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 Dec 17th, 2007, 9:47:04 PM #1 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 SkarmCents and BlissCents: Beta v0.2. With an "Attack tiers" this time Old Thread (Locked) Introduction This is my 2nd revision of SkarmCents and BlissCents, but if you're new the concept is very simple. Essentially, every pokemon's HP, Defense and Sp. Defense are compared to Skarmory and Blissey. This time around, I have added a way to do mass damage calculations similar to attack tiers / defense tiers. So, 100 SkarmCents and that means you have the same defense as a Standard Skarmory (Impish 252 Def EVs, 252 HP EVs). 100 BlissCents means that you have the same Sp. Def as a Standard Blissey (Bold, 252 Def EVs, 252 HP EVs). For example: 0 EVed Regirock has a defense of 94 SkarmCents. This means that a 0 EVed Regirock at 100% health has the defense of a standard Skarmory at 94% health. Example2: A Weavile has a Sp. Def of 26 BlissCents. This means that Weavile at 100% health has the same "hp" so to speak as a Blissey at 26%. EDIT: Pikachu of Doom noted that you can easily convert between "SkarmCents" and "BlissCents" with the following formula: Blisscents = Skarmcents x 1.57. Defense tiers are also another way to compare special vs physical walling on the same pokemon. SkarmPoints and BlissPoints These are the "attack tiers" to SkarmCents and BlissCents. 1000 SkarmPoints means that a 1 BP physical attack will do a maximum of 1% damage to standard Skarmory. (now try saying that 5x fast :-p). Due to simplifications of the system, there is about a 1% error in favor of the defender in SkarmPoints, and a .3% error in BlissPoints. I doubt it'd make a difference however. Trust me, its easier than it looks. Ex. Mewtwo Sp. Atk is 172 BlissPoints. This means a Mewtwo using Psychic (90 BP) will do 172 * 90 * 1.5 (STAB) == 23220. Ignore the last 3 digits (220) and you got 23. Mewtwo's Psychic will do ~23% maximum damage to the standard Blissey. Check Metalkid. I'm dead-on. Also note: this means Mewtwo has a chance to OHKO anyone who has a Sp. Defense of 23 BlissCents or less. So we can look at say... Granbull who has an Sp. Def of 23 BlissCents. And if you check Metalkid's calculator, Mewtwo bearly OHKOs Granbull. Remember, there is some error, but it is enough for the government to work. The formula one more time: 1. Get SkarmPoints / BlissPoints 2. Multiply attacks, STAB, etc. etc. (minimum damage == .85 modifier) 3. Drop the last 3 digits. 4. Thats how much %damage you'll do in the maximum. Example2: 252 Gyarados has an attack of 232 SkarmPoints. This means that Dragon Dance Gyarados using Waterfall will do 232 * 1.5 (Dragon Dance) * 80 (Waterfall) * 1.5 (STAB) == 41760. Drop the last 3 digits and I have 41. Meaning DD Gyarados will do a max of 41% damage to the standard Skarmory. (Note: According to Metalkid's Calculator that it is instead 42%. Bah, well, thats the error I was talking about) Now. Every pokemon's defense in terms of SkarmCents: Format: 0 defensive EVs, 252 HP EVs, 252 Def EVs, 252/252 HP and Def, 252/252 and +Def Nature. Code: ```Regirock 94 114 108 131 144 Steelix 91 111 105 127 140 Giratina 88 100 108 123 135 Aggron 80 98 93 114 125 Rhyperior 79 92 96 112 123 Groudon 78 92 93 110 121 Cresselia 76 88 93 108 119 Arceus 76 88 93 108 119 Slaking 75 86 95 108 119 Lugia 75 89 91 107 118 Registeel 73 88 86 105 115 Relicanth 73 86 88 104 115 Bastiodon 70 87 82 101 111 Tangrowth 70 83 86 101 111 Rhydon 70 82 86 101 111 Hippowdon 70 82 86 101 111 Cloyster 69 87 80 100 110 Dialga 68 80 83 99 108 Shuckle 65 87 73 98 108 Regigigas 67 78 83 97 107 Forretress 66 81 79 97 106 Suicune 65 77 81 96 105 Metagross 64 78 78 94 103 Golem 64 78 78 94 103 Torkoal 64 78 77 94 103 Donphan 64 76 78 94 103 Tyranitar 63 74 78 93 102 Deoxys Defense 62 78 73 92 101 Skarmory 62 76 74 91 100 Uxie 62 75 75 91 100 Probopass 61 76 73 91 100 Umbreon 61 73 76 90 99 Slowbro 61 73 76 90 99 Wobbuffet 57 64 81 90 99 Gliscor 60 73 73 89 98 Lairon 59 74 71 88 97 Lickilicky 59 69 75 88 97 Torterra 59 70 74 88 96 Miltank 59 70 74 88 96 Garchomp 58 68 74 87 96 Omastar 58 71 71 86 95 Leafeon 58 71 70 86 95 Shaymin 58 69 73 87 95 Mew 58 69 73 87 95 Manaphy 58 69 73 87 95 Jirachi 58 69 73 87 95 Celebi 58 69 73 87 95 Heatran 58 69 72 86 95 Lapras 57 65 75 86 95 Snorlax 55 63 76 86 95 Walrein 56 66 72 85 93 Mewtwo 55 65 71 84 92 Ho-oh 55 65 71 84 92 Entei 55 64 72 84 92 Palkia 55 65 69 83 91 Articuno 55 65 69 83 91 Rayquaza 55 64 70 83 91 Onix 54 70 64 83 91 Sudowoodo 54 66 67 81 89 Magnezone 54 66 67 81 89 Weezing 54 66 66 81 89 Sandslash 54 65 67 81 89 Bronzong 53 65 66 81 89 Mesprit 53 64 67 81 89 Swampert 53 63 68 81 89 Kyogre 53 63 68 81 89 Feraligatr 53 64 67 80 88 Dragonite 53 63 67 80 88 Poliwrath 52 62 67 80 88 Tangela 52 64 64 79 87 Drapion 52 63 65 79 87 Cradily 52 62 66 79 87 Mamoswine 51 60 67 79 87 Dusknoir 51 65 61 78 86 Regice 51 62 65 78 86 Meganium 51 62 65 78 86 Togekiss 51 61 65 78 85 Blastoise 51 61 64 78 85 Moltres 50 60 64 77 85 Swalot 50 59 65 77 85 Kangaskhan 50 58 65 77 85 Hariyama 48 55 68 78 85 Glaceon 50 62 62 77 84 Armaldo 49 60 63 76 84 Tropius 49 58 65 77 84 Quagsire 49 58 64 76 84 Exeggutor 49 58 64 76 84 Rhyhorn 49 59 63 76 83 Nidoqueen 49 58 63 75 83 Piloswine 48 57 64 75 83 Azumarill 48 57 64 75 83 Vespiquen 49 59 61 75 82 Marowak 48 60 60 74 82 Kingler 48 60 59 74 82 Graveler 48 60 59 74 82 Porygon2 48 58 62 75 82 Zapdos 48 57 62 74 82 Whiscash 47 56 64 75 82 Magcargo 48 60 59 74 81 Gligar 48 59 60 74 81 Scizor 48 58 60 74 81 Dusclops 47 61 57 73 81 Tauros 47 58 61 74 81 Kingdra 47 58 61 74 81 Empoleon 47 57 61 74 81 Slowking 47 56 62 73 81 Salamence 47 56 62 73 81 Yanmega 47 56 61 73 81 Muk 47 55 63 74 81 Wailord 44 49 65 74 81 Latias 47 57 60 73 80 Milotic 46 55 61 73 80 Gyarados 46 55 61 73 80 Vaporeon 45 52 63 73 80 Wormadam Ground 46 57 58 72 79 Shelgon 46 57 58 72 79 Pinsir 46 57 58 72 79 Kabutops 46 57 58 72 79 Claydol 46 57 58 72 79 Gastrodon 45 53 61 72 79 Altaria 45 55 58 71 78 Machamp 45 54 60 72 78 Dewgong 45 54 60 72 78 Arcanine 45 54 60 72 78 Nosepass 44 58 53 70 77 Huntail 44 56 56 70 77 Gorebyss 44 56 56 70 77 Lanturn 43 50 61 70 77 Pelipper 44 55 56 70 76 Metang 44 55 56 70 76 Spiritomb 44 55 55 69 76 Crobat 44 53 58 70 76 Venusaur 44 53 57 69 76 Darkrai 44 53 56 69 76 Clefable 43 52 58 69 76 Dunsparce 43 51 59 69 76 Skuntank 42 50 58 69 76 Vileplume 43 52 56 69 75 Grotle 43 52 56 69 75 Bellossom 43 52 56 69 75 Ursaring 43 51 58 69 75 Raikou 43 51 58 69 75 Politoed 43 51 58 69 75 Lickitung 43 51 58 69 75 Granbull 43 51 58 69 75 Ampharos 43 51 58 69 75 Abomasnow 43 51 58 69 75 Wormadam Steel 42 53 54 67 74 Vigoroth 42 51 56 68 74 Phione 42 51 56 68 74 Latios 42 51 56 68 74 Glalie 42 51 56 68 74 Flygon 42 51 56 68 74 Luxray 42 51 56 67 74 Drifblim 39 45 59 68 74 Solrock 42 51 54 67 73 Golduck 42 50 55 67 73 Nidoking 41 50 55 67 73 Typhlosion 41 50 55 66 73 Pidgeot 41 50 55 66 73 Charizard 41 50 55 66 73 Exploud 41 48 57 67 73 Aron 41 52 52 65 72 Seadra 41 51 52 65 72 Sealeo 41 49 55 66 72 Heracross 40 49 54 65 72 Wigglytuff 38 44 57 66 72 Staraptor 39 47 53 64 71 Porygon-Z 39 47 53 64 71 Hypno 39 47 53 64 71 Scyther 40 49 52 64 70 Lopunny 40 49 52 64 70 Crawdaunt 40 49 52 64 70 Shieldon 39 52 48 64 70 Octillery 39 47 52 63 70 Magneton 39 49 50 63 69 Hitmontop 39 49 50 63 69 Cubone 39 49 50 63 69 Bonsly 39 49 50 63 69 Wormadam Grass 39 48 51 63 69 Starmie 39 48 51 63 69 Ninetales 38 47 51 63 69 Hippopotas 38 47 51 62 69 Slowpoke 38 46 53 63 69 Machoke 38 46 52 63 69 Ludicolo 38 46 52 63 69 Blaziken 38 46 52 63 69 Rampardos 38 45 53 63 69 Bronzor 38 48 50 62 68 Croconaw 38 47 51 62 68 Infernape 38 46 51 62 68 Lumineon 38 46 50 62 68 Carnivine 37 46 51 62 68 Geodude 38 48 48 61 67 Togetic 37 47 49 61 67 Corsola 37 47 49 61 67 Pineco 37 47 48 61 67 Deoxys Speed 37 47 48 61 67 Lileep 37 46 50 61 67 Jumpluff 37 45 50 61 67 Golbat 37 45 50 61 67 Azelf 37 45 50 61 67 Toxicroak 37 44 51 61 67 Furret 37 44 51 61 67 Munchlax 34 40 53 61 67 Blissey 26 29 56 61 67 Parasect 37 46 49 60 66 Exeggcute 37 46 49 60 66 Breloom 37 46 49 60 66 Bayleef 37 46 49 60 66 Wartortle 37 45 48 60 66 Qwilfish 36 45 49 60 66 Shiftry 36 43 51 61 66 Phanpy 36 43 51 61 66 Victreebel 36 43 50 60 66 Tentacruel 36 43 50 60 66 Seaking 36 43 50 60 66 Grumpig 36 43 50 60 66 Aerodactyl 36 43 50 60 66 Omanyte 36 47 45 59 65 Koffing 36 46 46 59 65 Sandshrew 36 45 47 59 65 Mawile 36 45 47 59 65 Pupitar 36 44 48 59 65 Mightyena 36 44 48 59 65 Marshtomp 36 44 48 59 65 Lucario 36 44 48 59 65 Froslass 36 44 48 59 65 Cherrim 36 44 48 59 65 Castform 36 44 48 59 65 Camerupt 36 44 48 59 65 Ariados 36 44 48 59 65 Magmortar 36 43 49 59 65 Electivire 36 43 49 59 65 Ambipom 35 43 48 59 65 Honchkrow 34 41 50 59 65 Medicham 35 43 47 58 64 Skorupi 34 44 44 57 63 Nidorina 34 42 47 58 63 Xatu 34 42 47 57 63 Rapidash 34 42 47 57 63 Porygon 34 42 47 57 63 Mantine 34 42 47 57 63 Chimecho 34 42 47 57 63 Linoone 34 41 47 57 63 Bibarel 34 41 47 57 63 Noctowl 33 40 49 58 63 Shellder 34 45 43 57 62 Hitmonchan 34 42 45 56 62 Weavile 34 41 46 57 62 Sceptile 34 41 46 57 62 Lunatone 34 41 46 57 62 Girafarig 34 41 46 57 62 Delcatty 34 41 46 57 62 Purugly 33 41 46 57 62 Prinplup 33 41 45 56 62 Stantler 33 40 46 56 62 Floatzel 33 39 47 56 62 Wailmer 31 35 49 56 62 Rotom 33 42 44 55 61 Gardevoir 33 41 46 56 61 Gallade 33 41 46 56 61 Gabite 33 41 46 56 61 Pachirisu 33 41 45 56 61 Kecleon 33 41 45 56 61 Gloom 33 41 45 56 61 Electrode 33 41 45 56 61 Dustox 33 41 45 56 61 Dodrio 33 41 45 56 61 Arbok 33 41 45 55 61 Masquerain 32 40 45 55 61 Wynaut 31 37 46 55 61 Sableye 32 41 43 54 60 Poliwhirl 32 40 45 55 60 Fearow 32 40 45 55 60 Banette 32 40 44 55 60 Zangoose 32 39 45 55 60 Seviper 32 39 45 55 60 Chansey 21 23 50 55 60 Nincada 32 41 41 53 59 Venomoth 32 39 44 54 59 Manectric 32 39 44 54 59 Cacturne 32 39 44 54 59 Dragonair 31 39 43 54 59 Clamperl 31 41 41 53 58 Krabby 31 41 40 53 58 Kabuto 31 41 40 53 58 Beldum 31 40 41 53 58 Sunflora 31 37 44 53 58 Primeape 30 38 43 53 58 Persian 30 38 43 53 58 Jolteon 30 38 43 53 58 Flareon 30 38 43 53 58 Espeon 30 38 43 53 58 Absol 30 38 43 53 58 Ivysaur 30 38 42 52 58 Flaaffy 30 36 42 52 57 Kricketune 29 36 43 52 57 Grimer 29 36 43 52 57 Turtwig 30 37 41 51 56 Magmar 29 36 42 51 56 Electabuzz 29 36 42 51 56 Swellow 29 36 41 51 56 Spinda 29 36 41 51 56 Slakoth 29 36 41 51 56 Shroomish 29 36 41 51 56 Mismagius 29 36 41 51 56 Misdreavus 29 36 41 51 56 Gengar 29 36 41 51 56 Combusken 29 36 41 51 56 Gulpin 29 35 41 51 56 Houndoom 28 35 42 51 56 Volbeat 28 35 41 50 55 Seel 28 35 41 50 55 Illumise 28 35 41 50 55 Nidorino 28 35 40 50 55 Shellos 28 34 41 50 55 Duskull 28 38 36 49 54 Totodile 28 36 39 50 54 Quilava 28 35 40 50 54 Pidgeotto 28 35 40 50 54 Charmeleon 28 35 40 50 54 Raticate 28 35 40 49 54 Spheal 28 34 40 49 54 Mothim 28 34 40 49 54 Marill 28 34 40 49 54 Machop 28 34 40 49 54 Loudred 27 33 41 50 54 Chikorita 28 35 38 48 53 Squirtle 27 35 38 48 53 Roserade 27 34 39 49 53 Raichu 27 34 39 49 53 Monferno 27 33 39 49 53 Clefairy 27 33 39 48 53 Chatot 27 32 40 48 53 Corphish 27 35 37 48 52 Weepinbell 27 33 39 48 52 Sneasel 26 33 38 47 52 Aipom 26 33 38 47 52 Mr. Mime 26 34 36 47 51 Swablu 26 33 36 46 51 Goldeen 26 33 36 46 51 Bagon 26 33 36 46 51 Venonat 26 32 37 46 51 Teddiursa 26 32 37 46 51 Snubbull 26 32 37 46 51 Snover 26 32 37 46 51 Minun 26 32 37 46 51 Lombre 26 32 37 46 51 Farfetch'd 26 32 37 46 51 Butterfree 26 32 37 46 51 Beautifly 26 32 37 46 51 Drifloon 24 29 39 46 51 Horsea 25 33 35 45 50 Nidoran F 25 32 37 46 50 Silcoon 25 32 36 46 50 Ponyta 25 32 36 46 50 Piplup 25 32 36 46 50 Metapod 25 32 36 46 50 Finneon 25 32 36 46 50 Cascoon 25 32 36 46 50 Stunky 25 31 37 46 50 Luxio 25 31 37 46 50 Yanma 25 30 37 45 50 Togepi 25 33 35 45 49 Staravia 25 31 36 45 49 Skiploom 25 31 36 45 49 Ledian 25 31 36 45 49 Hitmonlee 25 31 36 45 49 Eevee 25 31 36 45 49 Ninjask 24 30 36 44 49 Chinchou 23 29 37 45 49 Sharpedo 23 29 36 44 49 Nuzleaf 23 29 36 44 49 Magnemite 24 32 33 44 48 Oddish 24 31 35 44 48 Vibrava 24 30 35 44 48 Snorunt 24 30 35 44 48 Mudkip 24 30 35 44 48 Larvitar 24 30 35 44 48 Deoxys Balanced 24 30 35 44 48 Luvdisc 24 30 34 44 48 Drowzee 24 29 36 44 48 Gible 23 29 35 44 48 Cranidos 23 28 35 44 48 Baltoy 23 30 33 43 47 Psyduck 23 29 34 43 47 Beedrill 23 28 35 43 47 Wooper 23 28 34 43 47 Murkrow 23 28 34 43 47 Growlithe 23 28 34 43 47 Alakazam 23 28 34 43 47 Jigglypuff 20 24 37 43 47 Unown 23 29 33 42 46 Mantyke 23 29 33 42 46 Kakuna 23 29 33 42 46 Ditto 23 29 33 42 46 Chingling 23 29 33 42 46 Anorith 23 29 33 42 46 Buneary 22 28 34 42 46 Bulbasaur 22 28 33 42 46 Plusle 22 27 34 42 46 Numel 22 27 34 42 46 Paras 22 29 32 41 45 Skitty 22 28 33 41 45 Roselia 22 28 33 41 45 Grovyle 22 28 33 41 45 Voltorb 22 28 32 41 45 Seedot 22 28 32 41 45 Bidoof 22 27 33 41 45 Staryu 21 28 30 40 44 Meditite 21 28 30 40 44 Barboach 21 27 32 40 44 Trapinch 21 27 31 40 44 Haunter 21 27 31 40 44 Delibird 21 27 31 40 44 Cherubi 21 27 31 40 44 Mareep 21 26 32 40 44 Glameow 21 26 31 40 44 Jynx 21 25 33 41 44 Makuhita 20 24 33 40 44 Dugtrio 21 27 30 39 43 Chimchar 20 26 31 39 43 Dratini 20 26 30 39 43 Spoink 20 25 32 39 43 Swinub 20 25 31 39 43 Cacnea 20 25 31 39 43 Azurill 20 25 31 39 43 Natu 20 26 30 39 42 Burmy 20 26 30 39 42 Croagunk 20 25 31 39 42 Nidoran M 19 25 30 38 42 Smeargle 19 24 31 38 42 Buizel 19 24 31 38 42 Torchic 19 25 30 38 41 Cyndaquil 19 25 29 38 41 Charmander 19 25 29 38 41 Doduo 19 25 29 37 41 Hoothoot 18 22 30 37 41 Magikarp 19 26 27 37 40 Ekans 19 24 28 37 40 Spinarak 18 24 28 37 40 Slugma 18 24 28 37 40 Riolu 18 24 28 37 40 Poliwag 18 24 28 37 40 Pidgey 18 24 28 37 40 Electrike 18 24 28 37 40 Zigzagoon 18 24 28 36 40 Kricketot 18 24 28 36 40 Magby 18 23 29 37 40 Elekid 18 23 29 37 40 Bellsprout 18 23 29 37 40 Vulpix 18 23 28 36 39 Hoppip 18 23 27 35 39 Wurmple 18 22 28 36 39 Caterpie 18 22 28 36 39 Shuppet 17 22 28 36 39 Shinx 17 22 28 35 39 Igglybuff 15 18 30 36 39 Combee 17 23 26 35 38 Zubat 17 22 27 35 38 Treecko 17 22 27 35 38 Tentacool 17 22 27 35 38 Meowth 17 22 27 35 38 Mankey 17 22 27 35 38 Budew 17 22 27 35 38 Whismur 16 20 28 35 38 Kirlia 17 21 26 34 37 Cleffa 16 20 27 34 37 Houndour 16 20 26 34 37 Surskit 16 20 26 33 37 Mime Jr. 16 22 25 33 36 Tyrogue 16 21 26 33 36 Remoraid 16 21 26 33 36 Poochyena 16 21 26 33 36 Sentret 16 21 25 33 36 Wingull 15 20 25 32 36 Weedle 15 20 25 32 36 Taillow 15 20 25 32 36 Starly 15 20 25 32 36 Spearow 15 20 25 32 36 Lotad 15 20 25 32 36 Ledyba 15 20 25 32 36 Kadabra 15 20 25 32 36 Rattata 15 20 24 32 35 Happiny 11 13 27 32 35 Pikachu 15 19 24 31 34 Sunkern 14 18 23 30 33 Gastly 14 18 23 30 33 Deoxys Attack 13 17 24 30 33 Carvanha 13 16 23 29 32 Ralts 12 16 21 28 31 Smoochum 11 14 21 27 30 Feebas 10 13 18 24 27 Diglett 10 14 17 24 26 Abra 9 12 18 24 26 Pichu 9 12 17 23 25``` Everyone's Sp. Def in terms of BlissCents. 0 EVs, 252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 252/252 HP and Sp. Def, 252/252 +Nature Code: ```Blissey 91 100 110 121 132 Chansey 72 79 91 100 109 Regice 60 73 69 83 91 Giratina 56 64 68 78 86 Lugia 56 65 66 77 85 Ho-oh 56 65 66 77 85 Snorlax 54 61 67 77 84 Cresselia 52 60 63 73 80 Kyogre 49 58 59 70 77 Arceus 48 56 59 69 76 Registeel 46 56 55 66 73 Umbreon 45 53 54 65 71 Milotic 43 52 53 63 69 Shuckle 41 55 46 62 69 Regigigas 42 50 53 62 68 Articuno 42 50 51 61 67 Suicune 42 49 51 61 67 Vaporeon 41 48 53 61 67 Lapras 41 48 53 61 67 Latias 41 49 49 60 66 Palkia 41 49 50 60 65 Probopass 40 50 48 59 65 Deoxys Defense 39 50 46 58 64 Uxie 39 48 48 58 64 Mantine 39 48 47 58 64 Munchlax 39 45 51 58 64 Slowking 39 46 48 58 63 Wobbuffet 36 41 51 57 63 Togekiss 38 46 47 56 62 Tentacruel 38 46 47 56 62 Hypno 38 46 47 56 62 Muk 38 45 48 57 62 Lickilicky 37 44 48 56 62 Bastiodon 37 46 45 56 61 Tyranitar 37 44 47 55 61 Shaymin 37 44 47 55 61 Mew 37 44 47 55 61 Manaphy 37 44 47 55 61 Jirachi 37 44 47 55 61 Dialga 37 44 47 55 61 Celebi 37 44 47 55 61 Heatran 37 44 46 55 60 Gyarados 36 43 45 54 59 Cradily 36 43 45 54 59 Walrein 36 42 46 54 59 Noctowl 36 42 45 54 59 Latios 35 43 44 53 58 Grumpig 35 43 44 53 58 Dragonite 35 42 44 53 58 Rayquaza 35 41 45 53 58 Mewtwo 35 41 45 53 58 Raikou 35 41 44 53 58 Politoed 35 41 44 53 58 Slaking 34 38 46 53 58 Swampert 34 40 44 52 57 Groudon 34 40 44 52 57 Garchomp 34 40 44 52 57 Lanturn 34 39 45 52 57 Mesprit 34 41 43 51 56 Empoleon 34 41 43 51 56 Gardevoir 34 41 42 51 56 Gallade 34 41 42 51 56 Bronzong 34 41 42 51 56 Blastoise 34 41 42 51 56 Dewgong 33 40 42 51 56 Gastrodon 33 39 44 51 56 Kecleon 33 41 40 50 55 Claydol 33 41 40 50 55 Altaria 33 40 41 50 55 Tropius 33 39 42 50 55 Clefable 33 39 42 50 55 Venusaur 33 39 41 50 55 Regirock 33 39 41 50 55 Meganium 33 39 41 50 55 Ludicolo 33 39 41 50 55 Dusknoir 32 41 39 50 54 Porygon2 32 39 41 49 54 Flareon 32 39 40 49 54 Zapdos 32 38 41 49 54 Poliwrath 32 38 41 49 54 Ampharos 32 38 41 49 54 Entei 32 37 42 49 54 Swalot 32 37 41 49 54 Kangaskhan 31 37 42 49 54 Hariyama 31 35 43 49 54 Heracross 31 38 40 48 53 Bellossom 31 38 40 48 53 Ninetales 31 38 39 48 53 Torterra 31 37 41 49 53 Azumarill 31 36 40 48 53 Vespiquen 31 38 39 48 52 Nidoqueen 30 36 40 47 52 Moltres 30 36 40 47 52 Machamp 30 36 40 47 52 Abomasnow 30 36 40 47 52 Drifblim 29 33 42 48 52 Wailord 28 31 42 47 52 Dusclops 30 38 36 47 51 Magmortar 30 37 38 47 51 Kingdra 30 37 38 47 51 Metagross 30 36 38 46 51 Slowbro 30 35 39 47 51 Salamence 30 35 39 47 51 Whiscash 29 35 40 47 51 Hippowdon 29 35 40 47 51 Ledian 29 37 37 46 50 Mantyke 29 37 36 46 50 Wormadam Grass 29 36 37 46 50 Roserade 29 36 37 46 50 Mismagius 29 36 37 46 50 Feraligatr 29 35 38 45 50 Vileplume 29 35 37 45 50 Arcanine 29 34 38 46 50 Hitmontop 28 36 35 44 49 Hitmonlee 28 36 35 44 49 Hitmonchan 28 36 35 44 49 Lopunny 28 35 36 44 49 Togetic 28 35 35 44 49 Typhlosion 28 34 37 44 49 Crobat 28 34 37 44 49 Charizard 28 34 37 44 49 Mr. Mime 28 36 34 44 48 Jynx 28 35 36 44 48 Jolteon 28 35 36 44 48 Glaceon 28 35 36 44 48 Espeon 28 35 36 44 48 Spiritomb 28 35 35 44 48 Magnezone 28 34 36 44 48 Darkrai 28 34 36 44 48 Ursaring 27 33 37 44 48 Lickitung 27 33 37 44 48 Sunflora 27 33 36 44 48 Jumpluff 27 33 36 44 48 Electivire 27 33 36 44 48 Wigglytuff 26 30 38 44 48 Wormadam Steel 27 34 35 43 47 Seaking 27 33 36 43 47 Phione 27 33 36 43 47 Golduck 27 33 36 43 47 Glalie 27 33 36 43 47 Flygon 27 33 36 43 47 Lumineon 27 33 35 42 47 Miltank 27 32 36 43 47 Luxray 27 32 35 43 47 Porygon-Z 26 32 35 43 47 Exploud 26 31 36 42 47 Mamoswine 26 30 36 43 47 Weavile 26 32 35 42 46 Sceptile 26 32 35 42 46 Lunatone 26 32 35 42 46 Lileep 26 32 34 42 46 Houndoom 26 32 34 42 46 Armaldo 26 32 34 42 46 Relicanth 26 31 36 42 46 Happiny 26 31 36 42 46 Dunsparce 26 31 36 42 46 Sealeo 26 31 35 42 46 Nidoking 26 31 35 42 46 Masquerain 26 31 34 41 46 Skuntank 25 30 35 41 46 Pachirisu 26 32 33 41 45 Dustox 26 32 33 41 45 Drowzee 26 32 33 41 45 Aerodactyl 26 31 34 41 45 Magmar 26 31 33 41 45 Electabuzz 26 31 33 41 45 Scyther 25 31 33 41 45 Scizor 25 31 33 41 45 Quagsire 25 30 35 41 45 Exeggutor 25 30 35 41 45 Rhyperior 25 29 35 42 45 Wormadam Ground 25 31 32 40 44 Starmie 25 31 32 40 44 Misdreavus 25 31 32 40 44 Minun 25 31 32 40 44 Pidgeot 25 30 34 40 44 Octillery 25 30 33 40 44 Golbat 25 30 33 40 44 Gliscor 25 30 33 40 44 Cherrim 25 30 33 40 44 Piloswine 24 29 34 40 44 Blaziken 24 29 33 40 44 Tentacool 24 31 30 39 43 Rapidash 24 30 32 40 43 Chimecho 24 30 32 40 43 Beedrill 24 30 32 40 43 Bronzor 24 30 32 39 43 Deoxys Speed 24 30 31 39 43 Venomoth 24 29 32 39 43 Infernape 24 29 32 39 43 Drapion 24 29 32 39 43 Carnivine 24 29 32 39 43 Camerupt 24 29 32 39 43 Toxicroak 23 28 32 39 43 Corsola 24 30 31 39 42 Alakazam 24 30 31 39 42 Tauros 23 29 32 39 42 Azelf 23 29 32 39 42 Wartortle 23 29 31 38 42 Spoink 23 29 31 38 42 Raichu 23 29 31 38 42 Prinplup 23 29 31 38 42 Parasect 23 29 31 38 42 Metang 23 29 31 38 42 Marowak 23 29 31 38 42 Ivysaur 23 29 31 38 42 Electrode 23 29 31 38 42 Butterfree 23 29 31 38 42 Bayleef 23 29 31 38 42 Arbok 23 29 31 38 42 Golem 23 28 32 38 42 Volbeat 23 28 31 38 42 Porygon 23 28 31 38 42 Illumise 23 28 31 38 42 Shiftry 23 27 32 38 42 Granbull 23 27 32 38 42 Donphan 23 27 32 38 42 Torkoal 23 28 31 38 41 Pupitar 23 28 31 38 41 Omastar 23 28 31 38 41 Marshtomp 23 28 31 38 41 Lucario 23 28 31 38 41 Froslass 23 28 31 38 41 Castform 23 28 31 38 41 Steelix 22 27 31 37 41 Grotle 22 27 31 37 41 Ambipom 22 27 31 37 41 Honchkrow 22 26 32 38 41 Plusle 22 28 30 37 40 Medicham 22 28 30 37 40 Gloom 22 28 30 37 40 Gengar 22 28 30 37 40 Xatu 22 27 30 37 40 Weezing 22 27 30 37 40 Stantler 22 27 30 37 40 Skarmory 22 27 30 37 40 Seel 22 27 30 37 40 Primeape 22 27 30 37 40 Pinsir 22 27 30 37 40 Roselia 22 27 29 36 40 Magcargo 22 27 29 36 40 Victreebel 21 26 30 36 40 Shellos 21 26 30 36 40 Machoke 21 26 30 36 40 Linoone 21 26 30 36 40 Bibarel 21 26 30 36 40 Sudowoodo 21 26 29 36 40 Solrock 21 26 29 36 40 Girafarig 21 26 29 36 40 Clefairy 21 26 29 36 40 Tangrowth 21 25 31 37 40 Rampardos 21 25 31 36 40 Yanmega 21 25 30 36 40 Sneasel 21 27 29 36 39 Huntail 21 27 29 36 39 Gorebyss 21 27 29 36 39 Dragonair 21 26 29 36 39 Pelipper 21 26 29 35 39 Lombre 21 26 29 35 39 Kabutops 21 26 29 35 39 Rotom 21 26 28 35 39 Furret 21 25 30 36 39 Forretress 21 25 29 35 39 Rhydon 20 24 30 36 39 Wynaut 20 24 30 35 39 Wailmer 19 23 31 36 39 Persian 21 25 28 35 38 Leafeon 21 25 28 35 38 Gligar 21 25 28 35 38 Zangoose 20 25 29 35 38 Seviper 20 25 29 35 38 Mightyena 20 25 28 34 38 Manectric 20 25 28 34 38 Flaaffy 20 25 28 34 38 Croconaw 20 25 28 34 38 Cacturne 20 25 28 34 38 Banette 20 25 28 34 38 Ariados 20 25 28 34 38 Aggron 20 25 28 34 38 Raticate 20 25 27 34 38 Vigoroth 20 24 29 35 38 Purugly 20 24 28 34 38 Chinchou 20 24 28 34 38 Nosepass 20 26 26 34 37 Swablu 20 25 26 34 37 Ledyba 20 25 26 34 37 Quilava 20 24 27 34 37 Fearow 20 24 27 34 37 Charmeleon 20 24 27 34 37 Sandslash 19 24 28 34 37 Absol 19 24 27 33 37 Staraptor 19 23 28 34 37 Floatzel 19 23 28 34 37 Shieldon 20 26 25 33 36 Skiploom 19 24 26 33 36 Magneton 19 24 26 33 36 Eevee 19 24 26 33 36 Nidorina 19 23 27 33 36 Kricketune 19 23 27 33 36 Grimer 19 23 27 33 36 Delcatty 19 23 27 33 36 Gabite 19 23 26 33 36 Spinda 19 23 26 32 36 Snover 19 23 26 32 36 Shroomish 19 23 26 32 36 Dodrio 19 23 26 32 36 Combusken 19 23 26 32 36 Breloom 19 23 26 32 36 Drifloon 18 22 27 33 36 Sableye 18 23 25 32 35 Ponyta 18 23 25 32 35 Grovyle 18 23 25 32 35 Farfetch'd 18 23 25 31 35 Qwilfish 18 22 26 32 35 Gulpin 18 22 26 32 35 Crawdaunt 18 22 26 32 35 Loudred 17 21 26 31 35 Mime Jr. 18 24 23 31 34 Duskull 18 24 23 31 34 Kadabra 18 23 24 31 34 Budew 18 23 24 31 34 Baltoy 18 23 24 31 34 Nidorino 18 22 25 31 34 Hoothoot 18 22 25 31 34 Smoochum 18 22 24 31 34 Oddish 18 22 24 31 34 Chikorita 18 22 24 31 34 Bulbasaur 18 22 24 31 34 Venonat 17 22 25 31 34 Finneon 17 22 24 31 34 Spheal 17 21 26 31 34 Mothim 17 21 26 31 34 Marill 17 21 26 31 34 Monferno 17 21 25 31 34 Slowpoke 17 20 26 31 34 Phanpy 17 20 26 31 34 Squirtle 17 22 24 30 33 Luvdisc 17 22 24 30 33 Dugtrio 17 22 23 30 33 Shelgon 17 21 25 30 33 Poliwhirl 17 21 25 30 33 Turtwig 17 21 24 30 33 Piplup 17 21 24 30 33 Pidgeotto 17 21 24 30 33 Buneary 17 21 24 30 33 Aipom 17 21 24 30 33 Chatot 16 20 25 30 33 Ninjask 16 20 24 30 33 Vulpix 16 21 23 29 32 Teddiursa 16 20 24 30 32 Swellow 16 20 24 30 32 Lairon 16 20 24 30 32 Beautifly 16 20 24 30 32 Luxio 16 20 24 29 32 Mawile 16 20 23 29 32 Cleffa 16 20 23 29 32 Yanma 16 19 23 29 32 Weepinbell 16 19 23 29 32 Jigglypuff 15 17 25 30 32 Togepi 16 21 22 29 31 Kingler 16 20 23 29 31 Growlithe 16 20 23 29 31 Beldum 16 20 22 28 31 Magby 15 20 22 28 31 Haunter 15 20 22 28 31 Elekid 15 20 22 28 31 Numel 15 19 23 28 31 Hippopotas 15 19 23 28 31 Exeggcute 15 19 23 28 31 Sharpedo 15 18 23 28 31 Nuzleaf 15 18 23 28 31 Vibrava 15 19 22 28 30 Snorunt 15 19 22 28 30 Psyduck 15 19 22 28 30 Mudkip 15 19 22 28 30 Larvitar 15 19 22 28 30 Deoxys Balanced 15 19 22 28 30 Cubone 15 19 22 28 30 Cherubi 15 19 22 28 30 Voltorb 15 19 21 27 30 Treecko 15 19 21 27 30 Skorupi 15 19 21 27 30 Gible 15 18 22 28 30 Totodile 15 18 22 27 30 Tangela 14 18 22 27 30 Stunky 14 18 22 27 30 Smeargle 14 18 22 27 30 Seadra 14 18 22 27 30 Murkrow 14 18 22 27 30 Mareep 14 18 22 27 30 Graveler 14 18 22 27 30 Kirlia 15 19 21 27 29 Unown 14 18 21 27 29 Torchic 14 18 21 27 29 Houndour 14 18 21 27 29 Goldeen 14 18 21 27 29 Ditto 14 18 21 27 29 Chingling 14 18 21 27 29 Anorith 14 18 21 27 29 Surskit 14 18 21 26 29 Cloyster 14 18 21 26 29 Bonsly 14 18 21 26 29 Paras 14 18 20 26 29 Omanyte 14 18 20 26 29 Hoppip 14 18 20 26 29 Dratini 14 18 20 26 29 Clamperl 14 18 20 26 29 Machop 14 17 22 27 29 Snubbull 14 17 21 27 29 Bidoof 14 17 21 26 29 Rhyhorn 13 16 22 26 29 Lotad 14 18 20 26 28 Ekans 14 18 20 26 28 Cyndaquil 14 18 20 26 28 Charmander 14 18 20 26 28 Staryu 13 18 19 25 28 Meditite 13 18 19 25 28 Staravia 13 17 21 26 28 Nidoran F 13 17 21 26 28 Trapinch 13 17 20 25 28 Delibird 13 17 20 25 28 Barboach 13 16 20 25 28 Makuhita 13 15 21 25 28 Chimchar 13 17 20 25 27 Magnemite 13 17 18 24 27 Abra 13 17 18 24 27 Slakoth 13 16 20 25 27 Cacnea 13 16 20 25 27 Azurill 13 16 20 25 27 Aron 13 16 20 25 27 Natu 13 16 19 25 27 Mankey 13 16 19 25 27 Koffing 13 16 19 25 27 Croagunk 13 16 19 25 27 Burmy 13 16 19 25 27 Nidoran M 12 16 19 24 27 Cranidos 12 15 20 25 27 Igglybuff 11 13 20 24 27 Sentret 12 16 18 24 26 Onix 12 16 18 24 26 Feebas 12 16 17 23 26 Skitty 12 15 19 24 26 Pineco 12 15 19 24 26 Glameow 12 15 19 24 26 Zigzagoon 12 15 18 23 26 Zubat 12 15 18 23 25 Spinarak 12 15 18 23 25 Slugma 12 15 18 23 25 Riolu 12 15 18 23 25 Poliwag 12 15 18 23 25 Meowth 12 15 18 23 25 Kricketot 12 15 18 23 25 Electrike 12 15 18 23 25 Kabuto 12 15 17 23 25 Pikachu 11 15 17 22 25 Buizel 11 14 18 23 25 Shinx 11 14 18 22 25 Corphish 11 14 18 22 25 Shuppet 11 14 17 22 24 Pidgey 11 14 17 22 24 Combee 11 14 17 22 24 Swinub 11 13 18 22 24 Sandshrew 11 13 18 22 24 Bellsprout 11 13 18 22 24 Whismur 10 12 18 22 24 Wurmple 10 13 17 21 23 Bagon 10 13 17 21 23 Tyrogue 10 13 16 21 23 Spearow 10 13 16 21 23 Remoraid 10 13 16 21 23 Doduo 10 13 16 21 23 Wooper 10 12 17 21 23 Wingull 10 12 16 21 23 Taillow 10 12 16 21 23 Starly 10 12 16 21 23 Seedot 10 12 16 21 23 Geodude 10 12 16 21 23 Rattata 10 13 16 20 22 Gastly 10 13 16 20 22 Ralts 10 13 15 20 22 Silcoon 9 12 16 21 23 Metapod 9 12 16 21 23 Cascoon 9 12 16 21 23 Kakuna 9 12 16 20 22 Poochyena 9 12 15 20 22 Diglett 9 13 14 19 21 Sunkern 9 12 15 19 21 Nincada 9 12 15 19 21 Pichu 9 12 14 19 21 Deoxys Attack 8 11 15 19 21 Caterpie 8 10 15 19 20 Carvanha 8 10 15 19 20 Weedle 8 10 14 18 20 Shellder 8 10 14 18 20 Krabby 8 10 14 18 20 Horsea 8 10 14 18 20 Magikarp 6 8 12 16 17``` Everyone's Attack in SkarmPoints: (0 EVs, 252 Atk EVs, 252 Atk +Nature) Code: ```Deoxys Attack 239 277 305 Rampardos 221 259 285 Slaking 215 253 278 Regigigas 215 253 278 Rayquaza 203 241 265 Groudon 203 241 265 Deoxys Balanced 203 241 265 Rhyperior 191 229 251 Salamence 185 223 245 Metagross 185 223 245 Tyranitar 184 222 244 Dragonite 184 222 244 Ursaring 179 217 238 Scizor 179 217 238 Rhydon 179 217 238 Mamoswine 179 217 238 Machamp 179 217 238 Kingler 179 217 238 Ho-oh 179 217 238 Garchomp 179 217 238 Flareon 179 217 238 Breloom 179 217 238 Absol 179 217 238 Pinsir 173 211 232 Honchkrow 173 211 232 Heracross 173 211 232 Gyarados 173 211 232 Gallade 173 211 232 Cranidos 173 211 232 Azelf 173 211 232 Armaldo 173 211 232 Electivire 170 209 229 Weavile 167 205 225 Staraptor 167 205 225 Sharpedo 167 205 225 Palkia 167 205 225 Luxray 167 205 225 Hitmonlee 167 205 225 Hariyama 167 205 225 Granbull 167 205 225 Donphan 167 205 225 Dialga 167 205 225 Crawdaunt 167 205 225 Blaziken 167 205 225 Arceus 167 205 225 Zangoose 161 199 218 Kabutops 161 199 218 Entei 161 199 218 Cacturne 161 199 218 Banette 161 199 218 Hippowdon 157 195 215 Swampert 155 193 212 Snorlax 155 193 212 Scyther 155 193 212 Mewtwo 155 193 212 Lucario 155 193 212 Leafeon 155 193 212 Golem 155 193 212 Dodrio 155 193 212 Arcanine 155 193 212 Aggron 155 193 212 Torterra 154 192 210 Toxicroak 150 188 207 Victreebel 149 187 205 Primeape 149 187 205 Octillery 149 187 205 Muk 149 187 205 Mesprit 149 187 205 Krabby 149 187 205 Hitmonchan 149 187 205 Floatzel 149 187 205 Feraligatr 149 187 205 Aerodactyl 149 187 205 Infernape 148 186 204 Huntail 148 186 204 Trapinch 143 181 198 Tauros 143 181 198 Tangrowth 143 181 198 Sudowoodo 143 181 198 Shiftry 143 181 198 Shaymin 143 181 198 Seviper 143 181 198 Sandslash 143 181 198 Regirock 143 181 198 Rapidash 143 181 198 Piloswine 143 181 198 Moltres 143 181 198 Mew 143 181 198 Manaphy 143 181 198 Machoke 143 181 198 Kyogre 143 181 198 Jirachi 143 181 198 Giratina 143 181 198 Flygon 143 181 198 Dusknoir 143 181 198 Celebi 143 181 198 Carnivine 143 181 198 Camerupt 143 181 198 Ambipom 143 181 198 Stantler 137 175 192 Solrock 137 175 192 Sneasel 137 175 192 Shelgon 137 175 192 Qwilfish 137 175 192 Parasect 137 175 192 Magmortar 137 175 192 Magmar 137 175 192 Kingdra 137 175 192 Kangaskhan 137 175 192 Hitmontop 137 175 192 Graveler 137 175 192 Gliscor 137 175 192 Exeggutor 137 175 192 Deoxys Speed 137 175 192 Cloyster 137 175 192 Anorith 137 175 192 Mothim 135 174 190 Skuntank 134 172 189 Spiritomb 133 171 188 Seaking 133 171 188 Nidoking 133 171 188 Abomasnow 133 171 188 Exploud 132 170 187 Zapdos 131 169 185 Weezing 131 169 185 Weepinbell 131 169 185 Wailord 131 169 185 Shedinja 131 169 185 Relicanth 131 169 185 Raichu 131 169 185 Ninjask 131 169 185 Mightyena 131 169 185 Lugia 131 169 185 Latios 131 169 185 Lairon 131 169 185 Kecleon 131 169 185 Houndoom 131 169 185 Heatran 131 169 185 Gabite 131 169 185 Forretress 131 169 185 Fearow 131 169 185 Drapion 131 169 185 Darkrai 131 169 185 Crobat 131 169 185 Carvanha 131 169 185 Ariados 131 169 185 Grotle 129 167 184 Bronzong 129 167 184 Empoleon 126 164 180 Torkoal 125 163 178 Swellow 125 163 178 Steelix 125 163 178 Sceptile 125 163 178 Rhyhorn 125 163 178 Raikou 125 163 178 Quagsire 125 163 178 Ponyta 125 163 178 Poliwrath 125 163 178 Murkrow 125 163 178 Munchlax 125 163 178 Mawile 125 163 178 Marshtomp 125 163 178 Luxio 125 163 178 Lickilicky 125 163 178 Lapras 125 163 178 Kricketune 125 163 178 Doduo 125 163 178 Combusken 125 163 178 Cacnea 125 163 178 Bibarel 125 163 178 Articuno 125 163 178 Arbok 125 163 178 Typhlosion 123 161 177 Pupitar 123 161 177 Gorebyss 123 161 177 Dragonair 123 161 177 Charizard 123 161 177 Gastrodon 122 160 176 Electabuzz 122 160 176 Blastoise 122 160 176 Venusaur 121 159 175 Purugly 121 159 175 Nidoqueen 121 159 175 Meganium 121 159 175 Golduck 121 159 175 Raticate 120 158 174 Cradily 120 158 174 Walrein 118 157 172 Vileplume 118 157 172 Vigoroth 118 157 172 Vespiquen 118 157 172 Teddiursa 118 157 172 Snubbull 118 157 172 Skarmory 118 157 172 Porygon-Z 118 157 172 Porygon2 118 157 172 Pidgeot 118 157 172 Phione 118 157 172 Miltank 118 157 172 Marowak 118 157 172 Mankey 118 157 172 Machop 118 157 172 Latias 118 157 172 Kabuto 118 157 172 Grimer 118 157 172 Golbat 118 157 172 Glalie 118 157 172 Girafarig 118 157 172 Geodude 118 157 172 Froslass 118 157 172 Dugtrio 118 157 172 Drifblim 118 157 172 Croconaw 118 157 172 Corphish 118 157 172 Bonsly 118 157 172 Bellossom 118 157 172 Beedrill 118 157 172 Wormadam Ground 117 155 170 Whiscash 116 154 169 Monferno 116 154 169 Yanmega 114 152 167 Ninetales 114 152 167 Lopunny 114 152 167 Furret 114 152 167 Xatu 112 151 165 Uxie 112 151 165 Sunflora 112 151 165 Suicune 112 151 165 Starmie 112 151 165 Staravia 112 151 165 Slowking 112 151 165 Slowbro 112 151 165 Shuppet 112 151 165 Sandshrew 112 151 165 Sableye 112 151 165 Registeel 112 151 165 Politoed 112 151 165 Metang 112 151 165 Manectric 112 151 165 Magby 112 151 165 Gligar 112 151 165 Bellsprout 112 151 165 Bagon 112 151 165 Ampharos 112 151 165 Volbeat 110 148 163 Swalot 110 148 163 Hypno 110 148 163 Unown 109 147 161 Nidorino 109 147 161 Hippopotas 109 147 161 Loudred 108 146 160 Wigglytuff 106 144 158 Wailmer 106 144 158 Vibrava 106 144 158 Tentacruel 106 144 158 Roserade 106 144 158 Riolu 106 144 158 Persian 106 144 158 Paras 106 144 158 Nuzleaf 106 144 158 Mudkip 106 144 158 Magnezone 106 144 158 Ludicolo 106 144 158 Linoone 106 144 158 Growlithe 106 144 158 Gible 106 144 158 Dusclops 106 144 158 Dunsparce 106 144 158 Dewgong 106 144 158 Deoxys Defense 106 144 158 Cresselia 106 144 158 Clefable 106 144 158 Claydol 106 144 158 Castform 106 144 158 Beautifly 106 144 158 Aron 106 144 158 Altaria 106 144 158 Aipom 106 144 158 Wormadam Steel 105 143 157 Lumineon 105 143 157 Turtwig 104 142 156 Tropius 104 142 156 Goldeen 103 141 155 Prinplup 102 140 154 Buneary 102 140 154 Yanma 100 138 152 Venomoth 100 138 152 Vaporeon 100 138 152 Umbreon 100 138 152 Totodile 100 138 152 Slowpoke 100 138 152 Shinx 100 138 152 Shellder 100 138 152 Seadra 100 138 152 Remoraid 100 138 152 Poliwhirl 100 138 152 Pineco 100 138 152 Koffing 100 138 152 Jolteon 100 138 152 Grovyle 100 138 152 Gloom 100 138 152 Gengar 100 138 152 Gardevoir 100 138 152 Farfetch'd 100 138 152 Espeon 100 138 152 Delcatty 100 138 152 Chatot 100 138 152 Buizel 100 138 152 Quilava 99 137 151 Larvitar 99 137 151 Dratini 99 137 151 Clamperl 99 137 151 Charmeleon 99 137 151 Wartortle 98 136 149 Stunky 98 136 149 Elekid 98 136 149 Snover 97 135 148 Nidorina 97 135 148 Ivysaur 97 135 148 Bayleef 97 135 148 Croagunk 96 134 147 Torchic 94 132 145 Spinda 94 132 145 Spinarak 94 132 145 Spearow 94 132 145 Slakoth 94 132 145 Sealeo 94 132 145 Roselia 94 132 145 Porygon 94 132 145 Pidgeotto 94 132 145 Phanpy 94 132 145 Omastar 94 132 145 Numel 94 132 145 Mismagius 94 132 145 Misdreavus 94 132 145 Milotic 94 132 145 Medicham 94 132 145 Masquerain 94 132 145 Makuhita 94 132 145 Magneton 94 132 145 Houndour 94 132 145 Glaceon 94 132 145 Ekans 94 132 145 Cherrim 94 132 145 Wormadam Grass 93 131 144 Lanturn 92 130 143 Chimchar 92 130 143 Nidoran M 91 129 141 Rattata 89 128 140 Venonat 88 126 138 Tangela 88 126 138 Taillow 88 126 138 Starly 88 126 138 Probopass 88 126 138 Poochyena 88 126 138 Pikachu 88 126 138 Lunatone 88 126 138 Lickitung 88 126 138 Jumpluff 88 126 138 Glameow 88 126 138 Flaaffy 88 126 138 Eevee 88 126 138 Diglett 88 126 138 Delibird 88 126 138 Corsola 88 126 138 Beldum 88 126 138 Psyduck 85 123 135 Cyndaquil 85 123 135 Charmander 85 123 135 Bastiodon 85 123 135 Whismur 83 122 134 Piplup 83 122 134 Togekiss 82 120 132 Swinub 82 120 132 Snorunt 82 120 132 Skorupi 82 120 132 Rotom 82 120 132 Regice 82 120 132 Poliwag 82 120 132 Plusle 82 120 132 Pelipper 82 120 132 Oddish 82 120 132 Noctowl 82 120 132 Natu 82 120 132 Magcargo 82 120 132 Lombre 82 120 132 Jynx 82 120 132 Haunter 82 120 132 Electrode 82 120 132 Dustox 82 120 132 Drifloon 82 120 132 Cubone 82 120 132 Chimecho 82 120 132 Azumarill 82 120 132 Alakazam 82 120 132 Finneon 81 119 131 Chikorita 81 119 131 Bulbasaur 81 119 131 Squirtle 80 118 129 Shellos 80 118 129 Drowzee 80 118 129 Ditto 80 118 129 Barboach 80 118 129 Nidoran F 79 117 128 Illumise 79 117 128 Sentret 77 115 127 Zubat 76 114 125 Wurmple 76 114 125 Wooper 76 114 125 Treecko 76 114 125 Staryu 76 114 125 Skitty 76 114 125 Skiploom 76 114 125 Seel 76 114 125 Pidgey 76 114 125 Pachirisu 76 114 125 Onix 76 114 125 Nosepass 76 114 125 Nincada 76 114 125 Mr. Mime 76 114 125 Meowth 76 114 125 Jigglypuff 76 114 125 Grumpig 76 114 125 Electrike 76 114 125 Clefairy 76 114 125 Butterfree 76 114 125 Bidoof 76 114 125 Gulpin 74 112 123 Shieldon 73 111 122 Vulpix 71 109 120 Lileep 71 109 120 Togetic 70 108 118 Tentacool 70 108 118 Swablu 70 108 118 Spheal 70 108 118 Slugma 70 108 118 Shroomish 70 108 118 Seedot 70 108 118 Pichu 70 108 118 Omanyte 70 108 118 Minun 70 108 118 Meditite 70 108 118 Mareep 70 108 118 Mantine 70 108 118 Horsea 70 108 118 Exeggcute 70 108 118 Duskull 70 108 118 Baltoy 70 108 118 Chinchou 68 106 116 Weedle 64 102 112 Tyrogue 64 102 112 Silcoon 64 102 112 Magnemite 64 102 112 Ledian 64 102 112 Kirlia 64 102 112 Kadabra 64 102 112 Hoppip 64 102 112 Gastly 64 102 112 Cherubi 64 102 112 Cascoon 64 102 112 Wobbuffet 62 100 109 Zigzagoon 58 96 105 Wingull 58 96 105 Voltorb 58 96 105 Surskit 58 96 105 Sunkern 58 96 105 Smoochum 58 96 105 Luvdisc 58 96 105 Lotad 58 96 105 Igglybuff 58 96 105 Hoothoot 58 96 105 Combee 58 96 105 Chingling 58 96 105 Caterpie 58 96 105 Budew 58 96 105 Burmy 57 95 104 Spoink 52 90 99 Ralts 52 90 99 Mime Jr. 52 90 99 Kricketot 52 90 99 Kakuna 52 90 99 Cleffa 52 90 99 Bronzor 51 89 97 Wynaut 50 88 96 Togepi 46 84 92 Smeargle 46 84 92 Metapod 46 84 92 Marill 46 84 92 Mantyke 46 84 92 Ledyba 46 84 92 Azurill 46 84 92 Abra 46 84 92 Feebas 40 78 85 Shuckle 34 72 79 Magikarp 34 72 79 Blissey 34 72 79 Happiny 28 66 72 Chansey 28 66 72``` Everyone's Sp. Attack in BlissPoints (0 EVs, 252 Sp. Atk EVs, 252 Sp. Atk +Nature) Code: ```Deoxys Attack 152 176 194 Mewtwo 132 156 172 Rayquaza 129 153 168 Palkia 129 153 168 Kyogre 129 153 168 Dialga 129 153 168 Deoxys Balanced 129 153 168 Porygon-Z 118 142 156 Darkrai 118 142 156 Alakazam 118 142 156 Magnezone 114 138 151 Latios 114 138 151 Heatran 114 138 151 Glaceon 114 138 151 Gengar 114 138 151 Espeon 114 138 151 Zapdos 110 134 147 Roserade 110 134 147 Moltres 110 134 147 Magmortar 110 134 147 Gardevoir 110 134 147 Exeggutor 110 134 147 Azelf 110 134 147 Togekiss 106 130 143 Magneton 106 130 143 Kadabra 106 130 143 Arceus 106 130 143 Yanmega 103 127 140 Raikou 102 126 139 Omastar 102 126 139 Lucario 102 126 139 Jynx 102 126 139 Haunter 102 126 139 Cacturne 102 126 139 Ampharos 102 126 139 Gorebyss 101 126 138 Empoleon 99 123 136 Vaporeon 98 123 135 Tangrowth 98 123 135 Salamence 98 123 135 Latias 98 123 135 Jolteon 98 123 135 Houndoom 98 123 135 Ho-oh 98 123 135 Blaziken 98 123 135 Typhlosion 98 122 134 Charizard 98 122 134 Sunflora 95 119 130 Sceptile 95 119 130 Porygon2 95 119 130 Octillery 95 119 130 Mismagius 95 119 130 Mesprit 95 119 130 Manectric 95 119 130 Honchkrow 95 119 130 Camerupt 95 119 130 Abra 95 119 130 Infernape 94 118 130 Vileplume 91 115 126 Victreebel 91 115 126 Venusaur 91 115 126 Tangela 91 115 126 Starmie 91 115 126 Slowking 91 115 126 Slowbro 91 115 126 Shaymin 91 115 126 Seviper 91 115 126 Roselia 91 115 126 Regice 91 115 126 Mr. Mime 91 115 126 Milotic 91 115 126 Mew 91 115 126 Manaphy 91 115 126 Magmar 91 115 126 Jirachi 91 115 126 Groudon 91 115 126 Giratina 91 115 126 Gastly 91 115 126 Dragonite 91 115 126 Celebi 91 115 126 Arcanine 91 115 126 Xatu 87 111 122 Walrein 87 111 122 Tyranitar 87 111 122 Slaking 87 111 122 Sharpedo 87 111 122 Seadra 87 111 122 Rotom 87 111 122 Metagross 87 111 122 Magnemite 87 111 122 Luxray 87 111 122 Lunatone 87 111 122 Kingdra 87 111 122 Golduck 87 111 122 Flareon 87 111 122 Electivire 87 111 122 Electabuzz 87 111 122 Deoxys Speed 87 111 122 Chimecho 87 111 122 Articuno 87 111 122 Mothim 86 110 121 Huntail 86 110 121 Spiritomb 85 109 120 Gastrodon 85 109 120 Chatot 85 109 120 Abomasnow 85 109 120 Exploud 84 108 119 Wailord 83 107 118 Venomoth 83 107 118 Suicune 83 107 118 Shiftry 83 107 118 Raichu 83 107 118 Politoed 83 107 118 Omanyte 83 107 118 Lugia 83 107 118 Ludicolo 83 107 118 Grumpig 83 107 118 Girafarig 83 107 118 Entei 83 107 118 Drifblim 83 107 118 Crawdaunt 83 107 118 Carnivine 83 107 118 Bellossom 83 107 118 Beautifly 83 107 118 Cherrim 81 105 115 Toxicroak 80 104 115 Weezing 79 103 113 Weepinbell 79 103 113 Torkoal 79 103 113 Swampert 79 103 113 Stantler 79 103 113 Smoochum 79 103 113 Porygon 79 103 113 Plusle 79 103 113 Pelipper 79 103 113 Nidoking 79 103 113 Murkrow 79 103 113 Misdreavus 79 103 113 Lapras 79 103 113 Grovyle 79 103 113 Gloom 79 103 113 Floatzel 79 103 113 Combusken 79 103 113 Cloyster 79 103 113 Clefable 79 103 113 Cacnea 79 103 113 Blastoise 79 103 113 Meganium 78 102 112 Banette 78 102 112 Prinplup 76 100 110 Ninetales 76 100 110 Cradily 76 100 110 Vespiquen 75 100 109 Togetic 75 100 109 Tentacruel 75 100 109 Regigigas 75 100 109 Rapidash 75 100 109 Quilava 75 100 109 Phione 75 100 109 Masquerain 75 100 109 Mantine 75 100 109 Magcargo 75 100 109 Lickilicky 75 100 109 Ivysaur 75 100 109 Houndour 75 100 109 Glalie 75 100 109 Garchomp 75 100 109 Froslass 75 100 109 Flygon 75 100 109 Flaaffy 75 100 109 Electrode 75 100 109 Charmeleon 75 100 109 Butterfree 75 100 109 Wormadam Grass 75 99 108 Feraligatr 75 99 108 Bronzong 75 99 108 Monferno 74 98 108 Whiscash 72 97 106 Noctowl 72 97 106 Lanturn 72 97 106 Yanma 72 96 105 Wigglytuff 72 96 105 Uxie 72 96 105 Ursaring 72 96 105 Torterra 72 96 105 Sealeo 72 96 105 Registeel 72 96 105 Probopass 72 96 105 Oddish 72 96 105 Nidoqueen 72 96 105 Minun 72 96 105 Cresselia 72 96 105 Blissey 72 96 105 Absol 72 96 105 Clamperl 71 95 104 Swalot 70 94 103 Illumise 70 94 103 Hypno 70 94 103 Unown 69 93 103 Tropius 69 93 103 Skuntank 68 93 102 Loudred 68 93 102 Wailmer 68 92 101 Torchic 68 92 101 Staryu 68 92 101 Spoink 68 92 101 Slugma 68 92 101 Poliwrath 68 92 101 Pidgeot 68 92 101 Natu 68 92 101 Mime Jr. 68 92 101 Mamoswine 68 92 101 Magby 68 92 101 Horsea 68 92 101 Growlithe 68 92 101 Dragonair 68 92 101 Dewgong 68 92 101 Deoxys Defense 68 92 101 Crobat 68 92 101 Claydol 68 92 101 Castform 68 92 101 Bellsprout 68 92 101 Armaldo 68 92 101 Altaria 68 92 101 Wormadam Steel 67 91 100 Lumineon 67 91 100 Hippowdon 66 90 99 Wartortle 64 88 97 Treecko 64 88 97 Snorlax 64 88 97 Seaking 64 88 97 Sableye 64 88 97 Remoraid 64 88 97 Rampardos 64 88 97 Quagsire 64 88 97 Pupitar 64 88 97 Psyduck 64 88 97 Ponyta 64 88 97 Persian 64 88 97 Numel 64 88 97 Muk 64 88 97 Mareep 64 88 97 Machamp 64 88 97 Kirlia 64 88 97 Kabutops 64 88 97 Golbat 64 88 97 Gallade 64 88 97 Elekid 64 88 97 Electrike 64 88 97 Dusknoir 64 88 97 Dunsparce 64 88 97 Delibird 64 88 97 Corsola 64 88 97 Chingling 64 88 97 Carvanha 64 88 97 Bulbasaur 64 88 97 Arbok 64 88 97 Purugly 63 87 96 Shuppet 62 87 95 Bayleef 62 87 95 Snover 62 86 94 Cherubi 62 86 94 Piplup 61 85 93 Lileep 61 85 93 Fearow 61 85 93 Croagunk 61 85 93 Zangoose 60 84 92 Umbreon 60 84 92 Spinda 60 84 92 Shelgon 60 84 92 Primeape 60 84 92 Piloswine 60 84 92 Parasect 60 84 92 Nuzleaf 60 84 92 Mightyena 60 84 92 Medicham 60 84 92 Marshtomp 60 84 92 Mantyke 60 84 92 Luxio 60 84 92 Lombre 60 84 92 Lickitung 60 84 92 Leafeon 60 84 92 Koffing 60 84 92 Kecleon 60 84 92 Gyarados 60 84 92 Granbull 60 84 92 Forretress 60 84 92 Exeggcute 60 84 92 Dusclops 60 84 92 Drifloon 60 84 92 Drapion 60 84 92 Donphan 60 84 92 Dodrio 60 84 92 Cyndaquil 60 84 92 Clefairy 60 84 92 Charmander 60 84 92 Buizel 60 84 92 Breloom 60 84 92 Ariados 60 84 92 Ambipom 60 84 92 Aggron 60 84 92 Aerodactyl 60 84 92 Wormadam Ground 59 83 92 Croconaw 59 83 92 Farfetch'd 58 83 91 Chimchar 58 83 91 Shellos 58 82 90 Chinchou 57 81 89 Wingull 56 80 88 Voltorb 56 80 88 Vigoroth 56 80 88 Steelix 56 80 88 Spheal 56 80 88 Solrock 56 80 88 Scyther 56 80 88 Scizor 56 80 88 Rhyperior 56 80 88 Qwilfish 56 80 88 Pinsir 56 80 88 Nidorino 56 80 88 Nidorina 56 80 88 Metang 56 80 88 Mawile 56 80 88 Ledian 56 80 88 Kricketune 56 80 88 Kabuto 56 80 88 Jumpluff 56 80 88 Grotle 56 80 88 Golem 56 80 88 Delcatty 56 80 88 Bibarel 56 80 88 Lopunny 55 80 87 Whismur 53 77 85 Vulpix 52 77 84 Vibrava 52 77 84 Tentacool 52 77 84 Teddiursa 52 77 84 Swellow 52 77 84 Surskit 52 77 84 Staraptor 52 77 84 Squirtle 52 77 84 Snorunt 52 77 84 Regirock 52 77 84 Raticate 52 77 84 Poliwhirl 52 77 84 Pikachu 52 77 84 Pidgeotto 52 77 84 Ninjask 52 77 84 Mudkip 52 77 84 Marowak 52 77 84 Machoke 52 77 84 Linoone 52 77 84 Lairon 52 77 84 Kingler 52 77 84 Gabite 52 77 84 Dustox 52 77 84 Dugtrio 52 77 84 Dratini 52 77 84 Corphish 52 77 84 Budew 52 77 84 Azumarill 52 77 84 Finneon 52 76 83 Chikorita 52 76 83 Ditto 51 75 82 Volbeat 50 74 82 Bastiodon 50 74 82 Barboach 49 73 81 Weavile 48 73 80 Turtwig 48 73 80 Trapinch 48 73 80 Skiploom 48 73 80 Shellder 48 73 80 Seel 48 73 80 Sandslash 48 73 80 Rhydon 48 73 80 Relicanth 48 73 80 Ralts 48 73 80 Paras 48 73 80 Pachirisu 48 73 80 Nosepass 48 73 80 Larvitar 48 73 80 Jigglypuff 48 73 80 Graveler 48 73 80 Gliscor 48 73 80 Furret 48 73 80 Eevee 48 73 80 Cleffa 48 73 80 Beedrill 48 73 80 Totodile 48 72 79 Buneary 48 72 79 Gulpin 47 71 78 Drowzee 47 71 78 Shieldon 46 70 77 Glameow 46 70 77 Stunky 45 70 77 Venonat 45 69 75 Togepi 45 69 75 Tauros 45 69 75 Swablu 45 69 75 Staravia 45 69 75 Spinarak 45 69 75 Snubbull 45 69 75 Slowpoke 45 69 75 Skarmory 45 69 75 Shroomish 45 69 75 Shinx 45 69 75 Poliwag 45 69 75 Phanpy 45 69 75 Nidoran M 45 69 75 Nidoran F 45 69 75 Munchlax 45 69 75 Miltank 45 69 75 Meowth 45 69 75 Meditite 45 69 75 Luvdisc 45 69 75 Lotad 45 69 75 Ledyba 45 69 75 Kangaskhan 45 69 75 Igglybuff 45 69 75 Heracross 45 69 75 Hariyama 45 69 75 Grimer 45 69 75 Gible 45 69 75 Ekans 45 69 75 Cubone 45 69 75 Baltoy 45 69 75 Bagon 45 69 75 Aron 45 69 75 Anorith 45 69 75 Aipom 45 69 75 Hippopotas 43 67 74 Hoothoot 42 66 72 Tyrogue 41 65 71 Sneasel 41 65 71 Slakoth 41 65 71 Skitty 41 65 71 Sentret 41 65 71 Riolu 41 65 71 Pineco 41 65 71 Pidgey 41 65 71 Pichu 41 65 71 Mankey 41 65 71 Machop 41 65 71 Hoppip 41 65 71 Hitmontop 41 65 71 Hitmonlee 41 65 71 Hitmonchan 41 65 71 Goldeen 41 65 71 Gligar 41 65 71 Doduo 41 65 71 Diglett 41 65 71 Chansey 41 65 71 Bidoof 41 65 71 Beldum 41 65 71 Wobbuffet 39 63 70 Spearow 38 62 68 Zubat 37 61 67 Zigzagoon 37 61 67 Taillow 37 61 67 Swinub 37 61 67 Sunkern 37 61 67 Sudowoodo 37 61 67 Starly 37 61 67 Skorupi 37 61 67 Shedinja 37 61 67 Seedot 37 61 67 Rhyhorn 37 61 67 Poochyena 37 61 67 Onix 37 61 67 Nincada 37 61 67 Geodude 37 61 67 Duskull 37 61 67 Cranidos 37 61 67 Combee 37 61 67 Burmy 36 60 66 Wooper 33 57 63 Silcoon 33 57 63 Rattata 33 57 63 Metapod 33 57 63 Kricketot 33 57 63 Krabby 33 57 63 Kakuna 33 57 63 Cascoon 33 57 63 Bronzor 32 57 62 Wynaut 32 56 61 Wurmple 29 53 58 Weedle 29 53 58 Smeargle 29 53 58 Sandshrew 29 53 58 Marill 29 53 58 Makuhita 29 53 58 Caterpie 29 53 58 Azurill 29 53 58 Magikarp 25 50 54 Happiny 25 50 54 Shuckle 22 46 50 Feebas 22 46 50 Bonsly 22 46 50``` __________________ Defense Tiers and Attack Tiers -- SkarmCents and BlissCents --- Minor Works --- Enlarged Avatar Last edited by Dragontamer; Feb 24th, 2008 at 11:03:25 AM.
 Dec 17th, 2007, 9:49:25 PM #2 Yoko Rains     Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter? EDIT: Misread. __________________ | Destruction | Breed for me! | Friend Code | UWX | Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it! Last edited by Yoko Rains; Dec 17th, 2007 at 10:08:06 PM.
 Dec 17th, 2007, 9:52:26 PM #3 tarheels07     Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 223 USA If this works, this would make everything sooo much easier. Thanks! __________________ FC:4210 5372 7144Introducing:***A walk down Tobacco Road**** -The trade thread of Tarheels07 NOW WITH A QUAD FLAWLESS BAGON!Please visit my trade thread. I'm a beginning breeder and there isn't much, but I will be adding pokemon soon!
Dec 17th, 2007, 10:02:27 PM   #4
merubin

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 Originally Posted by Fat Yoko Rains Wait just wondering, why is Regirock only 94% of Skarmory? Doesn't he have higher defenses/HP/Sp. Defense?
You didn't read it. 0 EV Regirock is 94% of a fully EVd standard Skarmory.

 Dec 18th, 2007, 10:36:14 AM #5 Portugeez     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 224 You are awesome. Best user that Smogon has. __________________ http://wallpapers.leovacity.be/image...un_Flowers.jpg I WANT TO SAVE SMOGON ON A FLOPPY DISK
 Dec 18th, 2007, 11:22:18 AM #6 DougJustDoug** Knows the great enthusiasms     Administrator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX DT, you are a machine! This is really awesome stuff. Your tiers were good, but this is even better. Big props for all the research you do for simplifying damage and attack comparisons. I don't use them for damage calcs, since after playing for a while, most people develop a pretty good feel for their team and their effectiveness against most standard opponents. However, I think it is invaluable when considering a new team or replacing a member of an existing team. Also, I know you've gotten some flak for promoting the concepts behind your "tiers". Maybe not flak, per se... but let's just say some people have not received your ideas with a warm welcome. Ignore the haters. Even those that don't use your stats, have to respect the effort and dedication that went into them. Members like you make Smogon great. BTW, one thing I noticed in the stats is the SkarmCents line for Blissey. Many people ask "Why make Blissey Bold with Def EV's? Would it be better to invest in that monstrous Sp. Def?" For anyone who doesn't understand the logic behind max def Blissey, read the SkarmCents line for Blissey and notice the huge jump Blissey gets with investment in Def. That's why max def Blissey is the standard...
 Dec 18th, 2007, 12:54:32 PM #7 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 Oh yeah, I forgot to add. While I still prefer the logrithmic scale for the quick and easy calculations (dragon dance in Attack Tiers is +4.25. Dragon Dance in these are x1.5... and attack tiers still make it easy to calculate strange modifiers in your head), my next goal is to somehow integrate the logrithmic "Attack Tiers" and defense tiers into these. Maybe v0.3 when I figure out the right way to do it... Further, one complaint about Attack Tiers has been mitigated in these btw. EVs are easy to represent in this scale. Every 4 Atk evs are worth .605 SkarmPoints, and Every 4 Sp. Atk EVs is worth .384 BlissPoints. So for example: if you want to know how 252 Atk EVs will help you out, take your base pokemon (Garchomp's base is 179), then do 252 / 4 * .605 == ~38. So 179 + 38 == 217, as you can see on the table. __________________ Defense Tiers and Attack Tiers -- SkarmCents and BlissCents --- Minor Works --- Enlarged Avatar
 Dec 18th, 2007, 1:28:46 PM #8 Spaniard     Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 238 Well, this seems to be the base of a new concept of teambuilding. Good job. However this is still a bit difficult to use, any ideas to exploit this in the OU metagame? Like, say, the following attaks for (some poke in your team): fit very well your team to deal the most damage to the standard pokes. If we take this seriously we may give an important step in the pro-game. __________________ 1st place Shoddy Battle gen4 OU 2nd place Pokémon Online gen5 OU 1st place Pokémon Online gen5 NU Top 8 VGC 2012 Madrid 2nd place pokemonshowdown BW2 OU
Dec 18th, 2007, 1:55:26 PM   #9
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 Originally Posted by Fat Spaniard Well, this seems to be the base of a new concept of teambuilding. Good job.
Old concept actually. Defense Tiers have been out for a few months (see sig)... I just hope that this system is easier to understand this time around.

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 However this is still a bit difficult to use, any ideas to exploit this in the OU metagame? Like, say, the following attaks for (some poke in your team): fit very well your team to deal the most damage to the standard pokes. If we take this seriously we may give an important step in the pro-game.
Hmm... in v0.3 I'll be sure to explain this better...

1. Calculate the SkarmPoints or BlissPoints of your pokemon and its attack.
2. Calculate how much it does to the standard Skarm or Standard Blissey.
3. Every pokemon that has that value will be OHKOed.
4. Every pokemon with 2x that value will be 2-hit KOed.

Example: 252 Modest [FONT=monospace]Glaceon has [/FONT]151 BlissPoints of Sp. Atk. That means it deals 151 * 95 * 1.5 == 21517.5 == 21.5% damage to Blissey with Ice Beam, and 27% damage to standard Blissey with blizzard.

I now look at the chart. Every pokemon with a 21 BlissCents or less has a chance to be OHKOed by Ice Beam. Below 43 BlissCents have a chance to be 2-hit KOed by Ice Beam. Hmm... doesn't seem like too many things are useful here.

For blizzard, I can generate 27 and below and 54 and below respectively. Whats this? 252/252 Calm Dusknoir and Porygon2 is at 54 BlissCents? That means that max/max Dusknoir is 2-hit KOed by Glaceon. Ditto with Porygon2 (who is a pretty decent wall).

I can multiply that by 1.5 again for specs, and see that Glaceon hits pretty high in this ladder. ~41 BlissCents worth of damage for Specs blizzard. Meaning... standard Bliss at 82% health is 2-hit KOed by Specs Glaceon Blizzard.

Who is at 82 BlissCents of Sp. Def? Well... max/max +Nature Cresselia for one. (damn, thats some power)

For those who are pessimists instead of optimists... you multiply by .85 to get the minimum damage. This gives ~35 BlissCents for Blizzard, and ~70 BlissCents for the guarenteed 2-hit KO.

Interesting note: Max/Max Articuno is like 69 BlissCents, meaning it is 2-hit KOed by Glaceon Blizzard.

 Dec 18th, 2007, 3:03:08 PM #10 david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming.     Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152 If Leftovers are in play, however, you'll need to multiply each Pokemon's Cents by 1.0625 to factor in the healing for a 2HKO, or by 1.125 for a 3HKO, or, in general, 1 + (.0625 * (x - 1)) where x is the number of hits you intend to use to KO the Pokemon. In a Sandstorm / Hail, if they have Leftovers, then you have two options. You can either try to KO them outright (for instance, Weavile will want to do this vs. Garchomp), or you can just bring them into the KO range of the weather (Snorlax doesn't care if its Return kills you or the weather kills you, because it's not moving before your dude, anyway). In general, a KO to weather is the same as a direct KO if the attacker is slower than the defender, unless they will be healed with Wish the turn weather is supposed to KO, in which case only a direct KO will work (Wish heals before weather can damage). For a weather KO, then, you can multiply their Cents by .9375. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu
 Dec 18th, 2007, 3:47:25 PM #11 cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,366 five years here and i can't change my custom title :( Cool! You forgot to double Medicham's Attack stat though, so it looks shitty. __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it
 Dec 18th, 2007, 4:56:53 PM #12 Spaniard     Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 238 I didn't know this was an old concept. It's clear, I reckon, how it works. However, when I said difficult to use I meant creating a system that is fast and flexible and aims at the metagame, like creating goups of pokes, specific ev's or anything you think that would be useful. To use this as given (no criticizing, it's a remarkable job) is a bit slow, needs a lot of supervision and we'll make some mistakes because you have to analise every poke, choose moves, analise again, make corrections, new analysis,... __________________ 1st place Shoddy Battle gen4 OU 2nd place Pokémon Online gen5 OU 1st place Pokémon Online gen5 NU Top 8 VGC 2012 Madrid 2nd place pokemonshowdown BW2 OU Last edited by Spaniard; Dec 18th, 2007 at 4:59:16 PM.
Dec 19th, 2007, 2:35:44 AM   #13
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 Originally Posted by Fat Dragontamer The formula one more time: 1. Get SkarmPoints / BlissPoints 2. Multiply attacks, STAB, etc. etc. (minimum damage == .85 modifier) 3. Drop the last digit. 4. Thats how much %damage you'll do in the maximum.
Fixed. Your examples always compared to Skarm or Bliss, and, in your examples, you didn't divide by 100 (their Skarmcents and Blisscents respectively). So you actually need to drop the last digit.

Great effort though!
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Dec 19th, 2007, 3:30:13 AM   #14
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 Fixed. Your examples always compared to Skarm or Bliss, and, in your examples, you didn't divide by 100 (their Skarmcents and Blisscents respectively). So you actually need to drop the last digit.
Actually... no, I think you mean I need to drop 2 more digits. Afterall, DD Gyarados doesn't do 4176 % Damage to Skarmory, but instead does .41 damage. :-p

And then I decided, why not follow through with your suggestion and remove decimal points entirely? So, from there, multiply that by 100 and you get 41 SkarmCents of Damage. (Short for: Standard Skarm % Damage).

 Dec 19th, 2007, 7:25:31 AM #15 X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock     Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta Maybe I'm not understanding how this works correctly, then. Let me go through an example. Suppose I have 252 Atk Garchomp against 252/252 Slowbro with +Def nature using Earthquake. Garchomp has 217 Skarmpoints. Slowbro has 99 Skarmcents. 217 / 99 = 2.19. Figuring out Earthquake with STAB, 2.19 x 100 x 1.5 = 328.79. Hence Garchomp would do 32 Skarmcents of damage, not 0.79 (?). Or maybe I'm doing something wrong. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!
Dec 19th, 2007, 11:21:59 AM   #16
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 Originally Posted by Fat X-Act Maybe I'm not understanding how this works correctly, then. Let me go through an example. Suppose I have 252 Atk Garchomp against 252/252 Slowbro with +Def nature using Earthquake. Garchomp has 217 Skarmpoints. Slowbro has 99 Skarmcents. 217 / 99 = 2.19. Figuring out Earthquake with STAB, 2.19 x 100 x 1.5 = 328.79. Hence Garchomp would do 32 Skarmcents of damage, not 0.79 (?). Or maybe I'm doing something wrong.
I'll try to answer for DT, and hopefully educate myself in the process.

In your example, you made the mistake of dividing Chomp's skarmpoints by Slobro's skarmcents. That's throwing your calc off. The process is this:

1) Figure out how much damage Garchomp does to a standard Skarmory
2) Figure out how Slowbro compares to the standard Skarmory.

In this case, Garchomp's EQ does ~32% to a standard Skarmory (not really, since Skarm is immune, but you know what I mean).

217 * 100 * 1.5 = 32550 / 1000 = 32.55

Next, since Slowbro has 99 skarmcents, that means it takes 99% of the damage of a standard Skarmory. Which, in this case is still roughly 32%.

I checked with MK's damage calculator, and it's spot on! This is great stuff, DT...

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 Dec 19th, 2007, 11:41:07 AM #17 X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock     Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta Okay, I understand it better now. Interestingly enough, my method will still get to the same answer, lol. Instead of dividing by 99 at the end, I'm doing it at the start. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!
Dec 19th, 2007, 11:54:19 AM   #18
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 Originally Posted by Fat X-Act Okay, I understand it better now. Interestingly enough, my method will still get to the same answer, lol. Instead of dividing by 99 at the end, I'm doing it at the start.
Yeah. A series of mutiplication and division operations are commutative. So the order of operations are mathematically irrelevant. On a subjective level, I prefer to think in the terms I described, but everyone will have their own "natural" interpretation.

 Dec 19th, 2007, 4:16:22 PM #19 ultimifier     Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,095 toronto, canada aside from the fact that you beat me 1-0 with 5% left on walrein in summer freedom last year, you are my hero MoP... __________________ Highest Rank on Uber ladder: 1 CRE: 1746.436 99% of players whine about bad luck like prepubescent school girls. If you're one of those 99%, who just love to bitch, put this in your signature.
 Dec 19th, 2007, 4:34:54 PM #20 SHUCKLE MAN   Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,084 Great work! If only we were all like you. __________________ Shedinja fainted!
 Dec 19th, 2007, 6:20:36 PM #21 scorchedsky   Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 261 This is great! Have you posted the actual formula in calculating them, though? I don't see it anywhere in your post...
 Dec 19th, 2007, 7:56:32 PM #22 Dragontamer     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762 Oh, didn't expect anyone to want them. Its quite simple. It is 100*HP * Sp. Defense / (714 * 306) == BlissCents 100*HP * Defense / (334 * 416) == SkarmCents 714 is the HP of a Standard Blissey. 306 is the Sp. Def of a standard blissey. Similarly, 334 is the HP of standard Skarm, and 416 is Defense. And... for SkarmPoints it is: 42*100*1000*Atk / (50 * 334 * 416); The 42 and the 50 come from the damage formula. BlissPoints is: 42*100*1000*Sp. Atk / (714 * 306); __________________ Defense Tiers and Attack Tiers -- SkarmCents and BlissCents --- Minor Works --- Enlarged Avatar
 Dec 19th, 2007, 10:06:42 PM #23 junior the ugly years of being a fool, ain't youth meant to be beautiful?   Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,105 Location: Sydney, Australia Wow, this must've taken you a heck of a long time. Good job though. =D __________________
 Dec 22nd, 2007, 9:05:57 AM #24 Pikachu of Doom     Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 766 Bucks, UK Divide the Skarm/BlissPoints by 10. It would mean a pokemon with 15 SkarmPoints using EQ on Skarm would do 15% damage.
 Jan 8th, 2008, 4:52:54 AM #25 Flash_gearz     Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 653 Just to cerify, the Points are assuming that the attack is nutral?(sorry, can't spell tonight)
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