Dark-types: Shedding some light on the matter. - Page 2

Jewelwriter · Jun 28th, 2012, 1:41:55 PM

Try this out. Now that PKMN B2W2 is out...this is legal.
[Gambler's Liepard]
Liepard (m or f)
Prankster
Adamant / Modest
@ Leftovers
Evs (Adamant): 252 Atk / 124 Def / 124 SDef / 8 Spd
Evs (Modest): 124 Def / 252 SAtk / 124 SDef / 8 Spd
Assist
Attract
Substitute
Thunder Wave

This fits in great with any Team leaning more to one side or another, especially for a one type Pokemon. It'd depend on the pokemon you'd have on your side, but man the mon would be a VERY Nasty Surprise for anyone without priority.

PrimeMinister · Jun 28th, 2012, 3:48:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Rizen

I'm going to take a shot at this. Mightyena has terrible stats but if we're going to even attempt to use it, we may as look at what it had rather than just assuming it's terribad, and for my look I'm going to ignore Moxie, it's Dream World may boost it's attack by 1 stage per kill, but it's not worth it as it most likely is only hitting 1 at best.

Perhaps something like this would work for Mightyena.

Mightyena (F)
Intimidate
Jolly/Adamant
@Razor Fang/Life Orb
Astonish
Me First
Sucker Punch
Attract/Return/Rock Smash

The EV's I'm not sure of, and I'm disregarding the Elemental Fangs because Me First would probably be more usable as far as I can think. I just also wouldn't ever see a point to banding/scarfing Mightyena and it needs something that will give it a chance to not die to almost anything.

Whoa, what? Attract? Me first? Razor Fang? What are those accomplishing?
First off, attract. Why? Attract is very gimmicky and situational. You don't know what the other pokemon's gender will be. Even if attract hits, the opponent can easily switch out. They can then bring in a fighting type such as Sawk, which outspeeds mightyena, resists its STAB and will OHKO it with CC. You're giving the opponent a chance to switch out.

Me first- same thing with attract, except worse. If your opponent is, say, trying to set up a sweep, your doing nothing by copying their boosts. I can't even explain how bad me first is. In order for it to be effective AT ALL, you'll need to identify the set your opponent's Pokemon is running, and predict their next move, and decide if the move is effective against your opponent. If the opponent's Pokemon is offensive (chances are it will be in this meta and the Pokemon youre using), they'll likely use a STAB attack, which won't be dark type because they'll avoid resistance.
Most types resist themselves, so you'll hit the opponent with a resisted attack, and they'll hit you with STAB. Not a good trade.

I really can't criticize anymore because your intentions with this set are unclear, but assuming it's offensive, this is a very unstable set. It's very situational. Moxie is mighty's only positive aspect, and you throw that away?

Razor fang- 10 percent flinch rate? How is that helpful? Are you trying to finch your opponent to death with astonish and razor fang? Astonish would do so little damage! Leave flinching to dunsparce, seriously.

This set needs.... I don't know what...

Keiran · Jun 28th, 2012, 5:24:01 PM

So with the advent of BW2, Liepard was gifted with a few toys, namely Prankster and Dark Pulse. Prior to BW2, Liepard's options for a special STAB move were limited to Snarl and... Hidden Power Dark. But no more, with Dark Pulse, Liepard can finally use an effective Nasty Plot set coming from a respective base 88 Special Attack stat. Here's the set I would probably use.

Liepard @ Life Orb
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Dark Pulse
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Encore

Encore is great for Liepard as it opens up many set-up opportunities against the various Psychic-types in the tier by locking them into their STAB move. As an added bonus, with the release of Prankster, Encore gains +1 priority - as does Nasty Plot - which helps against Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Gardevoir, Kadabra and Trick Room. Dark Pulse and Hidden Power Fighting, together make perfect coverage. Alternately, a set utilising Liepard's decent support movepool and Prankster is usable.

Sweet Jesus · Jun 28th, 2012, 6:52:27 PM

I had the same idea for liepard. The set looks awesome to me. Encore can be used on so much more than only psychic attacks (I'm always abusing that move). Using it on sub sweepers and weather inducers like ludicolo gives it a great secondary anti sweep role. I also like how he's the only poke at 106 speed meaning hp fighting isn't breaking speed ties on anything but opposing Liepard. Resistance to sucker punch is cool too. Priority Nasty plot is near usless though, prankster is really for encore only.

Jun 28th, 2012, 1:41:55 PM	#26
Jewelwriter Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 18	Try this out. Now that PKMN B2W2 is out...this is legal. [Gambler's Liepard] Liepard (m or f) Prankster Adamant / Modest @ Leftovers Evs (Adamant): 252 Atk / 124 Def / 124 SDef / 8 Spd Evs (Modest): 124 Def / 252 SAtk / 124 SDef / 8 Spd Assist Attract Substitute Thunder Wave This fits in great with any Team leaning more to one side or another, especially for a one type Pokemon. It'd depend on the pokemon you'd have on your side, but man the mon would be a VERY Nasty Surprise for anyone without priority. __________________ If you want to talk to me...Email or PM me!

Jun 28th, 2012, 5:24:01 PM	#28
Keiran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 442 memory is ram	So with the advent of BW2, Liepard was gifted with a few toys, namely Prankster and Dark Pulse. Prior to BW2, Liepard's options for a special STAB move were limited to Snarl and... Hidden Power Dark. But no more, with Dark Pulse, Liepard can finally use an effective Nasty Plot set coming from a respective base 88 Special Attack stat. Here's the set I would probably use. Liepard @ Life Orb Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Nasty Plot - Dark Pulse - Hidden Power [Fighting] - Encore Encore is great for Liepard as it opens up many set-up opportunities against the various Psychic-types in the tier by locking them into their STAB move. As an added bonus, with the release of Prankster, Encore gains +1 priority - as does Nasty Plot - which helps against Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Gardevoir, Kadabra and Trick Room. Dark Pulse and Hidden Power Fighting, together make perfect coverage. Alternately, a set utilising Liepard's decent support movepool and Prankster is usable. __________________ http://i.imgur.com/V3gVE.png http://i.imgur.com/DtPw4.png

Jun 28th, 2012, 6:52:27 PM	#29
Sweet Jesus Neal and Jack and me, absent lovers... Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 404 Montreal	I had the same idea for liepard. The set looks awesome to me. Encore can be used on so much more than only psychic attacks (I'm always abusing that move). Using it on sub sweepers and weather inducers like ludicolo gives it a great secondary anti sweep role. I also like how he's the only poke at 106 speed meaning hp fighting isn't breaking speed ties on anything but opposing Liepard. Resistance to sucker punch is cool too. Priority Nasty plot is near usless though, prankster is really for encore only.