Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Reflections, Opinions, and Closing

Cooper · Jan 16th, 2008, 8:42:42 PM

The Syclant server is finally up! Not sure if you can see it on the main Shoddy menu though. However, you can still connect manually! All info can be found in DJD's post. Get battling!

Well, we're done. That's it. Over. Kaput. Get out now. There's nothing left to discuss.

What? You're still here? Losers. Well, if you want something to look at, I suppose you could try this:

Syclant
Bug/Ice
Ability: Compound Eyes/ Mountaineer
70/ 116/ 70/ 114/ 64/ 121

Compound Eyes: Raises accuracy of moves by 30%.

Mountaineer: This pokemon takes no indirect or direct damage from Rock type attacks upon switching in. This doesn't block additional effects.

Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."

Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."

Movepool:

Level:
- Thunder Fang
- Fire Fang
- Leech life
- Leer
- Ice Shard
10 Focus Energy
15 Knock Off
17 Slash
20 Bite
28 Icy Wind
32 X-Scissor
40 Night Slash
49 Ice Punch
55 Bug Buzz
65 Sheer Cold

TMs/HMs:
TM03: Water Pulse
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM12: Taunt
TM13: Ice Beam
TM14: Blizzard
TM15: Hyper Beam
TM16: Light Screen
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM28: Dig
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM33: Reflect
TM39: Rock Tomb
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM41: Torment
TM42: Facade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Attract
TM45: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM47: Steel Wing
TM51: Roost
TM52: Focus Blast
TM54: False Swipe
TM56: Fling
TM58: Endure
TM60: Drain Punch
TM62: Silver Wind
TM63: Embargo
TM65: Shadow Claw
TM66: Payback
TM68: Giga Impact
TM70: Flash
TM71: Stone Edge
TM72: Avalanche
TM75: Swords Dance
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM81: X-Scissor
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM83: Natural Gift
TM84: Poison Jab
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM90: Substitute
TM91: Flash Cannon
HM01: Cut
HM03: Fly (for those bitching that this doesn't fly, explain Doduo)
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash

Egg Moves (Bug Group):

- Earth Power (Trapinch)
- Superpower (Pincir)
- Spikes (Forretress)
- Counter (Forretress)
- Air Slash (Scyther, Scizor)
- Crunch (Skorupi, Drapion, Trapinch)
- Tail Glow (?) (Volbeat)

What? That still doesn't convince you to leave? Huh. Maybe you should read this then:

Okay people, we may be done creating Syclant, but we still have a bit more to go before we can really call this project finished. We need to

Make the trivial information such as weight and height
Decide on pre-evo information (name, moves learned at what levels, etc.)
Pick a new mod for the Second "Create A Pokemon"

All of these ting are, in my mind, too small to deserve their own poll, so we'll be doing them here. I mean, Syclar is pretty much the only name that really works, and how much could a bug possibly weigh? Also, I'm putting out a note here that a new mod needs to be selected. I'm willing to help with future programs, but I don't want it on my head. So after everything is said and done, I'll be retiring. My vote goes to Hyra, but if anyone else wants the job, please say so.

For those of you who want to look back at the progress of the first "Create A Pokemon," these are the links to the polls:

Poll 1, part A
Poll 1, part B
Poll 2
Poll 3
Poll 4
Poll 5
Poll 5, part 2
Poll 6
Poll 6, part 2
Poll 7
Poll 7, part 2
Poll 7, part 3
Poll 8
Poll 9
Poll 10
Poll 11
Poll 12
Poll 13
Poll 13, part 2
Poll 14

Discuss.

**Mario With Lasers** · Jan 16th, 2008, 8:51:11 PM

Don't forget that Trapinch learns Crunch too!

And about the pre-evo movepool, I think we can pretty much just remove the "winged" moves (Roost, Fly...), the fangs and Rock Smash, Brick Break, Focus Blast and Swords Dance (only Syclant would get those four because of its "extensive training" breaking the glaciers).

We could throw some random pre-evo-only move. Something silly, like Pin Missile, maybe...?

Davy · Jan 16th, 2008, 8:54:15 PM

It was alright....Weird name for the ability....Still think it should be called Ice/Hard Shell as the ability though

GengarCrysis92 · Jan 16th, 2008, 8:55:28 PM

Height: 5" 3'
Weight: 109 Lbs
Scylant

Height: 2" 6'
Weight: 20 Lbs
Syclar

For Syclar, just use the same Movepool, except get rid of exactly what Mario said. Throw in Pin missle at Level 7.

Rhykune · Jan 16th, 2008, 8:57:06 PM

Who is going to mod the next one? I could if nobody else wants to but only if nobody else wants to.

~~majesty~~ · Jan 16th, 2008, 8:59:21 PM

Quote:

Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

This just strikes me as bad grammar. The last line is so unrequired.

Quote:

Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."

Fair enough.

Quote:

Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."

They live alone but in a colony. Strange. I like dex entry number 2!

Flash_gearz · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:00:32 PM

I wanna mod next one ^_^

I say it looks like it's about 4 feet tall

And it would weigh about 80-90 pounds

Scylar should be about 1-2 feet tall. And being a big bug made of ice, it should be about 10-30 pounds

SkaterTrainer · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:00:54 PM

Wow great finally.

Now for the pre evo and etc.

Trapinch learns crunch too don't forget that.

X-Trader · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:01:23 PM

I say the next typing for a a Pokemon should be a Fire / Steel or Dark / Rock

The pre-evo shold be named Sylonite

Cooper · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:01:30 PM

Quote:

They live alone but in a colony. Strange. I like dex entry number 2!

That's why those two aren't one description. And #2 was mine!

CyzirVisheen · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:03:24 PM

~~majesty~~ · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cooper

That's why those two aren't one description. And #2 was mine!

I like that you included glaciers, as well as the training itself. It's pretty badass looking, Cooper.

I like how you expressed your opinions in various things but ran the polls straight. Good work.

Stathakis · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:08:02 PM

the whole thing turned out very well. It's hilarious that this very exact poll was one of the reasons I joined smogon after lurking since d/p came out. I joined on maybe poll, and I've enjoyed this whole thing. Cooper, you're a god. BTW I voted "Create a Pokemon?" just for the lol factor.

**Mario With Lasers** · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat CyzirVisheen

Well, in case anyone cares, I compiled a link to all of the "Create a Pokemon" Polls:

[Links]

I must say, this was quite a learning experience. Now we kinda know what Game Freak has to go through every generation (Not that they do it this specific way).

Don't forget that we made all of this on a pokémon forum; they must have something like a reunion room (or they just yell at each other, suggesting random moves/stats/sprites). Lol, Pokémon Co.'s stock exchange...

GengarCrysis92 · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:21:42 PM

Hm. I would really like to be the mod for the next one. And don't worry. If I am I WILL not shove my "Warlax" idea down everyone's throat. But I would like to see either the Marowak Evo as my Avatar, a Farfetch'd Evo or my Snorlax idea, but I don't mind, as long as Im helping the cause and doing something. So, yeah, I would really like to be the mod of the next pokemon.
As for Dex Entry #1:

Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

Edited version: "The icicles on this POKEMON's back grow bigger as it grows older and stronger. These icicles can become 100X stronger than any other POKEMON's bone and are extremely sharp."

That looks and sounds a little better.

Cooper · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:23:38 PM

Gengar: I would consider you, but the only problems are your post count and the fact you came in late. I'm worried you might not be able to properly set up the program, and that you lack the strategic knowledge for what the metagame needs. Can you convince me otherwise?

I am Gengar · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:24:07 PM

I have to say I'm very happy with the back sprite. I hate it when awesome pokemon end up with a crappy back sprite. coughgarhompcough.

EDIT: when are we going to test Syclant on shoddy? i can't wait.

darkie · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:32:19 PM

Haha, you put a poll on this, so poll 14 isn't really "the ACTUAL last poll" :P

Bull of Heaven · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:33:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cooper

Quote:

They live alone but in a colony. Strange.

That's why those two aren't one description. And #2 was mine!

But do we want two Dex entries to contradict each other? I know we voted for them, but at the time, we weren't thinking about contradictions. We might want to change one of the entries now.

Why don't we just replace this "living alone" with the ice castles I voted for? Am I serious? I'm not sure.

By the way, I voted for, "It was handled really well".

zxn666 · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:33:17 PM

Wow, the sprites are really good...

GengarCrysis92 · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:33:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cooper

Gengar: I would consider you, but the only problems are your post count and the fact you came in late. I'm worried you might not be able to properly set up the program, and that you lack the strategic knowledge for what the metagame needs. Can you convince me otherwise?

The only problem I have with that, is that I don't understand. Yes I came in late, but that is because I was lurking Smogon for a while, and was un-sure if people would either yell at me or grasiously accept me. But I ended up registering. I undertsnad the whole process. With multiple polls on the same thing, Im pretty sure I understand the Metagame. If what you mean by the "Metagme" is all the Calculations, then yeah I have no clue. But if you mean things like: Uber Status, Overpowerment of a Movepool, broken sets, and all the stuff like that, then yes I do know about that. I would just need the format in which to start the polls in, and I would catch on very fast.

Cooper · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:36:56 PM

I mean if you can tell how something will work in the current metagame, in relation to other pokemon. I feel it's important to know why Syclant couldn't have Baton Pass, or why I was so against Ice Shell, why Thunderbolt was not an option, and how other pokemon could hope to defeat this. Those are rhetorical, by the way.

GengarCrysis92 · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:38:39 PM

Oh, then yeah I would be able to do that. But, no offense, I didn't see you come up with who could possibly beat Scylant. I thought Lord Sunday did that.

Logan · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:41:51 PM

Didn't pay much attention to
Like
This entire thing because I didn't like how it was going
But it isn't tooo bad.

Syclant @ Life Orb
Ability: Compound Eyes
EVs: 200 SpAtk / 56 Atk / 252 Spd
(+Spd, -Def)
- Roost
- Blizzard
- Bug Buzz
- Super Power

Eh. Prolly what I'd use.

I hope the next is better, however.

EDIT:
A Taunt/Swords Dance/X-Scizzor/Ice Fang set might be cool too =]

Cooper · Jan 16th, 2008, 9:46:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat GengarCrysis92

Oh, then yeah I would be able to do that. But, no offense, I didn't see you come up with who could possibly beat Scylant. I thought Lord Sunday did that.

Sunday designed the set. I'm not going to pretend I knew all of the counters off the top of my head, and knew the perfect sets to take advantage of the metagame (I still don't, but then I haven't read the analysis), but I knew the impact such a pokemon would have. I'm not saying you have to be a pokemon master, but you need to have enough of a grip on the metagame to know how you're affecting it.

View Poll Results: Are You Satisfied with how the First "Create A Pokemon" Turned Out?
Yeah, I felt it was handled really well	144	42.48%
Well, it was alright, but a few changes need to be made	102	30.09%
No, I hated it	19	5.60%
I really liked it, but I think the pokemon is broken, so I'm going to be stupid and say no	43	12.68%
"Create A Pokemon?"	31	9.14%
Voters: 339. You may not vote on this poll

Jan 16th, 2008, 8:54:15 PM	#3
Davy Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,337 Butta butta butta butta BATMAN! Yeah.	It was alright....Weird name for the ability....Still think it should be called Ice/Hard Shell as the ability though __________________ Ditto and Davy's Dangerous Duo Trade/Battle/Roulette FC: 0817 7093 6452

Jan 16th, 2008, 8:55:28 PM	#4
GengarCrysis92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 512	Height: 5" 3' Weight: 109 Lbs Scylant Height: 2" 6' Weight: 20 Lbs Syclar For Syclar, just use the same Movepool, except get rid of exactly what Mario said. Throw in Pin missle at Level 7. __________________ Hai?

Jan 16th, 2008, 8:57:06 PM	#5
Rhykune Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 747 Avatar by Yamipoli	Who is going to mod the next one? I could if nobody else wants to but only if nobody else wants to. Last edited by Max; Feb 4th, 2008 at 11:25:36 AM.

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:21:42 PM	#15
GengarCrysis92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 512	Hm. I would really like to be the mod for the next one. And don't worry. If I am I WILL not shove my "Warlax" idea down everyone's throat. But I would like to see either the Marowak Evo as my Avatar, a Farfetch'd Evo or my Snorlax idea, but I don't mind, as long as Im helping the cause and doing something. So, yeah, I would really like to be the mod of the next pokemon. As for Dex Entry #1: Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp." Edited version: "The icicles on this POKEMON's back grow bigger as it grows older and stronger. These icicles can become 100X stronger than any other POKEMON's bone and are extremely sharp." That looks and sounds a little better. __________________ Hai?

Jan 16th, 2008, 8:42:42 PM	#1
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Reflections, Opinions, and Closing The Syclant server is finally up! Not sure if you can see it on the main Shoddy menu though. However, you can still connect manually! All info can be found in DJD's post. Get battling! Well, we're done. That's it. Over. Kaput. Get out now. There's nothing left to discuss. What? You're still here? Losers. Well, if you want something to look at, I suppose you could try this: Syclant Bug/Ice Ability: Compound Eyes/ Mountaineer 70/ 116/ 70/ 114/ 64/ 121 Compound Eyes: Raises accuracy of moves by 30%. Mountaineer: This pokemon takes no indirect or direct damage from Rock type attacks upon switching in. This doesn't block additional effects. Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp." Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers." Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately." Movepool: Level: - Thunder Fang - Fire Fang - Leech life - Leer - Ice Shard 10 Focus Energy 15 Knock Off 17 Slash 20 Bite 28 Icy Wind 32 X-Scissor 40 Night Slash 49 Ice Punch 55 Bug Buzz 65 Sheer Cold TMs/HMs: TM03: Water Pulse TM06: Toxic TM07: Hail TM10: Hidden Power TM12: Taunt TM13: Ice Beam TM14: Blizzard TM15: Hyper Beam TM16: Light Screen TM17: Protect TM18: Rain Dance TM21: Frustration TM27: Return TM28: Dig TM31: Brick Break TM32: Double Team TM33: Reflect TM39: Rock Tomb TM40: Aerial Ace TM41: Torment TM42: Facade TM43: Secret Power TM44: Attract TM45: Rest TM46: Thief TM47: Steel Wing TM51: Roost TM52: Focus Blast TM54: False Swipe TM56: Fling TM58: Endure TM60: Drain Punch TM62: Silver Wind TM63: Embargo TM65: Shadow Claw TM66: Payback TM68: Giga Impact TM70: Flash TM71: Stone Edge TM72: Avalanche TM75: Swords Dance TM78: Captivate TM80: Rock Slide TM81: X-Scissor TM82: Sleep Talk TM83: Natural Gift TM84: Poison Jab TM87: Swagger TM89: U-Turn TM90: Substitute TM91: Flash Cannon HM01: Cut HM03: Fly (for those bitching that this doesn't fly, explain Doduo) HM04: Strength HM06: Rock Smash Egg Moves (Bug Group): - Earth Power (Trapinch) - Superpower (Pincir) - Spikes (Forretress) - Counter (Forretress) - Air Slash (Scyther, Scizor) - Crunch (Skorupi, Drapion, Trapinch) - Tail Glow (?) (Volbeat) What? That still doesn't convince you to leave? Huh. Maybe you should read this then: Okay people, we may be done creating Syclant, but we still have a bit more to go before we can really call this project finished. We need to Make the trivial information such as weight and height Decide on pre-evo information (name, moves learned at what levels, etc.) Pick a new mod for the Second "Create A Pokemon" All of these ting are, in my mind, too small to deserve their own poll, so we'll be doing them here. I mean, Syclar is pretty much the only name that really works, and how much could a bug possibly weigh? Also, I'm putting out a note here that a new mod needs to be selected. I'm willing to help with future programs, but I don't want it on my head. So after everything is said and done, I'll be retiring. My vote goes to Hyra, but if anyone else wants the job, please say so. For those of you who want to look back at the progress of the first "Create A Pokemon," these are the links to the polls: Poll 1, part A Poll 1, part B Poll 2 Poll 3 Poll 4 Poll 5 Poll 5, part 2 Poll 6 Poll 6, part 2 Poll 7 Poll 7, part 2 Poll 7, part 3 Poll 8 Poll 9 Poll 10 Poll 11 Poll 12 Poll 13 Poll 13, part 2 Poll 14 Discuss. Last edited by Cooper; Feb 20th, 2008 at 8:17:14 PM.

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:00:32 PM	#7
Flash_gearz Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 653	I wanna mod next one ^_^ I say it looks like it's about 4 feet tall And it would weigh about 80-90 pounds Scylar should be about 1-2 feet tall. And being a big bug made of ice, it should be about 10-30 pounds

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:00:54 PM	#8
SkaterTrainer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 458 New Bark Town	Wow great finally. Now for the pre evo and etc. Trapinch learns crunch too don't forget that.

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:01:23 PM	#9
X-Trader Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,991	I say the next typing for a a Pokemon should be a Fire / Steel or Dark / Rock The pre-evo shold be named Sylonite

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:08:02 PM	#13
Stathakis I hax people in real life Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,821	the whole thing turned out very well. It's hilarious that this very exact poll was one of the reasons I joined smogon after lurking since d/p came out. I joined on maybe poll, and I've enjoyed this whole thing. Cooper, you're a god. BTW I voted "Create a Pokemon?" just for the lol factor.

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:23:38 PM	#16
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	Gengar: I would consider you, but the only problems are your post count and the fact you came in late. I'm worried you might not be able to properly set up the program, and that you lack the strategic knowledge for what the metagame needs. Can you convince me otherwise?

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:32:19 PM	#18
darkie coolcoolcool Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,352 Plano, TX	Haha, you put a poll on this, so poll 14 isn't really "the ACTUAL last poll" :P __________________

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:33:17 PM	#20
zxn666 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 143	Wow, the sprites are really good...

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:36:56 PM	#22
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	I mean if you can tell how something will work in the current metagame, in relation to other pokemon. I feel it's important to know why Syclant couldn't have Baton Pass, or why I was so against Ice Shell, why Thunderbolt was not an option, and how other pokemon could hope to defeat this. Those are rhetorical, by the way.

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:38:39 PM	#23
GengarCrysis92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 512	Oh, then yeah I would be able to do that. But, no offense, I didn't see you come up with who could possibly beat Scylant. I thought Lord Sunday did that. __________________ Hai?

Jan 16th, 2008, 9:41:51 PM	#24
Logan Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 834 Nibiru	Didn't pay much attention to Like This entire thing because I didn't like how it was going But it isn't tooo bad. Syclant @ Life Orb Ability: Compound Eyes EVs: 200 SpAtk / 56 Atk / 252 Spd (+Spd, -Def) - Roost - Blizzard - Bug Buzz - Super Power Eh. Prolly what I'd use. I hope the next is better, however. EDIT: A Taunt/Swords Dance/X-Scizzor/Ice Fang set might be cool too =]