Smogon "Create a Pokemon" Part Deux - Page 16

Gothic Togekiss · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:35:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Hyra

Don't worry. Steel will most likely come back as a secondary typing. Dark, Ghost, Grass, and Poison haven't combined with it yet, and Ghost/Steel is a very popular typing.

If that's true then I'm all for it though Steel/Grass irk me alot. I mean how does one depict Steel/Grass without making it look more like a damn steel type with sword blade shooting out it's back.

Sunday · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:37:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

If that's true then I'm all for it though Steel/Grass irk me alot. I mean how does one depict Steel/Grass without making it look more like a damn steel type with sword blade shooting out it's back.

1059860 · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:37:39 PM

Steel/Grass maybe, but that thing will get owned by any fire attacks.

And up to now, we don't really have a fast Wall, do we? Not that we need one desperately but there isn't any. Togekiss can only be counted as a Sp.Tank but even that is not fast enough. And it's not a wall.

Sunday · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:39:27 PM

Gliscor is a fast wall.

Gothic Togekiss · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:40:43 PM

Wow Sunday I didn't see that one, nope.

Anyway, aside from the sarcism I check out what Bailey said about Ironwood Tree. Looks like an interesting tree to base an pokemon on.

Justin Bailey · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:40:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

If that's true then I'm all for it though Steel/Grass irk me alot. I mean how does one depict Steel/Grass without making it look more like a damn steel type with sword blade shooting out it's back.

Ironwood Tree? I like the idea of Steel/Grass as well.

Grass/Electric would be nice, but just as hard to think of a design for. Ultimate Water killer FTW.

Gothic Togekiss · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:46:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Justin Bailey

Grass/Electric would be nice, but just as hard to think of a design for. Ultimate Water killer FTW.

Grass/Electic would be sweet.

Electrified Weeping Willow?

Sunday · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:48:20 PM

Roost made of Power cables, that leech electricity from nearby buildings.

demozi · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:51:44 PM

new entire pokeymons ground eletric plz

Hyra · Jan 20th, 2008, 6:52:45 PM

Okay. New thread is in the process of being created.

Guess what? It will have a clicky poll.

1059860 · Jan 20th, 2008, 7:00:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Lord_Sunday

Gliscor is a fast wall.

I thought he was a tank. Oh gosh I can never get the difference between a wall and a tank.

Sunday · Jan 20th, 2008, 7:16:07 PM

Walls aren't meant to be fast, almost by definition. But yeah Gliscor is more of a tank.

***DougJustDoug***** · Jan 20th, 2008, 8:17:03 PM

We really should avoid using Fire as a type on this pokemon. It's the only type remaining that is weak to Rock. As such, it is weak to Stealth Rock. After all the crap we went through with Syclant and its rock weakness, I'd really like to avoid SR weakness on this next one.

If we choose a Fire type, then we have to combine it with Fighting, Ground, or Steel. We already have Infernape and Heatran. Camerupt blows, but I don't think Fire/Ground can be saved anyway. The weaknesses are just too common.

If Fire was eliminated, we could guarantee this Pokemon isn't weak to SR, which would be a relief, after the struggles with Syclant.

1059860 · Jan 20th, 2008, 8:22:58 PM

Um, Syclant has great stats for a mix-sweeper, so having a few weaknesses isn't that bad. Plus, most sweepers are meant to get owned by a few types of attacks, such as Aerodactyl and Weavile.

I'd really want a Fire/Water pokemon with Yin-Yang ability or something since the type matching is Yin-Yang.

***DougJustDoug***** · Jan 20th, 2008, 8:42:34 PM

I'm not saying you can't make a Rock weakness work. You can. It was just such a constant drone on the Syclant threads. Admitted, Syclant was carrying a 4x weak to Rock, so it was a magnified problem. But, right now, it seems like Stealth Rock is SO overplayed in the metagame. There will be all sorts of SR discussions with this pokemon, no matter what we do. Indirect damage, the ability to spin away indirect damage, the ability to block spin, the ability to counter the spin blockers, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I'm so fucking sick of it!

Yes, it's a way of life in today's metagame. But, do we really need to invite even more focus on it, by creating a pokemon weak to Rock? Yes, the other spikes come into play -- but they're nowhere near as prevalent as SR.

I love the idea of Fire/Water (although I think of "steam"). Actually I love the idea of lots of Fire combinations. A true Fire/Ghost "Will-o-wisp" (where do you think the move got it's name?). Fire/Dragon -- How can this NOT be done by now? C'mon Fire Dragons are the most common dragon type in all sorts of gaming lore. I could go on.

I just don't want to deal with any more Stealth Rock talk than is absolutely necessary.

Dilasc · Jan 21st, 2008, 9:45:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

Grass/Electic would be sweet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

Electrified Weeping Willow?

My idea for grass/electric has always been a one eyed ear of corn with a sparkplug for a stalk. The concept is that this creature is its own microwave, which is not fire based, and sparks up its own popcorn!

Fierce Deity · Jan 21st, 2008, 11:14:58 AM

Sableye evo, he is gagging for one.

Tauros · Jan 21st, 2008, 11:38:21 AM

do an evo of a new one

Jan 20th, 2008, 6:37:39 PM	#378
1059860 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 869	Steel/Grass maybe, but that thing will get owned by any fire attacks. And up to now, we don't really have a fast Wall, do we? Not that we need one desperately but there isn't any. Togekiss can only be counted as a Sp.Tank but even that is not fast enough. And it's not a wall. __________________ Liu Yi Fei = Hot

Jan 20th, 2008, 6:39:27 PM	#379
Sunday Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,193 Australia	Gliscor is a fast wall. __________________

Jan 20th, 2008, 6:40:43 PM	#380
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,486 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	Wow Sunday I didn't see that one, nope. Anyway, aside from the sarcism I check out what Bailey said about Ironwood Tree. Looks like an interesting tree to base an pokemon on. __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?* Last edited by Gothic Togekiss; Jan 20th, 2008 at 6:44:23 PM.

Jan 20th, 2008, 6:48:20 PM	#383
Sunday Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,193 Australia	Roost made of Power cables, that leech electricity from nearby buildings. __________________

Jan 20th, 2008, 6:51:44 PM	#384
demozi Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 123 US of Eh	new entire pokeymons ground eletric plz __________________ ogre on shoddy

Jan 20th, 2008, 7:16:07 PM	#387
Sunday Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,193 Australia	Walls aren't meant to be fast, almost by definition. But yeah Gliscor is more of a tank. __________________

Jan 20th, 2008, 8:17:03 PM	#388
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,906 Houston, TX	We really should avoid using Fire as a type on this pokemon. It's the only type remaining that is weak to Rock. As such, it is weak to Stealth Rock. After all the crap we went through with Syclant and its rock weakness, I'd really like to avoid SR weakness on this next one. If we choose a Fire type, then we have to combine it with Fighting, Ground, or Steel. We already have Infernape and Heatran. Camerupt blows, but I don't think Fire/Ground can be saved anyway. The weaknesses are just too common. If Fire was eliminated, we could guarantee this Pokemon isn't weak to SR, which would be a relief, after the struggles with Syclant. __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

Jan 20th, 2008, 8:22:58 PM	#389
1059860 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 869	Um, Syclant has great stats for a mix-sweeper, so having a few weaknesses isn't that bad. Plus, most sweepers are meant to get owned by a few types of attacks, such as Aerodactyl and Weavile. I'd really want a Fire/Water pokemon with Yin-Yang ability or something since the type matching is Yin-Yang. __________________ Liu Yi Fei = Hot

Jan 20th, 2008, 8:42:34 PM	#390
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,906 Houston, TX	I'm not saying you can't make a Rock weakness work. You can. It was just such a constant drone on the Syclant threads. Admitted, Syclant was carrying a 4x weak to Rock, so it was a magnified problem. But, right now, it seems like Stealth Rock is SO overplayed in the metagame. There will be all sorts of SR discussions with this pokemon, no matter what we do. Indirect damage, the ability to spin away indirect damage, the ability to block spin, the ability to counter the spin blockers, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I'm so fucking sick of it! Yes, it's a way of life in today's metagame. But, do we really need to invite even more focus on it, by creating a pokemon weak to Rock? Yes, the other spikes come into play -- but they're nowhere near as prevalent as SR. I love the idea of Fire/Water (although I think of "steam"). Actually I love the idea of lots of Fire combinations. A true Fire/Ghost "Will-o-wisp" (where do you think the move got it's name?). Fire/Dragon -- How can this NOT be done by now? C'mon Fire Dragons are the most common dragon type in all sorts of gaming lore. I could go on. I just don't want to deal with any more Stealth Rock talk than is absolutely necessary. __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

Jan 21st, 2008, 11:14:58 AM	#392
Fierce Deity Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 157 Not in America	Sableye evo, he is gagging for one. __________________ Everyones a critic. You're not? Sure you are...