(Programming) PPRNG 1.15.0 (Mac)

[The Agonist]

Originally Posted by Fat chiizu

Sorry. Upon reinvestigation, I realized I had been looking at the wrong frame while stepping through in the debugger. It looks like this is hitting an edge case after all. It will take some further research to work out the correct ESV calculation, but what is currently there works correctly is the vast majority of cases (I can't give an actual percentage of cases where it's correct, but I would guess over 95%).

Huh. Well, I got what I wanted, so no biggie. One last issue that I've noticed (a minor one) is that when searching for seeds, I get results higher than the max PID frame set (500), but generally only about fifty frames higher than the max limit set.

[RNGabuse]

Originally Posted by Fat The Agonist

Huh. Well, I got what I wanted, so no biggie. One last issue that I've noticed (a minor one) is that when searching for seeds, I get results higher than the max PID frame set (500), but generally only about fifty frames higher than the max limit set.

500 does not represent the max. It really represents whatever the initial PID frame it plus 500. So if your starting frame is 51 the PID can be all the way up to 551.

[The Agonist]

Originally Posted by Fat RNGabuse

500 does not represent the max. It really represents whatever the initial PID frame it plus 500. So if your starting frame is 51 the PID can be all the way up to 551.

ah, okay, that makes sense. It used to cap the limit at 500 though, which is why I was curious.

[RNGabuse]

Also, if anyone has any trouble with stationary rng abuse. For example, if you're trying to rng a shiny Cobalion, or IV abused Virizion, etc... This video I made could be of help. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5faSQq55BsU

Quick Note - For this video, NPCs actually advanced my frame by 3.

[opkil]

Originally Posted by Fat chiizu

Could you please give me a screenshot of your Standard Seed Searcher or whichever searcher you are using that shows the search results that are giving you the problem?

I can tell you for a fact that if you were trying to use search results produced by 1.14.0 after you had already used 1.14.2, those search results will be wrong and will give you seeds that produce random IVs, so you definitely need to rerun the search with version 1.14.2.

Standard Seed Searching. (Hidden Hollow Encounter Type)(Any Nature)

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Chosen Seed. (Hidden Hollow Encounter Type)

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[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat opkil

Standard Seed Searching. (Hidden Hollow Encounter Type)(Any Nature)

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Chosen Seed. (Hidden Hollow Encounter Type)

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First, you don't have the encounter type set to hidden hollow in the seed inspector, but that won't affect the IVs.

When you try to hit that seed, what IVs (exactly -- or as close as you can tell) do you get?

[ShadowAssailant]

Hey. Small bug. Very small and not a big problem. Just bringing it to attention. If you try to resize the Hidden Grotto Seed Searcher window, it totally disappears and doesn't come back, yet it technically is still open.

[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat ShadowAssailant

Hey. Small bug. Very small and not a big problem. Just bringing it to attention. If you try to resize the Hidden Grotto Seed Searcher window, it totally disappears and doesn't come back, yet it technically is still open.

Thanks for catching this. It and a few other small bugs, along with the differing ESV issue identified by The Agonist are fixed as of 1.14.3. European game support for DS (and some DSi / 3DS) has also been added.

As always, see the first post in this thread for the download link.

[opkil]

Originally Posted by Fat chiizu

First, you don't have the encounter type set to hidden hollow in the seed inspector, but that won't affect the IVs.

When you try to hit that seed, what IVs (exactly -- or as close as you can tell) do you get?

Hi Chiizu, I just retried doing all that, all I had to do was to keep trying different seeds. Thank you! :)

[Prog89]

Thank you for the update!
I have a problem with the calibration, I have no results with Italian BW2 (with traditional method or new method).
With the japanese B2 I have no problems, both methods give me the same result.

[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat Prog89

Thank you for the update!
I have a problem with the calibration, I have no results with Italian BW2 (with traditional method or new method).
With the japanese B2 I have no problems, both methods give me the same result.

It should work for Italian Black 2, since we were able to find the Italian Black 2 DSi / 3DS parameters. Please try expanding the range in the searcher for timer0 (try min 1000, max 2000) and vcount (min 50, max ff) and run the search again. If you're still having problems, please post a screenshot of your searcher (either one, or preferably both) and I'll take a closer look.

[Prog89]

I tried in this way but I still get no results using the new method and I get a lot of wrong results using the old method.

[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat Prog89

I tried in this way but I still get no results using the new method and I get a lot of wrong results using the old method.

Ok, I see that I'm missing a piece of code for supporting the European games. They will not work in 1.14.3, sorry. I will release an update soon to fix this broken version.

[Prog89]

Don't worry, I'm glad to help if I can.

[ShadowAssailant]

Hey, Chiizu. I believe the program is having a problem. Believe is the keyword here. So, I've been trying for about 3 ish hours total over the past two days to try to RNG a Minccino in the Rt. 5 Hidden Grotto. I managed to get the Minccino to appear, but I can't hit my seed, or so it seems that way. My most recent attempt led me to believe that I may have been hitting my seeds all along, but the program is misinterpreting something. Here is a picture of what the Standard Seed Inspector window looks like right now (I figure this should contain most of the info you'll need via picture, yet please let me know if you need more):

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I am 90% sure I hit my Timer0 and the correct seed based upon the fact that my Minccino's HP, Attack, and Speed IV's are all 31 (the others can potentially be 31 based of Serebii's calculator, but I don't have anymore Rare Candy's to be able to tell unless I use Pokécheck). Anyways, the Minccino's nature is "Timid" and its characteristic is "Alert to sounds." "Alert to sounds," though, is the characteristic of the frame below this one. I ran the Inspector by changing everything like the held buttons (incase I forgot to hold down R or Down) to changing the seconds (incase I hit it too late) and even the Timer0 search area (incase I hit a different Timer0), yet the only set with flawless IV's is the one with the correct time and correct Timer0. Therefore, I do believe something might be wrong, but then again, I have misinterpreted this program before, so I may have done it again. I just want to make sure. :)

Edit: Okay, so I have realized that the Mild frame is frame 62, but I'm just going to guess something else has manipulated it (NPC, etc). The main reason for my posting is solely based on the flawless IVs.

[religiousjedi]

Do you use Chatot cries to confirm your initial PID? I know narrowing it down is a pain, so I just go with a Synchronizer to get my intended nature.

[ShadowAssailant]

Originally Posted by Fat religiousjedi

Do you use Chatot cries to confirm your initial PID? I know narrowing it down is a pain, so I just go with a Synchronizer to get my intended nature.

No I do not. I just start the game up at the correct time and with the right buttons. Then I mash X when the game loads. When I'm in my menu, I press B and quickly spam A to enter the battle. I've actually never tried using a Synchronizer. I guess now is the time to become acquainted with one? Lol.

[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat ShadowAssailant

I am 90% sure I hit my Timer0 and the correct seed based upon the fact that my Minccino's HP, Attack, and Speed IV's are all 31 (the others can potentially be 31 based of Serebii's calculator, but I don't have anymore Rare Candy's to be able to tell unless I use Pokécheck).

I understand that you don't want to capture it because it will disappear from the grotto, but if you could capture the one that you think has the perfect IVs and upload it to pokecheck I would really appreciate it. I can't tell what's happening from what you've described, and being able to see the actual PID you are getting would be a very good indicator of whatever issue may be going on. You would need to RNG abuse the grotto to get a Minccino again, however.

Just as a final thing to check, you've verified that the gender of what you are capturing is actually female, correct? Because if I set gender to male in PPRNG, then frame 56 is Timid with 'Alert to sounds'. As to what is advancing your frame, however, I'm not sure.

[ShadowAssailant]

Originally Posted by Fat chiizu

I understand that you don't want to capture it because it will disappear from the grotto, but if you could capture the one that you think has the perfect IVs and upload it to pokecheck I would really appreciate it. I can't tell what's happening from what you've described, and being able to see the actual PID you are getting would be a very good indicator of whatever issue may be going on. You would need to RNG abuse the grotto to get a Minccino again, however.

Just as a final thing to check, you've verified that the gender of what you are capturing is actually female, correct? Because if I set gender to male in PPRNG, then frame 56 is Timid with 'Alert to sounds'. As to what is advancing your frame, however, I'm not sure.

Thank you for the reply. I did restart my game without saving, so I will have to attempt to hit my seed again. When I get the right Minccino, I will let you know everything about it.

I am 100% sure that the Minccino is female. Every attempt so far has yielded a female result.

Again, I'm sorry for my questions. I do tend to jump to conclusions. As I said in the first post, I may be totally overlooking something myself or not doing the right method. If this is the case, I am sorry in advance.

Edit: Okay, so for once I'm not totally crazy. The Minccino is in fact flawless IV'd.

 #572 Minccino ♀ (level 24) 
OT:  Shadow ♂ (White 2, 1429/14535)
Mild - Skill Link - 31/31/31/31/31/31 - Untrained
DoubleSlap - Encore - Swift - Sing

I don't totally mind the fact that it doesn't have the right nature. The flawless IVs and the female parent with DW ability is very nice. I could go places with this spread, yet I'd still like to know what's up and get the spread I'm looking for.

[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat ShadowAssailant

 #572 Minccino ♀ (level 24) 
OT:  Shadow ♂ (White 2, 1429/14535)
Mild - Skill Link - 31/31/31/31/31/31 - Untrained
DoubleSlap - Encore - Swift - Sing

Please make it public, or take a screenshot of the page and post it here. I need to see more of the details (PID, etc.).

[ShadowAssailant]

Originally Posted by Fat chiizu

Please make it public, or take a screenshot of the page and post it here. I need to see more of the details (PID, etc.).

Updated. Here's a pic just incase. :P

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[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat ShadowAssailant

Updated. Here's a pic just incase. :P

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Your picture doesn't work and the Pokemon is still private. Please make it public or use a free image hosting site for your picture.

[ShadowAssailant]

I'm so sorry. This should finally work:

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[chiizu]

Originally Posted by Fat ShadowAssailant

I'm so sorry. This should finally work:

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Thank you. Between this and a couple of Hidden Grotto pokemon of my own I was able to work out the cause of the bug.

Originally Posted by Fat Prog89

I tried in this way but I still get no results using the new method and I get a lot of wrong results using the old method.

1.14.4 has been released. The main thing fixed (aside from ShadowAssailant's item) is the broken European game support, so European players can finally use PPRNG with Black 2 / White 2. See the first post for the other changes and download link.

As for your screenshots, Prog89, the IV search turned up correct results, but the Unova Link spins still turned up nothing. Please give it another try with the new version.

[Prog89]

Oh yes, it's perfect ;) thank you!!