Ubers CCAT 3 - Skies are Clear - Page 28

justinhu · May 6th, 2013, 1:40:06 AM

YAYAYAY ITS DONEEEE (Even though I was only here for like the last bit lol)

Anyways, I can play around with this team right? And yeah, Choiced Dragons can just spam Draco Meteors and blow holes through this team, but lets see what it actually does in battles.

jackm · May 7th, 2013, 9:05:34 PM

Alright people...I'm going solo on the RMT, and in the interest of expedience, Any proposed tweaks must be proposed within the next 48 hours. Also, it's ok if you don't provide video evidence; however, you must provide a concrete, founded, and logical argument as to why your tweak should be implemented.

Also yeah justinhu you can use the team that's the whole point

deidarasenpai · May 7th, 2013, 9:39:02 PM

Regarding the Darkrai set, I'd recommend you try the dual status Darkrai. I've tested it a little bit (only about 10 matches though due to time constraints), and it works rather well for this team. Darkrai's really too frail for boosting with Nasty Plot, and mono-Dark coverage will restrict its chances at a sweep. On the other hand, the combination of Dark Void and Thunder Wave allow Darkrai to cripple two Pokemon, increasing the chances of Latios effectively doing its job.

Darkrai @ Life Orb
Trait: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dark Void
- Thunder Wave
- Dark Pulse
- Focus Blast

Brave Bird spam · May 7th, 2013, 10:59:59 PM

I think we should change arceus-ghost's EV spread. Right now it is our bulkiest member so it will have to take on various attacks (mostly draco meteors) more than the others. It can't do this with its current spread as well as it could.

The new spread might look like this:

Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 204 SAtk / 128 SDef / 176 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Judgment
- Focus Blast
- Recover

With these EVs, it outspeeds the lati twins, the most important benchmark it can hit without maxing speed, and lets it always live 2 consecutive draco meteors from a dragon with base 150 special attack and modest or 2 from timid white kyurem. It still isn't exactly a perfect answer but a little bit better than with the other spread.

jackm · May 12th, 2013, 1:11:26 AM

Jeez, sorry I've been gone for a while. Anyways, If anyone takes issue with implementing any of the proposed tweaks, speak now. If there are no objections within the next 24 hours, the team will be finalized with the tweaks and I'm going to begin the RMT.

List of proposed tweaks:
Sleep Talk>Toxic @ Terrakion
Dread Plate>Life Orb @ Darkrai
204 SAtk / 128 SDef / 176 Spe>existing spread @ Arceus Ghost

Note @ Deidarasenpai: I'm sorry, but the edit you proposed is a fairly radical change to Darkrai's place in the team; tweaks at the end are for optimizing the sets that we voted on, not proposing new sets.

**Furai** · May 12th, 2013, 3:18:47 AM

I support Sleep Talk > Toxic on Terrakion as we have Darkrai.

I suggest Leftovers on Darkrai. Why? You're using Substitute. You'd get worn off too quickly with any other item.

I think Ghost Arceus needs max Speed in order to check Extreme Killer as best as it can; otherwise, +2 Shadow Claw is gonna hurt.

I'd also like to purpose Roost > Grass Knot on Latios. What does Grass Knot really give us? Groudon is smacked by Draco Meteor, Kyogre is wrecked by Psyshock, etc.

I'm glad to see that this was finished; superb work jackm.

lousy918 · May 12th, 2013, 5:38:23 AM

huh technically that guy is just proposing T-wave > Sub, like sleep talk > toxic.
also one pokemon is missing from the first post

deidarasenpai · May 12th, 2013, 12:15:24 PM

The OP is not yet updated I think.
Also, I really think that darkrai needs the extra coverage in focus blast.
Darkrai using just dark pulse isn't very versatile, and struggles to take down steel types and to an extent dark types.

Substitute protects darkrai from being revenge killed, so Focus Blast > Nasty Plot. Is this a small enough edit?
And I actually prefer life orb on this set.

Sleep Talk > Toxic on Terrakion

I also like the current ghostceus spread too but idk

Donkey · May 12th, 2013, 2:24:35 PM

dread plate or life orb on sub darkrai?

wat is this thread

jackm · May 13th, 2013, 12:04:56 AM

Well, it's looking like Sleep Talk>Toxic is unanimous. I'll update the OP. As for the rest of the proposed tweaks, let's try to get unanimous on them within the next ~48 hours. I'm going to be offline for a week starting tuesday, so any changes made from that tuesday to next tuesday will have to wait to be implemented. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Keep up the good work, everyone! Let's finish this project off!

jackm · May 24th, 2013, 9:53:19 AM

Well I'm back. If anyone has anything to say before this is finalized, speak within the next 48 hours. I will implement all unopposed tweaks and any tweaks that have been generally agreed on by that time, so speak now or forever hold your peace.

deidarasenpai · May 24th, 2013, 12:14:52 PM

Tweaks I'd like:
Keep Arceus-Ghost's current 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid
Darkrai: Substitute / Dark Void / Dark Pulse / Focus Blast @ Leftovers
I also like the utility of Grass Knot on Latios as even though Draco Meteor hurts Groudon, it leaves Latios extremely crippled and if Steel-types switch in, Latios is forced out.

blitzlefan · Jun 3rd, 2013, 11:01:48 AM

Any chance I could help with the RMT? I know it's late, but... maybe?

View Poll Results: What Pokemon should we base our team around?
Dual Screens Arceus	0	0%
Ludicolo	4	6.67%
Power Herb Kyurem-B	5	8.33%
Substitute Darkai	1	1.67%
Smash recipient Dialga	11	18.33%
CM Arceus-Dragon	10	16.67%
SubSeed Shaymin-S	4	6.67%
SD Arceus-Ground	3	5.00%
LO Kyurem-B	0	0%
CM Lugia	3	5.00%
Latios	2	3.33%
BU Dialga	6	10.00%
CM Arceus-Fighting	2	3.33%
Scarf Rayquaza	1	1.67%
Scarf Salamence	3	5.00%
SubCM Giratina-O	5	8.33%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

May 7th, 2013, 9:05:34 PM	#677
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 331 Seattle	Alright people...I'm going solo on the RMT, and in the interest of expedience, Any proposed tweaks must be proposed within the next 48 hours. Also, it's ok if you don't provide video evidence; however, you must provide a concrete, founded, and logical argument as to why your tweak should be implemented. Also yeah justinhu you can use the team that's the whole point __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

May 12th, 2013, 1:11:26 AM	#680
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 331 Seattle	Jeez, sorry I've been gone for a while. Anyways, If anyone takes issue with implementing any of the proposed tweaks, speak now. If there are no objections within the next 24 hours, the team will be finalized with the tweaks and I'm going to begin the RMT. List of proposed tweaks: Sleep Talk>Toxic @ Terrakion Dread Plate>Life Orb @ Darkrai 204 SAtk / 128 SDef / 176 Spe>existing spread @ Arceus Ghost Note @ Deidarasenpai: I'm sorry, but the edit you proposed is a fairly radical change to Darkrai's place in the team; tweaks at the end are for optimizing the sets that we voted on, not proposing new sets. __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

May 12th, 2013, 3:18:47 AM	#681
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,211	I support Sleep Talk > Toxic on Terrakion as we have Darkrai. I suggest Leftovers on Darkrai. Why? You're using Substitute. You'd get worn off too quickly with any other item. I think Ghost Arceus needs max Speed in order to check Extreme Killer as best as it can; otherwise, +2 Shadow Claw is gonna hurt. I'd also like to purpose Roost > Grass Knot on Latios. What does Grass Knot really give us? Groudon is smacked by Draco Meteor, Kyogre is wrecked by Psyshock, etc. I'm glad to see that this was finished; superb work jackm. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

May 12th, 2013, 5:38:23 AM	#682
lousy918 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 324 yes, it's spelt 'potatoes'	huh technically that guy is just proposing T-wave > Sub, like sleep talk > toxic. also one pokemon is missing from the first post __________________ (13:00:26) ±Porygon: Your rank in Battle Factory is 1/422 [1180 points / 7 battles] [14:51] ginganinja: I love Jirachi

May 6th, 2013, 1:40:06 AM	#676
justinhu Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 27	YAYAYAY ITS DONEEEE (Even though I was only here for like the last bit lol) Anyways, I can play around with this team right? And yeah, Choiced Dragons can just spam Draco Meteors and blow holes through this team, but lets see what it actually does in battles.

May 7th, 2013, 9:39:02 PM	#678
deidarasenpai Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 63	Regarding the Darkrai set, I'd recommend you try the dual status Darkrai. I've tested it a little bit (only about 10 matches though due to time constraints), and it works rather well for this team. Darkrai's really too frail for boosting with Nasty Plot, and mono-Dark coverage will restrict its chances at a sweep. On the other hand, the combination of Dark Void and Thunder Wave allow Darkrai to cripple two Pokemon, increasing the chances of Latios effectively doing its job. Darkrai @ Life Orb Trait: Bad Dreams EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Dark Void - Thunder Wave - Dark Pulse - Focus Blast

May 7th, 2013, 10:59:59 PM	#679
Brave Bird spam Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 53	I think we should change arceus-ghost's EV spread. Right now it is our bulkiest member so it will have to take on various attacks (mostly draco meteors) more than the others. It can't do this with its current spread as well as it could. The new spread might look like this: Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate Trait: Multitype EVs: 204 SAtk / 128 SDef / 176 Spd Timid Nature - Calm Mind - Judgment - Focus Blast - Recover With these EVs, it outspeeds the lati twins, the most important benchmark it can hit without maxing speed, and lets it always live 2 consecutive draco meteors from a dragon with base 150 special attack and modest or 2 from timid white kyurem. It still isn't exactly a perfect answer but a little bit better than with the other spread.

May 12th, 2013, 12:15:24 PM	#683
deidarasenpai Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 63	The OP is not yet updated I think. Also, I really think that darkrai needs the extra coverage in focus blast. Darkrai using just dark pulse isn't very versatile, and struggles to take down steel types and to an extent dark types. Substitute protects darkrai from being revenge killed, so Focus Blast > Nasty Plot. Is this a small enough edit? And I actually prefer life orb on this set. Sleep Talk > Toxic on Terrakion I also like the current ghostceus spread too but idk

May 12th, 2013, 2:24:35 PM	#684
Donkey Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 229 Sasha uses Smashpass	dread plate or life orb on sub darkrai? wat is this thread

May 13th, 2013, 12:04:56 AM	#685
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 331 Seattle	Well, it's looking like Sleep Talk>Toxic is unanimous. I'll update the OP. As for the rest of the proposed tweaks, let's try to get unanimous on them within the next ~48 hours. I'm going to be offline for a week starting tuesday, so any changes made from that tuesday to next tuesday will have to wait to be implemented. Sorry for any inconvenience. Keep up the good work, everyone! Let's finish this project off! __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

May 24th, 2013, 9:53:19 AM	#686
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 331 Seattle	Well I'm back. If anyone has anything to say before this is finalized, speak within the next 48 hours. I will implement all unopposed tweaks and any tweaks that have been generally agreed on by that time, so speak now or forever hold your peace. __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

May 24th, 2013, 12:14:52 PM	#687
deidarasenpai Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 63	Tweaks I'd like: Keep Arceus-Ghost's current 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Darkrai: Substitute / Dark Void / Dark Pulse / Focus Blast @ Leftovers I also like the utility of Grass Knot on Latios as even though Draco Meteor hurts Groudon, it leaves Latios extremely crippled and if Steel-types switch in, Latios is forced out.

Jun 3rd, 2013, 11:01:48 AM	#688
blitzlefan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 622 Animal Crossing: New Leaf :)	Any chance I could help with the RMT? I know it's late, but... maybe? __________________ VM or PM me for Ubers RMT rates! Also, I can make amateur checks for analyses!