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Max HP * Max Defense charts
EDIT: There is a new thread here. This thread is now obsolete. All the important stuff in in the previous thread. This thread here is just for historical purposes now.
The defense stat of a pokemon tells a lot. However, it doesn't tell the whole picture, as Shuckle would then be the best defensive pokemon in the game, which is certainly not true. Similarly, HP doesn't tell everything, else Blissey would be the best physical wall in the game, which is certainly not true. So what we are really looking for is the best HP * defense and the best HP * SpDefense. Not just one stat or the other. To show that this is indeed what we wish for, we start with the damage formula here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16121 (((((2 + (Level × 2 ÷ 5)) × BasePower × [Sp]Atk) ÷ [Sp]Def) ÷ 50) + 2) × CH × (rand(85,100) / 100) × STAB × Type1Effectiveness × Type2Effectiveness = damage in Hit Points Divide both sides by max hp and we get: blah blah / maxHP == damage in HP / maxHP == % damage Of which there is a lot of unnecessary clutter, but eventually we can prove from the above formulas that: ((2+(2*lvl/5)) * BasePower * (S)Atk)/ (50 * def * hp) is roughly proportional to % hp damage. There, now the general relationship basically becomes that % hp lost is just about indirectly proportional to defense * hp. So this method is mathematically sound. But before I post the list... I should note how I calculated this for those curious to repeat my results. I took the Javascript source here: http://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcdp.shtml The said file contains the statistics of all 493 pokemon in a Javascript array. I assume it is correct. From there, I parsed it into a C++ .h file and then made a program that printed the values for the list... well... kinda. I then used Gnumeric to sort the lists appropriately. And now I'm too lazy to move the names to the actual lists... but I'll put some notable pokemon's names next to their pokemon numbers. =---------------------------------- For those who skipped down to the list, here's the important tidbits: I'm assuming 252/252/252 EV spread. Yes, thats right, max EVs in both HP and Defense and Special Defense. Slightly unrealistic, but I figure it makes sense from a wall point of view. Also, I'm assuming 31 IVs. I doubt this will change much in the ways of calculations. Top 100 defense * hp pokemon. Pokemon number | Defense*hp | Special Defense * hp Code:
Regirock 199472 119392 Steelix 193992 88854 Giratina 187488 187488 Aggron 173376 82560 Rhyperior 170996 99386 Groudon 168064 123624 Slaking 165312 126504 Arceus 165168 165168 Cresselia 165168 174936 Lugia 163904 185952 Registeel 159432 159432 Relicanth 159176 101404 Bastiodon 154872 133488 Tangrowth 154732 88072 Hippowdon 154560 112140 Rhydon 154008 85698 Cloyster 153216 62928 Dialga 150288 132512 Shuckle 149816 149816 Regigigas 148400 148400 Forretress 147264 84960 Suicune 145844 145844 Golem 143416 91364 Metagross 143416 111384 Torkoal 143104 90128 Donphan 142848 92160 Tyranitar 141400 132512 Uxie 139476 139476 Skarmory 138944 87508 Probopass 138348 141912 Slowbro 137900 111896 Umbreon 137900 155236 Wobbuffet 137824 137824 Gliscor 135582 96642 Lairon 134784 70632 Lickilicky 134408 134408 Miltank 133566 103228 Torterra 133566 116230 Garchomp 133140 123900 Celebi 132512 132512 Jirachi 132512 132512 Manaphy 132512 132512 Mew 132512 132512 Shaymin 132512 132512 Heatran 132012 132012 Lapras 131776 147088 Omastar 131752 90128 Leafeon 131596 83834 Snorlax 131524 183400 Walrein 129744 129744 Entei 128030 118482 Ho 127296 185952 Mewtwo 127296 127296 Rayquaza 126684 126684 Onix 126040 56718 Articuno 125952 147072 Palkia 125952 142848 Weezing 124248 87508 Magnezone 124184 105264 Sudowoodo 124184 86344 Sandslash 123900 81066 Kyogre 123624 168064 Swampert 123624 123624 Mesprit 123396 123396 Bronzong 123032 123032 Feraligatr 122672 108834 Dragonite 122362 126608 Poliwrath 121728 117504 Cradily 121072 129344 Tangela 120574 65464 Mamoswine 120416 101760 Drapion 120400 93912 Meganium 119392 119392 Regice 119392 199472 Dusknoir 119070 119070 Blastoise 118736 122718 Togekiss 118558 135014 Hariyama 118080 118080 Kangaskhan 117576 117576 Swalot 117564 117564 Moltres 117504 113280 Tropius 116982 120600 Glaceon 116900 105878 Exeggutor 116230 98894 Quagsire 116230 98894 Armaldo 116112 100536 Rhyhorn 115388 63336 Nidoqueen 115200 113280 Azumarill 114736 114736 Piloswine 114736 96960 Vespiquen 114552 114552 Porygon2 114444 118558 Whiscash 114056 112360 Marowak 113400 92016 Graveler 113354 64998 Kingler 113354 68452 Zapdos 113280 117504 Gligar 113226 83834 Magcargo 113088 86336 Muk 113022 135792 Scizor 112832 97696 Wailord 112608 112608 Empoleon 112344 123132 Kingdra 112218 112218 Tauros 112218 92748 Yanmega 112048 87232 Dusclops 111896 111896 Salamence 111896 111896 Slowking 111896 137900 Latias 111384 143416 Vaporeon 111360 147088 Gyarados 111108 129232 Milotic 111108 150902 Gastrodon 109908 123114 Claydol 109836 120528 Kabutops 109836 84888 Pinsir 109552 87508 Shelgon 109552 72812 Arcanine 109056 109056 Dewgong 109056 121728 Machamp 109056 113280 Altaria 108324 120006 Lanturn 107144 125304 Nosepass 106920 80784 Gorebyss 106446 85722 Huntail 106446 85722 Metang 106272 92016 Pelipper 106272 84888 Crobat 106216 106216 Clefable 105986 120564 Venusaur 105924 119392 Dunsparce 105848 101404 Darkrai 105264 105264 Spiritomb 105184 105184 Skuntank 104960 99630 Abomasnow 104832 113280 Ampharos 104832 117504 Granbull 104832 92160 Lickitung 104832 104832 Politoed 104832 125952 Raikou 104832 125952 Ursaring 104832 104832 Bellossom 104430 116112 Grotle 104430 88854 Vileplume 104430 108324 Flygon 103376 103376 Glalie 103376 103376 Latios 103376 127400 Phione 103376 103376 Vigoroth 103376 83356 Drifblim 103320 114408 Luxray 102648 102648 Golduck 101920 103376 Exploud 101764 101764 Nidoking 101748 99918 Solrock 101480 86344 Pidgeot 101010 96940 Charizard 100800 106200 Typhlosion 100800 106200 Sealeo 100608 100608 Wigglytuff 100188 105512 Aron 99712 59584 Seadra 99538 64998 Heracross 99372 115388 Hypno 97988 135014 Porygon 97988 102102 Staraptor 97988 81532 Lopunny 97862 106880 Scyther 97696 97696 Crawdaunt 97350 75570 Shieldon 97152 79728 Octillery 96642 96642 Slowpoke 96384 75264 Bonsly 96368 62928 Cubone 96368 66272 Hitmontop 96368 106400 Magneton 96368 79648 Starmie 95580 95580 Wormadam 95580 109836 Ninetales 95550 114800 Rampardos 95520 86764 Blaziken 95368 95368 Ludicolo 95368 119392 Machoke 95368 87360 Hippopotas 95200 68340 Croconaw 94856 82498 Bronzor 94764 94764 Lumineon 94392 101916 Infernape 94340 94340 Carnivine 93984 93984 Lileep 93408 100800 Geodude 93152 49416 Furret 93126 85646 Pineco 93024 56240 Munchlax 92904 139830 Toxicroak 92870 92870 Blissey 92820 289170 Azelf 92748 92748 Golbat 92748 96642 Jumpluff 92748 104430 Corsola 92630 92630 Togetic 92630 106446 Phanpy 92160 75264 Shiftry 92160 92160 Bayleef 92016 92016 Breloom 92016 77760 Exeggcute 92016 67068 Parasect 92016 92016 Wartortle 91448 91448 Aerodactyl 91364 99372 Grumpig 91364 127400 Seaking 91364 103376 Tentacruel 91364 135408 Victreebel 91364 87360 Qwilfish 91182 76486 Electivire 90624 104430 Magmortar 90624 112218 Ariados 90128 82560 Camerupt 90128 93912 Castform 90128 90128 Cherrim 90128 96320 Froslass 90128 90128 Lucario 90128 90128 Marshtomp 90128 90128 Mightyena 90128 82560 Pupitar 90128 90128 Honchkrow 90092 90092 Koffing 90028 58788 Ambipom 89916 89916 Omanyte 89872 62746 Mawile 89680 69616 Sandshrew 89680 52896 Medicham 88452 88452 Noctowl 88072 129280 Nidorina 88064 78776 Chimecho 87508 94856 Mantine 87508 138944 Porygon 87508 91182 Rapidash 87508 94856 Xatu 87508 87508 Linoone 87480 87480 Skorupi 86904 65036 Bibarel 86880 86880 Shellder 86592 43032 Delcatty 86344 78776 Girafarig 86344 86344 Lunatone 86344 101480 Sceptile 86344 101480 Weavile 86344 101480 Purugly 86154 82348 Wailmer 85840 85840 Stantler 85750 87850 Hitmonchan 85728 106400 Prinplup 85656 91632 Floatzel 85646 81532 Gabite 85340 77860 Gallade 85340 122740 Gardevoir 85340 122740 Dodrio 84888 77760 Dustox 84888 99144 Electrode 84888 92016 Gloom 84888 88452 Kecleon 84888 120528 Pachirisu 84888 99144 Rotom 84512 84512 Wynaut 84316 84316 Masquerain 84280 99416 Arbok 84240 91368 Seviper 84000 84000 Zangoose 84000 84000 Fearow 83834 81162 Poliwhirl 83834 72812 Chansey 83776 238656 Banette 83332 82004 Sableye 82992 76304 Cacturne 82560 82560 Manectric 82560 82560 Venomoth 82560 93912 Dragonair 81826 85412 Nincada 81396 46284 Sunflora 81066 104430 Clamperl 80830 62746 Kabuto 80784 54648 Krabby 80784 43032 Beldum 80656 68160 Absol 80160 80160 Espeon 80160 105878 Flareon 80160 116900 Jolteon 80160 105878 Persian 80160 83834 Primeape 80160 87508 Ivysaur 80028 92016 Grimer 79352 79352 Kricketune 79118 79118 Flaaffy 78776 82560 Turtwig 78186 71906 Electabuzz 78156 98530 Magmar 78156 98530 Combusken 77760 77760 Gengar 77760 88452 Misdreavus 77760 95580 Mismagius 77760 109836 Shroomish 77760 77760 Slakoth 77760 59940 Spinda 77760 77760 Swellow 77760 70632 Gulpin 77400 77400 Houndoom 77172 100536 Illumise 76486 91182 Seel 76486 87508 Volbeat 76486 91182 Nidorino 76284 74654 Shellos 76184 87220 Totodile 75696 65056 Pidgeotto 75570 71940 Charmeleon 75520 80320 Quilava 75520 80320 Loudred 75516 75516 Raticate 75360 82268 Machop 74992 63640 Marill 74992 74992 Mothim 74992 74992 Spheal 74992 74992 Duskull 74664 74664 Raichu 74196 92016 Roserade 74196 109836 Monferno 74036 74036 Chikorita 73794 73794 Chatot 73692 71556 Clefairy 73616 86344 Squirtle 73292 72708 Weepinbell 72812 69138 Corphish 72790 53650 Aipom 71906 71906 Sneasel 71906 85722 Mr 71284 105648 Beautifly 70632 70632 Butterfree 70632 92016 Lombre 70632 84888 Minun 70632 95580 Snover 70632 77760 Snubbull 70632 63504 Teddiursa 70632 70632 Venonat 70632 74196 Bagon 70560 51156 Goldeen 70560 64092 Swablu 70560 80262 Farfetch 70532 75460 Drifloon 70272 78720 Finneon 70064 73386 Nidoran 70022 61544 Luxio 69984 69984 Stunky 69960 65670 Piplup 69750 71920 Cascoon 69616 49552 Metapod 69616 49552 Ponyta 69616 76304 Silcoon 69616 49552 Horsea 69168 43032 Yanma 69138 69138 Togepi 68774 68774 Eevee 68452 78814 Ledian 68452 109900 Skiploom 68452 78814 Staravia 68452 61544 Hitmonlee 68400 106400 Chinchou 67968 82128 Ninjask 67482 71068 Nuzleaf 67424 67424 Sharpedo 67424 67424 Oddish 67326 73794 Drowzee 67068 99144 Magnemite 66548 58166 Luvdisc 66410 72790 Deoxys 66272 66272 Larvitar 66272 66272 Mudkip 66272 66272 Snorunt 66272 66272 Vibrava 66272 66272 Cranidos 66248 58812 Gible 66240 66240 Jigglypuff 65968 70742 Beedrill 65464 94856 Murkrow 65124 65124 Psyduck 65056 66272 Baltoy 65036 74408 Alakazam 64998 92630 Growlithe 64998 68452 Wooper 64998 51182 Buneary 64370 72848 Ditto 64200 64200 Unown 64200 64200 Anorith 64092 64092 Chingling 64092 64092 Kakuna 64092 47922 Mantyke 64092 109368 Bulbasaur 63504 73794 Numel 63504 67068 Plusle 63504 88452 Bidoof 63112 63112 Grovyle 62928 76304 Roselia 62928 86336 Skitty 62928 56240 Paras 62746 62746 Seedot 61912 49416 Voltorb 61912 65036 Jynx 61790 105878 Barboach 61712 60496 Mareep 61544 64998 Cherubi 60858 66150 Delibird 60858 60858 Haunter 60858 67326 Trapinch 60858 60858 Glameow 60702 57380 Makuhita 60552 60552 Meditite 60456 60456 Staryu 60456 60456 Spoink 59940 92016 Chimchar 59860 59860 Dugtrio 59732 71788 Azurill 59584 59584 Cacnea 59584 59584 Swinub 59584 52896 Dratini 59202 62348 Croagunk 58800 58800 Burmy 58788 58788 Natu 58788 58788 Buizel 58090 54636 Smeargle 58090 64998 Nidoran 58016 58016 Torchic 57624 64092 Charmander 57246 61476 Cyndaquil 57246 61476 Doduo 56718 50690 Hoothoot 56376 75168 Bellsprout 56240 52896 Ekans 56170 62198 Magikarp 55876 37088 Elekid 55860 67326 Magby 55860 67326 Zigzagoon 55720 55720 Electrike 55664 55664 Pidgey 55664 52540 Poliwag 55664 55664 Riolu 55664 55664 Slugma 55664 55664 Spinarak 55664 55664 Kricketot 55322 55322 Vulpix 54880 70280 Caterpie 54390 44688 Wurmple 54390 51156 Igglybuff 54144 58368 Shuppet 54020 52852 Shinx 53802 53802 Hoppip 53704 62746 Combee 53064 53064 Whismur 52788 52788 Budew 52540 74408 Mankey 52540 58788 Meowth 52540 55664 Tentacool 52540 93152 Treecko 52540 65036 Zubat 52540 55664 Kirlia 51800 64120 Cleffa 51680 69616 Houndour 51156 64092 Surskit 50836 63332 Poochyena 50690 47676 Remoraid 50690 50690 Tyrogue 50690 50690 Mime 50508 74664 Sentret 50142 56718 Kadabra 49416 74408 Ledyba 49416 80656 Lotad 49416 61912 Spearow 49416 50268 Starly 49416 49416 Taillow 49416 49416 Weedle 49416 43168 Wingull 49416 49416 Rattata 48840 48840 Happiny 48076 101404 Pikachu 47676 53704 Gastly 45936 48840 Sunkern 45936 45936 Carvanha 44688 44688 Shedinja 42642 35844 Ralts 42380 48100 Smoochum 41454 73794 Feebas 37088 55876 Diglett 36512 46368 Abra 35814 58166 Pichu 34404 45140 EDIT: Major bug found in the defense list. The entire list is worthless. However, the Special List passes the sanity test: Blissey is indeed the #1 special wall in the game. :-/ EDIT2: Bug fixed... I think. Defense has changed as well as Special Defense. Top 100 Special Defense * HP pokemon. Same format as above... Pokemon Number, Physical Defense, and then Special Defense. Code:
Blissey 92820 289170 Chansey 83776 238656 Regice 119392 199472 Giratina 187488 187488 Ho 127296 185952 Lugia 163904 185952 Snorlax 131524 183400 Cresselia 165168 174936 Kyogre 123624 168064 Arceus 165168 165168 Registeel 159432 159432 Umbreon 137900 155236 Milotic 111108 150902 Shuckle 149816 149816 Regigigas 148400 148400 Lapras 131776 147088 Vaporeon 111360 147088 Articuno 125952 147072 Suicune 145844 145844 Latias 111384 143416 Palkia 125952 142848 Probopass 138348 141912 Munchlax 92904 139830 Uxie 139476 139476 Mantine 87508 138944 Slowking 111896 137900 Wobbuffet 137824 137824 Muk 113022 135792 Tentacruel 91364 135408 Hypno 97988 135014 Togekiss 118558 135014 Lickilicky 134408 134408 Bastiodon 154872 133488 Celebi 132512 132512 Dialga 150288 132512 Jirachi 132512 132512 Manaphy 132512 132512 Mew 132512 132512 Shaymin 132512 132512 Tyranitar 141400 132512 Heatran 132012 132012 Walrein 129744 129744 Cradily 121072 129344 Noctowl 88072 129280 Gyarados 111108 129232 Grumpig 91364 127400 Latios 103376 127400 Mewtwo 127296 127296 Rayquaza 126684 126684 Dragonite 122362 126608 Slaking 165312 126504 Politoed 104832 125952 Raikou 104832 125952 Lanturn 107144 125304 Garchomp 133140 123900 Groudon 168064 123624 Swampert 123624 123624 Mesprit 123396 123396 Empoleon 112344 123132 Gastrodon 109908 123114 Bronzong 123032 123032 Gallade 85340 122740 Gardevoir 85340 122740 Blastoise 118736 122718 Dewgong 109056 121728 Tropius 116982 120600 Clefable 105986 120564 Claydol 109836 120528 Kecleon 84888 120528 Altaria 108324 120006 Ludicolo 95368 119392 Meganium 119392 119392 Regirock 199472 119392 Venusaur 105924 119392 Dusknoir 119070 119070 Porygon2 114444 118558 Entei 128030 118482 Hariyama 118080 118080 Kangaskhan 117576 117576 Swalot 117564 117564 Ampharos 104832 117504 Poliwrath 121728 117504 Zapdos 113280 117504 Flareon 80160 116900 Torterra 133566 116230 Bellossom 104430 116112 Heracross 99372 115388 Ninetales 95550 114800 Azumarill 114736 114736 Vespiquen 114552 114552 Drifblim 103320 114408 Abomasnow 104832 113280 Machamp 109056 113280 Moltres 117504 113280 Nidoqueen 115200 113280 Wailord 112608 112608 Whiscash 114056 112360 Kingdra 112218 112218 Magmortar 90624 112218 Hippowdon 154560 112140 Dusclops 111896 111896 Salamence 111896 111896 Slowbro 137900 111896 Metagross 143416 111384 Ledian 68452 109900 Mismagius 77760 109836 Roserade 74196 109836 Wormadam 95580 109836 Mantyke 64092 109368 Arcanine 109056 109056 Feraligatr 122672 108834 Vileplume 104430 108324 Lopunny 97862 106880 Togetic 92630 106446 Hitmonchan 85728 106400 Hitmonlee 68400 106400 Hitmontop 96368 106400 Crobat 106216 106216 Charizard 100800 106200 Typhlosion 100800 106200 Espeon 80160 105878 Glaceon 116900 105878 Jolteon 80160 105878 Jynx 61790 105878 Mr 71284 105648 Wigglytuff 100188 105512 Darkrai 105264 105264 Magnezone 124184 105264 Spiritomb 105184 105184 Lickitung 104832 104832 Ursaring 104832 104832 Electivire 90624 104430 Jumpluff 92748 104430 Sunflora 81066 104430 Flygon 103376 103376 Glalie 103376 103376 Golduck 101920 103376 Phione 103376 103376 Seaking 91364 103376 Miltank 133566 103228 Luxray 102648 102648 Porygon 97988 102102 Lumineon 94392 101916 Exploud 101764 101764 Mamoswine 120416 101760 Lunatone 86344 101480 Sceptile 86344 101480 Weavile 86344 101480 Dunsparce 105848 101404 Happiny 48076 101404 Relicanth 159176 101404 Lileep 93408 100800 Sealeo 100608 100608 Armaldo 116112 100536 Houndoom 77172 100536 Nidoking 101748 99918 Skuntank 104960 99630 Masquerain 84280 99416 Rhyperior 170996 99386 Aerodactyl 91364 99372 Drowzee 67068 99144 Dustox 84888 99144 Pachirisu 84888 99144 Exeggutor 116230 98894 Quagsire 116230 98894 Electabuzz 78156 98530 Magmar 78156 98530 Scizor 112832 97696 Scyther 97696 97696 Piloswine 114736 96960 Pidgeot 101010 96940 Gliscor 135582 96642 Golbat 92748 96642 Octillery 96642 96642 Cherrim 90128 96320 Minun 70632 95580 Misdreavus 77760 95580 Starmie 95580 95580 Blaziken 95368 95368 Beedrill 65464 94856 Chimecho 87508 94856 Rapidash 87508 94856 Bronzor 94764 94764 Infernape 94340 94340 Carnivine 93984 93984 Camerupt 90128 93912 Drapion 120400 93912 Venomoth 82560 93912 Tentacool 52540 93152 Toxicroak 92870 92870 Azelf 92748 92748 Tauros 112218 92748 Alakazam 64998 92630 Corsola 92630 92630 Donphan 142848 92160 Granbull 104832 92160 Shiftry 92160 92160 Bayleef 92016 92016 Butterfree 70632 92016 Electrode 84888 92016 Ivysaur 80028 92016 Marowak 113400 92016 Metang 106272 92016 Parasect 92016 92016 Raichu 74196 92016 Spoink 59940 92016 Prinplup 85656 91632 Wartortle 91448 91448 Arbok 84240 91368 Golem 143416 91364 Illumise 76486 91182 Porygon 87508 91182 Volbeat 76486 91182 Castform 90128 90128 Froslass 90128 90128 Lucario 90128 90128 Marshtomp 90128 90128 Omastar 131752 90128 Pupitar 90128 90128 Torkoal 143104 90128 Honchkrow 90092 90092 Ambipom 89916 89916 Grotle 104430 88854 Steelix 193992 88854 Gengar 77760 88452 Gloom 84888 88452 Medicham 88452 88452 Plusle 63504 88452 Tangrowth 154732 88072 Stantler 85750 87850 Pinsir 109552 87508 Primeape 80160 87508 Seel 76486 87508 Skarmory 138944 87508 Weezing 124248 87508 Xatu 87508 87508 Linoone 87480 87480 Machoke 95368 87360 Victreebel 91364 87360 Yanmega 112048 87232 Shellos 76184 87220 Bibarel 86880 86880 Rampardos 95520 86764 Clefairy 73616 86344 Girafarig 86344 86344 Solrock 101480 86344 Sudowoodo 124184 86344 Magcargo 113088 86336 Roselia 62928 86336 Wailmer 85840 85840 Gorebyss 106446 85722 Huntail 106446 85722 Sneasel 71906 85722 Rhydon 154008 85698 Furret 93126 85646 Dragonair 81826 85412 Forretress 147264 84960 Kabutops 109836 84888 Lombre 70632 84888 Pelipper 106272 84888 Rotom 84512 84512 Wynaut 84316 84316 Seviper 84000 84000 Zangoose 84000 84000 Gligar 113226 83834 Leafeon 131596 83834 Persian 80160 83834 Vigoroth 103376 83356 Aggron 173376 82560 Ariados 90128 82560 Cacturne 82560 82560 Flaaffy 78776 82560 Manectric 82560 82560 Mightyena 90128 82560 Croconaw 94856 82498 Purugly 86154 82348 Raticate 75360 82268 Chinchou 67968 82128 Banette 83332 82004 Floatzel 85646 81532 Staraptor 97988 81532 Fearow 83834 81162 Sandslash 123900 81066 Nosepass 106920 80784 Ledyba 49416 80656 Charmeleon 75520 80320 Quilava 75520 80320 Swablu 70560 80262 Absol 80160 80160 Shieldon 97152 79728 Magneton 96368 79648 Grimer 79352 79352 Kricketune 79118 79118 Eevee 68452 78814 Skiploom 68452 78814 Delcatty 86344 78776 Nidorina 88064 78776 Drifloon 70272 78720 Gabite 85340 77860 Breloom 92016 77760 Combusken 77760 77760 Dodrio 84888 77760 Shroomish 77760 77760 Snover 70632 77760 Spinda 77760 77760 Gulpin 77400 77400 Qwilfish 91182 76486 Grovyle 62928 76304 Ponyta 69616 76304 Sableye 82992 76304 Crawdaunt 97350 75570 Loudred 75516 75516 Farfetch 70532 75460 Phanpy 92160 75264 Slowpoke 96384 75264 Hoothoot 56376 75168 Marill 74992 74992 Mothim 74992 74992 Spheal 74992 74992 Duskull 74664 74664 Mime 50508 74664 Nidorino 76284 74654 Baltoy 65036 74408 Budew 52540 74408 Kadabra 49416 74408 Venonat 70632 74196 Monferno 74036 74036 Bulbasaur 63504 73794 Chikorita 73794 73794 Oddish 67326 73794 Smoochum 41454 73794 Finneon 70064 73386 Buneary 64370 72848 Poliwhirl 83834 72812 Shelgon 109552 72812 Luvdisc 66410 72790 Squirtle 73292 72708 Pidgeotto 75570 71940 Piplup 69750 71920 Aipom 71906 71906 Turtwig 78186 71906 Dugtrio 59732 71788 Chatot 73692 71556 Ninjask 67482 71068 Jigglypuff 65968 70742 Beautifly 70632 70632 Lairon 134784 70632 Swellow 77760 70632 Teddiursa 70632 70632 Vulpix 54880 70280 Luxio 69984 69984 Cleffa 51680 69616 Mawile 89680 69616 Weepinbell 72812 69138 Yanma 69138 69138 Togepi 68774 68774 Growlithe 64998 68452 Kingler 113354 68452 Hippopotas 95200 68340 Beldum 80656 68160 Nuzleaf 67424 67424 Sharpedo 67424 67424 Elekid 55860 67326 Haunter 60858 67326 Magby 55860 67326 Exeggcute 92016 67068 Numel 63504 67068 Cubone 96368 66272 Deoxys 66272 66272 Larvitar 66272 66272 Mudkip 66272 66272 Psyduck 65056 66272 Snorunt 66272 66272 Vibrava 66272 66272 Gible 66240 66240 Cherubi 60858 66150 Stunky 69960 65670 Tangela 120574 65464 Murkrow 65124 65124 Totodile 75696 65056 Skorupi 86904 65036 Treecko 52540 65036 Voltorb 61912 65036 Graveler 113354 64998 Mareep 61544 64998 Seadra 99538 64998 Smeargle 58090 64998 Ditto 64200 64200 Unown 64200 64200 Kirlia 51800 64120 Anorith 64092 64092 Chingling 64092 64092 Goldeen 70560 64092 Houndour 51156 64092 Torchic 57624 64092 Machop 74992 63640 Snubbull 70632 63504 Rhyhorn 115388 63336 Surskit 50836 63332 Bidoof 63112 63112 Bonsly 96368 62928 Cloyster 153216 62928 Clamperl 80830 62746 Hoppip 53704 62746 Omanyte 89872 62746 Paras 62746 62746 Dratini 59202 62348 Ekans 56170 62198 Lotad 49416 61912 Nidoran 70022 61544 Staravia 68452 61544 Charmander 57246 61476 Cyndaquil 57246 61476 Delibird 60858 60858 Trapinch 60858 60858 Makuhita 60552 60552 Barboach 61712 60496 Meditite 60456 60456 Staryu 60456 60456 Slakoth 77760 59940 Chimchar 59860 59860 Aron 99712 59584 Azurill 59584 59584 Cacnea 59584 59584 Cranidos 66248 58812 Croagunk 58800 58800 Burmy 58788 58788 Koffing 90028 58788 Mankey 52540 58788 Natu 58788 58788 Igglybuff 54144 58368 Abra 35814 58166 Magnemite 66548 58166 Nidoran 58016 58016 Glameow 60702 57380 Onix 126040 56718 Sentret 50142 56718 Pineco 93024 56240 Skitty 62928 56240 Feebas 37088 55876 Zigzagoon 55720 55720 Electrike 55664 55664 Meowth 52540 55664 Poliwag 55664 55664 Riolu 55664 55664 Slugma 55664 55664 Spinarak 55664 55664 Zubat 52540 55664 Kricketot 55322 55322 Kabuto 80784 54648 Buizel 58090 54636 Shinx 53802 53802 Pikachu 47676 53704 Corphish 72790 53650 Combee 53064 53064 Bellsprout 56240 52896 Sandshrew 89680 52896 Swinub 59584 52896 Shuppet 54020 52852 Whismur 52788 52788 Pidgey 55664 52540 Wooper 64998 51182 Bagon 70560 51156 Wurmple 54390 51156 Doduo 56718 50690 Remoraid 50690 50690 Tyrogue 50690 50690 Spearow 49416 50268 Cascoon 69616 49552 Metapod 69616 49552 Silcoon 69616 49552 Geodude 93152 49416 Seedot 61912 49416 Starly 49416 49416 Taillow 49416 49416 Wingull 49416 49416 Gastly 45936 48840 Rattata 48840 48840 Ralts 42380 48100 Kakuna 64092 47922 Poochyena 50690 47676 Diglett 36512 46368 Nincada 81396 46284 Sunkern 45936 45936 Pichu 34404 45140 Carvanha 44688 44688 Caterpie 54390 44688 Weedle 49416 43168 Horsea 69168 43032 Krabby 80784 43032 Shellder 86592 43032 Magikarp 55876 37088 Shedinja 42642 35844 Okay, thats that. 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This is great, good job. However, I'm not getting the same results. Are you simply multiplying HP Stat * Defensive Stat? For example, this is what I get if I do that with Girantina:
504 HP (Max) * 339 Def (Max, Neutral Nature) = 170856 While instead, you got 165168. So, how are you exactly calculating the stat? Maybe there is a mistake somewhere!
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Crap. Time to pull the calculators out to see where this bug is...
At least I know it effected all pokemon equally. So :-p Anyway, I figured it out. All values are 1.1 times larger than they should be. I forgot that HP don't get effected by natures, and if they did you wouldn't want it on HP but instead on Defense :-p So anyway, these values are all proportinally correct. Again, it assumes +nature in defense/s. defense, max EVs in all 3 stats, and erm... + nature in HP >.> I'll fix that later... but really, it doesn't effect the list so it is on a low priority. |
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Taken Defense list down. Thanks for catching that bug. I'll fix it in the morning. But now... I need sleep.
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Here's an old PM I have saved from a long time ago (before English DP)... The "stat" he's referring to at the start is
HP / ( 1 / Def + 1 / SDef ) Blue Yellow Red: anyway obi Blue Yellow Red: i calculated that stat for all the DP pokemon Blue Yellow Red: it is somewhat interesting what the results are Blue Yellow Red: (Giradina) 115% (Lugia*) 109% (Kureseria) 105% (Aruseus*) 102% 1. Registeel 100% 2. Regirock/Regice 97% 4. Shuckle 96% (Ho-oh*) 96% 5. Snorlax 95% 6. Blissey* 93% (Regigigas) 91% 7. Umbreon* 91% 8. Toridepusu 90% 9. Suicune 90% (Groudon/Kyogre) 90% (Deoxys(LG)*) 88% 10. Dainoosu 88% 11. Slaking* 88% (Diaruga) 87% (Yukishii) 87% 12. Lapras 84% 13. Articuno* 84% 14. Tyranitar 84% (Wobbuffet) 84% (Parukia) 83% 15. Beruberuto 82% 16. Kabarudon* 81% (Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Manaphy/Sheimi) 81% (Hiidoran) 81% 17. Steelix 80% 18. Dosaidon 80% 19. Milotic* 80% 20. Walrein 78% * means that it learns a move that restores 50% of its HP Obi: SOmething finally beats Lugia Blue Yellow Red: its that awesome 500 HP Blue Yellow Red: i think kabarudon Obi: lol Blue Yellow Red: is going to be on every team Obi: Registeel Obi: You said you use max stats? Blue Yellow Red: i maximize the value Blue Yellow Red: with the 510 EV's Blue Yellow Red: plus a nature Obi: ah Blue Yellow Red: i wrote a program to do that Obi: That would take a while to do by hand. Blue Yellow Red: and i also took that spreadsheet posted at smogon forums Obi: Especially guys like Smogon Obi: lol Obi: Especially guys like Snorlax, I mean Blue Yellow Red: and put it into that Blue Yellow Red: yes it does Obi: What are these % in terms of? Blue Yellow Red: what is interesting is how on pokemon like blissey Obi: Because I get regular numbers. Obi: 76695.631436314363143631436314363 Obi: For Lugia Blue Yellow Red: it actually should have max HP and max def Blue Yellow Red: oh Blue Yellow Red: yes Blue Yellow Red: you should Blue Yellow Red: i did physical resistance Blue Yellow Red: special resitance Blue Yellow Red: and that statistic Obi: Blissey does best overall with Max Def and SDef, I thought Blue Yellow Red: all in relation to the highest non-uber pokemon Obi: Ah, so Registeel was just made number 1. :) Blue Yellow Red: yes Blue Yellow Red: when i did my special defense stat Blue Yellow Red: it was weird Blue Yellow Red: because it was blissey: 100% Blue Yellow Red: and everyhing else < 70% Obi: lol Obi: I would have thought Regice would be at like 80% Blue Yellow Red: 1. Blissey* 100% 2. Regice 69% (Giradina) 65% (Lugia*/Ho-oh*) 64% 3. Snorlax 63% (Kureseria) 60% (Kyogre) 58% (Aruseus*) 57% 4. Registeel 55% 5. Umbreon* 54% 6. Milotic* 52% 7. Shuckle 52% (Regigigas) 51% 8. Lapras/Vaporeon 51% 9. Articuno* 51% 10. Suicune 50% (Latias*) 50% (Parukia) 49% 11.Dainoosu 49% (Deoxys(LG)*) 48% (Yukishii) 48% 12. Mantine 48% 13. Slowking* 48% 14. Wobbuffet 48% 15. Muk 47% 16. Tentacruel 47% 17. Hypno/Togekiss* 47% 18. Beruberuto 46% 19. Toridepusu 46% 20. Tyranitar/(Mew*/Celebi*/Jirachi/Diaruga/Manaphy/Sheimi) 46% Obi: lol Obi: This is for what EVs? Obi: 4 HP 252 SDef Calm? Obi: Or 252 both? Blue Yellow Red: 252 both Blue Yellow Red: with the state of defense being so much better Blue Yellow Red: we are in for a special dominated generation Obi: Does it go something like Regirock, Groudon, Forretress, Deoxys-L, Skarmory for that Blue Yellow Red: no Blue Yellow Red: skarmory is #20 out of non-ubers Blue Yellow Red: lol Blue Yellow Red: i was quite surprised Obi: Those resistances are pretty nice, I guess Obi: That means Deoxys-L is also down there Obi: Since it's takes about the same from Rock attacks as Skarmory with a 252 / 252 Spread Blue Yellow Red: tyranitar is higher Blue Yellow Red: 1. Regirock 100% 2. Steelix 97% (Giradina) 94% 4. Aggron 87% 5. Dosaidon 86% (Groudon) 84% 6. Slaking 83% (Aruseus/Kureseria) 83% (Lugia) 82% 7. Registeel 80% 8. Relicanth 80% 9. Toridepusu 78% 10. Mojanbo 78% 11. Kabarudon* 77% 12. Cloyster 77% (Diaruga) 75% 13. Shuckle 75% (Regigigas) 74% 14. Forretress 74% 15. Suicune 73% 16. Golem***tagross 72% 17. Torkoal 72% 18. Donphan 72% 19. Tyranitar 71% (Deoxys(LG)*) 70% (Yukishii) 70% 20. Skarmory* 70% Blue Yellow Red: yeah Blue Yellow Red: its a fraction of a percentage point Blue Yellow Red: above skarmory Obi: Ah, forgot about Steelix and Aggron Blue Yellow Red: kabarudon is at 77% Blue Yellow Red: let's see whats good about it Blue Yellow Red: its got sand stream Blue Yellow Red: a mono ground typing Blue Yellow Red: slack off! Obviously none of this takes the Sandstorm Special Defense boost, various traits, or anything else like that into account, but yeah. His comment about Blissey having 252 HP and 252 Def also makes me wonder just how accurate that script was for optimizing defense, because 252 Def 252 SDef 4 HP gives higher overall defenses for Blissey.
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This is an excellent resource, I've linked to it in the D/P information/resource sticky.
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This lend some credit to my Deoxy LG vs Cresselia argument.Which I will save for another day.
Interesting stuff .What stand for me is Tangrowth defensively and Snorlax on the special defensive side.If you can find two useful moves for Snorlax rest +sleep talk set you could have sort of a poor man cresselia. |
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Ah yes, this is awesome. I had one of these for Advance from Uiru, finally a DP one too. Thanks!
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What is most telling to me is that Skarmory, the "standard physical wall" of the game... at least in Advance before Roost was avaliable... now has many options, including Forretress who only has a 4x Fire Weakness.
Also, shuckle's abysmal performance is highlighted even more here. I mean for crying out loud, it isn't even the general wall in the game, Cresslia beats it in both categories. |
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All the more reason to use Registeel as my Specsmence counter
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There's also the fact that the cool, new sweepers and things are all physical, as well as one of the easiest competitive pokemon to obtain and train: Gyarados. I think it's because Azelf looks lame. Physical dudes just LOOK badass, this is the most important thing in Pokemon! |
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Edit: I realize Skarmory and other Pokemon have more/different resistances, moves, etc., but it makes no sense that this list should be evidence for it being terrible, based only on the defense stats. How well it actually works is another discussion entirely. Or not. Last edited by Yashichi; Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:18:19 PM. |
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This is a pretty cool resource, thanks for putting the work into it.
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It made me smile when I saw Slaking #7 on the defense list. It's easy to forget its awesome 150 HP and 100 Def!
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Very nice research; great thread!
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Hmm, it seems like I'll have to reformat the data later. The vast majority of pokemon take hits similarly... even though they may be separated by several dozen pokemon. For example, Arcanine vs Heracross is only a 10% difference in physical damage. Certainly notable... but with a difference in ranking of 45 pokemon, you may overestimate the difference.
On the other hand, a difference of 45 pokemon starting from Regirock down to Mew/Shaymin/Manaphy is a difference of some 50%. Thats how much choice-items boost someone's attack. What I'm saying is... don't be fooled by the formatting. Just because pokemon are close together, don't assume they will be similar in combat. I mean, Chansey is #2 in Special Defense compared to Blissey, and I'm sure everyone knows how much that evolution helped Chansey. I think formatting this on an exponential scale or some kind of tier list will tell things better than instead of just listing the rankings. With that said, think before you conclude something here. |
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I took my own advice and created the exponential tier list. The tier number is the floor(log_1.1(value)) . Essentially, every tier is a group of pokemon that are within 10% of each other's defense*hp value. So the Sweeper Tier for instance contains Infernape, Starmie, PorygonZ and Azelf. All are quite close to each other in defenses.
I chose a Pokemon that I recognized well to name each tier. That way, each tier can have a relative value in your mind. Inside the tiers, the pokemon are listed in numerical order. It shouldn't make too much a difference. Differences between tiers aren't so great, and a pokemon at a lower tier or even two tiers lower can serve as a better wall. For example, Giratina vs Lugia. Lugia is clearly the better wall with a recovery move, while Giratina is two tiers higher. The exponential scale of 10% was chosen pretty much at random. However, I did first split the pokemon into 6 tiers. But ****ing EVERYONE is in the sweeper tier. I mean seriously, EVERYONE is in a single tier. As you can see here, even with a 10% difference between tiers (again, not that much) the tier lists get a little big in the middle. EDIT: Last thing. Again, these tiers were calculated on assuming 252 EVs and 31 IVs on all stats, as well as +natures on both SpDef and Def. So again, they are slightly unrealistic, but at least they are consistently unrealistic. I figure this inaccuracy shouldn't be a big problem however. Defense Tiers lookup Tier 128 Regirock Tier Tier 127 Giratina tier Tier 126 Cresselia Tier Tier 125 Lugia tier Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier Tier 123 Mew Tier Tier 122 Dusknoir tier Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf Tier 119 Lucario tier Tier 118 Gengar tier Tier 117 Butterfree tier Tier 116 Alakazam tier Tier 115 Dugtrio tier Tier 114 Pidgey tier Tier 113 Pikachu tier Tier 112 Gastly tier Tier 111 Ralt tier Tier 110 Diglett tier Tier 109 Pichu tier Code:
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Tier 128 Regirock Tier
Regirock 199472 119392
Tier 127 Giratina tier
Steelix 193992 88854
Giratina 187488 187488
Tier 126 Cresselia Tier
Slaking 165312 126504
Aggron 173376 82560
Groudon 168064 123624
Rhyperior 170996 99386
Cresselia 165168 174936
Arceus 165168 165168
Tier 125 Lugia tier
Cloyster 153216 62928
Rhydon 154008 85698
Shuckle 149816 149816
Lugia 163904 185952
Relicanth 159176 101404
Registeel 159432 159432
Bastiodon 154872 133488
Hippowdon 154560 112140
Tangrowth 154732 88072
Dialga 150288 132512
Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
Golem 143416 91364
Slowbro 137900 111896
Umbreon 137900 155236
Wobbuffet 137824 137824
Forretress 147264 84960
Skarmory 138944 87508
Donphan 142848 92160
Suicune 145844 145844
Tyranitar 141400 132512
Torkoal 143104 90128
Metagross 143416 111384
Probopass 138348 141912
Uxie 139476 139476
Regigigas 148400 148400
Tier 123 Mew Tier
Sandslash 123900 81066
Onix 126040 56718
Weezing 124248 87508
Lapras 131776 147088
Omastar 131752 90128
Snorlax 131524 183400
Articuno 125952 147072
Mewtwo 127296 127296
Mew 132512 132512
Sudowoodo 124184 86344
Miltank 133566 103228
Entei 128030 118482
Ho 127296 185952
Celebi 132512 132512
Swampert 123624 123624
Lairon 134784 70632
Walrein 129744 129744
Kyogre 123624 168064
Rayquaza 126684 126684
Jirachi 132512 132512
Torterra 133566 116230
Garchomp 133140 123900
Magnezone 124184 105264
Lickilicky 134408 134408
Leafeon 131596 83834
Gliscor 135582 96642
Mesprit 123396 123396
Palkia 125952 142848
Heatran 132012 132012
Manaphy 132512 132512
Shaymin 132512 132512
Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
Blastoise 118736 122718
Nidoqueen 115200 113280
Poliwrath 121728 117504
Graveler 113354 64998
Muk 113022 135792
Kingler 113354 68452
Exeggutor 116230 98894
Marowak 113400 92016
Rhyhorn 115388 63336
Tangela 120574 65464
Kangaskhan 117576 117576
Tauros 112218 92748
Zapdos 113280 117504
Moltres 117504 113280
Dragonite 122362 126608
Meganium 119392 119392
Feraligatr 122672 108834
Azumarill 114736 114736
Quagsire 116230 98894
Gligar 113226 83834
Scizor 112832 97696
Magcargo 113088 86336
Piloswine 114736 96960
Kingdra 112218 112218
Porygon2 114444 118558
Hariyama 118080 118080
Swalot 117564 117564
Wailord 112608 112608
Whiscash 114056 112360
Cradily 121072 129344
Armaldo 116112 100536
Tropius 116982 120600
Regice 119392 199472
Empoleon 112344 123132
Vespiquen 114552 114552
Bronzong 123032 123032
Drapion 120400 93912
Togekiss 118558 135014
Glaceon 116900 105878
Mamoswine 120416 101760
Dusknoir 119070 119070
Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier
Venusaur 105924 119392
Clefable 105986 120564
Vileplume 104430 108324
Arcanine 109056 109056
Machamp 109056 113280
Dewgong 109056 121728
Lickitung 104832 104832
Pinsir 109552 87508
Gyarados 111108 129232
Vaporeon 111360 147088
Kabutops 109836 84888
Crobat 106216 106216
Lanturn 107144 125304
Ampharos 104832 117504
Bellossom 104430 116112
Politoed 104832 125952
Slowking 111896 137900
Dunsparce 105848 101404
Granbull 104832 92160
Ursaring 104832 104832
Raikou 104832 125952
Pelipper 106272 84888
Vigoroth 103376 83356
Nosepass 106920 80784
Flygon 103376 103376
Altaria 108324 120006
Claydol 109836 120528
Milotic 111108 150902
Dusclops 111896 111896
Glalie 103376 103376
Huntail 106446 85722
Gorebyss 106446 85722
Shelgon 109552 72812
Salamence 111896 111896
Metang 106272 92016
Latias 111384 143416
Latios 103376 127400
Grotle 104430 88854
Luxray 102648 102648
Gastrodon 109908 123114
Drifblim 103320 114408
Skuntank 104960 99630
Spiritomb 105184 105184
Abomasnow 104832 113280
Yanmega 112048 87232
Phione 103376 103376
Darkrai 105264 105264
Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf
Charizard 100800 106200
Pidgeot 101010 96940
Nidoking 101748 99918
Ninetales 95550 114800
Wigglytuff 100188 105512
Golbat 92748 96642
Golduck 101920 103376
Machoke 95368 87360
Geodude 93152 49416
Slowpoke 96384 75264
Magneton 96368 79648
Hypno 97988 135014
Cubone 96368 66272
Seadra 99538 64998
Starmie 95580 95580
Mr. Mime 71284 105648
Scyther 97696 97696
Typhlosion 100800 106200
Croconaw 94856 82498
Furret 93126 85646
Jumpluff 92748 104430
Pineco 93024 56240
Heracross 99372 115388
Octillery 96642 96642
Hitmontop 96368 106400
Blissey 92820 289170
Blaziken 95368 95368
Ludicolo 95368 119392
Exploud 101764 101764
Aron 99712 59584
Solrock 101480 86344
Crawdaunt 97350 75570
Lileep 93408 100800
Sealeo 100608 100608
Infernape 94340 94340
Staraptor 97988 81532
Rampardos 95520 86764
Shieldon 97152 79728
Wormadam 95580 109836
Lopunny 97862 106880
Bronzor 94764 94764
Bonsly 96368 62928
Munchlax 92904 139830
Hippopotas 95200 68340
Toxicroak 92870 92870
Carnivine 93984 93984
Lumineon 94392 101916
Porygon-Z 97988 102102
Azelf 92748 92748
Tier 119 Lucario tier
Wartortle 91448 91448
Sandshrew 89680 52896
Nidorina 88064 78776
Gloom 84888 88452
Parasect 92016 92016
Victreebel 91364 87360
Tentacruel 91364 135408
Rapidash 87508 94856
Dodrio 84888 77760
Shellder 86592 43032
Electrode 84888 92016
Exeggcute 92016 67068
Hitmonchan 85728 106400
Koffing 90028 58788
Seaking 91364 103376
Porygon 87508 91182
Omanyte 89872 62746
Aerodactyl 91364 99372
Bayleef 92016 92016
Noctowl 88072 129280
Ariados 90128 82560
Togetic 92630 106446
Xatu 87508 87508
Girafarig 86344 86344
Qwilfish 91182 76486
Corsola 92630 92630
Mantine 87508 138944
Phanpy 92160 75264
Stantler 85750 87850
Pupitar 90128 90128
Sceptile 86344 101480
Marshtomp 90128 90128
Mightyena 90128 82560
Linoone 87480 87480
Dustox 84888 99144
Shiftry 92160 92160
Gardevoir 85340 122740
Breloom 92016 77760
Delcatty 86344 78776
Mawile 89680 69616
Medicham 88452 88452
Wailmer 85840 85840
Camerupt 90128 93912
Grumpig 91364 127400
Lunatone 86344 101480
Castform 90128 90128
Kecleon 84888 120528
Chimecho 87508 94856
Wynaut 84316 84316
Prinplup 85656 91632
Bibarel 86880 86880
Pachirisu 84888 99144
Floatzel 85646 81532
Cherrim 90128 96320
Ambipom 89916 89916
Honchkrow 90092 90092
Purugly 86154 82348
Gabite 85340 77860
Lucario 90128 90128
Skorupi 86904 65036
Weavile 86344 101480
Electivire 90624 104430
Magmortar 90624 112218
Gallade 85340 122740
Froslass 90128 90128
Rotom 84512 84512
Tier 118 Gengar tier
Ivysaur 80028 92016
Fearow 83834 81162
Arbok 84240 91368
Venomoth 82560 93912
Persian 80160 83834
Primeape 80160 87508
Poliwhirl 83834 72812
Grimer 79352 79352
Gengar 77760 88452
Krabby 80784 43032
Chansey 83776 238656
Electabuzz 78156 98530
Magmar 78156 98530
Jolteon 80160 105878
Flareon 80160 116900
Kabuto 80784 54648
Dragonair 81826 85412
Flaaffy 78776 82560
Sunflora 81066 104430
Espeon 80160 105878
Misdreavus 77760 95580
Houndoom 77172 100536
Combusken 77760 77760
Swellow 77760 70632
Masquerain 84280 99416
Shroomish 77760 77760
Slakoth 77760 59940
Nincada 81396 46284
Sableye 82992 76304
Manectric 82560 82560
Gulpin 77400 77400
Spinda 77760 77760
Cacturne 82560 82560
Zangoose 84000 84000
Seviper 84000 84000
Banette 83332 82004
Absol 80160 80160
Clamperl 80830 62746
Beldum 80656 68160
Turtwig 78186 71906
Kricketune 79118 79118
Mismagius 77760 109836
Tier 117 Butterfree tier
Charmeleon 75520 80320
Squirtle 73292 72708
Butterfree 70632 92016
Pidgeotto 75570 71940
Raticate 75360 82268
Raichu 74196 92016
Nidoran 70022 61544
Nidorino 76284 74654
Clefairy 73616 86344
Venonat 70632 74196
Machop 74992 63640
Weepinbell 72812 69138
Farfetch 70532 75460
Seel 76486 87508
Goldeen 70560 64092
Chikorita 73794 73794
Quilava 75520 80320
Totodile 75696 65056
Marill 74992 74992
Aipom 71906 71906
Snubbull 70632 63504
Sneasel 71906 85722
Teddiursa 70632 70632
Beautifly 70632 70632
Lombre 70632 84888
Loudred 75516 75516
Minun 70632 95580
Volbeat 76486 91182
Illumise 76486 91182
Swablu 70560 80262
Corphish 72790 53650
Duskull 74664 74664
Spheal 74992 74992
Bagon 70560 51156
Monferno 74036 74036
Piplup 69750 71920
Luxio 69984 69984
Roserade 74196 109836
Mothim 74992 74992
Shellos 76184 87220
Drifloon 70272 78720
Stunky 69960 65670
Chatot 73692 71556
Finneon 70064 73386
Snover 70632 77760
Tier 116 Alakazam tier
Bulbasaur 63504 73794
Metapod 69616 49552
Kakuna 64092 47922
Beedrill 65464 94856
Jigglypuff 65968 70742
Oddish 67326 73794
Psyduck 65056 66272
Growlithe 64998 68452
Alakazam 64998 92630
Ponyta 69616 76304
Magnemite 66548 58166
Drowzee 67068 99144
Hitmonlee 68400 106400
Horsea 69168 43032
Ditto 64200 64200
Eevee 68452 78814
Ledian 68452 109900
Chinchou 67968 82128
Togepi 68774 68774
Skiploom 68452 78814
Yanma 69138 69138
Wooper 64998 51182
Murkrow 65124 65124
Unown 64200 64200
Larvitar 66272 66272
Mudkip 66272 66272
Silcoon 69616 49552
Cascoon 69616 49552
Nuzleaf 67424 67424
Ninjask 67482 71068
Plusle 63504 88452
Sharpedo 67424 67424
Numel 63504 67068
Vibrava 66272 66272
Baltoy 65036 74408
Anorith 64092 64092
Snorunt 66272 66272
Luvdisc 66410 72790
Deoxys 66272 66272
Staravia 68452 61544
Cranidos 66248 58812
Buneary 64370 72848
Chingling 64092 64092
Gible 66240 66240
Mantyke 64092 109368
Tier 115 Dugtrio tier
Nidoran 58016 58016
Paras 62746 62746
Dugtrio 59732 71788
Haunter 60858 67326
Voltorb 61912 65036
Staryu 60456 60456
Jynx 61790 105878
Dratini 59202 62348
Natu 58788 58788
Mareep 61544 64998
Swinub 59584 52896
Delibird 60858 60858
Smeargle 58090 64998
Grovyle 62928 76304
Torchic 57624 64092
Seedot 61912 49416
Makuhita 60552 60552
Azurill 59584 59584
Skitty 62928 56240
Meditite 60456 60456
Roselia 62928 86336
Spoink 59940 92016
Trapinch 60858 60858
Cacnea 59584 59584
Barboach 61712 60496
Chimchar 59860 59860
Bidoof 63112 63112
Burmy 58788 58788
Buizel 58090 54636
Cherubi 60858 66150
Glameow 60702 57380
Croagunk 58800 58800
Tier 114 Pidgey tier
Charmander 57246 61476
Caterpie 54390 44688
Pidgey 55664 52540
Ekans 56170 62198
Vulpix 54880 70280
Zubat 52540 55664
Meowth 52540 55664
Mankey 52540 58788
Poliwag 55664 55664
Bellsprout 56240 52896
Tentacool 52540 93152
Doduo 56718 50690
Magikarp 55876 37088
Cyndaquil 57246 61476
Hoothoot 56376 75168
Spinarak 55664 55664
Igglybuff 54144 58368
Hoppip 53704 62746
Slugma 55664 55664
Elekid 55860 67326
Magby 55860 67326
Treecko 52540 65036
Zigzagoon 55720 55720
Wurmple 54390 51156
Whismur 52788 52788
Electrike 55664 55664
Shuppet 54020 52852
Kricketot 55322 55322
Shinx 53802 53802
Budew 52540 74408
Combee 53064 53064
Riolu 55664 55664
Tier 113 Pikachu tier
Weedle 49416 43168
Rattata 48840 48840
Spearow 49416 50268
Pikachu 47676 53704
Kadabra 49416 74408
Sentret 50142 56718
Ledyba 49416 80656
Cleffa 51680 69616
Remoraid 50690 50690
Houndour 51156 64092
Tyrogue 50690 50690
Poochyena 50690 47676
Lotad 49416 61912
Taillow 49416 49416
Wingull 49416 49416
Kirlia 51800 64120
Surskit 50836 63332
Starly 49416 49416
Mime 50508 74664
Happiny 48076 101404
Tier 112 Gastly tier
Gastly 45936 48840
Sunkern 45936 45936
Carvanha 44688 44688
Tier 111 Ralt tier
Smoochum 41454 73794
Ralts 42380 48100
Shedinja 42642 35844
Tier 110 Diglett tier
Diglett 36512 46368
Abra 35814 58166
Feebas 37088 55876
Tier 109 Pichu tier
Pichu 34404 45140
Special Defense Tiers lookup Tier 131 Blissey Tier Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier Tier 129 Chansey tier Tier 128 Regice tier Tier 127 Lugia tier Tier 126 Cresselia tier Tier 125 Shuckle tier Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier Tier 123 Mew tier Tier 122 Dusknoir tier Tier 121 Spiritomb tier Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf Tier 119 Alakazam tier Tier 118 Staraptor tier Tier 117 Ninjask Tier Tier 116 Smeargle tier Tier 115 Delibird tier Tier 114 Pikachu tier Tier 113 Metapod tier Tier 112 Diglett tier Tier 111 Weedle tier Tier 110 Magikarp tier Code:
---Special Defense Tiers lists---
Tier 131 Blissey Tier
Blissey 92820 289170
Tier 130 OMFG Blissey beats the rest so much that this tier is empty tier
Tier 129 Chansey tier
Chansey 83776 238656
Tier 128 Regice tier
Regice 119392 199472
Tier 127 Lugia tier
Snorlax 131524 183400
Lugia 163904 185952
Ho 127296 185952
Giratina 187488 187488
Tier 126 Cresselia tier
Kyogre 123624 168064
Cresselia 165168 174936
Arceus 165168 165168
Tier 125 Shuckle tier
Umbreon 137900 155236
Shuckle 149816 149816
Milotic 111108 150902
Registeel 159432 159432
Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier
Muk 113022 135792
Lapras 131776 147088
Vaporeon 111360 147088
Articuno 125952 147072
Slowking 111896 137900
Wobbuffet 137824 137824
Mantine 87508 138944
Suicune 145844 145844
Latias 111384 143416
Munchlax 92904 139830
Probopass 138348 141912
Uxie 139476 139476
Palkia 125952 142848
Regigigas 148400 148400
Tier 123 Mew tier
Tentacruel 91364 135408
Hypno 97988 135014
Gyarados 111108 129232
Dragonite 122362 126608
Mewtwo 127296 127296
Mew 132512 132512
Noctowl 88072 129280
Lanturn 107144 125304
Politoed 104832 125952
Raikou 104832 125952
Tyranitar 141400 132512
Celebi 132512 132512
Swampert 123624 123624
Slaking 165312 126504
Grumpig 91364 127400
Cradily 121072 129344
Walrein 129744 129744
Latios 103376 127400
Groudon 168064 123624
Rayquaza 126684 126684
Jirachi 132512 132512
Bastiodon 154872 133488
Garchomp 133140 123900
Lickilicky 134408 134408
Togekiss 118558 135014
Mesprit 123396 123396
Dialga 150288 132512
Heatran 132012 132012
Manaphy 132512 132512
Shaymin 132512 132512
Tier 122 Dusknoir tier
Venusaur 105924 119392
Blastoise 118736 122718
Nidoqueen 115200 113280
Clefable 105986 120564
Ninetales 95550 114800
Poliwrath 121728 117504
Machamp 109056 113280
Dewgong 109056 121728
Kangaskhan 117576 117576
Flareon 80160 116900
Zapdos 113280 117504
Moltres 117504 113280
Meganium 119392 119392
Ampharos 104832 117504
Bellossom 104430 116112
Azumarill 114736 114736
Heracross 99372 115388
Kingdra 112218 112218
Porygon2 114444 118558
Entei 128030 118482
Ludicolo 95368 119392
Gardevoir 85340 122740
Hariyama 118080 118080
Swalot 117564 117564
Wailord 112608 112608
Altaria 108324 120006
Whiscash 114056 112360
Claydol 109836 120528
Kecleon 84888 120528
Tropius 116982 120600
Regirock 199472 119392
Torterra 133566 116230
Empoleon 112344 123132
Vespiquen 114552 114552
Gastrodon 109908 123114
Drifblim 103320 114408
Bronzong 123032 123032
Abomasnow 104832 113280
Magmortar 90624 112218
Gallade 85340 122740
Dusknoir 119070 119070
Tier 121 Spiritomb tier
Charizard 100800 106200
Wigglytuff 100188 105512
Vileplume 104430 108324
Golduck 101920 103376
Arcanine 109056 109056
Slowbro 137900 111896
Hitmonlee 68400 106400
Hitmonchan 85728 106400
Lickitung 104832 104832
Seaking 91364 103376
Jynx 61790 105878
Jolteon 80160 105878
Typhlosion 100800 106200
Feraligatr 122672 108834
Ledian 68452 109900
Crobat 106216 106216
Togetic 92630 106446
Jumpluff 92748 104430
Sunflora 81066 104430
Espeon 80160 105878
Ursaring 104832 104832
Hitmontop 96368 106400
Miltank 133566 103228
Flygon 103376 103376
Dusclops 111896 111896
Glalie 103376 103376
Salamence 111896 111896
Metagross 143416 111384
Luxray 102648 102648
Roserade 74196 109836
Wormadam 95580 109836
Lopunny 97862 106880
Mismagius 77760 109836
Spiritomb 105184 105184
Hippowdon 154560 112140
Mantyke 64092 109368
Magnezone 124184 105264
Electivire 90624 104430
Glaceon 116900 105878
Porygon-Z 97988 102102
Phione 103376 103376
Darkrai 105264 105264
Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie Infernape PorygonZ Azelf
Beedrill 65464 94856
Pidgeot 101010 96940
Nidoking 101748 99918
Golbat 92748 96642
Venomoth 82560 93912
Tentacool 52540 93152
Rapidash 87508 94856
Drowzee 67068 99144
Exeggutor 116230 98894
Starmie 95580 95580
Mr. Mime 71284 105648
Scyther 97696 97696
Electabuzz 78156 98530
Magmar 78156 98530
Tauros 112218 92748
Aerodactyl 91364 99372
Quagsire 116230 98894
Misdreavus 77760 95580
Dunsparce 105848 101404
Scizor 112832 97696
Piloswine 114736 96960
Octillery 96642 96642
Houndoom 77172 100536
Sceptile 86344 101480
Blaziken 95368 95368
Dustox 84888 99144
Masquerain 84280 99416
Exploud 101764 101764
Minun 70632 95580
Camerupt 90128 93912
Lunatone 86344 101480
Lileep 93408 100800
Armaldo 116112 100536
Chimecho 87508 94856
Sealeo 100608 100608
Relicanth 159176 101404
Infernape 94340 94340
Pachirisu 84888 99144
Cherrim 90128 96320
Skuntank 104960 99630
Bronzor 94764 94764
Happiny 48076 101404
Drapion 120400 93912
Toxicroak 92870 92870
Carnivine 93984 93984
Lumineon 94392 101916
Weavile 86344 101480
Rhyperior 170996 99386
Gliscor 135582 96642
Mamoswine 120416 101760
Azelf 92748 92748
Tier 119 Alakazam tier
Ivysaur 80028 92016
Wartortle 91448 91448
Butterfree 70632 92016
Arbok 84240 91368
Raichu 74196 92016
Clefairy 73616 86344
Gloom 84888 88452
Parasect 92016 92016
Primeape 80160 87508
Alakazam 64998 92630
Machoke 95368 87360
Victreebel 91364 87360
Golem 143416 91364
Seel 76486 87508
Gengar 77760 88452
Electrode 84888 92016
Marowak 113400 92016
Weezing 124248 87508
Rhydon 154008 85698
Pinsir 109552 87508
Porygon 87508 91182
Omastar 131752 90128
Kabutops 109836 84888
Dragonair 81826 85412
Bayleef 92016 92016
Furret 93126 85646
Xatu 87508 87508
Sudowoodo 124184 86344
Girafarig 86344 86344
Forretress 147264 84960
Steelix 193992 88854
Granbull 104832 92160
Sneasel 71906 85722
Magcargo 113088 86336
Corsola 92630 92630
Skarmory 138944 87508
Donphan 142848 92160
Stantler 85750 87850
Pupitar 90128 90128
Marshtomp 90128 90128
Linoone 87480 87480
Lombre 70632 84888
Shiftry 92160 92160
Pelipper 106272 84888
Medicham 88452 88452
Plusle 63504 88452
Volbeat 76486 91182
Illumise 76486 91182
Roselia 62928 86336
Wailmer 85840 85840
Torkoal 143104 90128
Spoink 59940 92016
Solrock 101480 86344
Castform 90128 90128
Wynaut 84316 84316
Huntail 106446 85722
Gorebyss 106446 85722
Metang 106272 92016
Grotle 104430 88854
Prinplup 85656 91632
Bibarel 86880 86880
Rampardos 95520 86764
Shellos 76184 87220
Ambipom 89916 89916
Honchkrow 90092 90092
Lucario 90128 90128
Tangrowth 154732 88072
Yanmega 112048 87232
Froslass 90128 90128
Rotom 84512 84512
Tier 118 Staraptor tier
Charmeleon 75520 80320
Raticate 75360 82268
Fearow 83834 81162
Sandslash 123900 81066
Nidorina 88064 78776
Persian 80160 83834
Magneton 96368 79648
Dodrio 84888 77760
Grimer 79352 79352
Eevee 68452 78814
Quilava 75520 80320
Croconaw 94856 82498
Ledyba 49416 80656
Ariados 90128 82560
Chinchou 67968 82128
Flaaffy 78776 82560
Skiploom 68452 78814
Gligar 113226 83834
Combusken 77760 77760
Mightyena 90128 82560
Shroomish 77760 77760
Breloom 92016 77760
Vigoroth 103376 83356
Nosepass 106920 80784
Delcatty 86344 78776
Aggron 173376 82560
Manectric 82560 82560
Gulpin 77400 77400
Spinda 77760 77760
Cacturne 82560 82560
Swablu 70560 80262
Zangoose 84000 84000
Seviper 84000 84000
Banette 83332 82004
Absol 80160 80160
Staraptor 97988 81532
Kricketune 79118 79118
Shieldon 97152 79728
Floatzel 85646 81532
Drifloon 70272 78720
Purugly 86154 82348
Gabite 85340 77860
Snover 70632 77760
Leafeon 131596 83834
Tier 117 Ninjask Tier
Bulbasaur 63504 73794
Squirtle 73292 72708
Pidgeotto 75570 71940
Nidorino 76284 74654
Vulpix 54880 70280
Jigglypuff 65968 70742
Oddish 67326 73794
Venonat 70632 74196
Dugtrio 59732 71788
Poliwhirl 83834 72812
Kadabra 49416 74408
Ponyta 69616 76304
Slowpoke 96384 75264
Farfetch 70532 75460
Chikorita 73794 73794
Hoothoot 56376 75168
Marill 74992 74992
Aipom 71906 71906
Qwilfish 91182 76486
Teddiursa 70632 70632
Phanpy 92160 75264
Smoochum 41454 73794
Grovyle 62928 76304
Beautifly 70632 70632
Swellow 77760 70632
Ninjask 67482 71068
Loudred 75516 75516
Sableye 82992 76304
Lairon 134784 70632
Crawdaunt 97350 75570
Baltoy 65036 74408
Duskull 74664 74664
Spheal 74992 74992
Luvdisc 66410 72790
Shelgon 109552 72812
Turtwig 78186 71906
Monferno 74036 74036
Piplup 69750 71920
Luxio 69984 69984
Budew 52540 74408
Mothim 74992 74992
Buneary 64370 72848
Mime 50508 74664
Chatot 73692 71556
Finneon 70064 73386
Tier 116 Smeargle tier
Psyduck 65056 66272
Growlithe 64998 68452
Machop 74992 63640
Weepinbell 72812 69138
Graveler 113354 64998
Haunter 60858 67326
Kingler 113354 68452
Voltorb 61912 65036
Exeggcute 92016 67068
Cubone 96368 66272
Rhyhorn 115388 63336
Tangela 120574 65464
Seadra 99538 64998
Goldeen 70560 64092
Ditto 64200 64200
Totodile 75696 65056
Cleffa 51680 69616
Togepi 68774 68774
Mareep 61544 64998
Yanma 69138 69138
Murkrow 65124 65124
Unown 64200 64200
Snubbull 70632 63504
Houndour 51156 64092
Smeargle 58090 64998
Elekid 55860 67326
Magby 55860 67326
Larvitar 66272 66272
Treecko 52540 65036
Torchic 57624 64092
Mudkip 66272 66272
Nuzleaf 67424 67424
Kirlia 51800 64120
Surskit 50836 63332
Mawile 89680 69616
Sharpedo 67424 67424
Numel 63504 67068
Vibrava 66272 66272
Anorith 64092 64092
Snorunt 66272 66272
Beldum 80656 68160
Deoxys 66272 66272
Cherubi 60858 66150
Chingling 64092 64092
Stunky 69960 65670
Gible 66240 66240
Hippopotas 95200 68340
Skorupi 86904 65036
Tier 115 Delibird tier
Charmander 57246 61476
Ekans 56170 62198
Nidoran 70022 61544
Nidoran 58016 58016
Paras 62746 62746
Mankey 52540 58788
Abra 35814 58166
Magnemite 66548 58166
Cloyster 153216 62928
Koffing 90028 58788
Staryu 60456 60456
Omanyte 89872 62746
Dratini 59202 62348
Cyndaquil 57246 61476
Igglybuff 54144 58368
Natu 58788 58788
Hoppip 53704 62746
Delibird 60858 60858
Lotad 49416 61912
Slakoth 77760 59940
Makuhita 60552 60552
Azurill 59584 59584
Aron 99712 59584
Meditite 60456 60456
Trapinch 60858 60858
Cacnea 59584 59584
Barboach 61712 60496
Clamperl 80830 62746
Chimchar 59860 59860
Staravia 68452 61544
Bidoof 63112 63112
Cranidos 66248 58812
Burmy 58788 58788
Bonsly 96368 62928
Croagunk 58800 58800
Tier 114 Pikachu tier
Pidgey 55664 52540
Pikachu 47676 53704
Sandshrew 89680 52896
Zubat 52540 55664
Meowth 52540 55664
Poliwag 55664 55664
Bellsprout 56240 52896
Onix 126040 56718
Kabuto 80784 54648
Sentret 50142 56718
Spinarak 55664 55664
Pineco 93024 56240
Slugma 55664 55664
Swinub 59584 52896
Zigzagoon 55720 55720
Whismur 52788 52788
Skitty 62928 56240
Electrike 55664 55664
Corphish 72790 53650
Feebas 37088 55876
Shuppet 54020 52852
Kricketot 55322 55322
Shinx 53802 53802
Combee 53064 53064
Buizel 58090 54636
Glameow 60702 57380
Riolu 55664 55664
Tier 113 Metapod tier
Metapod 69616 49552
Kakuna 64092 47922
Rattata 48840 48840
Spearow 49416 50268
Geodude 93152 49416
Doduo 56718 50690
Gastly 45936 48840
Wooper 64998 51182
Remoraid 50690 50690
Tyrogue 50690 50690
Poochyena 50690 47676
Wurmple 54390 51156
Silcoon 69616 49552
Cascoon 69616 49552
Seedot 61912 49416
Taillow 49416 49416
Wingull 49416 49416
Ralts 42380 48100
Bagon 70560 51156
Starly 49416 49416
Tier 112 Diglett tier
Caterpie 54390 44688
Diglett 36512 46368
Pichu 34404 45140
Sunkern 45936 45936
Nincada 81396 46284
Carvanha 44688 44688
Tier 111 Weedle tier
Weedle 49416 43168
Shellder 86592 43032
Krabby 80784 43032
Horsea 69168 43032
Tier 110 Magikarp tier
Magikarp 55876 37088
Shedinja 42642 35844
A 50% change is 4.25 tiers. (Bulk Up, Cosmic Power, Intimidate and Sandstorm) A 100% change is 7.3 tiers (Amnesia, Barrier) A 150% change is 9.6 tiers A 200% change is 11.5 tiers (Not Very effective and Super Effective) 250% is 13.14 tiers 300% change is 14.54 tiers (Max Amnesia) 400% change is 16.8 tiers (4x NVE or 4x Super Effective) a n% change is log_1.1(n/100 + 1) tiers That said, if two things effect each other independantly, add their changes, don't multiply. These tiers are on an exponential scale. For example, If you have Intimidate and then use Barrier, change 4.25 + 7.3 tiers == 11.55 tiers Similarly, you can go down tiers. Normal Super Effective cuts you down 11.5 tiers, while 4x effective cuts you down almost 17 tiers. Last edited by Dragontamer; Jul 10th, 2007 at 6:37:02 PM. |
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Jul 10th, 2007, 5:36:37 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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So if i'm understanding this right, then this is just of a show of the top 100 pokemon's (of each defense type) defensive potential? with the tiers lists showing pokemon that can wall on roughly the same level grouped together? if so, then that is awesome and thanks a bunch
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Jul 10th, 2007, 5:46:25 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Where are Deoxys?Namely LG? Edit(I see it by beldum?)
Also the top defensives types Steel,Rock have weakness to ground,fighting also with their assorted other weakness.The one main poke that avoids that curse skarmory is probably the best defense poke . Last edited by Luck; Jul 10th, 2007 at 5:50:57 PM. |
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