CAP1 - Miscellaneous Flavor - (Flavor Ability Discussion)

reachzero · Apr 19th, 2011, 10:42:33 PM

It's finally time for us to decide on Tomohawk's Dream World ability! In this is thread, we will suggest and discuss flavor abilities. As this is a flavor ability, abilities suggested may not have competitive merit. I do not interpret thisto mean "less merit than Intimidate or Prankster", I interpret this to mean "no merit whatsoever". To be more specific, this eliminates:

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If you disagree with the exclusion of any ability on this list, or feel another ability not mentioned deserves to be excluded, feel free to argue so in this thread.

Here is our CAP so far:

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Originally Posted by Fat Cartoons!

Name: Tomohawk

Typing: Flying/Fighting

Base Stats: 105 HP/60 Atk/90 Def/115 SpA/80 SpD/85 Spe

Abilities: Intimidate/Prankster

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Originally Posted by Fat capefeather

*bursts in with an epic Final Submission*

Legend:
* - Move is repeated in this or a previous list
. - Move is (almost) required by a different move
! - Move is (almost) required by typing or ability
!! - Move is absolutely required by typing or ability
Bold - A VGM that is not repeated in this or a previous list

Level-up
00 Sunny Day
00 Aura Sphere
00 Fury Swipes
00 Harden
08 Fury Swipes*
13 Harden*
17 Aerial Ace
20 Morning Sun
23 Whirlwind
29 Rain Dance
33 Earth Power
37 Air Slash
42 Submission
45 Heat Wave
49 Hyper Voice
50 Sky Drop
51 Superpower
53 Rest
55 Hurricane
60 Healing Wish

Unique moves: 18
Unique VGMs: 13

Explanation
I've taken quite a few creative liberties with the level-up movepool. This CAP is really breaking a lot of ground because it's primary Flying and a Fighting-type with a poor Atk stat. I've always wanted to do a "mage" type learnset, and the shamanistic nature of this CAP has given me the perfect excuse to do so (though my original dream was to reference FF1's Chaos :P ). The "elemental" moves here are Rain Dance, Earth Power, Air Slash and Heat Wave, with Hurricane eventually learned near the end as well.

This learnset is full of sneaky references, which is why I've filled it to the maximum reasonable number of moves. I've incorporated a few of the North American aboriginal creation stories involving the raven (the raven is originally white in Haida myths). It references a myth about the raven stealing the sun, moon, stars (Sunny Day), a firebrand (Heat Wave, I guess), and fresh water (Rain Dance) to give to the mortal world. Sky Drop is somewhat a reference to another myth involving the raven dropping a stone into the ocean to form land. There's also a legend about a seagull and the raven sticking a thorn into its foot, but Spikes is disallowed, so... Aerial Ace and Submission are also here to reference the Street Fighter character T. Hawk. (The anime depicts Aerial Ace as a low-altitude gliding attack, and Submission is similar to the grapple that T. Hawk does.)

The progression is simple enough. I believe that Tomohawk should start off with a "base" special move (Aura Sphere) because it's one of only three special Fighting-type moves. The theme here is that it starts off using naive physical attacks like Fury Swipes and then eventually learns to channel the energies of the spirits and use them. Harden is a reference to Cartoons's original concept, with the fur hardening to act like feathers. I also need a move to fit with Tomohawk's name, a reference to a light axe that is thrown. Giga Impact doesn't quite fit, so Superpower has made it in. Finally, I feel that Tomohawk should get some kind of mind-refresh before getting Hurricane, but Amnesia is banned, so Rest is there instead.

Healing Wish is a cool move IMO; it's kind of a reference to FF6's Sabin (not that anyone used Spiraler or whatever it's called now), but more than that, it just fits somehow with the whole shaman / chieftain deal that this CAP is getting.

Machines
05 Roar
06 Toxic!!
08 Bulk Up!
10 Hidden Power!!
11 Sunny Day!*
12 Taunt
15 Hyper Beam!
17 Protect!!
18 Rain Dance*
20 Safeguard.
21 Frustration!!
22 SolarBeam.
26 Earthquake.
27 Return!!
31 Brick Break!
32 Double Team!!
33 Reflect
39 Rock Tomb!
40 Aerial Ace!*
42 Facade!!
44 Rest!!*
45 Attract!!
46 Thief
48 Round!!
49 Echoed Voice.
52 Focus Blast!
54 False Swipe
56 Fling!
58 Sky Drop*
59 Incinerate!!
60 Quash
62 Acrobatics
67 Retaliate!
68 Giga Impact!
70 Flash
78 Bulldoze.
80 Rock Slide!
83 Work Up!!
86 Grass Knot.
87 Swagger!!
90 Substitute!!
94 Rock Smash!!
h2 Fly
h4 Strength!!

Unique moves: 38
Unique VGMs: 16

Explanation
Most of these are type-move and move-move (almost) requirements. I want to avoid putting in too many Psychic-type moves because I don't think that they fit with the concept (though Reflect is there). Thief is another reference to the trickster aspect mentioned earlier, and a stronger reference to the firebrand is made through Incinerate and Flash. However, despite other Fire-type moves usually being required with Heat Wave, I've chosen not to put them in because I'm already breaking the Fire-type monopoly on level-up Heat Wave.

I also don't have Cut because Tomohawk is an "axe", not a sword (Cut is "Iai Cut", a reference to a sword technique) and this movepool has no claw moves other than Fury Swipes.

Breeding (Ground / Flying) (NO ILLEGALITIES)
Baton Pass (Eevee, Sentret, Furret, Aipom, Ambipom, Girafarig, Mawile, Buneary, Lopunny, Patrat, Watchog)

Confuse Ray (Vulpix, Ninetales, Lapras, Umbreon, Mantine, Stantler, Spoink, Grumpig, Watchog)

Focus Energy (Rattata, Raticate, Nidoran-M, Nidorino, Nidoking, Mankey, Primeape, Torchic, Combusken, Blaziken, Vigoroth, Numel, Camerupt, Stunky, Skuntank)

Haze (Zubat, Golbat, Crobat, Murkrow, Honchkrow)

Memento (Stunky, Skuntank)

Nature Power (Seedot, Nuzleaf, Deerling, Sawsbuck)

Rapid Spin (Sandshrew, Sandslash, Donphan, Torkoal, Drillbur, Excadrill)

Roost (Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Spearow, Fearow, Hoothoot, Noctowl, Dunsparce, Wingull, Pelipper, Chatot, Pidove, Tranquill, Unfezant, Ducklett, Swanna)

Stealth Rock (Skarmory)

Yawn (Wooper, Quagsire, Dunsparce, Slakoth, Vigoroth, Slaking, Bidoof, Bibarel, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, Pansear, Munna)

Unique moves: 10
Unique VGMs: 9

Explanation
Also known as the level-up rejects, honestly. Most of these are competitive moves that I really wanted on Tomohawk but couldn't fit into level-up or the machines. You may in particular notice my inclusion of Rapid Spin. Sorry, Delibird :( I think that this is a potentially great move for Tomohawk, and I'd personally like to see what Tomohawk can do with it. Will it be devastatingly effective like Excadrill, or will it be kind of lame like Forretress?

I've put Roost into the egg movepool because Tomohawk isn't really a bird (yeah, "Feather Rest", but still). But it still breeds with birds...? -.- Best not to think about it.

Total unique moves: 66
Total VGMs: 38

Some general comments

I'll admit that my movepool is mostly based on flavour, but the competitive theme here is a small but precise non-attacking movepool. I didn't put in every non-attacking move that "seems interesting" because there are way too many of them and a lot of the good ones are level-up/egg only. Let's be honest, here: Do we really need a super-bloated non-attacking movepool?

I've made an explicit effort to limit or outright avoid moves of the following categories:

Psychic-type (e.g. no Psych Up or Gravity)
Poison-type (e.g. no Sludge Wave)
Moves that modify anything other than Atk or Def (e.g. no Hone Claws)
Moves that can disrupt move choice (e.g. no Torment/Disable/Switcheroo)
Physical moves (all of the physical moves in this pool are justified by flavour or move-move guidelines)

I absolutely do not believe that most Psychic- or Poison-type moves make any sense on Tomohawk. In my view, Tomohawk should be using the powers of nature, not supernatural mind tricks or waves of garbage. (I don't quite get other people's justification of Mimic, either. Tomohawk is using a disguise, not copying others' actions.) I also want Tomohawk's Hurricane to get support entirely from rain or another Pokémon's Gravity, and not set it up for itself (other than with Rain Dance). I also find choice-disrupting moves potentially broken with this CAP, so I have excluded them. The movepool still does have some gems like bulky Substitute, Healing Wish, Memento, Roost and Yawn (arguably better than sleep if the opponent stays in).

You may have noticed that Baton Pass is this movepool's only switching move. Screw Volt Switch -.- Only Electric-types and Steel-types learn it. It doesn't make sense! Baton Pass is clearly the most effective switching move to include here, so that's what I have done.

I've also completely ignored move-move guidelines for Stealth Rock and Heat Wave. The main justification for this is that Tomohawk is not a Rock-type (or mainly rock-dwelling creature) or a Fire-type, so I'm violating "canon" a bit anyway by including these moves. I really didn't want to have to put in stuff like Sandstorm (doesn't make much sense to me) or Flame Charge (disallowed).

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Onetwobanana · Apr 19th, 2011, 10:58:17 PM

I think Rivalry should be both allowed and a top contender for Tomohawk's Dream World ability.

Alongside Intimidate and Prankster, Rivalry is such a terrible option that nobody in their right mind would consider it. With 60 Base Attack and no other way to increase his Attack, not even a gimmicky Physical-based Tomohawk would be possible.

Tortferngatr · Apr 19th, 2011, 10:59:48 PM

...While I personally think that we could just say "Tomohawk's DW ability is unreleased" and include the "really stupid abilities that technically do stuff but are really niche," and then from there allow the standard "bullshit ability" Inner Focus, I'll play this.

However, please remove Unnerve. Pinch berries don't exist yet, Leppa Berry Tropius/Exeggutor are gimmicks, and I propose that anyone who uses Sitrus Berry competitively be sentenced to death by Scizoring squad at dawn. its only real use is stopping Lum Berry-and the only non-hax status move (thus removing Hurricane from considerations) Tomohawk gets is...Yawn.

Also, why is White Smoke banned but not Clear Body? They're the same, right?

Finally, if all other reasoning fails...Big Pecks. Sure Tomo isn't a bird, but it's something. It also makes a small amount of sense, given Tomo is mimicking a bird, unlike several other uncompetitive abilities like Illuminate.

**RitterCat** · Apr 19th, 2011, 11:03:47 PM

Inner Focus is a nice standard general ability given to fighting types and also happens to conveniently be shit. So I support Inner Focus

Zebstrika · Apr 19th, 2011, 11:09:09 PM

Keen Eye and Big Pecks are both pretty useless abilities that might make some sense (they are often seen on other birds).

Unreleased probably will not work because the Dream World tier is something that people do play often.

Intimidate is ability 1 and Prankster is the DW ability or the other way around will eliminate the need for a flavor ability. As long as it isn't released as an event (like Blaziken or the Eeveelutions) it will be compatible with all of its moves except some moves from other events.

ToastTyrant13 · Apr 19th, 2011, 11:09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat RitterCat

Inner Focus is a nice standard general ability given to fighting types and also happens to conveniently be shit. So I support Inner Focus

Totally seconding this. The fact that Tomohawk looks so calm and focused makes it appear to be perfect for this. But of course...

Quote:

"no merit whatsoever"

...and there's, what, Fake Out and Iron Head Jirachi? Pfft. This ability sounds like a winner.

Inner Focus

Thorhammer · Apr 19th, 2011, 11:44:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Zebstrika

Intimidate is ability 1 and Prankster is the DW ability or the other way around will eliminate the need for a flavor ability. As long as it isn't released as an event (like Blaziken or the Eeveelutions) it will be compatible with all of its moves except some moves from other events.

It has already been decided that this will not be the case.

I agree that Rivalry should be permitted and would be a good flavor option. It has no competitive merit, yet fits with its typing. Inner Focus is another good choice, for reasons stated previously, but it seems a bit common and generic, and therefore I would say it is a less preferred ability.

Aerodactyl Legend · Apr 19th, 2011, 11:59:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat reachzero

If you disagree with the exclusion of any ability on this list, or feel another ability not mentioned deserves to be excluded, feel free to argue so in this thread.

With this statement, I feel that any argument or idea can be given (plus, the fact that this thread is on the subject of flavor should be an OK as well).

So I'll say now that I'm still strongly opposed to throwing another ability on Tomohawk for pure flavor reasons. An ability is a major part of a Pokemon. We have strived to try to stick to the original concepts of all CAPs throughout the project as best we can and I feel a "flavor ability" would be a wasted opportunity.

With saying that, to be blunt, I disagree with the exclusion of all the abilities in that list (this doesn't mean I'm in any ways supportive of stuff like Drizzle or Drought now). Of course, flavor should have something to do with it, so I'm not for most of them listed.

Since I don't see any rules against it, I will actually back competitively viable abilities. I am still interested in some of them which lost to Intimidate and Prankster. Primarily, Poison Heal for reasons given by other members in previous posts.

srk1214 · Apr 20th, 2011, 12:11:55 AM

Inner Focus has no merit for Tomohawk, since Iron Head Jirachi is not a factor due to priority Roosting, and Inner Focus will not matter when it comes to Fake Out users, since neither Ambipom nor Meinshao pose any threat to Tomohawk with Fake Out in the first place.

Therefore since it has approximately 0 competitive impact, and fits the flavor aspect... I support Inner Focus.

**jas61292** · Apr 20th, 2011, 12:16:57 AM

Anyone following my posts in the previous ability threads will know exactly which abilities I want.

Big Pecks, Big Pecks and Big Pecks

It's Flying. And it's fighting. If that doesn't scream BIG PECKS, then I don't know what does. Sure, it may not be a bird, but is is part birdish. And its not like birds are the only creature with pectoralis major. I mean, seriously it just works.

This is what this has all been leading up too, and it is just calling for Big Pecks. If Tomohawk doesn't get Big Pecks, then as far as I am concerned CAP1 will be a complete failure.

So once again, I reiterate: Big Pecks

***Oglemi**** · Apr 20th, 2011, 12:21:06 AM

I fully back Inner Focus, as that is a rather common flavor ability among the birds, and I don't like Big Pecks, no matter how funny it is.

reachzero · Apr 20th, 2011, 12:29:53 AM

Inner Focus is clearly competitive. With Inner Focus, Tomohawk actually BEATS SpD Jirachi one-on-one, whereas without it, it will nearly always lose one-on-one. Note that I'm assuming that Jirachi has Body Slam and Iron Head. Is Inner Focus good? Not really. Is it competitive? Definitely. Also, unless there was a mechanics change between DPP and BW, Rivalry boosts the damage done, not the Attack stat. In other words, it boosts the damage done by Special Attacks as well (try spamming Nidoking and you'll see what I mean).

Aerodactyl Legend · Apr 20th, 2011, 12:35:33 AM

To be more in line with Flavor, I wanted to ask this. The list includes abilities with competitive viability in general. What about possible abilities that are competively viable, but not on the CaP itself? I'm looking through the list for those that might fit that category. So far, I can only see Levitate (useless since he's Flying, though it does change things for Roost if it gets in the final movepool). But it would be dumb to give it that one (he has wings, he doesn't need to hover).

Onetwobanana · Apr 20th, 2011, 12:43:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat reachzero

Inner Focus is clearly competitive. With Inner Focus, Tomohawk actually BEATS SpD Jirachi one-on-one, whereas without it, it will nearly always lose one-on-one. Note that I'm assuming that Jirachi has Body Slam and Iron Head. Is Inner Focus good? Not really. Is it competitive? Definitely. Also, unless there was a mechanics change between DPP and BW, Rivalry boosts the damage done, not the Attack stat. In other words, it boosts the damage done by Special Attacks as well (try spamming Nidoking and you'll see what I mean).

I could have sworn that Rivalry boosted Attack, but upon further research it appears you're right.

With Rivalry out of the picture, Big Pecks seems to be the best option to me.

Focus · Apr 20th, 2011, 1:47:29 AM

How about Infiltrator? It is completely inferior as an ability to Intimidate and Prankster, and it just seems more fitting than Big Pecks. Tomohawk doesn't have a beak! Infiltrator is the hidden ability of several flying-types (namely Crobat, Jumpluff, and Ninjask), as well as being the compliment to Whimsicott's Prankster. Tomohawk would be in good company!

Edit: I also love Keen Eye as the third ability. Many random things get it, it is uncompetitive, and it fits the "flavor" of a fighting bird-thing. Also, lol @ Vader's suggestion below!

**macle** · Apr 20th, 2011, 3:37:29 AM

Big Peaks and Keen eye are very good choices. I have no problem with those.

Just throwing out tangled feet. With Tomohawk's big ass tail I can see it getting tangled up in its feet very easily.

Raikaria · Apr 20th, 2011, 6:50:18 AM

Has to be Big Pecks, out of the abilities suggested so far.

However, Defiant might be worthwhile too. It's not like Tomahawk will be making use of a +1 in attack [Because the only stat drop he'll ever eat is Intimidate]. Seeing as he's a Fighting type, it could be used for flavor.

Dogfish44 · Apr 20th, 2011, 8:21:50 AM

A lot of people are going for Tomohawk being a tribe leader in the pokedex flavor section.

I therefore think Friend Guard or Healer would be an appropiate ability.

GlassAbsol · Apr 20th, 2011, 9:09:31 AM

Since it's not on the list I'm going to vote Inconsistent haha I joke I joke, It seems that Big Pecks, along with being a Quality pun, is a very good choice for Tomo to have as it's Dream World Ability.

Paradox · Apr 20th, 2011, 9:24:23 AM

It's gotta be Moxie or Big Pecks. Big Pecks is great because Tomo is Flying/Fighting, so it applies to both sides of the pun. Moxie is certainly not competitive on Tomohawk, and the move is pretty much momentum incarnate, building with each turn.

I'd also support Moody. It has the same sort of "momentum" effect as Moxie, and is uncompetitive since it has been banned.

The Other Doug · Apr 20th, 2011, 9:39:10 AM

What about Early Bird? It fits flavor wise, and it's very non-competitive ability. Unnerve could also fit, considering that some pokemon with Intimidate get it as a dream world ability, such as Arbok & Masquerain.

Other abilities suggested that I like are Keen Eye and Infiltrator, both of them common abilities for Flying types.

GMLW · Apr 20th, 2011, 1:32:01 PM

Pickpocket

I mean, for God's sake, it already has Prankster as one of its abilities, I don't see why Pickpocket wouldn't work.

***Vader**** · Apr 20th, 2011, 1:57:13 PM

White Smoke

He smokes the peace pipe??

Engineer Pikachu · Apr 20th, 2011, 1:57:53 PM

Supporting Big Pecks for reasons listed by everybody else.

Most birds have this ability, so it fits in with the GF pokemon. It also seems trolly :D

**paintseagull** · Apr 20th, 2011, 2:18:38 PM

Gotta say, I don't love Big Pecks. I hate the name and the puns and it is a lame ability. Since this is for flavour, those reasonings count! Tomohawk and pre-Tomohawk (both designs that are in the running) are cooler than that! Because he has such fierce and righteous demeanor, and because fighting types are good versus dark, I think Justified is a great DW ability for Tomohawk.

Apr 19th, 2011, 10:59:48 PM	#3
Tortferngatr Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,545 United States of America	...While I personally think that we could just say "Tomohawk's DW ability is unreleased" and include the "really stupid abilities that technically do stuff but are really niche," and then from there allow the standard "bullshit ability" Inner Focus, I'll play this. However, please remove Unnerve. Pinch berries don't exist yet, Leppa Berry Tropius/Exeggutor are gimmicks, and I propose that anyone who uses Sitrus Berry competitively be sentenced to death by Scizoring squad at dawn. its only real use is stopping Lum Berry-and the only non-hax status move (thus removing Hurricane from considerations) Tomohawk gets is...Yawn. Also, why is White Smoke banned but not Clear Body? They're the same, right? Finally, if all other reasoning fails...Big Pecks. Sure Tomo isn't a bird, but it's something. It also makes a small amount of sense, given Tomo is mimicking a bird, unlike several other uncompetitive abilities like Illuminate. __________________ Cookie's law of a forum: as a thread gets longer, the probability of it being derailed by a religion argument approaches 1 If only the max avatar filesize was 90K... \|CAPASB stuff: My CAPASB Team~My reffing profile \|

Apr 19th, 2011, 11:03:47 PM	#4
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Apr 20th, 2011, 12:16:57 AM	#10
jas61292 likes his numbers Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,243 Strong as a Corsola	Anyone following my posts in the previous ability threads will know exactly which abilities I want. Big Pecks, Big Pecks and Big Pecks It's Flying. And it's fighting. If that doesn't scream BIG PECKS, then I don't know what does. Sure, it may not be a bird, but is is part birdish. And its not like birds are the only creature with pectoralis major. I mean, seriously it just works. This is what this has all been leading up too, and it is just calling for Big Pecks. If Tomohawk doesn't get Big Pecks, then as far as I am concerned CAP1 will be a complete failure. So once again, I reiterate: Big Pecks __________________ <jas61292> I record everything <nyttyn> prove it. <nyttyn> WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST THING I EVER SAID IN THIS CHANNEL. <jas61292> [06/02/12 \| 12:43] <NyttyN> Huh what deo you know shelll smash did get banned <nyttyn> what. <nyttyn> well congratulations jas your stalker nexus has reached an all time high.

Apr 20th, 2011, 1:47:29 AM	#15
Focus Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 559 THORAX CORPORATION LLC,,.	How about Infiltrator? It is completely inferior as an ability to Intimidate and Prankster, and it just seems more fitting than Big Pecks. Tomohawk doesn't have a beak! Infiltrator is the hidden ability of several flying-types (namely Crobat, Jumpluff, and Ninjask), as well as being the compliment to Whimsicott's Prankster. Tomohawk would be in good company! Edit: I also love Keen Eye as the third ability. Many random things get it, it is uncompetitive, and it fits the "flavor" of a fighting bird-thing. Also, lol @ Vader's suggestion below! __________________ [FONT=Arial]Insects are divided up into 3 different parts. The HEAD, the THORAX, and the ABDOMEN. The THORAX is the head of the insect. And that's what THORAX CORPORATION LLC,,. is all about. Getting you a HEAD of the rest. [/FONT] Last edited by Focus; Apr 20th, 2011 at 2:12:43 PM.

Apr 20th, 2011, 3:37:29 AM	#16
macle ribbit Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,724 Wisconsin Mentor	Big Peaks and Keen eye are very good choices. I have no problem with those. Just throwing out tangled feet. With Tomohawk's big ass tail I can see it getting tangled up in its feet very easily. __________________ Art for Articles Help Write In-game Articles

Apr 19th, 2011, 10:58:17 PM	#2
Onetwobanana Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 93	I think Rivalry should be both allowed and a top contender for Tomohawk's Dream World ability. Alongside Intimidate and Prankster, Rivalry is such a terrible option that nobody in their right mind would consider it. With 60 Base Attack and no other way to increase his Attack, not even a gimmicky Physical-based Tomohawk would be possible.

Apr 19th, 2011, 11:09:09 PM	#5
Zebstrika Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 623	Keen Eye and Big Pecks are both pretty useless abilities that might make some sense (they are often seen on other birds). Unreleased probably will not work because the Dream World tier is something that people do play often. Intimidate is ability 1 and Prankster is the DW ability or the other way around will eliminate the need for a flavor ability. As long as it isn't released as an event (like Blaziken or the Eeveelutions) it will be compatible with all of its moves except some moves from other events.

Apr 20th, 2011, 12:11:55 AM	#9
srk1214 Supreme Master of Trivia Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 807	Inner Focus has no merit for Tomohawk, since Iron Head Jirachi is not a factor due to priority Roosting, and Inner Focus will not matter when it comes to Fake Out users, since neither Ambipom nor Meinshao pose any threat to Tomohawk with Fake Out in the first place. Therefore since it has approximately 0 competitive impact, and fits the flavor aspect... I support Inner Focus.

Apr 20th, 2011, 12:21:06 AM	#11
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,529 ~(^.^)~	I fully back Inner Focus, as that is a rather common flavor ability among the birds, and I don't like Big Pecks, no matter how funny it is.

Apr 20th, 2011, 12:35:33 AM	#13
Aerodactyl Legend Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 968 Is inside an enemy AC130 above.	To be more in line with Flavor, I wanted to ask this. The list includes abilities with competitive viability in general. What about possible abilities that are competively viable, but not on the CaP itself? I'm looking through the list for those that might fit that category. So far, I can only see Levitate (useless since he's Flying, though it does change things for Roost if it gets in the final movepool). But it would be dumb to give it that one (he has wings, he doesn't need to hover).

Apr 20th, 2011, 6:50:18 AM	#17
Raikaria Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,165	Has to be Big Pecks, out of the abilities suggested so far. However, Defiant might be worthwhile too. It's not like Tomahawk will be making use of a +1 in attack [Because the only stat drop he'll ever eat is Intimidate]. Seeing as he's a Fighting type, it could be used for flavor.

Apr 20th, 2011, 8:21:50 AM	#18
Dogfish44 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,359 Deity of Misfortune	A lot of people are going for Tomohawk being a tribe leader in the pokedex flavor section. I therefore think Friend Guard or Healer would be an appropiate ability. __________________ CAPASB Team & Reffing Profile ASB Ruling? It might be here! 02:47:37 AM ~ <%Objection> i'm neutral on boobs

Apr 20th, 2011, 9:09:31 AM	#19
GlassAbsol Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 402 UK	Since it's not on the list I'm going to vote Inconsistent haha I joke I joke, It seems that Big Pecks, along with being a Quality pun, is a very good choice for Tomo to have as it's Dream World Ability. __________________ Insomniac: "Under further deliberation, I'm fine with the new art. My dad works at Nintendo and he told me you guys were going to get sued for Intellectual Property Theft."

Apr 20th, 2011, 9:24:23 AM	#20
Paradox Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 234	It's gotta be Moxie or Big Pecks. Big Pecks is great because Tomo is Flying/Fighting, so it applies to both sides of the pun. Moxie is certainly not competitive on Tomohawk, and the move is pretty much momentum incarnate, building with each turn. I'd also support Moody. It has the same sort of "momentum" effect as Moxie, and is uncompetitive since it has been banned.

Apr 20th, 2011, 9:39:10 AM	#21
The Other Doug Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 281 Not to be confused with DougJustDoug	What about Early Bird? It fits flavor wise, and it's very non-competitive ability. Unnerve could also fit, considering that some pokemon with Intimidate get it as a dream world ability, such as Arbok & Masquerain. Other abilities suggested that I like are Keen Eye and Infiltrator, both of them common abilities for Flying types. __________________ † I am a Christian and proud of it! Copy and paste this if you are too.† Uh, I'd like to put a funny quote in my sig, but the fourm won't let me for some reason...

Apr 20th, 2011, 1:32:01 PM	#22
GMLW Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 874 ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD	Pickpocket I mean, for God's sake, it already has Prankster as one of its abilities, I don't see why Pickpocket wouldn't work.

Apr 20th, 2011, 1:57:13 PM	#23
*Vader caustic Super Moderator** Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,188 avatar by magistrum	White Smoke He smokes the peace pipe?? __________________

Apr 20th, 2011, 1:57:53 PM	#24
Engineer Pikachu take into the air... Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,140	Supporting Big Pecks for reasons listed by everybody else. Most birds have this ability, so it fits in with the GF pokemon. It also seems trolly :D __________________ [11:35] <Zarator> My friend always laugh at me for liking young girls [11:35] <Zarator> I am still within reasonableness^^ GP Team - VM for a check!

Apr 20th, 2011, 2:18:38 PM	#25
paintseagull Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 461	Gotta say, I don't love Big Pecks. I hate the name and the puns and it is a lame ability. Since this is for flavour, those reasonings count! Tomohawk and pre-Tomohawk (both designs that are in the running) are cooler than that! Because he has such fierce and righteous demeanor, and because fighting types are good versus dark, I think Justified is a great DW ability for Tomohawk. __________________ paintseagull's art thread!