest +sleep talk set you could have sort of a poor man cresselia.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 10:20:36 AM #11 Surgo goes to eleven     Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,570 Sitting on the edge of time Ah yes, this is awesome. I had one of these for Advance from Uiru, finally a DP one too. Thanks! __________________ This signature had to be removed :-(
 Jul 10th, 2007, 10:41:32 AM #12 chaos** chaos     Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 8,711 good read. __________________ !gabite fierce: y'd u mute me?? !gabite fierce: eh bro?? !gabite fierce: u scared that i might bash u cuz u r not replying? ~chaos: you can't honestly think that is the reason lol !gabite fierce: tell me the reason oh is it cuz of bolding the writing? !gabite fierce: eh? !gabite fierce: u scared again?
 Jul 10th, 2007, 11:12:03 AM #13 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 What is most telling to me is that Skarmory, the "standard physical wall" of the game... at least in Advance before Roost was avaliable... now has many options, including Forretress who only has a 4x Fire Weakness. Also, shuckle's abysmal performance is highlighted even more here. I mean for crying out loud, it isn't even the general wall in the game, Cresslia beats it in both categories.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 12:31:27 PM #14 General Tso     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,788 Michigan All the more reason to use Registeel as my Specsmence counter __________________ D/P FC: 4467-7498-1335 Platinum FC: 3867-4316-0326 PM me if we have a trade agreement
Jul 10th, 2007, 12:32:01 PM   #15
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 Blue Yellow Red: with the state of defense being so much better Blue Yellow Red: we are in for a special dominated generation
Well that isn't happening so far! =P

Jul 10th, 2007, 12:41:18 PM   #16

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 Originally Posted by Fat Firestorm Well that isn't happening so far! =P
There's some belief that the problem is Blissey: It's omnipresent, and an incredibly superior wall to the effectiveness of the physical walls.

There's also the fact that the cool, new sweepers and things are all physical, as well as one of the easiest competitive pokemon to obtain and train: Gyarados.

I think it's because Azelf looks lame. Physical dudes just LOOK badass, this is the most important thing in Pokemon!

Jul 10th, 2007, 1:05:21 PM   #17
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 Originally Posted by Fat Dragontamer What is most telling to me is that Skarmory, the "standard physical wall" of the game... at least in Advance before Roost was avaliable... now has many options, including Forretress who only has a 4x Fire Weakness. Also, shuckle's abysmal performance is highlighted even more here. I mean for crying out loud, it isn't even the general wall in the game, Cresslia beats it in both categories.
I wouldn't call 14th in terms of Defense and 8th in terms of Special Defense abysmal, especially because it's ahead of Skarmory and behind things like Aggron and Bastiodon. >_>

Edit: I realize Skarmory and other Pokemon have more/different resistances, moves, etc., but it makes no sense that this list should be evidence for it being terrible, based only on the defense stats. How well it actually works is another discussion entirely. Or not.

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Jul 10th, 2007, 2:08:43 PM   #18
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 Originally Posted by Fat Yashichi I wouldn't call 14th in terms of Defense and 8th in terms of Special Defense abysmal, especially because it's ahead of Skarmory and behind things like Aggron and Bastiodon. >_>
I would. You forget that Skarmory actually has resistances where Shuckle only has weaknesses; and that unlike Shuckle, Skarmory can actually do something.
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 Jul 10th, 2007, 2:09:52 PM #19 Synre I did my best, I have no regrets     FABULOUS Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,571 This is a pretty cool resource, thanks for putting the work into it.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 3:29:46 PM #20 Mizuno     Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,000 Puerto Rico It made me smile when I saw Slaking #7 on the defense list. It's easy to forget its awesome 150 HP and 100 Def! __________________ "These days, I see nothing but tiny men made of straw..." Brawl FC: 4596-9156-1285 Steam: Kidyermou
 Jul 10th, 2007, 3:49:50 PM #21 Omega     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 572 With the Day Care Couple. Very nice research; great thread!
 Jul 10th, 2007, 4:37:35 PM #22 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 Hmm, it seems like I'll have to reformat the data later. The vast majority of pokemon take hits similarly... even though they may be separated by several dozen pokemon. For example, Arcanine vs Heracross is only a 10% difference in physical damage. Certainly notable... but with a difference in ranking of 45 pokemon, you may overestimate the difference. On the other hand, a difference of 45 pokemon starting from Regirock down to Mew/Shaymin/Manaphy is a difference of some 50%. Thats how much choice-items boost someone's attack. What I'm saying is... don't be fooled by the formatting. Just because pokemon are close together, don't assume they will be similar in combat. I mean, Chansey is #2 in Special Defense compared to Blissey, and I'm sure everyone knows how much that evolution helped Chansey. I think formatting this on an exponential scale or some kind of tier list will tell things better than instead of just listing the rankings. With that said, think before you conclude something here.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 5:31:00 PM #23 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 I took my own advice and created the exponential tier list. The tier number is the floor(log_1.1(value)) . Essentially, every tier is a group of pokemon that are within 10% of each other's defense*hp value. So the Sweeper Tier for instance contains Infernape, Starmie, PorygonZ and Azelf. All are quite close to each other in defenses. I chose a Pokemon that I recognized well to name each tier. That way, each tier can have a relative value in your mind. Inside the tiers, the pokemon are listed in numerical order. It shouldn't make too much a difference. Differences between tiers aren't so great, and a pokemon at a lower tier or even two tiers lower can serve as a better wall. For example, Giratina vs Lugia. Lugia is clearly the better wall with a recovery move, while Giratina is two tiers higher. The exponential scale of 10% was chosen pretty much at random. However, I did first split the pokemon into 6 tiers. But ****ing EVERYONE is in the sweeper tier. I mean seriously, EVERYONE is in a single tier. As you can see here, even with a 10% difference between tiers (again, not that much) the tier lists get a little big in the middle. EDIT: Last thing. Again, these tiers were calculated on assuming 252 EVs and 31 IVs on all stats, as well as +natures on both SpDef and Def. So again, they are slightly unrealistic, but at least they are consistently unrealistic. I figure this inaccuracy shouldn't be a big problem however. Defense Tiers lookup Tier 128 Regirock Tier Tier 127 Giratina tier Tier 126 Cresselia Tier Tier 125 Lugia tier Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier Tier 123 Mew Tier Tier 122 Dusknoir tier Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf Tier 119 Lucario tier Tier 118 Gengar tier Tier 117 Butterfree tier Tier 116 Alakazam tier Tier 115 Dugtrio tier Tier 114 Pidgey tier Tier 113 Pikachu tier Tier 112 Gastly tier Tier 111 Ralt tier Tier 110 Diglett tier Tier 109 Pichu tier Code: ```---Defense Tiers lists--- Tier 128 Regirock Tier Regirock 199472 119392 Tier 127 Giratina tier Steelix 193992 88854 Giratina 187488 187488 Tier 126 Cresselia Tier Slaking 165312 126504 Aggron 173376 82560 Groudon 168064 123624 Rhyperior 170996 99386 Cresselia 165168 174936 Arceus 165168 165168 Tier 125 Lugia tier Cloyster 153216 62928 Rhydon 154008 85698 Shuckle 149816 149816 Lugia 163904 185952 Relicanth 159176 101404 Registeel 159432 159432 Bastiodon 154872 133488 Hippowdon 154560 112140 Tangrowth 154732 88072 Dialga 150288 132512 Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier Golem 143416 91364 Slowbro 137900 111896 Umbreon 137900 155236 Wobbuffet 137824 137824 Forretress 147264 84960 Skarmory 138944 87508 Donphan 142848 92160 Suicune 145844 145844 Tyranitar 141400 132512 Torkoal 143104 90128 Metagross 143416 111384 Probopass 138348 141912 Uxie 139476 139476 Regigigas 148400 148400 Tier 123 Mew Tier Sandslash 123900 81066 Onix 126040 56718 Weezing 124248 87508 Lapras 131776 147088 Omastar 131752 90128 Snorlax 131524 183400 Articuno 125952 147072 Mewtwo 127296 127296 Mew 132512 132512 Sudowoodo 124184 86344 Miltank 133566 103228 Entei 128030 118482 Ho 127296 185952 Celebi 132512 132512 Swampert 123624 123624 Lairon 134784 70632 Walrein 129744 129744 Kyogre 123624 168064 Rayquaza 126684 126684 Jirachi 132512 132512 Torterra 133566 116230 Garchomp 133140 123900 Magnezone 124184 105264 Lickilicky 134408 134408 Leafeon 131596 83834 Gliscor 135582 96642 Mesprit 123396 123396 Palkia 125952 142848 Heatran 132012 132012 Manaphy 132512 132512 Shaymin 132512 132512 Tier 122 Dusknoir tier Blastoise 118736 122718 Nidoqueen 115200 113280 Poliwrath 121728 117504 Graveler 113354 64998 Muk 113022 135792 Kingler 113354 68452 Exeggutor 116230 98894 Marowak 113400 92016 Rhyhorn 115388 63336 Tangela 120574 65464 Kangaskhan 117576 117576 Tauros 112218 92748 Zapdos 113280 117504 Moltres 117504 113280 Dragonite 122362 126608 Meganium 119392 119392 Feraligatr 122672 108834 Azumarill 114736 114736 Quagsire 116230 98894 Gligar 113226 83834 Scizor 112832 97696 Magcargo 113088 86336 Piloswine 114736 96960 Kingdra 112218 112218 Porygon2 114444 118558 Hariyama 118080 118080 Swalot 117564 117564 Wailord 112608 112608 Whiscash 114056 112360 Cradily 121072 129344 Armaldo 116112 100536 Tropius 116982 120600 Regice 119392 199472 Empoleon 112344 123132 Vespiquen 114552 114552 Bronzong 123032 123032 Drapion 120400 93912 Togekiss 118558 135014 Glaceon 116900 105878 Mamoswine 120416 101760 Dusknoir 119070 119070 Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier Venusaur 105924 119392 Clefable 105986 120564 Vileplume 104430 108324 Arcanine 109056 109056 Machamp 109056 113280 Dewgong 109056 121728 Lickitung 104832 104832 Pinsir 109552 87508 Gyarados 111108 129232 Vaporeon 111360 147088 Kabutops 109836 84888 Crobat 106216 106216 Lanturn 107144 125304 Ampharos 104832 117504 Bellossom 104430 116112 Politoed 104832 125952 Slowking 111896 137900 Dunsparce 105848 101404 Granbull 104832 92160 Ursaring 104832 104832 Raikou 104832 125952 Pelipper 106272 84888 Vigoroth 103376 83356 Nosepass 106920 80784 Flygon 103376 103376 Altaria 108324 120006 Claydol 109836 120528 Milotic 111108 150902 Dusclops 111896 111896 Glalie 103376 103376 Huntail 106446 85722 Gorebyss 106446 85722 Shelgon 109552 72812 Salamence 111896 111896 Metang 106272 92016 Latias 111384 143416 Latios 103376 127400 Grotle 104430 88854 Luxray 102648 102648 Gastrodon 109908 123114 Drifblim 103320 114408 Skuntank 104960 99630 Spiritomb 105184 105184 Abomasnow 104832 113280 Yanmega 112048 87232 Phione 103376 103376 Darkrai 105264 105264 Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf Charizard 100800 106200 Pidgeot 101010 96940 Nidoking 101748 99918 Ninetales 95550 114800 Wigglytuff 100188 105512 Golbat 92748 96642 Golduck 101920 103376 Machoke 95368 87360 Geodude 93152 49416 Slowpoke 96384 75264 Magneton 96368 79648 Hypno 97988 135014 Cubone 96368 66272 Seadra 99538 64998 Starmie 95580 95580 Mr. Mime 71284 105648 Scyther 97696 97696 Typhlosion 100800 106200 Croconaw 94856 82498 Furret 93126 85646 Jumpluff 92748 104430 Pineco 93024 56240 Heracross 99372 115388 Octillery 96642 96642 Hitmontop 96368 106400 Blissey 92820 289170 Blaziken 95368 95368 Ludicolo 95368 119392 Exploud 101764 101764 Aron 99712 59584 Solrock 101480 86344 Crawdaunt 97350 75570 Lileep 93408 100800 Sealeo 100608 100608 Infernape 94340 94340 Staraptor 97988 81532 Rampardos 95520 86764 Shieldon 97152 79728 Wormadam 95580 109836 Lopunny 97862 106880 Bronzor 94764 94764 Bonsly 96368 62928 Munchlax 92904 139830 Hippopotas 95200 68340 Toxicroak 92870 92870 Carnivine 93984 93984 Lumineon 94392 101916 Porygon-Z 97988 102102 Azelf 92748 92748 Tier 119 Lucario tier Wartortle 91448 91448 Sandshrew 89680 52896 Nidorina 88064 78776 Gloom 84888 88452 Parasect 92016 92016 Victreebel 91364 87360 Tentacruel 91364 135408 Rapidash 87508 94856 Dodrio 84888 77760 Shellder 86592 43032 Electrode 84888 92016 Exeggcute 92016 67068 Hitmonchan 85728 106400 Koffing 90028 58788 Seaking 91364 103376 Porygon 87508 91182 Omanyte 89872 62746 Aerodactyl 91364 99372 Bayleef 92016 92016 Noctowl 88072 129280 Ariados 90128 82560 Togetic 92630 106446 Xatu 87508 87508 Girafarig 86344 86344 Qwilfish 91182 76486 Corsola 92630 92630 Mantine 87508 138944 Phanpy 92160 75264 Stantler 85750 87850 Pupitar 90128 90128 Sceptile 86344 101480 Marshtomp 90128 90128 Mightyena 90128 82560 Linoone 87480 87480 Dustox 84888 99144 Shiftry 92160 92160 Gardevoir 85340 122740 Breloom 92016 77760 Delcatty 86344 78776 Mawile 89680 69616 Medicham 88452 88452 Wailmer 85840 85840 Camerupt 90128 93912 Grumpig 91364 127400 Lunatone 86344 101480 Castform 90128 90128 Kecleon 84888 120528 Chimecho 87508 94856 Wynaut 84316 84316 Prinplup 85656 91632 Bibarel 86880 86880 Pachirisu 84888 99144 Floatzel 85646 81532 Cherrim 90128 96320 Ambipom 89916 89916 Honchkrow 90092 90092 Purugly 86154 82348 Gabite 85340 77860 Lucario 90128 90128 Skorupi 86904 65036 Weavile 86344 101480 Electivire 90624 104430 Magmortar 90624 112218 Gallade 85340 122740 Froslass 90128 90128 Rotom 84512 84512 Tier 118 Gengar tier Ivysaur 80028 92016 Fearow 83834 81162 Arbok 84240 91368 Venomoth 82560 93912 Persian 80160 83834 Primeape 80160 87508 Poliwhirl 83834 72812 Grimer 79352 79352 Gengar 77760 88452 Krabby 80784 43032 Chansey 83776 238656 Electabuzz 78156 98530 Magmar 78156 98530 Jolteon 80160 105878 Flareon 80160 116900 Kabuto 80784 54648 Dragonair 81826 85412 Flaaffy 78776 82560 Sunflora 81066 104430 Espeon 80160 105878 Misdreavus 77760 95580 Houndoom 77172 100536 Combusken 77760 77760 Swellow 77760 70632 Masquerain 84280 99416 Shroomish 77760 77760 Slakoth 77760 59940 Nincada 81396 46284 Sableye 82992 76304 Manectric 82560 82560 Gulpin 77400 77400 Spinda 77760 77760 Cacturne 82560 82560 Zangoose 84000 84000 Seviper 84000 84000 Banette 83332 82004 Absol 80160 80160 Clamperl 80830 62746 Beldum 80656 68160 Turtwig 78186 71906 Kricketune 79118 79118 Mismagius 77760 109836 Tier 117 Butterfree tier Charmeleon 75520 80320 Squirtle 73292 72708 Butterfree 70632 92016 Pidgeotto 75570 71940 Raticate 75360 82268 Raichu 74196 92016 Nidoran 70022 61544 Nidorino 76284 74654 Clefairy 73616 86344 Venonat 70632 74196 Machop 74992 63640 Weepinbell 72812 69138 Farfetch 70532 75460 Seel 76486 87508 Goldeen 70560 64092 Chikorita 73794 73794 Quilava 75520 80320 Totodile 75696 65056 Marill 74992 74992 Aipom 71906 71906 Snubbull 70632 63504 Sneasel 71906 85722 Teddiursa 70632 70632 Beautifly 70632 70632 Lombre 70632 84888 Loudred 75516 75516 Minun 70632 95580 Volbeat 76486 91182 Illumise 76486 91182 Swablu 70560 80262 Corphish 72790 53650 Duskull 74664 74664 Spheal 74992 74992 Bagon 70560 51156 Monferno 74036 74036 Piplup 69750 71920 Luxio 69984 69984 Roserade 74196 109836 Mothim 74992 74992 Shellos 76184 87220 Drifloon 70272 78720 Stunky 69960 65670 Chatot 73692 71556 Finneon 70064 73386 Snover 70632 77760 Tier 116 Alakazam tier Bulbasaur 63504 73794 Metapod 69616 49552 Kakuna 64092 47922 Beedrill 65464 94856 Jigglypuff 65968 70742 Oddish 67326 73794 Psyduck 65056 66272 Growlithe 64998 68452 Alakazam 64998 92630 Ponyta 69616 76304 Magnemite 66548 58166 Drowzee 67068 99144 Hitmonlee 68400 106400 Horsea 69168 43032 Ditto 64200 64200 Eevee 68452 78814 Ledian 68452 109900 Chinchou 67968 82128 Togepi 68774 68774 Skiploom 68452 78814 Yanma 69138 69138 Wooper 64998 51182 Murkrow 65124 65124 Unown 64200 64200 Larvitar 66272 66272 Mudkip 66272 66272 Silcoon 69616 49552 Cascoon 69616 49552 Nuzleaf 67424 67424 Ninjask 67482 71068 Plusle 63504 88452 Sharpedo 67424 67424 Numel 63504 67068 Vibrava 66272 66272 Baltoy 65036 74408 Anorith 64092 64092 Snorunt 66272 66272 Luvdisc 66410 72790 Deoxys 66272 66272 Staravia 68452 61544 Cranidos 66248 58812 Buneary 64370 72848 Chingling 64092 64092 Gible 66240 66240 Mantyke 64092 109368 Tier 115 Dugtrio tier Nidoran 58016 58016 Paras 62746 62746 Dugtrio 59732 71788 Haunter 60858 67326 Voltorb 61912 65036 Staryu 60456 60456 Jynx 61790 105878 Dratini 59202 62348 Natu 58788 58788 Mareep 61544 64998 Swinub 59584 52896 Delibird 60858 60858 Smeargle 58090 64998 Grovyle 62928 76304 Torchic 57624 64092 Seedot 61912 49416 Makuhita 60552 60552 Azurill 59584 59584 Skitty 62928 56240 Meditite 60456 60456 Roselia 62928 86336 Spoink 59940 92016 Trapinch 60858 60858 Cacnea 59584 59584 Barboach 61712 60496 Chimchar 59860 59860 Bidoof 63112 63112 Burmy 58788 58788 Buizel 58090 54636 Cherubi 60858 66150 Glameow 60702 57380 Croagunk 58800 58800 Tier 114 Pidgey tier Charmander 57246 61476 Caterpie 54390 44688 Pidgey 55664 52540 Ekans 56170 62198 Vulpix 54880 70280 Zubat 52540 55664 Meowth 52540 55664 Mankey 52540 58788 Poliwag 55664 55664 Bellsprout 56240 52896 Tentacool 52540 93152 Doduo 56718 50690 Magikarp 55876 37088 Cyndaquil 57246 61476 Hoothoot 56376 75168 Spinarak 55664 55664 Igglybuff 54144 58368 Hoppip 53704 62746 Slugma 55664 55664 Elekid 55860 67326 Magby 55860 67326 Treecko 52540 65036 Zigzagoon 55720 55720 Wurmple 54390 51156 Whismur 52788 52788 Electrike 55664 55664 Shuppet 54020 52852 Kricketot 55322 55322 Shinx 53802 53802 Budew 52540 74408 Combee 53064 53064 Riolu 55664 55664 Tier 113 Pikachu tier Weedle 49416 43168 Rattata 48840 48840 Spearow 49416 50268 Pikachu 47676 53704 Kadabra 49416 74408 Sentret 50142 56718 Ledyba 49416 80656 Cleffa 51680 69616 Remoraid 50690 50690 Houndour 51156 64092 Tyrogue 50690 50690 Poochyena 50690 47676 Lotad 49416 61912 Taillow 49416 49416 Wingull 49416 49416 Kirlia 51800 64120 Surskit 50836 63332 Starly 49416 49416 Mime 50508 74664 Happiny 48076 101404 Tier 112 Gastly tier Gastly 45936 48840 Sunkern 45936 45936 Carvanha 44688 44688 Tier 111 Ralt tier Smoochum 41454 73794 Ralts 42380 48100 Shedinja 42642 35844 Tier 110 Diglett tier Diglett 36512 46368 Abra 35814 58166 Feebas 37088 55876 Tier 109 Pichu tier Pichu 34404 45140``` And now the Special Defense Tiers Special Defense Tiers lookup Tier 131 Blissey Tier Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier Tier 129 Chansey tier Tier 128 Regice tier Tier 127 Lugia tier Tier 126 Cresselia tier Tier 125 Shuckle tier Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier Tier 123 Mew tier Tier 122 Dusknoir tier Tier 121 Spiritomb tier Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf Tier 119 Alakazam tier Tier 118 Staraptor tier Tier 117 Ninjask Tier Tier 116 Smeargle tier Tier 115 Delibird tier Tier 114 Pikachu tier Tier 113 Metapod tier Tier 112 Diglett tier Tier 111 Weedle tier Tier 110 Magikarp tier Code: ```---Special Defense Tiers lists--- Tier 131 Blissey Tier Blissey 92820 289170 Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier Tier 129 Chansey tier Chansey 83776 238656 Tier 128 Regice tier Regice 119392 199472 Tier 127 Lugia tier Snorlax 131524 183400 Lugia 163904 185952 Ho 127296 185952 Giratina 187488 187488 Tier 126 Cresselia tier Kyogre 123624 168064 Cresselia 165168 174936 Arceus 165168 165168 Tier 125 Shuckle tier Umbreon 137900 155236 Shuckle 149816 149816 Milotic 111108 150902 Registeel 159432 159432 Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier Muk 113022 135792 Lapras 131776 147088 Vaporeon 111360 147088 Articuno 125952 147072 Slowking 111896 137900 Wobbuffet 137824 137824 Mantine 87508 138944 Suicune 145844 145844 Latias 111384 143416 Munchlax 92904 139830 Probopass 138348 141912 Uxie 139476 139476 Palkia 125952 142848 Regigigas 148400 148400 Tier 123 Mew tier Tentacruel 91364 135408 Hypno 97988 135014 Gyarados 111108 129232 Dragonite 122362 126608 Mewtwo 127296 127296 Mew 132512 132512 Noctowl 88072 129280 Lanturn 107144 125304 Politoed 104832 125952 Raikou 104832 125952 Tyranitar 141400 132512 Celebi 132512 132512 Swampert 123624 123624 Slaking 165312 126504 Grumpig 91364 127400 Cradily 121072 129344 Walrein 129744 129744 Latios 103376 127400 Groudon 168064 123624 Rayquaza 126684 126684 Jirachi 132512 132512 Bastiodon 154872 133488 Garchomp 133140 123900 Lickilicky 134408 134408 Togekiss 118558 135014 Mesprit 123396 123396 Dialga 150288 132512 Heatran 132012 132012 Manaphy 132512 132512 Shaymin 132512 132512 Tier 122 Dusknoir tier Venusaur 105924 119392 Blastoise 118736 122718 Nidoqueen 115200 113280 Clefable 105986 120564 Ninetales 95550 114800 Poliwrath 121728 117504 Machamp 109056 113280 Dewgong 109056 121728 Kangaskhan 117576 117576 Flareon 80160 116900 Zapdos 113280 117504 Moltres 117504 113280 Meganium 119392 119392 Ampharos 104832 117504 Bellossom 104430 116112 Azumarill 114736 114736 Heracross 99372 115388 Kingdra 112218 112218 Porygon2 114444 118558 Entei 128030 118482 Ludicolo 95368 119392 Gardevoir 85340 122740 Hariyama 118080 118080 Swalot 117564 117564 Wailord 112608 112608 Altaria 108324 120006 Whiscash 114056 112360 Claydol 109836 120528 Kecleon 84888 120528 Tropius 116982 120600 Regirock 199472 119392 Torterra 133566 116230 Empoleon 112344 123132 Vespiquen 114552 114552 Gastrodon 109908 123114 Drifblim 103320 114408 Bronzong 123032 123032 Abomasnow 104832 113280 Magmortar 90624 112218 Gallade 85340 122740 Dusknoir 119070 119070 Tier 121 Spiritomb tier Charizard 100800 106200 Wigglytuff 100188 105512 Vileplume 104430 108324 Golduck 101920 103376 Arcanine 109056 109056 Slowbro 137900 111896 Hitmonlee 68400 106400 Hitmonchan 85728 106400 Lickitung 104832 104832 Seaking 91364 103376 Jynx 61790 105878 Jolteon 80160 105878 Typhlosion 100800 106200 Feraligatr 122672 108834 Ledian 68452 109900 Crobat 106216 106216 Togetic 92630 106446 Jumpluff 92748 104430 Sunflora 81066 104430 Espeon 80160 105878 Ursaring 104832 104832 Hitmontop 96368 106400 Miltank 133566 103228 Flygon 103376 103376 Dusclops 111896 111896 Glalie 103376 103376 Salamence 111896 111896 Metagross 143416 111384 Luxray 102648 102648 Roserade 74196 109836 Wormadam 95580 109836 Lopunny 97862 106880 Mismagius 77760 109836 Spiritomb 105184 105184 Hippowdon 154560 112140 Mantyke 64092 109368 Magnezone 124184 105264 Electivire 90624 104430 Glaceon 116900 105878 Porygon-Z 97988 102102 Phione 103376 103376 Darkrai 105264 105264 Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf Beedrill 65464 94856 Pidgeot 101010 96940 Nidoking 101748 99918 Golbat 92748 96642 Venomoth 82560 93912 Tentacool 52540 93152 Rapidash 87508 94856 Drowzee 67068 99144 Exeggutor 116230 98894 Starmie 95580 95580 Mr. Mime 71284 105648 Scyther 97696 97696 Electabuzz 78156 98530 Magmar 78156 98530 Tauros 112218 92748 Aerodactyl 91364 99372 Quagsire 116230 98894 Misdreavus 77760 95580 Dunsparce 105848 101404 Scizor 112832 97696 Piloswine 114736 96960 Octillery 96642 96642 Houndoom 77172 100536 Sceptile 86344 101480 Blaziken 95368 95368 Dustox 84888 99144 Masquerain 84280 99416 Exploud 101764 101764 Minun 70632 95580 Camerupt 90128 93912 Lunatone 86344 101480 Lileep 93408 100800 Armaldo 116112 100536 Chimecho 87508 94856 Sealeo 100608 100608 Relicanth 159176 101404 Infernape 94340 94340 Pachirisu 84888 99144 Cherrim 90128 96320 Skuntank 104960 99630 Bronzor 94764 94764 Happiny 48076 101404 Drapion 120400 93912 Toxicroak 92870 92870 Carnivine 93984 93984 Lumineon 94392 101916 Weavile 86344 101480 Rhyperior 170996 99386 Gliscor 135582 96642 Mamoswine 120416 101760 Azelf 92748 92748 Tier 119 Alakazam tier Ivysaur 80028 92016 Wartortle 91448 91448 Butterfree 70632 92016 Arbok 84240 91368 Raichu 74196 92016 Clefairy 73616 86344 Gloom 84888 88452 Parasect 92016 92016 Primeape 80160 87508 Alakazam 64998 92630 Machoke 95368 87360 Victreebel 91364 87360 Golem 143416 91364 Seel 76486 87508 Gengar 77760 88452 Electrode 84888 92016 Marowak 113400 92016 Weezing 124248 87508 Rhydon 154008 85698 Pinsir 109552 87508 Porygon 87508 91182 Omastar 131752 90128 Kabutops 109836 84888 Dragonair 81826 85412 Bayleef 92016 92016 Furret 93126 85646 Xatu 87508 87508 Sudowoodo 124184 86344 Girafarig 86344 86344 Forretress 147264 84960 Steelix 193992 88854 Granbull 104832 92160 Sneasel 71906 85722 Magcargo 113088 86336 Corsola 92630 92630 Skarmory 138944 87508 Donphan 142848 92160 Stantler 85750 87850 Pupitar 90128 90128 Marshtomp 90128 90128 Linoone 87480 87480 Lombre 70632 84888 Shiftry 92160 92160 Pelipper 106272 84888 Medicham 88452 88452 Plusle 63504 88452 Volbeat 76486 91182 Illumise 76486 91182 Roselia 62928 86336 Wailmer 85840 85840 Torkoal 143104 90128 Spoink 59940 92016 Solrock 101480 86344 Castform 90128 90128 Wynaut 84316 84316 Huntail 106446 85722 Gorebyss 106446 85722 Metang 106272 92016 Grotle 104430 88854 Prinplup 85656 91632 Bibarel 86880 86880 Rampardos 95520 86764 Shellos 76184 87220 Ambipom 89916 89916 Honchkrow 90092 90092 Lucario 90128 90128 Tangrowth 154732 88072 Yanmega 112048 87232 Froslass 90128 90128 Rotom 84512 84512 Tier 118 Staraptor tier Charmeleon 75520 80320 Raticate 75360 82268 Fearow 83834 81162 Sandslash 123900 81066 Nidorina 88064 78776 Persian 80160 83834 Magneton 96368 79648 Dodrio 84888 77760 Grimer 79352 79352 Eevee 68452 78814 Quilava 75520 80320 Croconaw 94856 82498 Ledyba 49416 80656 Ariados 90128 82560 Chinchou 67968 82128 Flaaffy 78776 82560 Skiploom 68452 78814 Gligar 113226 83834 Combusken 77760 77760 Mightyena 90128 82560 Shroomish 77760 77760 Breloom 92016 77760 Vigoroth 103376 83356 Nosepass 106920 80784 Delcatty 86344 78776 Aggron 173376 82560 Manectric 82560 82560 Gulpin 77400 77400 Spinda 77760 77760 Cacturne 82560 82560 Swablu 70560 80262 Zangoose 84000 84000 Seviper 84000 84000 Banette 83332 82004 Absol 80160 80160 Staraptor 97988 81532 Kricketune 79118 79118 Shieldon 97152 79728 Floatzel 85646 81532 Drifloon 70272 78720 Purugly 86154 82348 Gabite 85340 77860 Snover 70632 77760 Leafeon 131596 83834 Tier 117 Ninjask Tier Bulbasaur 63504 73794 Squirtle 73292 72708 Pidgeotto 75570 71940 Nidorino 76284 74654 Vulpix 54880 70280 Jigglypuff 65968 70742 Oddish 67326 73794 Venonat 70632 74196 Dugtrio 59732 71788 Poliwhirl 83834 72812 Kadabra 49416 74408 Ponyta 69616 76304 Slowpoke 96384 75264 Farfetch 70532 75460 Chikorita 73794 73794 Hoothoot 56376 75168 Marill 74992 74992 Aipom 71906 71906 Qwilfish 91182 76486 Teddiursa 70632 70632 Phanpy 92160 75264 Smoochum 41454 73794 Grovyle 62928 76304 Beautifly 70632 70632 Swellow 77760 70632 Ninjask 67482 71068 Loudred 75516 75516 Sableye 82992 76304 Lairon 134784 70632 Crawdaunt 97350 75570 Baltoy 65036 74408 Duskull 74664 74664 Spheal 74992 74992 Luvdisc 66410 72790 Shelgon 109552 72812 Turtwig 78186 71906 Monferno 74036 74036 Piplup 69750 71920 Luxio 69984 69984 Budew 52540 74408 Mothim 74992 74992 Buneary 64370 72848 Mime 50508 74664 Chatot 73692 71556 Finneon 70064 73386 Tier 116 Smeargle tier Psyduck 65056 66272 Growlithe 64998 68452 Machop 74992 63640 Weepinbell 72812 69138 Graveler 113354 64998 Haunter 60858 67326 Kingler 113354 68452 Voltorb 61912 65036 Exeggcute 92016 67068 Cubone 96368 66272 Rhyhorn 115388 63336 Tangela 120574 65464 Seadra 99538 64998 Goldeen 70560 64092 Ditto 64200 64200 Totodile 75696 65056 Cleffa 51680 69616 Togepi 68774 68774 Mareep 61544 64998 Yanma 69138 69138 Murkrow 65124 65124 Unown 64200 64200 Snubbull 70632 63504 Houndour 51156 64092 Smeargle 58090 64998 Elekid 55860 67326 Magby 55860 67326 Larvitar 66272 66272 Treecko 52540 65036 Torchic 57624 64092 Mudkip 66272 66272 Nuzleaf 67424 67424 Kirlia 51800 64120 Surskit 50836 63332 Mawile 89680 69616 Sharpedo 67424 67424 Numel 63504 67068 Vibrava 66272 66272 Anorith 64092 64092 Snorunt 66272 66272 Beldum 80656 68160 Deoxys 66272 66272 Cherubi 60858 66150 Chingling 64092 64092 Stunky 69960 65670 Gible 66240 66240 Hippopotas 95200 68340 Skorupi 86904 65036 Tier 115 Delibird tier Charmander 57246 61476 Ekans 56170 62198 Nidoran 70022 61544 Nidoran 58016 58016 Paras 62746 62746 Mankey 52540 58788 Abra 35814 58166 Magnemite 66548 58166 Cloyster 153216 62928 Koffing 90028 58788 Staryu 60456 60456 Omanyte 89872 62746 Dratini 59202 62348 Cyndaquil 57246 61476 Igglybuff 54144 58368 Natu 58788 58788 Hoppip 53704 62746 Delibird 60858 60858 Lotad 49416 61912 Slakoth 77760 59940 Makuhita 60552 60552 Azurill 59584 59584 Aron 99712 59584 Meditite 60456 60456 Trapinch 60858 60858 Cacnea 59584 59584 Barboach 61712 60496 Clamperl 80830 62746 Chimchar 59860 59860 Staravia 68452 61544 Bidoof 63112 63112 Cranidos 66248 58812 Burmy 58788 58788 Bonsly 96368 62928 Croagunk 58800 58800 Tier 114 Pikachu tier Pidgey 55664 52540 Pikachu 47676 53704 Sandshrew 89680 52896 Zubat 52540 55664 Meowth 52540 55664 Poliwag 55664 55664 Bellsprout 56240 52896 Onix 126040 56718 Kabuto 80784 54648 Sentret 50142 56718 Spinarak 55664 55664 Pineco 93024 56240 Slugma 55664 55664 Swinub 59584 52896 Zigzagoon 55720 55720 Whismur 52788 52788 Skitty 62928 56240 Electrike 55664 55664 Corphish 72790 53650 Feebas 37088 55876 Shuppet 54020 52852 Kricketot 55322 55322 Shinx 53802 53802 Combee 53064 53064 Buizel 58090 54636 Glameow 60702 57380 Riolu 55664 55664 Tier 113 Metapod tier Metapod 69616 49552 Kakuna 64092 47922 Rattata 48840 48840 Spearow 49416 50268 Geodude 93152 49416 Doduo 56718 50690 Gastly 45936 48840 Wooper 64998 51182 Remoraid 50690 50690 Tyrogue 50690 50690 Poochyena 50690 47676 Wurmple 54390 51156 Silcoon 69616 49552 Cascoon 69616 49552 Seedot 61912 49416 Taillow 49416 49416 Wingull 49416 49416 Ralts 42380 48100 Bagon 70560 51156 Starly 49416 49416 Tier 112 Diglett tier Caterpie 54390 44688 Diglett 36512 46368 Pichu 34404 45140 Sunkern 45936 45936 Nincada 81396 46284 Carvanha 44688 44688 Tier 111 Weedle tier Weedle 49416 43168 Shellder 86592 43032 Krabby 80784 43032 Horsea 69168 43032 Tier 110 Magikarp tier Magikarp 55876 37088 Shedinja 42642 35844``` Finally, the cool thing about these tiers is that Sandstorm and Intimidate, as well as various stat up/downs can be easily calculated. A 50% change is 4.25 tiers. (Bulk Up, Cosmic Power, Intimidate and Sandstorm) A 100% change is 7.3 tiers (Amnesia, Barrier) A 150% change is 9.6 tiers A 200% change is 11.5 tiers (Not Very effective and Super Effective) 250% is 13.14 tiers 300% change is 14.54 tiers (Max Amnesia) 400% change is 16.8 tiers (4x NVE or 4x Super Effective) a n% change is log_1.1(n/100 + 1) tiers That said, if two things effect each other independantly, add their changes, don't multiply. These tiers are on an exponential scale. For example, If you have Intimidate and then use Barrier, change 4.25 + 7.3 tiers == 11.55 tiers Similarly, you can go down tiers. Normal Super Effective cuts you down 11.5 tiers, while 4x effective cuts you down almost 17 tiers. Last edited by Dragontamer; Jul 10th, 2007 at 6:37:02 PM.
 Jul 10th, 2007, 5:36:37 PM #24 GRAAAGH   Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17 So if i'm understanding this right, then this is just of a show of the top 100 pokemon's (of each defense type) defensive potential? with the tiers lists showing pokemon that can wall on roughly the same level grouped together? if so, then that is awesome and thanks a bunch
 Jul 10th, 2007, 5:46:25 PM #25 Luck   Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 518 Where are Deoxys?Namely LG? Edit(I see it by beldum?) Also the top defensives types Steel,Rock have weakness to ground,fighting also with their assorted other weakness.The one main poke that avoids that curse skarmory is probably the best defense poke . Last edited by Luck; Jul 10th, 2007 at 5:50:57 PM.
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