Black & White Battle Subway Records (now with gen. 4 records!)

[Time Mage]

I've been playing White (not 2) for the last month or so, after having it in the shelf since launch, and now that I've beaten most if not all the story content, I'm ready to tackle the battle subway.

I've already beaten the normal train with three pokemon from the team I've been using to play the game, but for the super train, if I aim to get a 100+ streak, I think I'm going to need a better one.

But, before starting to breed (which bores the hell out of me after seeing dozens of failed attempts), I'd like to post the team I plan to use, in order to get some feedback if there's something horribly wrong there:


Darmanitan @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Superpower
- ???
- U-Turn

Latios @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock / Psychic
- Ice Beam
- ??? (Surf?)

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Leech Seed
- Curse
- Substitute
- Gyro Ball



I will breed the Darmanitan and Ferrothorn to get the highest stats I can achieve in a reasonable time, but in the case of Latios, it isn't of course possible. Its IV's are as follows:

Modest #381 Latios: 15 / 6 / 6 / 22 / 23 / 11 (Hidden Power Water 70)

Are they too subpar for the Battle Subway? Would I be better with a Hydreigon, even if that would mean less Spd, lower SAtk, and the removal of my only Fighting resistance?

[SimicCombine]

Darmanitan can be RNG'd in the wild somewhat easily. I'd try doing some calculations Latios' stats and see if it misses out on key 1HKOs with that stat spread. Good defensive synergy is very important in the Battle Subway since the AI never switches. I'm assuming Darmanitan's role is to just nuke one or two Pokemon before dying.

[Hozu]

If you're against RNG abuse or whatever consider buying White 2 so you can get a better Latios, preferably Timid.

[Time Mage]

I just haven't investigated about abusing the RNG, so I'm not against or in favor of it. If it implies less time going bycicle up, bycicle down, check IVs, discard, etc, and doesn't imply using an action replay or something like that... I'm actually up for it.

Do you have any useful references for me to learn about it?


Oh, and the general idea of the team is OHKO anything that Darmanitan can, or 2HKO if the opposin pokemon won't harm it too much in its turn, U-Turn for switching doing damage when the matchup is unfavorable and for breaking sash/sturdy. Latios for the great damage, good defensive coverage being dragon and levitating (plus psychic for a very needed fighting resistance), and then Ferrothorn to wall almost anything not fighting or fire, and sub/set up.

[Hozu]

The only time you might need an external device is for determining your SID if you want shiny. 4th gen guide, 5th gen guide.

[Marowak2000]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/group.php?groupid=2000 -this is the best rng guide, it's hard to get ur head round it but breeding perfect IV's is really easy once u learn how (esp if u use chatot to advance frames -that'll make sense to u one day!) the only other thing u may want to think about is how ur team will handle chandlure and rain dance teams :)

[The Cicada]

so, I keep failing in double subway and decided I want a team centered around Prankster sableye, but I need advice before I go and make another fail team. can anyone help?

Also, I play white 2, and have no access to wifi, so try not to recommened pokemon i cant get w/o wifi.

[Marowak2000]

Originally Posted by Fat The Cicada

so, I keep failing in double subway and decided I want a team centered around Prankster sableye, but I need advice before I go and make another fail team. can anyone help?

Also, I play white 2, and have no access to wifi, so try not to recommened pokemon i cant get w/o wifi.

as good a support prankster saybleye is he's not going to sweep any teams himself, u need to think about what sweeper(s) u want to use and what support they need or how they can be supported by saybleye. for example any that need a turn to set up a dragon dance or calm mind etc may like the fake out and sucker punch support, or any with low def stat may like the WoW support (although WoW is not accurate enough to rely on for a long run) its a shame he doesnt give thunder wave or tailwind support as thatd make a big difference to ur team, otherwise he is more of a nuisance than a threat -tbo when i face a team with saybleye i take out all his partners first as i know once he's on his own theres not much he will do, but i understand if he's a favourite for you so just give him someone who is a monster after 1 dragon dance

[The Cicada]

Originally Posted by Fat Marowak2000

as good a support prankster saybleye is he's not going to sweep any teams himself, u need to think about what sweeper(s) u want to use and what support they need or how they can be supported by saybleye. for example any that need a turn to set up a dragon dance or calm mind etc may like the fake out and sucker punch support, or any with low def stat may like the WoW support (although WoW is not accurate enough to rely on for a long run) its a shame he doesnt give thunder wave or tailwind support as thatd make a big difference to ur team, otherwise he is more of a nuisance than a threat -tbo when i face a team with saybleye i take out all his partners first as i know once he's on his own theres not much he will do, but i understand if he's a favourite for you so just give him someone who is a monster after 1 dragon dance

Haxorus?

[MrBrownPants]

Ok, so I'm kind of new at Smogon here and not that knowledgeable of pokemon as some of you here, but I thought I'd ask a question. This deals with Double Battles: Would the pairing of Alakazam and Darmanitan be that bad of a pair? If Alakazam has Magic Guard, and Darmanitan has Sheer Force, Alakazam's speed would allow skill swap on Darmanitan first and Darmanitan uses belly drum. Now Alakazam has sheer force which means it's Psychic, Shadow Ball, and Energy ball are now 30% stonger. Darmanitan has Magic guard right before belly drum which means no recoil from Belly Drum and Flare Blitz and it has +6 Attack. This was my main thought, and wondered if anyone has any comments to make. This isn't a team I've made, however I might, and there are no other pokemon with them. It is just a thought on how those two would sync together.

[Little Green Yoda]

Magic Guard doesn't affect Belly Drum. The biggest issue is both Pokemon in question aren't that bulky so surviving that setup turn will be tough.

[MrBrownPants]

Oh, I thought magic guard protected belly drum's recoil. I thought I had read that it did. And I also thought about their bulkynees as well, because your essencially giving two very powerfully Pokemon even more power. If the trick worked, it would make sense to do it two two bulkier Pokemon instead. Thank you.

[Jokethe1]

So that isn't a post about a record actually but it's a video of a shiny Mismagius ( thanks for reminding DrDimentio!) which I faced against a trainer in the Battle Castel...Terrible quality and a random music I had to use because YT wanted to be gay...

Here is the video


I apologize for the missplays in this battle because I couldn't believe it that I found a shiny in the Battle Frontier in the 4th gen.....maybe I'll see a other AL shiny in the Battles Subway/ Battle Frontier

Hope you enjoy! :)


Something about the team (It's exactly the same team of BozoTheBear):

Salamence ** AXL
Nature & Item: Jolly - Choice Band
Iv's: 31 - 31 - 31 - x - 31 - 31
Ev's 252 Attack & Speed 4 Speed
Stats (Lv.50): 170 - 187 - 100 - 113 - 101 - 167
Moveset: Outrage, Earthquake, AerialAce, Rockslide

Nothing much too explain. With Choice Band it OHKO's a lot of pokemon if they are Lv.55 which gives me more PP... really cool to see how Salamence handels with a lot of pokes in the Castel....btw mostly I drop the levels of OHKO users so they aren't able to hurt me much.

Blissey ** HighHope
Nature & Item: Bold - Leftovers
Iv's: 31 - x - 31 - 31 -31- 31
Ev's: 252 HP & Defense & 4 Speed
Stats (Lv.50): 362 - 15 - 68 - 95 - 155 - 76
Moveset: Seismic Toss, Flamethrower, Aromatherapie, Softboiled

Great wall. Works pretty well with Seismic Toss and Softboil. Seriously....is there a other pokemon which could stall better than Blissey against special attackers in the BattleCastle?!

Milotic ** Ariel
Nature & Items : Bold - Leftovers
Iv's: 31 - x - 31 - 31 - 31 - 31
Ev's: 252 HP & Defense & 4 Speed (I don't really remember)
Stats (Lv.50): 202 - 60 - 144 - 120 - 145 - 102
Moves: Surf, Ice Beam, Toxic, Recover

Great againts Ice - attack users. Pretty bulky with max HP & Defense and with Recover able to stall 5PP moves pretty well like Blissey....really cool to see how Blissey handels with DracoMeteor Latias/Salamence/Dragonite or some other pokes

[Jokethe1]

Originally Posted by Fat icu812

Battle Subway Double Record: 644


Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
IVs: 0/31/0/0/0/31
EVs: 255 Spe, 255 Atk
- Fake Out
- Protect
- Helping Hand
- Spore


Blastoise @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
IVs: 31/2/31/30/31/31
EVs: 6 Hp, 248 SpA, 4SpD, 252 Spe
- Water Spout
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power (Grass)


Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/31
EVs: 6 Hp, 252 SpA, 252 Spe
- Dragon Pulse
- Psyshock
- Thunderbolt
- Protect


Metagross @ Steel Gem
Ability: Clear Body
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
IVs: 31/31/31/31/xx/31
EVs: 6 Hp, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
- Bullet Punch
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch




Lvl 1 Endeavor is dead but the AI is still dumb. Smeargle is interchangeable with anything squishy that learns Fake Out/Protect/Helping Hand/Filler, the other three big blue 155hp pokemon are the heart of the team.

Simple concept, abuse AI targeting KO-able Pokemon to let Blastoise kill everything with Water Spout. Blastoise has better typing+defenses for Water Spout abuse. Eruption spam fire types annoyingly vulnerable to Earthquake/Rock Slide. Also Metagross replacements for Eruption teams are disappointing. Smeargle is the best bait out of over a dozen tried, honorable mention to Lightningrod Pichu/Pikachu. Latios and Metagross are the best all-around doubles subway Pokémon. Movesets are doubles standards. Steel gem is great for revenge kills, Air Balloon really isn't needed.

Legends, ice, electric/steel, rain dance, and trick room are troublesome. Water absorb and dry skin are a pain.

Best streak ended over 600 wins again due to gameboy power failure. Still want to get four digits and think this team can get there.



Prompted to post by the bait pokemon discussion. Options examined, among others:

Protect->Dive/Dig: Carvanha, Sharpedo, Ninjask (Earthquake immune!)
Fake Out->Protect: Pichu, Pikachu, Makuhita, Tyrogue, Chimchar, Sableye
Protect +Trick Room: Trapinch, Solosis, Duosion

Basically, anything on this list: http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/search...ing+Hand&move= with Protect/Fake Out/Helping hand is pretty good. Smeargle's biggest flaws: only 75 base speed and Normal typing means Froslass goes with Blizzard over Shadow Ball.

I don't know dude how you found this strategie..but this team is really EPIC! I've made just 7 battles with this team but I've seen how great the team work together! Hope you'll be back with a 1000 SuperDouble winstreak!

[icu812]

Originally Posted by Fat Jokethe1

I don't know dude how you found this strategie..but this team is really EPIC! I've made just 7 battles with this team but I've seen how great the team work together! Hope you'll be back with a 1000 SuperDouble winstreak!

Glad you enjoy playing it!


Depressingly the last attempt ended at 456 due to Hail + Snow Cloak hax. Glaceon vs Metagross == loss for Metagross after 4 consecutive misses. I hate Hail teams.

[Tebow]

Does anyone know if Challange Mode affects the difficulty of the battle subway?

[Jokethe1]

Originally Posted by Fat icu812

Glad you enjoy playing it!


Depressingly the last attempt ended at 456 due to Hail + Snow Cloak hax. Glaceon vs Metagross == loss for Metagross after 4 consecutive misses. I hate Hail teams.

But seriously....I had a lot of few calls in the last time with this team...I reached the 49 mark...just because I'm very busy with school ( damn school sucks -.-'). But I was thinking about WideLens for Metagross because it does enough damage without the SteelGem (maybe sometimes usefull) but you have shown me how POWERFULL BLASTOISE can be! Thanks for that and good luck reclaiming your streak if you'll reclaim it ...btw my first loss with this team was in Battle 37 or something ...fail xD.....4 MISSES ?! I feel sick..

[Netbrian]

Are there any resources on teams for fast BP farming in B&W 2? Preferably something that's fairly easy to put together (no Hidden Power, nothing obscure like Wish Blissey, etc.)

Thank you!

[Carl]

i've been told PWT is a quick way to get a lot of BP

[Level 51]

Yeah, with PWT you can get up to 18 BP from the World Leaders' / Champion's Tournaments, if you play Triples and don't lose a single Pokemon (you get 1 BP for each Pokemon surviving at the end of each battle). Usually you'll get about 13~16, though.

[SA1TS]

I haven't managed to get my hands a TruAnt yet, so my Toxicroak project is on hold for now. It hasn't worked out too great with Whimsicott so far, top streak of 82 and that was mainly down to Suicune...

I'm testing mono attacking Metagross at the moment- Sub, Meteor Mash, Hone Claws, Rock Polish. It's exceeded my expectations so far and I'm on 49 wins. I can't see it going much further though, my IVs are crap and I'm using DD Charizard as a secondary sweeper (yes you read that right, it's just a test run. And also every 8yr old knows 'Zard is undoubtedly the most powerful mon there is, so there...) Heatran is obviously a massive problem for this set and it's also quite slow setting up.

Come to think of it, damn GF for not giving Metagross Shift Gear. And for not giving Samurott Shell Smash while we're at it. Ok, rant over, GF are bastards...

[longers]

Could somebody please help me out here? my longest streak is 43, and i really want to beat the subway boss. here we go:

Gengar @ Focus sash
Rash / Levitate
13/5/5/31/10/31
0/0/0/255/0/255
Destiny Bond
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast

Garchomp @ Muscle Band
Jolly / Sand Veil
1/31/27/26/2/25
0/255/0/0/0/255
Outrage
Fire Fang
Brick Break
Earthquake

Hydreigon @ Choice Scarf
Modest / Levitate
19/29/4/31/15/31
0/0/0/255/0/255
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
Flamethrower
Surf

Basically, I'd start with Gengar to do as much damage as possible. I'm usually be able to take out at least one enemy, get down to 1 hp, use destiny bond, and get another kill. after that, i'd send out hydreigon just to clean up. garchomp is used if they send out a special wall or outspeed hydreigon and kill him.

hydreigon gives me a great chance to switch into when i'm using gengar and they use a psychic attack or a ghost attack. i also don't need to worry about switching into a fighting move.

Before you say anything, i realize that using two dragons gives me a weakness to ice moves. I'm really just wondering if this is a viable team to beat the subway boss or if i should sub some of these guys out for better options.

[SA1TS]

Originally Posted by Fat longers

Could somebody please help me out here? my longest streak is 43, and i really want to beat the subway boss. here we go:

Gengar @ Focus sash
Rash / Levitate
13/5/5/31/10/31
0/0/0/255/0/255
Destiny Bond
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast

Garchomp @ Muscle Band
Jolly / Sand Veil
1/31/27/26/2/25
0/255/0/0/0/255
Outrage
Fire Fang
Brick Break
Earthquake

Hydreigon @ Choice Scarf
Modest / Levitate
19/29/4/31/15/31
0/0/0/255/0/255
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
Flamethrower
Surf

This is actually a pretty good team for speeding through the first 7 or so rounds, but there are some changes you can make to improve it.

Gengar needs to be +speed, preferably Timid. Garchomp needs a 31 speed IV (it's unique speed tier is one of the biggest reasons for using it over other dragons like Salamence) and change its item to Choice Band, or give it a Yache berry and Sword Dance over Brick Break. Finally I'd say Draco Meteor is more valuable on Hydreigon than Surf or Dragon Pulse, simply for raw power.

Alternatively you could use Peterkos Cloyster team http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...postcount=1592 which should get you through the first 49 battles in a heartbeat. He also added a list of exactly how to use the team.

Good luck

[Jokethe1]

First of all: I've forgotten to write that this team was Peterko's team and a really huge thanks for the experience I've got with this team! Thanks for reminding Jump!! You was totally right with your statement!

Pokemon Platinum Battle Tower single winstreak: 561

So hey guys it's Jokethe1 here and there it is... my with my longest winstreak of 561 Battles at the Platinum Battle Tower.


Same team like in the first and second streak

Latias ** Eon
Nature & Item: Timid - ChoiceScarf
Iv's: 31 - x - 31 - 31 - 31 - 31
Ev's: 252 HP - 182 Defense - 74 Speed
Stats (Lv.50) : 187 - 81 - 133 - 127 - 150 - 154
Moves: Trick, ThunderWave, Charm, Recover

Registeel ** Robot
Nature & Item: Careful - Leftovers
Iv's: 31 - 31 - 31 - x - 31 - 31
Ev's: 252 HP - 100 Attack - 146 Defense - 14 Sp.Defense
Stats (Lv.50) : 187 - 108 - 188 - 79 - 189 - 70
Moves: IronHead, Substitute, Curse, Amnesia

Garchomp ** Raptor
Nature & Item: Jolly - Lum Berry
Iv's: 31 - 31 - 31 - x - 31 - 31
Ev's: 252 Attack - 252 Speed - 4 Sp.Defense
Stats (Lv.50) : 183 - 182 - 115 - 79 - 106 - 169
Moves: Outrage, Earthquake, SwordDance, Substitute

How I lost : Battle 562

Dragon Tamer sent out Dewgong.

Eon used Trick and obtained RazorFang Dewgong obtained the ChoiceScarf.

This set was :

379 |Dewgong|Razor Fang|Careful|Waterfall|Avanlache|Headbutt|Fake Out| Atk/Sp.Def


After Registell was fully setup Dewgong died after IronHead .. let's see which pokemon will come ....

Dragon Tamer sent Rhyperior in.

I chose Sub and he used Roar and that was the point why I lost ( I was guessing it was a HornDrill Set, if it would have been the Choice Band set I could have easily switched in Latias to predict Earthquakes with Levitate and Charm for the struggle and at last I would have used Trick before Rhyperior died (after the Struggle recoil damage) and after that I give the next Poke the ChoiceBand to set up Registeel or Garchomp again). Latias was sent in and .....

Latias used Charm - Rhyperior uses Crunch ..a Critical hit! Latias fainted


I switched into Grachomp and I used Earthquake (Sword Dance would have been better but I wanted to kill this thing as fast as possible) and I did around 55% - 60% damage. He used Earthquake too and did around 30% - 40%. Earthquake again and Rhyperior was dead. Dragon Tamer sent in ........Steelix. I Earthquake'd and his ShucaBerry activatet. So this set was:


575|Steelix|Adamant|Shuca Berry|Earthquake|Fire Fang |Thunder Fang|Ice Fang|Atk/Def


Now the game was lost ... Earthquake did (just) around 30% (because Shuca Berry lowers the strengh of Earthquake) and it used Ice Fang to KO Garchomp. Now my last hope was Registeel in hope to get some IronHead flinches to win. I chose IronHead and got three flinches in a row but after he Earthquake'd me (did around 55% - 60%). IronHead again, Earthquake GG.


If Latias wouldn't have been killed by the CriticalHit Crunch I could select Charm again and SwordDance on Garchomp but maybe a crit would have killed my Garchomp ... whatever.
Wish you good luck for your streaks!


Proof:

[Jumpman16**]

why didnt you get a sub up with registeel? "full setup" includes being behind a sub and that is 100% the reason why you lost, not because rhyperior ched latias with crunch or because you didnt SD with Garchomp. congrats on your streak but i'm a little surprised you didn't know better than to kill the tricked poke without a sub up, especially with Registeel (and dewgong can't break your sub without a CH).

also i find your "enorm potential" comment a little off putting and it's not even my team that you copied without any mention of its original creator (Peterko). this sentiment is underlined by your previous commentary on the team being devoid of any reference to the identical strategies that have been painstakingly detailed by him and others. im not trying to be a dick, it's just as if you're actually not aware that "your" team is virtually identical to a team that won 2,363 battles in plat and well that's kind of funny to say the least