Smogon Front Page B&W Pokemon Art Submissions - Page 2

Precipice · Mar 11th, 2011, 4:35:17 PM

alright, alright I surrender.

Chou too good.

Sea monster · Mar 11th, 2011, 5:44:53 PM

I might as well give up, Chou's is way better than what I could ever produce.

But I'm too far along to quit now, so I suppose you should expect mine...eventually...

Swaggersaurus · Mar 11th, 2011, 6:07:38 PM

not to be too disheartened by chou, i'm posting a piece as a sample of style

would people like to see art in this style on the front page? if not, why? what can be improved? the shading isn't as soft or sugimori-esque as chou's beautiful work, and i'm wondering if people would rather more art in that style. i just want to get an idea before i work on the other two images; reworking one is easier than three

Nastyjungle · Mar 11th, 2011, 6:24:02 PM

Personally I think styles of all kind are great. Why limit ourselves to just a few styles? It should be about the good artists of Smogon showing their own talent, not sticking to really strict rules.

edit: Speaking of style, I was wondering if these sorts of things would be ok. I'd scan it instead of taking a picture if I were to finish it, of course. Made out of magazines, just thought it might be cute. Will finish if somebody gives me the ok

Venser · Mar 11th, 2011, 8:33:35 PM

@swaggersaurus: Just looking at the Ken Sugimori artwork for Darmanitan, it seems like you've got some pretty crazy proportion errors. The legs seem far too short for the creature to even survive, and the arms are almost stick-like. I'm not sure if you were going for a caricature-esque style, and if you were, great job, I love it (although I'm not sure that's what we're looking for on the front page), but if you weren't, I'd try to get some of the proportions more realistic. I love your style, I just think you're taking it too far there.

Chou Toshio · Mar 11th, 2011, 9:04:57 PM

I think fudging with proportions can be considered part of style-- especially with little humanoid figures.

***DougJustDoug***** · Mar 11th, 2011, 9:12:33 PM

I agree that artistic license is certainly granted on this. Az, I'm loving that Darmanitan! I can definitely see that bad boy on the front page. Do the other two!

Chou Toshio · Mar 11th, 2011, 9:17:45 PM

Oh, and if anyone wants to get an idea of how to draw similar pics to what I posted, I actually made a guide. It's posted in my art thread here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...9&postcount=64

I developed the process for doing this style doing artwork for The Smog, so I've gotten progressively faster at it. For the pics here, the line art and color pallet is original, but obviously if you trace and use original Sugi Art to get a color pallet, it's that much easier.

For the pics here though, it's a 1500 x 1500 initial canvas and a size 3 paint brush-- which makes doing line art a lot harder, but also produces much finer outlines.

Swaggersaurus · Mar 12th, 2011, 11:01:04 PM

alright, from the top:

DjGopher · Mar 12th, 2011, 11:50:21 PM

That might be the cutest reuniclus I've ever seen.

Umbreon Dan · Mar 13th, 2011, 1:41:20 AM

and doug was worried about not having enough good art x)

Swaggersaurus · Mar 13th, 2011, 12:21:00 PM

i looked chandelure over and the glow from the flames was actually breaking the rules, so i've tweaked that and reuploaded

Alchemator · Mar 13th, 2011, 12:23:52 PM

Everything in this thread is excellent, but I'm currently leaning towards Chou's submissions. If we can get that art rotation thing going then I might just die.

***DougJustDoug***** · Mar 13th, 2011, 7:56:41 PM

I'm already at work making the front page capable of rotating art. Based on the wonderful submissions by Chou and Az, I'm certain we'll put it good use. No reason to choose a single "winner" here. Let's see who else steps up to contribute. The bar has been set quite high!

Venser · Mar 13th, 2011, 9:19:32 PM

Aaand my tablet is broke. I'll probably be bowing out, unless I get a new one.

**RitterCat** · Mar 14th, 2011, 5:32:06 AM

Darmanitan and Jellicent, Scrafty will be coming soon. If anyone would like adjustments on them to make them suitable material please comment =D Thanks

Also, Doug, you were saying about Artist badges, and I always wondered what they were awarded for. What exactly are they awarded for?

Iggdrasil · Mar 14th, 2011, 5:48:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat RitterCat

Also, Doug, you were saying about Artist badges, and I always wondered what they were awarded for. What exactly are they awarded for?

Here's the "FAQ" thingy's explaination:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat FAQ

- User is a Smogon Artist. Artists contributes pieces of their artwork to the site. Visit Smeargle's Studio for more information.

Basically, if you get your art into The Smog or somthing like that (in other words, if you pass this) you will be awarded with the badge.

Does that answer your question Ritter :).

Wichu · Mar 14th, 2011, 1:12:00 PM

Is pixel art allowed? From the rules, it doesn't seem that it would be suitable (the minimum size limit implies that the art will be stretched before being put on the main page). Would it be possible to make an exception for this?

Sea monster · Mar 14th, 2011, 10:34:28 PM

I've only got one done so far. It looks...terrible compared to some of the other work that's been submitted, but I figure that relying on MS Paint to color it is a bit of a handicap. -.-'

I sketched them by hand and scanned them. Then I did the lineart on Paint, then colored (or at least tried to) color this Bisharp. Keldeo and Serperior are still in lined-form, but I guess I could post those here too.

My Bisharp looks kind of (okay, really) wonky. I know something's wrong, but pinpointing it and fixing it has proved difficult. Maybe I should just hand-color my art too...

**Fatecrashers** · Mar 14th, 2011, 10:37:17 PM

Definitely save them as png and not jpg.

Sea monster · Mar 14th, 2011, 10:49:27 PM

Okay. I'm not so good with this kind of computer-art thing, so thanks for the tip!

EDIT: I edited my previous post with png files instead.

(This might be a noobish thing to ask, but what's the difference between png and jpg files?)

**Fatecrashers** · Mar 14th, 2011, 11:12:09 PM

With jpg files you either have to compromise on the size of the image or the quality of the image, and with a large picture such as the ones you've posted there the loss in quality becomes quite noticeable. With lineart images they typically lose clarity and sharpness.

Png files use a lossless compression technique, which means no such compromises are made.

Lesson ends.

Ivysaur · Mar 15th, 2011, 3:27:20 AM

christ, i hope kyurem isn't too competitively ass for the front page

have 2/3 done, just posting to show interest and whatnot

**Fatecrashers** · Mar 15th, 2011, 7:33:53 AM

whoa you actually made kyurem look good

i didnt know ivysaur did art!

UltimateKirbyFan · Mar 15th, 2011, 8:37:04 AM

Alright... I'm gonna do this:
EDIT:
Red - Volcarona
Yellow - Haxorus
Blue - Cobalion

You know what they say... Never Say Never...

Mar 11th, 2011, 5:44:53 PM	#27
Sea monster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 15 USA	I might as well give up, Chou's is way better than what I could ever produce. But I'm too far along to quit now, so I suppose you should expect mine...eventually... __________________ Check out my art thread! http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101806

Mar 11th, 2011, 6:07:38 PM	#28
Swaggersaurus I DON'T NEED A MAN Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,793 I DON'T NEED A MAN	not to be too disheartened by chou, i'm posting a piece as a sample of style would people like to see art in this style on the front page? if not, why? what can be improved? the shading isn't as soft or sugimori-esque as chou's beautiful work, and i'm wondering if people would rather more art in that style. i just want to get an idea before i work on the other two images; reworking one is easier than three __________________ everybody needs a hobby

Mar 11th, 2011, 6:24:02 PM	#29
Nastyjungle Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,833	Personally I think styles of all kind are great. Why limit ourselves to just a few styles? It should be about the good artists of Smogon showing their own talent, not sticking to really strict rules. edit: Speaking of style, I was wondering if these sorts of things would be ok. I'd scan it instead of taking a picture if I were to finish it, of course. Made out of magazines, just thought it might be cute. Will finish if somebody gives me the ok Last edited by Nastyjungle; Mar 11th, 2011 at 7:31:51 PM.

Mar 11th, 2011, 8:33:35 PM	#30
Venser Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,594 #capasb	@swaggersaurus: Just looking at the Ken Sugimori artwork for Darmanitan, it seems like you've got some pretty crazy proportion errors. The legs seem far too short for the creature to even survive, and the arms are almost stick-like. I'm not sure if you were going for a caricature-esque style, and if you were, great job, I love it (although I'm not sure that's what we're looking for on the front page), but if you weren't, I'd try to get some of the proportions more realistic. I love your style, I just think you're taking it too far there. __________________ last.fm

Mar 11th, 2011, 9:04:57 PM	#31
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,946 Sea Forest	I think fudging with proportions can be considered part of style-- especially with little humanoid figures. __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Mar 11th, 2011, 4:35:17 PM	#26
Precipice Thats bull. Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 219 England	alright, alright I surrender. Chou too good.

Mar 11th, 2011, 9:12:33 PM	#32
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	I agree that artistic license is certainly granted on this. Az, I'm loving that Darmanitan! I can definitely see that bad boy on the front page. Do the other two! __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

Mar 11th, 2011, 9:17:45 PM	#33
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,946 Sea Forest	Oh, and if anyone wants to get an idea of how to draw similar pics to what I posted, I actually made a guide. It's posted in my art thread here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...9&postcount=64 I developed the process for doing this style doing artwork for The Smog, so I've gotten progressively faster at it. For the pics here, the line art and color pallet is original, but obviously if you trace and use original Sugi Art to get a color pallet, it's that much easier. For the pics here though, it's a 1500 x 1500 initial canvas and a size 3 paint brush-- which makes doing line art a lot harder, but also produces much finer outlines. __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Mar 12th, 2011, 11:01:04 PM	#34
Swaggersaurus I DON'T NEED A MAN Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,793 I DON'T NEED A MAN	alright, from the top: __________________ everybody needs a hobby Last edited by Swaggersaurus; Mar 13th, 2011 at 12:20:19 PM.

Mar 12th, 2011, 11:50:21 PM	#35
DjGopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 706 Los Angeles	That might be the cutest reuniclus I've ever seen. __________________ I can hear the rain; dancing in my open window.

Mar 13th, 2011, 1:41:20 AM	#36
Umbreon Dan Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,185 kiss my ass, this is a holy site.	and doug was worried about not having enough good art x) __________________ 9.9 dan likes to ramble <@Fatecrashers> im really gay <@Fatecrashers> and i might fart rainbows

Mar 13th, 2011, 12:21:00 PM	#37
Swaggersaurus I DON'T NEED A MAN Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,793 I DON'T NEED A MAN	i looked chandelure over and the glow from the flames was actually breaking the rules, so i've tweaked that and reuploaded __________________ everybody needs a hobby

Mar 13th, 2011, 12:23:52 PM	#38
Alchemator my god if you don't have an iced tea for me when i come back i'm gonna flip Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,762 Zrack attack!	Everything in this thread is excellent, but I'm currently leaning towards Chou's submissions. If we can get that art rotation thing going then I might just die. __________________ Twitter \| Blog

Mar 13th, 2011, 7:56:41 PM	#39
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	I'm already at work making the front page capable of rotating art. Based on the wonderful submissions by Chou and Az, I'm certain we'll put it good use. No reason to choose a single "winner" here. Let's see who else steps up to contribute. The bar has been set quite high! __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

Mar 13th, 2011, 9:19:32 PM	#40
Venser Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,594 #capasb	Aaand my tablet is broke. I'll probably be bowing out, unless I get a new one. __________________ last.fm

Mar 14th, 2011, 5:32:06 AM	#41
RitterCat Overlord of all Animals and Paintbrushes Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,837 Queen of iSketch Mentor	Darmanitan and Jellicent, Scrafty will be coming soon. If anyone would like adjustments on them to make them suitable material please comment =D Thanks Also, Doug, you were saying about Artist badges, and I always wondered what they were awarded for. What exactly are they awarded for? __________________ GP TEAM \| VM/PM/IRC/TELEGRAM/CARRIER PIGEON FOR A CHECK \| I DO ART TOO

Mar 14th, 2011, 1:12:00 PM	#43
Wichu ACUPRESSURE Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,508 Cambridge, England	Is pixel art allowed? From the rules, it doesn't seem that it would be suitable (the minimum size limit implies that the art will be stretched before being put on the main page). Would it be possible to make an exception for this? __________________

Mar 14th, 2011, 10:34:28 PM	#44
Sea monster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 15 USA	I've only got one done so far. It looks...terrible compared to some of the other work that's been submitted, but I figure that relying on MS Paint to color it is a bit of a handicap. -.-' I sketched them by hand and scanned them. Then I did the lineart on Paint, then colored (or at least tried to) color this Bisharp. Keldeo and Serperior are still in lined-form, but I guess I could post those here too. My Bisharp looks kind of (okay, really) wonky. I know something's wrong, but pinpointing it and fixing it has proved difficult. Maybe I should just hand-color my art too... __________________ Check out my art thread! http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101806 Last edited by Sea monster; Mar 14th, 2011 at 10:58:25 PM. Reason: Fate said to use png files

Mar 14th, 2011, 10:37:17 PM	#45
Fatecrashers UNH UNH UNH UNH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,915	Definitely save them as png and not jpg. __________________

Mar 14th, 2011, 10:49:27 PM	#46
Sea monster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 15 USA	Okay. I'm not so good with this kind of computer-art thing, so thanks for the tip! EDIT: I edited my previous post with png files instead. (This might be a noobish thing to ask, but what's the difference between png and jpg files?) __________________ Check out my art thread! http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101806 Last edited by Sea monster; Mar 14th, 2011 at 11:00:46 PM.

Mar 14th, 2011, 11:12:09 PM	#47
Fatecrashers UNH UNH UNH UNH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,915	With jpg files you either have to compromise on the size of the image or the quality of the image, and with a large picture such as the ones you've posted there the loss in quality becomes quite noticeable. With lineart images they typically lose clarity and sharpness. Png files use a lossless compression technique, which means no such compromises are made. Lesson ends. __________________

Mar 15th, 2011, 3:27:20 AM	#48
Ivysaur Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 329 ／人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人＼	christ, i hope kyurem isn't too competitively ass for the front page have 2/3 done, just posting to show interest and whatnot __________________ oh my god, please just never let me go yeah sometimes we're high, and sometimes we're low but put up with me and i'll make you see that things are better when you're with me

Mar 15th, 2011, 7:33:53 AM	#49
Fatecrashers UNH UNH UNH UNH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,915	whoa you actually made kyurem look good i didnt know ivysaur did art! __________________

Mar 15th, 2011, 8:37:04 AM	#50
UltimateKirbyFan Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 149 Hong Kong	Alright... I'm gonna do this: EDIT: Red - Volcarona Yellow - Haxorus Blue - Cobalion You know what they say... Never Say Never... __________________ UKF Arts - Land of the Colour Pencils (Art Thread) [19/03/2011 9:30:56 PM] UltimateKirbyFan: but smogon is more important than REAL LIFE Last edited by UltimateKirbyFan; Mar 15th, 2011 at 9:58:06 AM.