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thesynchrohero · Aug 10th, 2012, 6:59:33 AM

Amoonguss @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Def / 200 HP / 56 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Spore
- Stun Spore
- Hidden Power [Flying]

this guys moveset is taken from the foogus says otherwise rmt and it works wonders.he can easily tank a hit and strike back before switching out.he checks fighting and rock types very well and is part of my mushroom + whatever phione is core.this guy can take non ground type psyical attacks for days and is my counter to fighting types.i usually lead off with this guy because he can normally force lots of switches with dual status and giga drain.

Bastiodon @ Chople Berry
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 240 SDef / 36 HP / 232 Atk
Sassy Nature
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Earthquake

bastidon is my stealth rock setter and shuffler and mixed wall all in one.with the given ev's and nature he equal defense an spec.d.this guy can hard counter corsola taking about 29 - 34% from 56 ev neutral natured corsola damage calcs

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i can take a focus blast and roar out ampharos thanks to my chople berry and kill it with magmar later if stealth rock is up.i can take out most of the defensive rock types in the tier with this guy and sometimes they just give me a free stealth rock before i start phazing stuff.i do not really have much else to say about this guy.

Emolga @ Choice Specs
Trait: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Volt Switch
- Signal Beam

emolga's speed stat is famed for allowing it to outspeed base 100 pokemon but it can out speed even garchomp with its base 103 speed.this is in my opinion the strongest set emolga can use and it is very effective boltbeam and bug is very good but i am thinking about changing hidden power to flying to take out fighting types.this guy is my utility counter to sawk that has sturdy broken as well as my troh counter.i use this guy over rotom-s because this guy pretty much out speeds the whole unboosted meta game with no scarf and rotom-s does not.

Grotle @ Eviolite
Trait: Shell Armor
EVs: 160 SDef / 252 HP / 96 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Seed Bomb
- Synthesis

this is a very unexpected set and can get stealth rock up reliably if bastidon cant.toxic for damage.seed bomb for stuff weak to grass and synthesis for reliable healing.this guy can bring fire types in for phione to get his walling capabilities way up.if this guy gets a favorable match up he can let me evaluate my opponents prediction skills.i use this guy over torterra for better SDef and suprise factor.

Magmar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Flamethrower

i said earlier in the rmt that i can kill ampharos with this guy and with stealth rock up it is a sure 2hko with flamethrower.

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magmar is my revenge killer and he does a good job of it.he can revenge corsola that have been weakened with hidden power and he can do the same to swellow.this guy can plow through weakend teams if locked into the right move with his very good neutral coverage and relatively high power.

Phione @ Cell Battery
Trait: Hydration
EVs: 200 SDef / 252 HP / 56 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Rain Dance
- Rest
- Acid Armor
- Scald

this guy is the main psychical wall and my fire type counter.he can use rain dance plus rest for reliable recovery.this is a very hard to counter set because of it's ev spread.it can do work on water weak opponents with scald.acid armor is very good and is actually quite useful. this guy can wall for days if it gets 3 acid armors up.if this guy had a better movepool and typing he could potentially be ru.

ChaoticaMortis · Aug 10th, 2012, 11:56:39 AM

Please take the NU tier, as well as the RMT section a little more seriously. Anyone who posts a team with Pokemon like Phione and Grotle obviously has no idea what works in NU. The fact that you think countering Corsola is important leads me to believe you're either completely trolling or have virtually no understanding of the game. You also need to expand your descriptions much more and give reasons why you're using things like Grotle over Torterra, Emolga over Rotom-S, etc.

Here's the NU Forum, as well as a link to Battling 101.

thesynchrohero · Aug 10th, 2012, 1:34:32 PM

grotle is actually quite useful and so is phione and countering corsola is not his job just one he does well

WhiteDMist · Aug 10th, 2012, 3:21:18 PM

Sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with Chaotica. A proper RMT needs to have more than 3 sentence descriptions. I also already told you before that mot of the things on your team are done better by other Pokemon in the tier. It is one thing to be creative and use unique/gimmicky sets. It is another to post a RMT about a team that is full of them and expect raters to not point out the flaws. You also really would be better off waiting a full 10 days between RMTs, especially since this particular team was already locked once. If you show this to Delko, I believe he would unlock your previous RMT once he believes that you have corrected all the original problems.

I won't even touch on Cell Battery Phione...

lousy918 · Aug 11th, 2012, 4:00:27 AM

I suggest using Delibird somewhere on your team. You see, Delibird evolves into Articuno, so it can utilise Eviolite. Plus Delibird has Vital Spirit and Rapid Spin, a rare ability and a rare move.

Delibird @ Eviolite
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Gentle Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Attract
- Protect
- Splash / Hail

Splash can stall out their PP, but hail can deal damage to them, in conjunction with Attract and Protect, your opponent will quit in no time! :D
lolwut

thesynchrohero · Aug 11th, 2012, 4:54:43 AM

wth?

Agent Dell · Aug 11th, 2012, 5:14:25 AM

Please, opt out on the trolling. Don't post on RMT's unless you are willing to give legitimate advice and suggestions for the team.

TheKillerNachoFan · Aug 11th, 2012, 3:31:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat lousy918

I suggest using Delibird somewhere on your team. You see, Delibird evolves into Articuno, so it can utilise Eviolite. Plus Delibird has Vital Spirit and Rapid Spin, a rare ability and a rare move.

Delibird @ Eviolite
Ability: Vital Spirit
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Gentle Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Attract
- Protect
- Splash / Hail

Splash can stall out their PP, but hail can deal damage to them, in conjunction with Attract and Protect, your opponent will quit in no time! :D
lolwut

Thats not good, delibird doesnt evolve into articuno, the set is horrible, spa is not needed, and delibird dies before rapid spin anyway. attract is undependable,protect not needed, gentle is bad, splash and hail are both horrible.

TheStarRapper · Aug 11th, 2012, 4:41:23 PM

Oh god someone even took the bait...

Anyway, I'll touch on the flaws of Grotle. You supposedly say that you use him over Torterra for "better SpD and surprise factor). Better SpD is irrelevant when you are outsped/ can't do any damage to mons who blast you with deadly Fire and Ice attacks. I would also suggest that when you switch to Torterra, you change Seed Bomb to Wood Hammer, you have synthesis to offset recoil. Change SR to Earthquake, as much as having two hazard users is nice, competitive teams really shouldn't be doubling up on moves unless it's for an actual purpose like Double Dragon. On the whole Grass/Ground coverage issue, you seem to have a couple ice/electric attacks so you should be alright against flying.

For Phione, I do not see the point of the set. Say Ampharos comes in and hits you with thunderbolt. Cell Battery does not block the hit. You just die, that's it. Also, monowater attacking coverage can always be a risky endeavor, not just for Water Absorbers, but also for Bulky Grasses like Amoonguss who easily Giga Drain you. Replace him with a better bulky water like Relicanth who has major attacking power and can actually stand up the Normal/Flying threats of the birds. Go here to choose a set http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/relicanth.

Good luck with the team, make sure to browse through the threat list for NU a little bit so you have an idea of what you'll be going up against.

thesynchrohero · Aug 11th, 2012, 5:10:25 PM

thanks for your opinion

BROStime · Aug 11th, 2012, 9:28:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TheKillerNachoFan

Thats not good, delibird doesnt evolve into articuno, the set is horrible, spa is not needed, and delibird dies before rapid spin anyway. attract is undependable,protect not needed, gentle is bad, splash and hail are both horrible.

Wow you for real ? O.o

Xelacalle · Aug 11th, 2012, 10:13:40 PM

Hey thesynchrohero, I find your team interesting and it seems you've put a little thought into this team but there's a few things that you could definitely change to improve the synergy and potentially make this a better team.

The first thing that I would say is, seeing as you're using Phione, why not make this a rain team? All you would need to do is replace Phione's Cell Battery with a Damp Rock and you're good to go. As Phione tends to last a while, you're probably going to be able to set up the rain more than once just with him.

If you do decide to go for this, your Emolga would be able to run Thunder instead of Thunderbolt as it has 100% accuracy in the rain and is significantly more powerful. However, something to note so that Magmar's STAB will be reduced in power by the rain, so it may be better to use something else. Seeing as you're using Emolga, I'm tempted to suggest you use Wartortle, as it can spin away rocks (which would hurt Emolga a lot) as well as bait Electric type attacks to get you your Motor Drive boost. Seeing as your team seems mostly bulky, you would definitely benefit from Rapid Spin.

Finally, your Grotle is not really necessary - especially with rain up. Bastiodon is unlikely to be unable to get Rocks up as it has Sturdy, and the Rain will make Synthesis heal you for less. Because of this, and the removal of Magmar, I'm going to suggest you use either Life Orb Articuno, Choice Scarf Articuno or Choice Band Armaldo. Both are fairly bulky and can do a lot of damage to an opposing team in the rain.

Changes:

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If you don't want to go for a full-on rain team it seems the other posters have that covered.

Hope this helped!

thesynchrohero · Aug 12th, 2012, 12:14:36 PM

i will test, thanks

NuclearMedicineT · Aug 12th, 2012, 12:51:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Xelacalle

Hey thesynchrohero, I find your team interesting and it seems you've put a little thought into this team but there's a few things that you could definitely change to improve the synergy and potentially make this a better team.

The first thing that I would say is, seeing as you're using Phione, why not make this a rain team? All you would need to do is replace Phione's Cell Battery with a Damp Rock and you're good to go. As Phione tends to last a while, you're probably going to be able to set up the rain more than once just with him.

If you do decide to go for this, your Emolga would be able to run Thunder instead of Thunderbolt as it has 100% accuracy in the rain and is significantly more powerful. However, something to note so that Magmar's STAB will be reduced in power by the rain, so it may be better to use something else. Seeing as you're using Emolga, I'm tempted to suggest you use Wartortle, as it can spin away rocks (which would hurt Emolga a lot) as well as bait Electric type attacks to get you your Motor Drive boost. Seeing as your team seems mostly bulky, you would definitely benefit from Rapid Spin.

Finally, your Grotle is not really necessary - especially with rain up. Bastiodon is unlikely to be unable to get Rocks up as it has Sturdy, and the Rain will make Synthesis heal you for less. Because of this, and the removal of Magmar, I'm going to suggest you use either Life Orb Articuno, Choice Scarf Articuno or Choice Band Armaldo. Both are fairly bulky and can do a lot of damage to an opposing team in the rain.

Changes:

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If you don't want to go for a full-on rain team it seems the other posters have that covered.

Hope this helped!

In my opinion you can use the standard Armaldo set and switch Wartortle to a better rain sweeper like Ludicolo because it never does anything but spinning. Ludicolo can also set up Rain Dance reliably, atleast for itself. I have trouble seeing why Emolga should be used over Rotom-S and why you're using that Bastiodon set. You should just change Bastiodon to 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def Careful.

In case you're a little confused:
SD Armaldo > Grotle
Ludicolo > Magmar
Rotom-S > Emolga
Bastiodon should use Max HP, Max SpD, 4 Def and Careful Nature.

Set(s)

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Hope it works out!

WhiteDMist · Aug 12th, 2012, 3:44:11 PM

Guys, this is a RATE my team, not a REMAKE my team. If you have to replace 3 or more Pokemon or change the entire theme of the team, then something is wrong. Despite that, I have to agree with any post that recommends replacing Emolga and Grotle (Phione as well though replacing the item is a higher priority). If this was supposed to be a Rain team, it would have been created as a Rain team.

If you really want a rate, I'll give you a few options that don't completely change your team, but it will still require you to upgrade a couple of Pokes. First, from the top: Amoonguss has no reason to use HP Flying over Sludge Bomb. Sludge Bomb does more to Fighting types thanks to STAB and it still does absolutely nothing to Steel types that wall you. Bastiodon definitely should have a Specially Defensive Spread, and I even would say that Magic Coat would be more useful than Earthquake/Iron Head/Stone Edge. BTW, saying that Bastiodon hard counters Corsola makes it harder for most raters to take you seriously, since Corsola has a very small niche in the first place.

Emolga is definitely better off being replaced by Scarf Rotom-S. Sure, it lacks a good ability, but it is a great revenge killer. It's in the mold of Emolga, but just far superior. Magmar can then replace Choice Scarf with Life Orb. I also recommend HP Grass over Electric since Seismitoad is more common than Mantine. Flamethrower becomes uneccesary unless you desperately need the accuracy and PP; Substitute becomes a far more useful option to block status and buffer attacks.

For Phione, Cell Battery has GOT TO GO! There are many better items for that slot, the best of which are Damp Rock and Leftovers. Damp Rock is the better item for the extended Rain turns, despite this not being a Rain based team. Next, Acid Armor is not really that great, nor is your EV spread using Phione to its fullest effect. Defensive boosts are hardly ever used because they do not provide any protection against status and they are ignored by critical hits. More importantly, you need to boost many times in order to become virutally unbreakable physically, and you are still vulnerable to powerful special attackers. U-turn with a physically defensive EV spread is more useful for providing momentum, as well as to bring in the next Pokemon I am going to recommend.

If you are going to have Phione, then you need at least one Pokemon to take advantage of the Rain, or else you are better off with a different Water type. Ludicolo and Seismitoad both fit this role perfectly; one can replace Grotle easily with them. Both have some advantages and disadvantages for your team that I will list. Ludicolo makes it so that your team is well protected against Gorebyss. It has good overall bulk (less than Grotle but far superior in offensive power and can actually carry Leftovers or Life Orb). It does make you slightly weaker to Braviary, but you should still be able to deal with it with some switching around between Bastiodon, Rotom-S and Amonguss. Seismitoad makes it so that you have no trouble with Rotom-S (who can hurt most of your current team and Trick Bastiodon). You also have a better time taking Banded Emboar's attacks (it only needs Flare Blitz and Superpower to break holes in your team with some decent prediction). Fire types in general don't threaten you as much anymore either. A bonus is that neither Pokemon need to have Swift Swim to take advantage of the Rain, so they can use the bulkier movesets that you seem to like as well. Ludicolo has Rain Dish to make either an offensive tank or a SubSeeder; Seismitoad has Water Absorb for amazing utitlity.

All these changes should bring out the best potential of your team. This will probably let you at least try and battle the top players of the tier (of which I am not) more effectively. Regardless, these changes will at least stand up to other players in higher level play.

Changes:
Amoonguss: Sludge Bomb>HP Flying
Bastiodon: Special Defensive set>whatever you consider your set right now
Magmar: Life Orb set>Choice Scarf
Phione: Damp Rock set>Cell Battery
Scarf Rotom-S>Emolga
Seismitoad/Ludicolo>Grotle

Changes

While I don't understand WHY you have posted this team a THIRD time, I do acknowledge that you have at least increased your descriptions somewhat (we'll see what the mods think I guess). I'm still not sure what you are trying to do with this team (I assumed bulky offense) and I don't approve of the gimmicks you were using. A single gimmick is more than enough in a competitive team, unless you are testing out a set (in which case you shouldn't really be making a RMT about it). That being said, if you replace those gimmicks with even a few of the recommendations I or another rater made (except Lousy918

), I can see this team being rather solid in the current NU metagame (a nice thing is that you have a good amount of Pokes that can escape the clutches of Shadow Tag Gothitelle). Still, next time you make a RMT, please leave out the large number of gimmicks if you can. It makes raters more eager to rate.

thesynchrohero · Aug 13th, 2012, 6:09:44 AM

i will test the item on phione and ludicolo changes but the other are important parts that arent changeable

NuclearMedicineT · Aug 13th, 2012, 7:21:51 AM

Lol WhiteDMist is right, we went a little crazy on the whole rain idea. Make sure you read all the sets in his post though because some of your "custom" sets are really not working that well. Also, please consider Rotom over Emolga because A) It really is better and B) It gives you the possibility to use a more powerful set on Magmar to make sure it isn't dead weight or anything. But yeah, after these changes the team looks solid. Hopefully it will work better on the ladder. :)

WhiteDMist · Aug 13th, 2012, 11:41:44 AM

Aren't changeable huh? If you aren't going to take (or even listen to) earnest advice, then why bother posting a RMT? If you have a logical argument for why you don't want to change something, that is understandable. But without giving a reason, it just makes you seem petty and unreasonable. You also haven't acknowledged any of the other points about team theme, nor about the fact that this is the same RMT you have already posted (and had locked) twice. ChaoticaMortis is right, show some respect for the NU tier, and the RMT section if you want us to respect you back.

Aug 10th, 2012, 6:59:33 AM	#1
thesynchrohero Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 180	qwerty Amoonguss @ Leftovers Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 Def / 200 HP / 56 SAtk Bold Nature - Giga Drain - Spore - Stun Spore - Hidden Power [Flying] this guys moveset is taken from the foogus says otherwise rmt and it works wonders.he can easily tank a hit and strike back before switching out.he checks fighting and rock types very well and is part of my mushroom + whatever phione is core.this guy can take non ground type psyical attacks for days and is my counter to fighting types.i usually lead off with this guy because he can normally force lots of switches with dual status and giga drain. Bastiodon @ Chople Berry Trait: Sturdy EVs: 240 SDef / 36 HP / 232 Atk Sassy Nature - Roar - Stealth Rock - Toxic - Earthquake bastidon is my stealth rock setter and shuffler and mixed wall all in one.with the given ev's and nature he equal defense an spec.d.this guy can hard counter corsola taking about 29 - 34% from 56 ev neutral natured corsola damage calcs ... 36/240 Sassy Bastiodon vs. 56 Relaxed Corsola (80bp Water Special) : 28.9% - 34.1% 232 Sassy Bastiodon Earthquake vs. 252/200 Relaxed Corsola : 32.5% - 38.9% i can take a focus blast and roar out ampharos thanks to my chople berry and kill it with magmar later if stealth rock is up.i can take out most of the defensive rock types in the tier with this guy and sometimes they just give me a free stealth rock before i start phazing stuff.i do not really have much else to say about this guy. Emolga @ Choice Specs Trait: Motor Drive EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Modest Nature - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power [Ice] - Volt Switch - Signal Beam emolga's speed stat is famed for allowing it to outspeed base 100 pokemon but it can out speed even garchomp with its base 103 speed.this is in my opinion the strongest set emolga can use and it is very effective boltbeam and bug is very good but i am thinking about changing hidden power to flying to take out fighting types.this guy is my utility counter to sawk that has sturdy broken as well as my troh counter.i use this guy over rotom-s because this guy pretty much out speeds the whole unboosted meta game with no scarf and rotom-s does not. Grotle @ Eviolite Trait: Shell Armor EVs: 160 SDef / 252 HP / 96 Atk - Stealth Rock - Toxic - Seed Bomb - Synthesis this is a very unexpected set and can get stealth rock up reliably if bastidon cant.toxic for damage.seed bomb for stuff weak to grass and synthesis for reliable healing.this guy can bring fire types in for phione to get his walling capabilities way up.if this guy gets a favorable match up he can let me evaluate my opponents prediction skills.i use this guy over torterra for better SDef and suprise factor. Magmar @ Choice Scarf Trait: Vital Spirit EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Modest Nature - Fire Blast - Focus Blast - Hidden Power [Electric] - Flamethrower i said earlier in the rmt that i can kill ampharos with this guy and with stealth rock up it is a sure 2hko with flamethrower. ... 252 Timid Ampharos Power Gem vs. 4/0 Modest Magmar : 58.8% - 69.9% 0/4 Timid Ampharos vs. 252 Modest Magmar Flamethrower : 58.8% - 69.9% magmar is my revenge killer and he does a good job of it.he can revenge corsola that have been weakened with hidden power and he can do the same to swellow.this guy can plow through weakend teams if locked into the right move with his very good neutral coverage and relatively high power. Phione @ Cell Battery Trait: Hydration EVs: 200 SDef / 252 HP / 56 SAtk Calm Nature - Rain Dance - Rest - Acid Armor - Scald this guy is the main psychical wall and my fire type counter.he can use rain dance plus rest for reliable recovery.this is a very hard to counter set because of it's ev spread.it can do work on water weak opponents with scald.acid armor is very good and is actually quite useful. this guy can wall for days if it gets 3 acid armors up.if this guy had a better movepool and typing he could potentially be ru. Last edited by thesynchrohero; Aug 11th, 2012 at 3:57:24 AM. Reason: making descriptions longer

Aug 10th, 2012, 3:21:18 PM	#4
WhiteDMist If happy ever after did exist Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 523 I'm at a payphone!	Sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with Chaotica. A proper RMT needs to have more than 3 sentence descriptions. I also already told you before that mot of the things on your team are done better by other Pokemon in the tier. It is one thing to be creative and use unique/gimmicky sets. It is another to post a RMT about a team that is full of them and expect raters to not point out the flaws. You also really would be better off waiting a full 10 days between RMTs, especially since this particular team was already locked once. If you show this to Delko, I believe he would unlock your previous RMT once he believes that you have corrected all the original problems. I won't even touch on Cell Battery Phione... __________________ Message me for NU RMT rates! PU: Pokemon Database The PU Viability Rankings PU- NU in NU PU Research Week Project PU

Aug 11th, 2012, 4:00:27 AM	#5
lousy918 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 298 At home	I suggest using Delibird somewhere on your team. You see, Delibird evolves into Articuno, so it can utilise Eviolite. Plus Delibird has Vital Spirit and Rapid Spin, a rare ability and a rare move. Delibird @ Eviolite Ability: Vital Spirit EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 Spe Gentle Nature - Rapid Spin - Attract - Protect - Splash / Hail Splash can stall out their PP, but hail can deal damage to them, in conjunction with Attract and Protect, your opponent will quit in no time! :D lolwut __________________ http://prntscr.com/sxnd3 \| http://prntscr.com/tprhc (13:00:26) ±Porygon: Your rank in Battle Factory is 1/422 [1180 points / 7 battles]! SCREW SMORGERN, THE MODS ARE GAY especially Jirachi, i checked the rules and insulting a set that indeed sucks is okay smogoners are bootlickers, sucking up to mods and giving them luvdiscs and rates but not to unbadged ppl who don't bootlick despite them posting a similar rmt earlier

Aug 11th, 2012, 5:14:25 AM	#7
Agent Dell Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 185 The cold, lonely Michigan world of PSIence.	Please, opt out on the trolling. Don't post on RMT's unless you are willing to give legitimate advice and suggestions for the team. __________________ Pride! http://i.imgur.com/hSQ7n.gif Current RMT:Dual Normal Kiss

Aug 11th, 2012, 4:41:23 PM	#9
TheStarRapper Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 179 Everybody gets one.	Oh god someone even took the bait... Anyway, I'll touch on the flaws of Grotle. You supposedly say that you use him over Torterra for "better SpD and surprise factor). Better SpD is irrelevant when you are outsped/ can't do any damage to mons who blast you with deadly Fire and Ice attacks. I would also suggest that when you switch to Torterra, you change Seed Bomb to Wood Hammer, you have synthesis to offset recoil. Change SR to Earthquake, as much as having two hazard users is nice, competitive teams really shouldn't be doubling up on moves unless it's for an actual purpose like Double Dragon. On the whole Grass/Ground coverage issue, you seem to have a couple ice/electric attacks so you should be alright against flying. For Phione, I do not see the point of the set. Say Ampharos comes in and hits you with thunderbolt. Cell Battery does not block the hit. You just die, that's it. Also, monowater attacking coverage can always be a risky endeavor, not just for Water Absorbers, but also for Bulky Grasses like Amoonguss who easily Giga Drain you. Replace him with a better bulky water like Relicanth who has major attacking power and can actually stand up the Normal/Flying threats of the birds. Go here to choose a set http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/relicanth. Good luck with the team, make sure to browse through the threat list for NU a little bit so you have an idea of what you'll be going up against. __________________ Now an EMT for Los Angeles county. PM me for house calls. (Totally legit I swear.) PM me for an OU team rate!

Aug 10th, 2012, 11:56:39 AM	#2
ChaoticaMortis Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 519 Texas	Please take the NU tier, as well as the RMT section a little more seriously. Anyone who posts a team with Pokemon like Phione and Grotle obviously has no idea what works in NU. The fact that you think countering Corsola is important leads me to believe you're either completely trolling or have virtually no understanding of the game. You also need to expand your descriptions much more and give reasons why you're using things like Grotle over Torterra, Emolga over Rotom-S, etc. Here's the NU Forum, as well as a link to Battling 101.

Aug 10th, 2012, 1:34:32 PM	#3
thesynchrohero Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 180	grotle is actually quite useful and so is phione and countering corsola is not his job just one he does well

Aug 11th, 2012, 4:54:43 AM	#6
thesynchrohero Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 180	wth?

Aug 11th, 2012, 5:10:25 PM	#10
thesynchrohero Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 180	thanks for your opinion

Aug 11th, 2012, 10:13:40 PM	#12
Xelacalle Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 63 UK	Hey thesynchrohero, I find your team interesting and it seems you've put a little thought into this team but there's a few things that you could definitely change to improve the synergy and potentially make this a better team. The first thing that I would say is, seeing as you're using Phione, why not make this a rain team? All you would need to do is replace Phione's Cell Battery with a Damp Rock and you're good to go. As Phione tends to last a while, you're probably going to be able to set up the rain more than once just with him. If you do decide to go for this, your Emolga would be able to run Thunder instead of Thunderbolt as it has 100% accuracy in the rain and is significantly more powerful. However, something to note so that Magmar's STAB will be reduced in power by the rain, so it may be better to use something else. Seeing as you're using Emolga, I'm tempted to suggest you use Wartortle, as it can spin away rocks (which would hurt Emolga a lot) as well as bait Electric type attacks to get you your Motor Drive boost. Seeing as your team seems mostly bulky, you would definitely benefit from Rapid Spin. Finally, your Grotle is not really necessary - especially with rain up. Bastiodon is unlikely to be unable to get Rocks up as it has Sturdy, and the Rain will make Synthesis heal you for less. Because of this, and the removal of Magmar, I'm going to suggest you use either Life Orb Articuno, Choice Scarf Articuno or Choice Band Armaldo. Both are fairly bulky and can do a lot of damage to an opposing team in the rain. Changes: ... Change Phione's item to Damp Rock. Change TBolt on Emolga to Thunder. Change Magmar for a Wartortle, with the following set (use whatever EVs / Nature you prefer) Wartortle @ Eviolite Ability: Rain Dish -Rain Dance -Scald / Surf -Rapid Spin -Toxic Change Grotle to any of the following: Articuno @ Life Orb Ability: Pressure Timid Nature EVs: 252SAtk / 4SDef / 252Spe -Hurricane -Ice Beam -Hidden Power [Ground] -Roost Articuno @ Choice Scarf Ability: Pressure Timid Nature EVs: 252SAtk / 4SDef / 252Spe -Hurricane -Ice Beam -Hidden Power [Ground] -U-Turn Armaldo @ Choice Band Ability: Swift Swim Jolly Nature EVs: 252Atk / 4Def / 252Spe -Superpower -Stone Edge -Earthquake -Aqua Tail / X-Scissor If you don't want to go for a full-on rain team it seems the other posters have that covered. Hope this helped! __________________ If I edit something, this is probably the reason: Making myself seem more intelligent than I actually am. My Youtube, wherein I talk and say 'um' too much. *I use legal hacks.*

Aug 12th, 2012, 12:14:36 PM	#13
thesynchrohero Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 180	i will test, thanks

Aug 12th, 2012, 3:44:11 PM	#15
WhiteDMist If happy ever after did exist Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 523 I'm at a payphone!	Guys, this is a RATE my team, not a REMAKE my team. If you have to replace 3 or more Pokemon or change the entire theme of the team, then something is wrong. Despite that, I have to agree with any post that recommends replacing Emolga and Grotle (Phione as well though replacing the item is a higher priority). If this was supposed to be a Rain team, it would have been created as a Rain team. If you really want a rate, I'll give you a few options that don't completely change your team, but it will still require you to upgrade a couple of Pokes. First, from the top: Amoonguss has no reason to use HP Flying over Sludge Bomb. Sludge Bomb does more to Fighting types thanks to STAB and it still does absolutely nothing to Steel types that wall you. Bastiodon definitely should have a Specially Defensive Spread, and I even would say that Magic Coat would be more useful than Earthquake/Iron Head/Stone Edge. BTW, saying that Bastiodon hard counters Corsola makes it harder for most raters to take you seriously, since Corsola has a very small niche in the first place. Emolga is definitely better off being replaced by Scarf Rotom-S. Sure, it lacks a good ability, but it is a great revenge killer. It's in the mold of Emolga, but just far superior. Magmar can then replace Choice Scarf with Life Orb. I also recommend HP Grass over Electric since Seismitoad is more common than Mantine. Flamethrower becomes uneccesary unless you desperately need the accuracy and PP; Substitute becomes a far more useful option to block status and buffer attacks. For Phione, Cell Battery has GOT TO GO! There are many better items for that slot, the best of which are Damp Rock and Leftovers. Damp Rock is the better item for the extended Rain turns, despite this not being a Rain based team. Next, Acid Armor is not really that great, nor is your EV spread using Phione to its fullest effect. Defensive boosts are hardly ever used because they do not provide any protection against status and they are ignored by critical hits. More importantly, you need to boost many times in order to become virutally unbreakable physically, and you are still vulnerable to powerful special attackers. U-turn with a physically defensive EV spread is more useful for providing momentum, as well as to bring in the next Pokemon I am going to recommend. If you are going to have Phione, then you need at least one Pokemon to take advantage of the Rain, or else you are better off with a different Water type. Ludicolo and Seismitoad both fit this role perfectly; one can replace Grotle easily with them. Both have some advantages and disadvantages for your team that I will list. Ludicolo makes it so that your team is well protected against Gorebyss. It has good overall bulk (less than Grotle but far superior in offensive power and can actually carry Leftovers or Life Orb). It does make you slightly weaker to Braviary, but you should still be able to deal with it with some switching around between Bastiodon, Rotom-S and Amonguss. Seismitoad makes it so that you have no trouble with Rotom-S (who can hurt most of your current team and Trick Bastiodon). You also have a better time taking Banded Emboar's attacks (it only needs Flare Blitz and Superpower to break holes in your team with some decent prediction). Fire types in general don't threaten you as much anymore either. A bonus is that neither Pokemon need to have Swift Swim to take advantage of the Rain, so they can use the bulkier movesets that you seem to like as well. Ludicolo has Rain Dish to make either an offensive tank or a SubSeeder; Seismitoad has Water Absorb for amazing utitlity. All these changes should bring out the best potential of your team. This will probably let you at least try and battle the top players of the tier (of which I am not) more effectively. Regardless, these changes will at least stand up to other players in higher level play. Changes: Amoonguss: Sludge Bomb>HP Flying Bastiodon: Special Defensive set>whatever you consider your set right now Magmar: Life Orb set>Choice Scarf Phione: Damp Rock set>Cell Battery Scarf Rotom-S>Emolga Seismitoad/Ludicolo>Grotle Changes Amoonguss @ Leftovers Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 Def / 200 HP / 56 SAtk Bold Nature - Giga Drain - Spore - Stun Spore - Sludge Bomb Bastiodon @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Careful Nature - Stealth Rock - Roar - Protect - Magic Coat/Earthquake Magmar @ Life Orb Trait: Vital Spirit EVs: 24 HP / 252 SAtk / 232 Spe Timid Nature - Fire Blast - Focus Blast - Hidden Power Grass - Substitute Phione @ Damp Rock Trait: Hydration EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Bold Nature - Rain Dance - Scald - Rest - U-turn Rotom-S @ Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Volt Switch - Air Slash - Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Ice - Trick/Hidden Power Ice Ludicolo @ Life Orb Trait: Swift Swim EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe Modest Nature - Giga Drain - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Rain Dance/Focus Blast OR Seismitoad @ Life Orb Trait: Swift Swim EVs: 32 HP / 252 SAtk / 224 Spd Modest Nature - Hidden Power Ice/Rain Dance - Sludge Wave - Hydro Pump - Earth Power While I don't understand WHY you have posted this team a THIRD time, I do acknowledge that you have at least increased your descriptions somewhat (we'll see what the mods think I guess). I'm still not sure what you are trying to do with this team (I assumed bulky offense) and I don't approve of the gimmicks you were using. A single gimmick is more than enough in a competitive team, unless you are testing out a set (in which case you shouldn't really be making a RMT about it). That being said, if you replace those gimmicks with even a few of the recommendations I or another rater made (except Lousy918 ), I can see this team being rather solid in the current NU metagame (a nice thing is that you have a good amount of Pokes that can escape the clutches of Shadow Tag Gothitelle). Still, next time you make a RMT, please leave out the large number of gimmicks if you can. It makes raters more eager to rate. __________________ Message me for NU RMT rates! PU: Pokemon Database The PU Viability Rankings PU- NU in NU PU Research Week Project PU

Aug 13th, 2012, 6:09:44 AM	#16
thesynchrohero Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 180	reply i will test the item on phione and ludicolo changes but the other are important parts that arent changeable

Aug 13th, 2012, 7:21:51 AM	#17
NuclearMedicineT Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 29 Sweden	Lol WhiteDMist is right, we went a little crazy on the whole rain idea. Make sure you read all the sets in his post though because some of your "custom" sets are really not working that well. Also, please consider Rotom over Emolga because A) It really is better and B) It gives you the possibility to use a more powerful set on Magmar to make sure it isn't dead weight or anything. But yeah, after these changes the team looks solid. Hopefully it will work better on the ladder. :)

Aug 13th, 2012, 11:41:44 AM	#18
WhiteDMist If happy ever after did exist Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 523 I'm at a payphone!	Aren't changeable huh? If you aren't going to take (or even listen to) earnest advice, then why bother posting a RMT? If you have a logical argument for why you don't want to change something, that is understandable. But without giving a reason, it just makes you seem petty and unreasonable. You also haven't acknowledged any of the other points about team theme, nor about the fact that this is the same RMT you have already posted (and had locked) twice. ChaoticaMortis is right, show some respect for the NU tier, and the RMT section if you want us to respect you back. __________________ Message me for NU RMT rates! PU: Pokemon Database The PU Viability Rankings PU- NU in NU PU Research Week Project PU