The RU Viability Ranking Thread

[Lunatic Lies]

Originally Posted by Fat DittoCrow

Sleep isn't all that rare in RU, and because of that, there are many Pokemon that carry the move Sleep Talk and are specifically built to counter Grass-types. Amoonguss also has a lot of competition in the tier and isn't always that effective because of its limited coverage in Giga Drain / Hidden Power / Clear Smog or Sludge Bomb. Amoonguss isn't too difficult to deal with, but it's a very solid defensive mon. It's close to A Rank though, which is why it's just Top B Rank.

Pretty much everything he said, but I'd like to add it's poison typing doesn't do it many favors either. He's now weak to Psychic moves which are more common in RU than OU just like sleep is, and it makes him a shakier counter/check to Pokemon with STAB ground moves, unlike Tangrowth and Rotom-C.

[Oddish is the best]

I think that Vileplume should be considered for a tier because even though it might be viewed as outclassed by Ammonguss defensively, it is actually quite good offensively as it's STAB is only resisted by poison and steel which are uncommon for the most part. Vileplume also has more bulk than other grass/poison sweepers which allows it to compensate for its slow speed(though it still has to be careful of fire types) Vileplumes STAB is also good for breaking past regenator cores being super effective against all of them except ammonguss and outspeeding them all. I think these traits make Vileplume a pokemon to consider putting on the list as it is surprisingly effective at being a bulky sweeper that can break past annoying regenator cores.

Originally Posted by Fat MX42

Nominating Tauros from A- to A tier.

Tauros is so underated in this metagame. Rock Climb hits almost all that doesn't resist it hard, and it has Fire Blast and Earthquake to blast through Rock- and Steel-types. Rotom and Spiritomb can be issues, as can Misdreavus. But a standard Tauros can rip apart a team easily if the good ghosts are out of the picture. Thoughts?

I agree with this. I'm finding Tauros to be so good right now as it is fast and 1HKO's glass cannon offensive threats and outspeeding them. Zen headbutt brings a great surprise factor against fighting types and easily 1HKO's them. All in all a really good pokemon that needs more usage.

[atomicllamas]

Yeah, I'm gonna agree that Amoonguss is fine where it is, and has to many flaws to be regarded as an A rank mon.

I am also going to second the motions that Scyther move down to top C, it is by no means a bad pokemon, but unfortunately the fact that it is 4x stealth rock weak and has okay at best synergy with the two best spinners in the tier kind of hinder it. This also means that U-turn is no longer a viable move, because even though it is a great scouting move, it will probably lose 50% of its health switching back in. As a swords dance sweeper, it faces competition from stuff like Scoli, Gallade, and Kabutops, who all can do it better, while also faking being something else. Scyther's only real niche is a bulky Swords dance passer with a move-set of Swords Dance/Baton Pass/Roost/STAB of Choice with 248 HP/8 Atk/252+ speed. And even this faces competition from Scoli. High C in my opinion.

For reasons previously stated, Mesprit should move up to low/mid A (probs low).

I am up in the air about Scoli, Kabutops, and Magmortar, other people should give more input and then I'll decide (leaning moving up for scoli, staying for mag and tops).

I've been using Klinklang a lot recently and would be interested in discussing the possibility of moving it up to High B or Low A. It really only has a few reliable counters in Poliwrath and Steelix (and Durant/Escavalier to some extent), but these mons usage stats are surprisingly low for some reason. Its main stab Gear Grind, is actually useful, because it can break sashes and hits everything for damage (although steel STAB is a let down). That said, Steel + Normal hits every type for neutral damage except steel and Steel + Electric hits every type for neutral except electric (I prefer return). I would definitely be interested in hearing your perspectives on Klinklang (before it leaves the tier :p).

[Nozzle]

I agree with Klinklang for Low-A. It's near impossible to revenge without priority and it's surprisingly easy to set up. Basically, have things that wall it removed, which are not that many tbh. And your good to go.