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Jul 10th, 2007, 6:04:11 PM
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I only have "normal" deoxys, whatever that is. However, I just did them by hand here:
Deoxys "normal" form. Tier 116 Alakazam/Smeargle 66272, 66272 Attack Form. Tier 112 Gastly/Diglet 46208, 46208 Defense Form. Tier 124. Wobbuffet/Wobbuffet 139840, 139840 Speed Form tier 120. Sweeper/Sweeper 93024, 93024 The above tiers are in Def/SpDef form. So Deoxys normal is like Alakazam in Defense, like Smeargle in Special Defense. Last edited by Dragontamer; Jul 10th, 2007 at 6:15:36 PM. |
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Maybe I'm just dumb but I feel these sorts of lists fall in the territory of "big number syndrome."
I think it would be easier if we're assuming 252/252/252 spreads we should just use Base Stats. Ex: Instead of Regirock being 199742 for defense it would be 80 * 200 = 16000. Regirock's SD would be 80 * 100 or 8000. Now, some might argue this gives an edge to pokemon with higher Base HP, but when push comes to shove, a lot of defense becomes redundant in the upper echelons. There is little difference between Regirock eating Earthquake and Rhyperior eating Earthquake, both of their defense stats are so high already that it actually helps Rhyperior to have more HP. Top 10 Defense refigured: Pokemon Defense SDefense Giratina 18000 18000 Regirock 16000 8000 Steelix 15000 4875 Slaking 15000 9750 Rhyperior 14950 6325 Cresselia 14400 15600 Arceus 14400 14400 Groudon 14000 9000 Lugia 13780 16324 Aggron 12600 4200 Now, it seems counterintuitve at first, but it does give a much clearer picture. It may seem odd that Giratina tops the list over Regirock, but when dealing with these theoretical maximum spreads the extra HP makes all the difference. Same deal with Slaking above Rhyperior. It is only counterintuitive because most people don't stack Slaking with HP and Defense, whereas Rhyperior almost always gets a boost in one or the other. Do remember that defensive pokemon are also known for having good resists. Top 10 Special Defense refigured: Pokemon SDefense Defense Blissey 34425 2550 Chansey 26250 1250 Giratina 18000 18000 Snorlax 17600 10400 Regice 16000 8000 Lugia 16324 13780 Ho-oh 16324 9540 Cresselia 15600 14400 Arceus 14400 14400 Kyogre 14000 9000 The real stickout here is Snorlax over Regice, and again its because most Snorlax builds have a decent amount of EV's given to Attack or Defense, whereas Regice is essentiall Max HP first. |
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Second, running only Max HP EVs on everyone would be unfair to Blissey and other high HP pokemon like Azumarril. Running only max Defense EVs on everyone would be unfair to Cloyster and shuckle. This is why I explained everything I did step by step. Yes, Deck Knight, the ways you calculate the EVs will change the tier list... However, this list is not made for extreme scrutiny. It really is a made up statistic that (well, I believe) would be most suitable for analysis. It was easy to do, easy to calculate, and could be done en masse to all the pokemon. Anyway, from a "pure wall" standpoint, you will max out your EVs in both HP and Defense. Perhaps I should make a third and fourth list with 0 EVs which would be more accurate for "sweepers", and then a fifth and sixth for optimal EV spread with the calculated maximum 256EVs invested in defensive points which would be accurate for bulky types like Bulky Gyarados. I doubt anyone would appreciate the use of these 4 other charts however, and figuring a decent heuristic to balance things out like Cloyster who is among the top in Defense, and among the worst in Special Defense, would be very difficult. Especially to do it automatically. It would be even more convoluted than the current list! I'd rather stick with the current list as it is. Max HP and Max defense. It is easy to understand, the implications are easy to understand, and there is no fancy AI trying to figure out some optimal spread on a pokemon by pokemon basis that no one would agree to anyway. And yes, it would be an AI, because to find the optimal EV spread that everyone can agree to of a Pokemon is really playing the game intelligently, more intelligently than many RMT users on GameFAQs at least who stick defense EVs into Cloyster and stuff like that :-/ EDIT: I should add, I am willing to do the 0 EV spread, that is a "pure sweeper" EV on all the pokemon. Would that be useful? |
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Hm... I like Deck Knight's List for easy reference. I was thinking of something like that, except I realized that stats are more Accurate than Base Stats. Less random numbers I guess.
Obi, could you explain the percentage and other stuff in depth. The PM assumes the reader has a basic understand of how the list is made, which I lack.
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Maybe a simple 4 digit roundoff would work, like: Defense Code:
Regirock 1995 1194 Steelix 1940 889 Giratina 1875 1875 Aggron 1734 826 Rhyperior 1710 994 Groudon 1681 1236 Slaking 1653 1265 Arceus 1652 1652 Cresselia 1652 1749 Lugia 1639 1860 Registeel 1594 1594 Relicanth 1592 1014 Bastiodon 1549 1335 Tangrowth 1547 881 Hippowdon 1546 1121 Rhydon 1540 857 Cloyster 1532 629 Dialga 1503 1325 Shuckle 1498 1498 Regigigas 1484 1484 Forretress 1473 850 Suicune 1458 1458 Golem 1434 914 Metagross 1434 1114 Torkoal 1431 901 Donphan 1428 922 Tyranitar 1414 1325 Uxie 1395 1395 Skarmory 1389 875 Probopass 1383 1419 Slowbro 1379 1119 Umbreon 1379 1552 Wobbuffet 1378 1378 Gliscor 1356 966 Lairon 1348 706 Lickilicky 1344 1344 Miltank 1336 1032 Torterra 1336 1162 Garchomp 1331 1239 Celebi 1325 1325 Jirachi 1325 1325 Manaphy 1325 1325 Mew 1325 1325 Shaymin 1325 1325 Heatran 1320 1320 Lapras 1318 1471 Omastar 1318 901 Leafeon 1316 838 Snorlax 1315 1834 Walrein 1297 1297 Entei 1280 1185 Ho-oh 1273 1860 Mewtwo 1273 1273 Rayquaza 1267 1267 Onix 1260 567 Articuno 1260 1471 Palkia 1260 1428 Weezing 1242 875 Magnezone 1242 1053 Sudowoodo 1242 863 Sandslash 1239 811 Kyogre 1236 1681 Swampert 1236 1236 Mesprit 1234 1234 Bronzong 1230 1230 Feraligatr 1227 1088 Dragonite 1224 1266 Poliwrath 1217 1175 Cradily 1211 1293 Tangela 1206 655 Mamoswine 1204 1018 Drapion 1204 939 Meganium 1194 1194 Regice 1194 1995 Dusknoir 1191 1191 Blastoise 1187 1227 Togekiss 1186 1350 Hariyama 1181 1181 Kangaskhan 1176 1176 Swalot 1176 1176 Moltres 1175 1133 Tropius 1170 1206 Glaceon 1169 1059 Exeggutor 1162 989 Quagsire 1162 989 Armaldo 1161 1005 Rhyhorn 1154 633 Nidoqueen 1152 1133 Azumarill 1147 1147 Piloswine 1147 970 Vespiquen 1146 1146 Porygon2 1144 1186 Whiscash 1141 1124 Marowak 1134 920 Graveler 1134 650 Kingler 1134 685 Zapdos 1133 1175 Gligar 1132 838 Magcargo 1131 863 Muk 1130 1358 Scizor 1128 977 Wailord 1126 1126 Empoleon 1123 1231 Kingdra 1122 1122 Tauros 1122 927 Yanmega 1120 872 Dusclops 1119 1119 Salamence 1119 1119 Slowking 1119 1379 Latias 1114 1434 Vaporeon 1114 1471 Gyarados 1111 1292 Milotic 1111 1509 Gastrodon 1099 1231 Claydol 1098 1205 Kabutops 1098 849 Pinsir 1096 875 Shelgon 1096 728 Arcanine 1091 1091 Dewgong 1091 1217 Machamp 1091 1133 Altaria 1083 1200 Lanturn 1071 1253 Nosepass 1069 808 Gorebyss 1064 857 Huntail 1064 857 Metang 1063 920 Pelipper 1063 849 Crobat 1062 1062 Clefable 1060 1206 Venusaur 1059 1194 Dunsparce 1058 1014 Darkrai 1053 1053 Spiritomb 1052 1052 Skuntank 1050 996 Abomasnow 1048 1133 Ampharos 1048 1175 Granbull 1048 922 Lickitung 1048 1048 Politoed 1048 1260 Raikou 1048 1260 Ursaring 1048 1048 Bellossom 1044 1161 Grotle 1044 889 Vileplume 1044 1083 Flygon 1034 1034 Glalie 1034 1034 Latios 1034 1274 Phione 1034 1034 Vigoroth 1034 834 Drifblim 1033 1144 Luxray 1026 1026 Golduck 1019 1034 Exploud 1018 1018 Nidoking 1017 999 Solrock 1015 863 Pidgeot 1010 969 Charizard 1008 1062 Typhlosion 1008 1062 Sealeo 1006 1006 Wigglytuff 1002 1055 Aron 997 596 Seadra 995 650 Heracross 994 1154 Hypno 980 1350 Porygon 980 1021 Staraptor 980 815 Lopunny 979 1069 Scyther 977 977 Crawdaunt 974 756 Shieldon 972 797 Octillery 966 966 Slowpoke 964 753 Bonsly 964 629 Cubone 964 663 Hitmontop 964 1064 Magneton 964 796 Starmie 956 956 Wormadam 956 1098 Ninetales 956 1148 Rampardos 955 868 Blaziken 954 954 Ludicolo 954 1194 Machoke 954 874 Hippopotas 952 683 Croconaw 949 825 Bronzor 948 948 Lumineon 944 1019 Infernape 943 943 Carnivine 940 940 Lileep 934 1008 Geodude 932 494 Furret 931 856 Pineco 930 562 Munchlax 929 1398 Toxicroak 929 929 Blissey 928 2892 Azelf 927 927 Golbat 927 966 Jumpluff 927 1044 Corsola 926 926 Togetic 926 1064 Phanpy 922 753 Shiftry 922 922 Bayleef 920 920 Breloom 920 778 Exeggcute 920 671 Parasect 920 920 Wartortle 914 914 Aerodactyl 914 994 Grumpig 914 1274 Seaking 914 1034 Tentacruel 914 1354 Victreebel 914 874 Qwilfish 912 765 Electivire 906 1044 Magmortar 906 1122 Ariados 901 826 Camerupt 901 939 Castform 901 901 Cherrim 901 963 Froslass 901 901 Lucario 901 901 Marshtomp 901 901 Mightyena 901 826 Pupitar 901 901 Honchkrow 901 901 Koffing 900 588 Ambipom 899 899 Omanyte 899 627 Mawile 897 696 Sandshrew 897 529 Medicham 885 885 Noctowl 881 1293 Nidorina 881 788 Chimecho 875 949 Mantine 875 1389 Porygon 875 912 Rapidash 875 949 Xatu 875 875 Linoone 875 875 Skorupi 869 650 Bibarel 869 869 Shellder 866 430 Delcatty 863 788 Girafarig 863 863 Lunatone 863 1015 Sceptile 863 1015 Weavile 863 1015 Purugly 862 823 Wailmer 858 858 Stantler 858 879 Hitmonchan 857 1064 Prinplup 857 916 Floatzel 856 815 Gabite 853 779 Gallade 853 1227 Gardevoir 853 1227 Dodrio 849 778 Dustox 849 991 Electrode 849 920 Gloom 849 885 Kecleon 849 1205 Pachirisu 849 991 Rotom 845 845 Wynaut 843 843 Masquerain 843 994 Arbok 842 914 Seviper 840 840 Zangoose 840 840 Fearow 838 812 Poliwhirl 838 728 Chansey 838 2387 Banette 833 820 Sableye 830 763 Cacturne 826 826 Manectric 826 826 Venomoth 826 939 Dragonair 818 854 Nincada 814 463 Sunflora 811 1044 Clamperl 808 627 Kabuto 808 546 Krabby 808 430 Beldum 807 682 Absol 802 802 Espeon 802 1059 Flareon 802 1169 Jolteon 802 1059 Persian 802 838 Primeape 802 875 Ivysaur 800 920 Grimer 794 794 Kricketune 791 791 Flaaffy 788 826 Turtwig 782 719 Electabuzz 782 985 Magmar 782 985 Combusken 778 778 Gengar 778 885 Misdreavus 778 956 Mismagius 778 1098 Shroomish 778 778 Slakoth 778 599 Spinda 778 778 Swellow 778 706 Gulpin 774 774 Houndoom 772 1005 Illumise 765 912 Seel 765 875 Volbeat 765 912 Nidorino 763 747 Shellos 762 872 Totodile 757 651 Pidgeotto 756 719 Charmeleon 755 803 Quilava 755 803 Loudred 755 755 Raticate 754 823 Machop 750 636 Marill 750 750 Mothim 750 750 Spheal 750 750 Duskull 747 747 Raichu 742 920 Roserade 742 1098 Monferno 740 740 Chikorita 738 738 Chatot 737 716 Clefairy 736 863 Squirtle 733 727 Weepinbell 728 691 Corphish 728 537 Aipom 719 719 Sneasel 719 857 Mr. Mime 713 1056 Beautifly 706 706 Butterfree 706 920 Lombre 706 849 Minun 706 956 Snover 706 778 Snubbull 706 635 Teddiursa 706 706 Venonat 706 742 Bagon 706 512 Goldeen 706 641 Swablu 706 803 Farfetch 705 755 Drifloon 703 787 Finneon 701 734 Nidoran 700 615 Luxio 700 700 Stunky 700 657 Piplup 698 719 Cascoon 696 496 Metapod 696 496 Ponyta 696 763 Silcoon 696 496 Horsea 692 430 Yanma 691 691 Togepi 688 688 Eevee 685 788 Ledian 685 1099 Skiploom 685 788 Staravia 685 615 Hitmonlee 684 1064 Chinchou 680 821 Ninjask 675 711 Nuzleaf 674 674 Sharpedo 674 674 Oddish 673 738 Drowzee 671 991 Magnemite 665 582 Luvdisc 664 728 Deoxys 663 663 Larvitar 663 663 Mudkip 663 663 Snorunt 663 663 Vibrava 663 663 Cranidos 662 588 Gible 662 662 Jigglypuff 660 707 Beedrill 655 949 Murkrow 651 651 Psyduck 651 663 Baltoy 650 744 Alakazam 650 926 Growlithe 650 685 Wooper 650 512 Buneary 644 728 Ditto 642 642 Unown 642 642 Anorith 641 641 Chingling 641 641 Kakuna 641 479 Mantyke 641 1094 Bulbasaur 635 738 Numel 635 671 Plusle 635 885 Bidoof 631 631 Grovyle 629 763 Roselia 629 863 Skitty 629 562 Paras 627 627 Seedot 619 494 Voltorb 619 650 Jynx 618 1059 Barboach 617 605 Mareep 615 650 Cherubi 609 662 Delibird 609 609 Haunter 609 673 Trapinch 609 609 Glameow 607 574 Makuhita 606 606 Meditite 605 605 Staryu 605 605 Spoink 599 920 Chimchar 599 599 Dugtrio 597 718 Azurill 596 596 Cacnea 596 596 Swinub 596 529 Dratini 592 623 Croagunk 588 588 Burmy 588 588 Natu 588 588 Buizel 581 546 Smeargle 581 650 Nidoran 580 580 Torchic 576 641 Charmander 572 615 Cyndaquil 572 615 Doduo 567 507 Hoothoot 564 752 Bellsprout 562 529 Ekans 562 622 Magikarp 559 371 Elekid 559 673 Magby 559 673 Zigzagoon 557 557 Electrike 557 557 Pidgey 557 525 Poliwag 557 557 Riolu 557 557 Slugma 557 557 Spinarak 557 557 Kricketot 553 553 Vulpix 549 703 Caterpie 544 447 Wurmple 544 512 Igglybuff 541 584 Shuppet 540 529 Shinx 538 538 Hoppip 537 627 Combee 531 531 Whismur 528 528 Budew 525 744 Mankey 525 588 Meowth 525 557 Tentacool 525 932 Treecko 525 650 Zubat 525 557 Kirlia 518 641 Cleffa 517 696 Houndour 512 641 Surskit 508 633 Poochyena 507 477 Remoraid 507 507 Tyrogue 507 507 Mime Jr. 505 747 Sentret 501 567 Kadabra 494 744 Ledyba 494 807 Lotad 494 619 Spearow 494 503 Starly 494 494 Taillow 494 494 Weedle 494 432 Wingull 494 494 Rattata 488 488 Happiny 481 1014 Pikachu 477 537 Gastly 459 488 Sunkern 459 459 Carvanha 447 447 Shedinja 426 358 Ralts 424 481 Smoochum 415 738 Feebas 371 559 Diglett 365 464 Abra 358 582 Pichu 344 451 Code:
Blissey 928 2892 Chansey 838 2387 Regice 1194 1995 Giratina 1875 1875 Ho-oh 1273 1860 Lugia 1639 1860 Snorlax 1315 1834 Cresselia 1652 1749 Kyogre 1236 1681 Arceus 1652 1652 Registeel 1594 1594 Umbreon 1379 1552 Milotic 1111 1509 Shuckle 1498 1498 Regigigas 1484 1484 Lapras 1318 1471 Vaporeon 1114 1471 Articuno 1260 1471 Suicune 1458 1458 Latias 1114 1434 Palkia 1260 1428 Probopass 1383 1419 Munchlax 929 1398 Uxie 1395 1395 Mantine 875 1389 Slowking 1119 1379 Wobbuffet 1378 1378 Muk 1130 1358 Tentacruel 914 1354 Hypno 980 1350 Togekiss 1186 1350 Lickilicky 1344 1344 Bastiodon 1549 1335 Celebi 1325 1325 Dialga 1503 1325 Jirachi 1325 1325 Manaphy 1325 1325 Mew 1325 1325 Shaymin 1325 1325 Tyranitar 1414 1325 Heatran 1320 1320 Walrein 1297 1297 Cradily 1211 1293 Noctowl 881 1293 Gyarados 1111 1292 Grumpig 914 1274 Latios 1034 1274 Mewtwo 1273 1273 Rayquaza 1267 1267 Dragonite 1224 1266 Slaking 1653 1265 Politoed 1048 1260 Raikou 1048 1260 Lanturn 1071 1253 Garchomp 1331 1239 Groudon 1681 1236 Swampert 1236 1236 Mesprit 1234 1234 Empoleon 1123 1231 Gastrodon 1099 1231 Bronzong 1230 1230 Gallade 853 1227 Gardevoir 853 1227 Blastoise 1187 1227 Dewgong 1091 1217 Tropius 1170 1206 Clefable 1060 1206 Claydol 1098 1205 Kecleon 849 1205 Altaria 1083 1200 Ludicolo 954 1194 Meganium 1194 1194 Regirock 1995 1194 Venusaur 1059 1194 Dusknoir 1191 1191 Porygon2 1144 1186 Entei 1280 1185 Hariyama 1181 1181 Kangaskhan 1176 1176 Swalot 1176 1176 Ampharos 1048 1175 Poliwrath 1217 1175 Zapdos 1133 1175 Flareon 802 1169 Torterra 1336 1162 Bellossom 1044 1161 Heracross 994 1154 Ninetales 956 1148 Azumarill 1147 1147 Vespiquen 1146 1146 Drifblim 1033 1144 Abomasnow 1048 1133 Machamp 1091 1133 Moltres 1175 1133 Nidoqueen 1152 1133 Wailord 1126 1126 Whiscash 1141 1124 Kingdra 1122 1122 Magmortar 906 1122 Hippowdon 1546 1121 Dusclops 1119 1119 Salamence 1119 1119 Slowbro 1379 1119 Metagross 1434 1114 Ledian 685 1099 Mismagius 778 1098 Roserade 742 1098 Wormadam 956 1098 Mantyke 641 1094 Arcanine 1091 1091 Feraligatr 1227 1088 Vileplume 1044 1083 Lopunny 979 1069 Togetic 926 1064 Hitmonchan 857 1064 Hitmonlee 684 1064 Hitmontop 964 1064 Crobat 1062 1062 Charizard 1008 1062 Typhlosion 1008 1062 Espeon 802 1059 Glaceon 1169 1059 Jolteon 802 1059 Jynx 618 1059 Mr. Mime 713 1056 Wigglytuff 1002 1055 Darkrai 1053 1053 Magnezone 1242 1053 Spiritomb 1052 1052 Lickitung 1048 1048 Ursaring 1048 1048 Electivire 906 1044 Jumpluff 927 1044 Sunflora 811 1044 Flygon 1034 1034 Glalie 1034 1034 Golduck 1019 1034 Phione 1034 1034 Seaking 914 1034 Miltank 1336 1032 Luxray 1026 1026 Porygon 980 1021 Lumineon 944 1019 Exploud 1018 1018 Mamoswine 1204 1018 Lunatone 863 1015 Sceptile 863 1015 Weavile 863 1015 Dunsparce 1058 1014 Happiny 481 1014 Relicanth 1592 1014 Lileep 934 1008 Sealeo 1006 1006 Armaldo 1161 1005 Houndoom 772 1005 Nidoking 1017 999 Skuntank 1050 996 Masquerain 843 994 Rhyperior 1710 994 Aerodactyl 914 994 Drowzee 671 991 Dustox 849 991 Pachirisu 849 991 Exeggutor 1162 989 Quagsire 1162 989 Electabuzz 782 985 Magmar 782 985 Scizor 1128 977 Scyther 977 977 Piloswine 1147 970 Pidgeot 1010 969 Gliscor 1356 966 Golbat 927 966 Octillery 966 966 Cherrim 901 963 Minun 706 956 Misdreavus 778 956 Starmie 956 956 Blaziken 954 954 Beedrill 655 949 Chimecho 875 949 Rapidash 875 949 Bronzor 948 948 Infernape 943 943 Carnivine 940 940 Camerupt 901 939 Drapion 1204 939 Venomoth 826 939 Tentacool 525 932 Toxicroak 929 929 Azelf 927 927 Tauros 1122 927 Alakazam 650 926 Corsola 926 926 Donphan 1428 922 Granbull 1048 922 Shiftry 922 922 Bayleef 920 920 Butterfree 706 920 Electrode 849 920 Ivysaur 800 920 Marowak 1134 920 Metang 1063 920 Parasect 920 920 Raichu 742 920 Spoink 599 920 Prinplup 857 916 Wartortle 914 914 Arbok 842 914 Golem 1434 914 Illumise 765 912 Porygon 875 912 Volbeat 765 912 Castform 901 901 Froslass 901 901 Lucario 901 901 Marshtomp 901 901 Omastar 1318 901 Pupitar 901 901 Torkoal 1431 901 Honchkrow 901 901 Ambipom 899 899 Grotle 1044 889 Steelix 1940 889 Gengar 778 885 Gloom 849 885 Medicham 885 885 Plusle 635 885 Tangrowth 1547 881 Stantler 858 879 Pinsir 1096 875 Primeape 802 875 Seel 765 875 Skarmory 1389 875 Weezing 1242 875 Xatu 875 875 Linoone 875 875 Machoke 954 874 Victreebel 914 874 Yanmega 1120 872 Shellos 762 872 Bibarel 869 869 Rampardos 955 868 Clefairy 736 863 Girafarig 863 863 Solrock 1015 863 Sudowoodo 1242 863 Magcargo 1131 863 Roselia 629 863 Wailmer 858 858 Gorebyss 1064 857 Huntail 1064 857 Sneasel 719 857 Rhydon 1540 857 Furret 931 856 Dragonair 818 854 Forretress 1473 850 Kabutops 1098 849 Lombre 706 849 Pelipper 1063 849 Rotom 845 845 Wynaut 843 843 Seviper 840 840 Zangoose 840 840 Gligar 1132 838 Leafeon 1316 838 Persian 802 838 Vigoroth 1034 834 Aggron 1734 826 Ariados 901 826 Cacturne 826 826 Flaaffy 788 826 Manectric 826 826 Mightyena 901 826 Croconaw 949 825 Purugly 862 823 Raticate 754 823 Chinchou 680 821 Banette 833 820 Floatzel 856 815 Staraptor 980 815 Fearow 838 812 Sandslash 1239 811 Nosepass 1069 808 Ledyba 494 807 Charmeleon 755 803 Quilava 755 803 Swablu 706 803 Absol 802 802 Shieldon 972 797 Magneton 964 796 Grimer 794 794 Kricketune 791 791 Eevee 685 788 Skiploom 685 788 Delcatty 863 788 Nidorina 881 788 Drifloon 703 787 Gabite 853 779 Breloom 920 778 Combusken 778 778 Dodrio 849 778 Shroomish 778 778 Snover 706 778 Spinda 778 778 Gulpin 774 774 Qwilfish 912 765 Grovyle 629 763 Ponyta 696 763 Sableye 830 763 Crawdaunt 974 756 Loudred 755 755 Farfetch 705 755 Phanpy 922 753 Slowpoke 964 753 Hoothoot 564 752 Marill 750 750 Mothim 750 750 Spheal 750 750 Duskull 747 747 Mime Jr. 505 747 Nidorino 763 747 Baltoy 650 744 Budew 525 744 Kadabra 494 744 Venonat 706 742 Monferno 740 740 Bulbasaur 635 738 Chikorita 738 738 Oddish 673 738 Smoochum 415 738 Finneon 701 734 Buneary 644 728 Poliwhirl 838 728 Shelgon 1096 728 Luvdisc 664 728 Squirtle 733 727 Pidgeotto 756 719 Piplup 698 719 Aipom 719 719 Turtwig 782 719 Dugtrio 597 718 Chatot 737 716 Ninjask 675 711 Jigglypuff 660 707 Beautifly 706 706 Lairon 1348 706 Swellow 778 706 Teddiursa 706 706 Vulpix 549 703 Luxio 700 700 Cleffa 517 696 Mawile 897 696 Weepinbell 728 691 Yanma 691 691 Togepi 688 688 Growlithe 650 685 Kingler 1134 685 Hippopotas 952 683 Beldum 807 682 Nuzleaf 674 674 Sharpedo 674 674 Elekid 559 673 Haunter 609 673 Magby 559 673 Exeggcute 920 671 Numel 635 671 Cubone 964 663 Deoxys 663 663 Larvitar 663 663 Mudkip 663 663 Psyduck 651 663 Snorunt 663 663 Vibrava 663 663 Gible 662 662 Cherubi 609 662 Stunky 700 657 Tangela 1206 655 Murkrow 651 651 Totodile 757 651 Skorupi 869 650 Treecko 525 650 Voltorb 619 650 Graveler 1134 650 Mareep 615 650 Seadra 995 650 Smeargle 581 650 Ditto 642 642 Unown 642 642 Kirlia 518 641 Anorith 641 641 Chingling 641 641 Goldeen 706 641 Houndour 512 641 Torchic 576 641 Machop 750 636 Snubbull 706 635 Rhyhorn 1154 633 Surskit 508 633 Bidoof 631 631 Bonsly 964 629 Cloyster 1532 629 Clamperl 808 627 Hoppip 537 627 Omanyte 899 627 Paras 627 627 Dratini 592 623 Ekans 562 622 Lotad 494 619 Nidoran 700 615 Staravia 685 615 Charmander 572 615 Cyndaquil 572 615 Delibird 609 609 Trapinch 609 609 Makuhita 606 606 Barboach 617 605 Meditite 605 605 Staryu 605 605 Slakoth 778 599 Chimchar 599 599 Aron 997 596 Azurill 596 596 Cacnea 596 596 Cranidos 662 588 Croagunk 588 588 Burmy 588 588 Koffing 900 588 Mankey 525 588 Natu 588 588 Igglybuff 541 584 Abra 358 582 Magnemite 665 582 Nidoran 580 580 Glameow 607 574 Onix 1260 567 Sentret 501 567 Pineco 930 562 Skitty 629 562 Feebas 371 559 Zigzagoon 557 557 Electrike 557 557 Meowth 525 557 Poliwag 557 557 Riolu 557 557 Slugma 557 557 Spinarak 557 557 Zubat 525 557 Kricketot 553 553 Kabuto 808 546 Buizel 581 546 Shinx 538 538 Pikachu 477 537 Corphish 728 537 Combee 531 531 Bellsprout 562 529 Sandshrew 897 529 Swinub 596 529 Shuppet 540 529 Whismur 528 528 Pidgey 557 525 Wooper 650 512 Bagon 706 512 Wurmple 544 512 Doduo 567 507 Remoraid 507 507 Tyrogue 507 507 Spearow 494 503 Cascoon 696 496 Metapod 696 496 Silcoon 696 496 Geodude 932 494 Seedot 619 494 Starly 494 494 Taillow 494 494 Wingull 494 494 Gastly 459 488 Rattata 488 488 Ralts 424 481 Kakuna 641 479 Poochyena 507 477 Diglett 365 464 Nincada 814 463 Sunkern 459 459 Pichu 344 451 Carvanha 447 447 Caterpie 544 447 Weedle 494 432 Horsea 692 430 Krabby 808 430 Shellder 866 430 Magikarp 559 371 Shedinja 426 358 EDIT: Thanks to Microsoft Excel functions for letting me adjust the lists in like 10 minutes. Mean Defense(ALL): 897 Mean Special Defense(ALL): 895 Mean Defense(Top100): 1334 Rank 100: Scizor. Mean Special Defense(Top100): 1172 Rank 100: Dusclops Last edited by Deck Knight; Jul 11th, 2007 at 12:32:13 AM. |
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I like the way "Red Blue Yellow" did it, which was basically getting these numbers in the tens of thousands, and then dividing them all by the highest (non-uber). This gives you numbers in terms of a %.
What the % means is basically you define the % in terms of Registeel's overall defenses for the overall defense chart, define Blissey as 100% in the Special Defense chart, and define Regirock as 100% in the Defense chart. The % then gives you what % of the defenses that Pokemon has. For instance, if a Pokemon has a rating of 50% in the Special Defense chart, that means it takes special hits half as well as Blissey. This also means you don't have to tier anything, since you can tell just how far apart they are with a quick reference to the numbers. Tiering can still be helpful for a really quick reference, though.
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Who is a better Wall?Cresselia or Deoxy LG. |
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Deoxy-psychic,recover,t-wave,light screen Cresselia-psychic,moonlight,t-wave,light screen We know that Deoxy Lg is better utility pokemon that is clear.I know the next question are sort loaded question.Does recover make Deoxy LG so much better than Cresselia?Is the gap between these poke really so huge?Just something to think about. Last edited by Luck; Jul 11th, 2007 at 8:51:26 AM. |
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This is great, and it also illustrates how ridiculous Blissey is.
I was going to do something similar, but factoring in weakness and resistance, for a better chart. I was going to use my Overall Harm formula which I used for my Defense EVs applet. I think it's quite similar to yours though.
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What is your take on the logarithmic tier list? With every pokemon in a tier within 10% each other defensively, it is both accurate to work with, easy to work with and manipulate (as shown how we can easily compare the effects of Intimidate by simply changing the tier number by 4) and finally easier to see who is similar defensively. I should note that I can easily generate a tier list of any percentage, the program is already written. Tier Post for reference Perhaps I can organize the Tiers. Just giving the raw log-score would probably be the best way to organize the information. It would be accurate AND precise, and there would be very few numbers to manipulate. Thats 3 decimals for the tier number, and 1 decimal for "sub" tier number which can make a subcategory for every pokemon that is within 1% defense of each other. This gives the advantage of 4 decimal roundoff, (really, only 4 decimals are around) while at the same time keeps the advantage of an exponential scale AND the tier system. Quote:
Yes, I feel this list is more accurate than looking at the Defense and Sp. Def scores among various pokemon, but keep it where it is worth. This is not the "best wall" tier list. These are simply pure statistics... not taking anything into account at all. Last edited by Dragontamer; Jul 11th, 2007 at 5:29:24 PM. |
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Ultimately Deoxy LG since does not have to concentrate any evs offense and it does have a far superior movepool.It can put together moveset full take advantage of what deoxys does best.I am not going deny that deoxy movepool helps out alot.
What i was trying to prove is when it comes down to take a real hit from something Cresselia on a whole is better and deoxys big advantage recover can be replicated to limited extent on Cresselia. The real part of discussion can't be talked about as it will lead to a tier discussion, also it named Deoxy it has negative association with it.I have theory on it but it will have to wait until competitor or their is allowed tier discussion to talk about it. |
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For instance, Cresselia makes a pretty damn good wall for Garchomp because it's immune to EQ and can eat Dragon Claw repeatedly, but Heracross craps all over it. In contrast, Gliscor LOLs at Hera but even with Ice Fang it doesn't really want to switch in to Garchomp's Swords Dance or CB Dragon Claw. Slaking is a pokemon with only one fairly rare immunity and no resistances, it only has one weakness though. Registeel on the other hand has a boatload of useful resistances, but the 3 weaks it does have are very bad. |
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Okay. 4 tiers this time. EVs at 255, then EVs at 0.
----------- EVs at 255 ---------- Defense Tiers lookup Tier 128 Regirock Tier Tier 127 Giratina tier Tier 126 Cresselia Tier Tier 125 Lugia tier Tier 124 Wobbuffet tier Tier 123 Mew Tier Tier 122 Dusknoir tier Tier 121 Salamence, no Intimidate tier Tier 120 Sweeper tier -- Starmie, Infernape, PorygonZ, Azelf Tier 119 Lucario tier Tier 118 Gengar tier Tier 117 Butterfree tier Tier 116 Alakazam tier Tier 115 Dugtrio tier Tier 114 Pidgey tier Tier 113 Pikachu tier Tier 112 Gastly tier Tier 111 Ralt tier Tier 110 Diglett tier Tier 109 Pichu tier ---Defense Tiers lists--- Code:
Tier 128 Regirock
Regirock 128.04 122.65
Tier 127 Giratina
Steelix 127.75 119.55
Giratina 127.39 127.39
Tier 126 Cresselia
Aggron 126.57 118.78
Rhyperior 126.42 120.73
Groudon 126.24 123.02
Slaking 126.07 123.26
Cresselia 126.06 126.66
Arceus 126.06 126.06
Tier 125 Lugia
Lugia 125.98 127.30
Registeel 125.69 125.69
Relicanth 125.67 120.94
Bastiodon 125.38 123.82
Tangrowth 125.37 119.46
Hippowdon 125.36 122.00
Rhydon 125.33 119.17
Cloyster 125.27 115.93
Dialga 125.07 123.75
Shuckle 125.04 125.04
Tier 124 Wobbuffet
Regigigas 124.94 124.94
Forretress 124.86 119.08
Suicune 124.75 124.75
Golem 124.58 119.85
Metagross 124.58 121.93
Torkoal 124.55 119.70
Donphan 124.54 119.94
Tyranitar 124.43 123.75
Uxie 124.29 124.29
Skarmory 124.25 119.39
Probopass 124.20 124.47
Slowbro 124.17 121.97
Umbreon 124.17 125.41
Wobbuffet 124.16 124.16
Tier 123 Mew
Gliscor 123.99 120.44
Lairon 123.93 117.15
Lickilicky 123.90 123.90
Torterra 123.83 122.37
Miltank 123.83 121.13
Garchomp 123.80 123.04
Shaymin 123.75 123.75
Manaphy 123.75 123.75
Jirachi 123.75 123.75
Celebi 123.75 123.75
Mew 123.75 123.75
Heatran 123.71 123.71
Omastar 123.69 119.70
Lapras 123.69 124.84
Leafeon 123.68 118.94
Snorlax 123.67 127.16
Walrein 123.53 123.53
Entei 123.39 122.57
Ho-oh 123.33 127.30
Mewtwo 123.33 123.33
Rayquaza 123.28 123.28
Onix 123.22 114.84
Palkia 123.22 124.54
Articuno 123.22 124.84
Weezing 123.07 119.39
Magnezone 123.07 121.33
Sudowoodo 123.07 119.25
Sandslash 123.04 118.59
Kyogre 123.02 126.24
Swampert 123.02 123.02
Mesprit 123.00 123.00
Tier 122 Dusknoir
Bronzong 122.97 122.97
Feraligatr 122.94 121.68
Dragonite 122.91 123.27
Poliwrath 122.86 122.49
Cradily 122.80 123.49
Tangela 122.76 116.35
Mamoswine 122.74 120.98
Drapion 122.74 120.14
Regice 122.65 128.04
Meganium 122.65 122.65
Dusknoir 122.63 122.63
Blastoise 122.60 122.94
Togekiss 122.58 123.94
Hariyama 122.54 122.54
Swalot 122.49 122.49
Kangaskhan 122.49 122.49
Moltres 122.49 122.10
Tropius 122.44 122.76
Glaceon 122.43 121.39
Quagsire 122.37 120.68
Exeggutor 122.37 120.68
Armaldo 122.36 120.85
Rhyhorn 122.30 116.00
Nidoqueen 122.28 122.10
Azumarill 122.24 122.24
Piloswine 122.24 120.47
Vespiquen 122.22 122.22
Porygon2 122.21 122.58
Whiscash 122.17 122.02
Kingler 122.11 116.82
Graveler 122.11 116.27
Marowak 122.11 119.92
Zapdos 122.10 122.49
Gligar 122.10 118.94
Magcargo 122.08 119.25
Muk 122.08 124.00
Scizor 122.06 120.55
Wailord 122.04 122.04
Empoleon 122.02 122.98
Kingdra 122.00 122.00
Tauros 122.00 120.00
Tier 121 Salamence w/o Intimidate
Yanmega 121.99 119.36
Slowking 121.97 124.17
Dusclops 121.97 121.97
Salamence 121.97 121.97
Latias 121.93 124.58
Vaporeon 121.92 124.84
Gyarados 121.90 123.48
Milotic 121.90 125.11
Gastrodon 121.79 122.98
Kabutops 121.78 119.08
Claydol 121.78 122.75
Pinsir 121.75 119.39
Shelgon 121.75 117.47
Machamp 121.70 122.10
Dewgong 121.70 122.86
Arcanine 121.70 121.70
Altaria 121.63 122.71
Lanturn 121.52 123.16
Nosepass 121.50 118.56
Huntail 121.45 119.18
Gorebyss 121.45 119.18
Crobat 121.43 121.43
Pelipper 121.43 119.08
Metang 121.43 119.92
Venusaur 121.40 122.65
Clefable 121.40 122.76
Dunsparce 121.39 120.94
Darkrai 121.33 121.33
Spiritomb 121.32 121.32
Skuntank 121.30 120.76
Raikou 121.29 123.22
Ursaring 121.29 121.29
Granbull 121.29 119.94
Abomasnow 121.29 122.10
Politoed 121.29 123.22
Ampharos 121.29 122.49
Lickitung 121.29 121.29
Grotle 121.25 119.55
Vileplume 121.25 121.63
Bellossom 121.25 122.36
Latios 121.14 123.34
Drifblim 121.14 122.21
Glalie 121.14 121.14
Vigoroth 121.14 118.88
Phione 121.14 121.14
Flygon 121.14 121.14
Luxray 121.07 121.07
Tier 120 Sweepers
Golduck 120.99 121.14
Nidoking 120.98 120.79
Exploud 120.98 120.98
Solrock 120.95 119.25
Pidgeot 120.90 120.47
Charizard 120.88 121.43
Typhlosion 120.88 121.43
Sealeo 120.86 120.86
Wigglytuff 120.81 121.36
Aron 120.76 115.36
Seadra 120.75 116.27
Heracross 120.73 122.30
Hypno 120.58 123.94
Staraptor 120.58 118.65
Porygon 120.58 121.01
Lopunny 120.57 121.49
Scyther 120.55 120.55
Crawdaunt 120.51 117.86
Shieldon 120.49 118.42
Octillery 120.44 120.44
Bonsly 120.41 115.93
Slowpoke 120.41 117.81
Magneton 120.41 118.41
Cubone 120.41 116.48
Hitmontop 120.41 121.45
Starmie 120.32 120.32
Ninetales 120.32 122.24
Wormadam 120.32 121.78
Rampardos 120.31 119.30
Blaziken 120.30 120.30
Ludicolo 120.30 122.65
Machoke 120.30 119.38
Hippopotas 120.28 116.80
Croconaw 120.24 118.78
Bronzor 120.23 120.23
Lumineon 120.19 120.99
Infernape 120.18 120.18
Carnivine 120.14 120.14
Lileep 120.08 120.88
Geodude 120.05 113.40
Furret 120.05 119.17
Pineco 120.04 114.76
Munchlax 120.02 124.31
Toxicroak 120.02 120.02
Blissey 120.01 131.94
Jumpluff 120.00 121.25
Golbat 120.00 120.44
Azelf 120.00 120.00
Tier 119 Lucario
Corsola 119.99 119.99
Togetic 119.99 121.45
Shiftry 119.94 119.94
Phanpy 119.94 117.81
Breloom 119.92 118.16
Bayleef 119.92 119.92
Exeggcute 119.92 116.60
Parasect 119.92 119.92
Wartortle 119.86 119.86
Tentacruel 119.85 123.97
Seaking 119.85 121.14
Grumpig 119.85 123.34
Aerodactyl 119.85 120.73
Victreebel 119.85 119.38
Qwilfish 119.83 117.98
Magmortar 119.76 122.00
Electivire 119.76 121.25
Mightyena 119.70 118.78
Marshtomp 119.70 119.70
Pupitar 119.70 119.70
Camerupt 119.70 120.14
Froslass 119.70 119.70
Castform 119.70 119.70
Ariados 119.70 118.78
Cherrim 119.70 120.40
Honchkrow 119.70 119.70
Lucario 119.70 119.70
Koffing 119.69 115.22
Ambipom 119.68 119.68
Omanyte 119.67 115.90
Mawile 119.65 116.99
Sandshrew 119.65 114.11
Medicham 119.51 119.51
Noctowl 119.46 123.49
Nidorina 119.46 118.29
Chimecho 119.39 120.24
Porygon 119.39 119.83
Linoone 119.39 119.39
Rapidash 119.39 120.24
Xatu 119.39 119.39
Mantine 119.39 124.25
Skorupi 119.32 116.28
Bibarel 119.32 119.32
Shellder 119.28 111.95
Lunatone 119.25 120.95
Girafarig 119.25 119.25
Sceptile 119.25 120.95
Delcatty 119.25 118.29
Weavile 119.25 120.95
Purugly 119.23 118.76
Wailmer 119.19 119.19
Stantler 119.18 119.44
Hitmonchan 119.18 121.45
Prinplup 119.17 119.88
Floatzel 119.17 118.65
Gardevoir 119.13 122.94
Gabite 119.13 118.17
Gallade 119.13 122.94
Gloom 119.08 119.51
Dodrio 119.08 118.16
Electrode 119.08 119.92
Pachirisu 119.08 120.70
Kecleon 119.08 122.75
Dustox 119.08 120.70
Rotom 119.03 119.03
Wynaut 119.00 119.00
Tier 118 Gengar
Masquerain 119.00 120.73
Arbok 118.99 119.85
Zangoose 118.96 118.96
Seviper 118.96 118.96
Fearow 118.94 118.60
Poliwhirl 118.94 117.47
Chansey 118.94 129.92
Banette 118.88 118.71
Sableye 118.84 117.96
Cacturne 118.78 118.78
Venomoth 118.78 120.14
Manectric 118.78 118.78
Dragonair 118.69 119.14
Nincada 118.63 112.71
Sunflora 118.59 121.25
Kabuto 118.56 114.45
Krabby 118.56 111.95
Clamperl 118.56 115.90
Beldum 118.54 116.77
Persian 118.47 118.94
Primeape 118.47 119.39
Absol 118.47 118.47
Espeon 118.47 121.39
Flareon 118.47 122.43
Jolteon 118.47 121.39
Ivysaur 118.46 119.92
Grimer 118.37 118.37
Kricketune 118.34 118.34
Flaaffy 118.29 118.78
Turtwig 118.21 117.33
Electabuzz 118.21 120.64
Magmar 118.21 120.64
Mismagius 118.16 121.78
Spinda 118.16 118.16
Slakoth 118.16 115.42
Shroomish 118.16 118.16
Swellow 118.16 117.15
Combusken 118.16 118.16
Misdreavus 118.16 120.32
Gengar 118.16 119.51
Gulpin 118.11 118.11
Houndoom 118.08 120.85
Tier 117 Butterfree
Volbeat 117.98 119.83
Illumise 117.98 119.83
Seel 117.98 119.39
Nidorino 117.95 117.73
Shellos 117.94 119.36
Totodile 117.87 116.28
Pidgeotto 117.86 117.34
Loudred 117.85 117.85
Quilava 117.85 118.49
Charmeleon 117.85 118.49
Raticate 117.83 118.75
Spheal 117.77 117.77
Marill 117.77 117.77
Mothim 117.77 117.77
Machop 117.77 116.05
Duskull 117.73 117.73
Roserade 117.66 121.78
Raichu 117.66 119.92
Monferno 117.64 117.64
Chikorita 117.61 117.61
Chatot 117.59 117.28
Clefairy 117.58 119.25
Squirtle 117.53 117.45
Weepinbell 117.47 116.92
Corphish 117.46 114.26
Aipom 117.33 117.33
Sneasel 117.33 119.18
Mr._Mime 117.24 121.37
Snover 117.15 118.16
Butterfree 117.15 119.92
Venonat 117.15 117.66
Snubbull 117.15 116.03
Teddiursa 117.15 117.15
Beautifly 117.15 117.15
Lombre 117.15 119.08
Minun 117.15 120.32
Bagon 117.14 113.76
Goldeen 117.14 116.13
Swablu 117.14 118.49
Farfetch 117.13 117.84
Drifloon 117.09 118.28
Nidoran 117.06 115.70
Finneon 117.06 117.55
Luxio 117.05 117.05
Stunky 117.05 116.38
Piplup 117.01 117.34
Tier 116 Alakazam
Metapod 116.99 113.43
Cascoon 116.99 113.43
Silcoon 116.99 113.43
Ponyta 116.99 117.96
Horsea 116.93 111.95
Yanma 116.92 116.92
Togepi 116.87 116.87
Staravia 116.82 115.70
Skiploom 116.82 118.30
Ledian 116.82 121.78
Eevee 116.82 118.30
Hitmonlee 116.81 121.45
Chinchou 116.74 118.73
Ninjask 116.67 117.21
Sharpedo 116.66 116.66
Nuzleaf 116.66 116.66
Oddish 116.64 117.61
Drowzee 116.60 120.70
Magnemite 116.52 115.11
Luvdisc 116.50 117.46
Deoxys 116.48 116.48
Snorunt 116.48 116.48
Vibrava 116.48 116.48
Mudkip 116.48 116.48
Larvitar 116.48 116.48
Gible 116.47 116.47
Cranidos 116.47 115.22
Jigglypuff 116.43 117.16
Beedrill 116.35 120.24
Murkrow 116.29 116.29
Psyduck 116.28 116.48
Baltoy 116.28 117.69
Wooper 116.27 113.77
Growlithe 116.27 116.82
Alakazam 116.27 119.99
Buneary 116.17 117.47
Unown 116.14 116.14
Ditto 116.14 116.14
Chingling 116.13 116.13
Mantyke 116.13 121.73
Anorith 116.13 116.13
Kakuna 116.13 113.08
Numel 116.03 116.60
Plusle 116.03 119.51
Bulbasaur 116.03 117.61
Tier 115 Dugtrio
Bidoof 115.97 115.97
Roselia 115.93 119.25
Skitty 115.93 114.76
Grovyle 115.93 117.96
Paras 115.90 115.90
Seedot 115.76 113.40
Voltorb 115.76 116.28
Jynx 115.74 121.39
Barboach 115.73 115.52
Mareep 115.70 116.27
Trapinch 115.58 115.58
Delibird 115.58 115.58
Cherubi 115.58 116.46
Haunter 115.58 116.64
Glameow 115.56 114.97
Makuhita 115.53 115.53
Staryu 115.51 115.51
Meditite 115.51 115.51
Spoink 115.42 119.92
Chimchar 115.41 115.41
Dugtrio 115.39 117.32
Azurill 115.36 115.36
Swinub 115.36 114.11
Cacnea 115.36 115.36
Dratini 115.29 115.84
Burmy 115.22 115.22
Croagunk 115.22 115.22
Natu 115.22 115.22
Buizel 115.10 114.45
Smeargle 115.10 116.27
Nidoran 115.08 115.08
Torchic 115.01 116.13
Tier 114 Pidgey
Charmander 114.94 115.69
Cyndaquil 114.94 115.69
Doduo 114.84 113.67
Hoothoot 114.78 117.80
Bellsprout 114.76 114.11
Ekans 114.74 115.81
Magikarp 114.69 110.39
Magby 114.68 116.64
Elekid 114.68 116.64
Zigzagoon 114.66 114.66
Riolu 114.65 114.65
Electrike 114.65 114.65
Slugma 114.65 114.65
Spinarak 114.65 114.65
Poliwag 114.65 114.65
Pidgey 114.65 114.04
Kricketot 114.58 114.58
Vulpix 114.50 117.09
Caterpie 114.40 112.34
Wurmple 114.40 113.76
Igglybuff 114.36 115.15
Shuppet 114.33 114.10
Shinx 114.29 114.29
Hoppip 114.27 115.90
Combee 114.15 114.15
Whismur 114.09 114.09
Zubat 114.04 114.65
Treecko 114.04 116.28
Meowth 114.04 114.65
Mankey 114.04 115.22
Budew 114.04 117.69
Tentacool 114.04 120.05
Tier 113 Pikachu
Kirlia 113.89 116.13
Cleffa 113.87 116.99
Houndour 113.76 116.13
Surskit 113.70 116.00
Remoraid 113.67 113.67
Tyrogue 113.67 113.67
Poochyena 113.67 113.02
Mime 113.63 117.73
Sentret 113.55 114.84
Starly 113.40 113.40
Wingull 113.40 113.40
Taillow 113.40 113.40
Lotad 113.40 115.76
Ledyba 113.40 118.54
Kadabra 113.40 117.69
Spearow 113.40 113.58
Weedle 113.40 111.98
Rattata 113.28 113.28
Happiny 113.11 120.94
Pikachu 113.02 114.27
Tier 112 Gastly
Gastly 112.63 113.28
Sunkern 112.63 112.63
Carvanha 112.34 112.34
Tier 111 Ralts
Shedinja 111.85 110.03
Ralts 111.79 113.12
Smoochum 111.56 117.61
Tier 110 Diglett
Feebas 110.39 114.69
Diglett 110.22 112.73
Abra 110.02 115.11
Tier 109 Pichu
Pichu 109.60 112.45
Tier 131 Blissey Tier 130 OMFG Blissey Beats the rest so much this tier is empty tier Tier 129 Chansey Tier 128 Regice Tier 127 Lugia Tier 126 Cresselia Tier 125 Shuckle Tier 124 Wobbuffet Tier 123 Mew Tier 122 Dusknoir Tier 121 Spiritomb Tier 120 Sweeper Tier 119 Alakazam Tier 118 Staraptor Tier 117 Ninjask Tier 116 Smeargle Tier 115 Delibird Tier 114 Pikachu Tier 113 Metapod Tier 112 Diglett Tier 111 Weedle Tier 110 Magikarp Code:
Tier 131 Blissey
Blissey 120.01 131.94
Tier 130 OMFG Blissey Beats the rest so much this tier is empty tier
Tier 129 Chansey
Chansey 118.94 129.92
Tier 128 Regice
Regice 122.65 128.04
Tier 127 Lugia
Giratina 127.39 127.39
Lugia 125.98 127.30
Ho-oh 123.33 127.30
Snorlax 123.67 127.16
Tier 126 Cresselia
Cresselia 126.06 126.66
Kyogre 123.02 126.24
Arceus 126.06 126.06
Tier 125 Shuckle
Registeel 125.69 125.69
Umbreon 124.17 125.41
Milotic 121.90 125.11
Shuckle 125.04 125.04
Tier 124 Wobbuffet
Regigigas 124.94 124.94
Lapras 123.69 124.84
Vaporeon 121.92 124.84
Articuno 123.22 124.84
Suicune 124.75 124.75
Latias 121.93 124.58
Palkia 123.22 124.54
Probopass 124.20 124.47
Munchlax 120.02 124.31
Uxie 124.29 124.29
Mantine 119.39 124.25
Slowking 121.97 124.17
Wobbuffet 124.16 124.16
Muk 122.08 124.00
Tier 123 Mew
Tentacruel 119.85 123.97
Hypno 120.58 123.94
Togekiss 122.58 123.94
Lickilicky 123.90 123.90
Bastiodon 125.38 123.82
Shaymin 123.75 123.75
Manaphy 123.75 123.75
Dialga 125.07 123.75
Jirachi 123.75 123.75
Celebi 123.75 123.75
Tyranitar 124.43 123.75
Mew 123.75 123.75
Heatran 123.71 123.71
Walrein 123.53 123.53
Noctowl 119.46 123.49
Cradily 122.80 123.49
Gyarados 121.90 123.48
Latios 121.14 123.34
Grumpig 119.85 123.34
Mewtwo 123.33 123.33
Rayquaza 123.28 123.28
Dragonite 122.91 123.27
Slaking 126.07 123.26
Politoed 121.29 123.22
Raikou 121.29 123.22
Lanturn 121.52 123.16
Garchomp 123.80 123.04
Groudon 126.24 123.02
Swampert 123.02 123.02
Mesprit 123.00 123.00
Tier 122 Dusknoir
Gastrodon 121.79 122.98
Empoleon 122.02 122.98
Bronzong 122.97 122.97
Gallade 119.13 122.94
Blastoise 122.60 122.94
Gardevoir 119.13 122.94
Dewgong 121.70 122.86
Clefable 121.40 122.76
Tropius 122.44 122.76
Kecleon 119.08 122.75
Claydol 121.78 122.75
Altaria 121.63 122.71
Regirock 128.04 122.65
Ludicolo 120.30 122.65
Venusaur 121.40 122.65
Meganium 122.65 122.65
Dusknoir 122.63 122.63
Porygon2 122.21 122.58
Entei 123.39 122.57
Hariyama 122.54 122.54
Poliwrath 122.86 122.49
Kangaskhan 122.49 122.49
Zapdos 122.10 122.49
Swalot 122.49 122.49
Ampharos 121.29 122.49
Flareon 118.47 122.43
Torterra 123.83 122.37
Bellossom 121.25 122.36
Heracross 120.73 122.30
Ninetales 120.32 122.24
Azumarill 122.24 122.24
Vespiquen 122.22 122.22
Drifblim 121.14 122.21
Machamp 121.70 122.10
Moltres 122.49 122.10
Nidoqueen 122.28 122.10
Abomasnow 121.29 122.10
Wailord 122.04 122.04
Whiscash 122.17 122.02
Kingdra 122.00 122.00
Magmortar 119.76 122.00
Tier 121 Spiritomb
Hippowdon 125.36 122.00
Salamence 121.97 121.97
Dusclops 121.97 121.97
Slowbro 124.17 121.97
Metagross 124.58 121.93
Roserade 117.66 121.78
Wormadam 120.32 121.78
Mismagius 118.16 121.78
Ledian 116.82 121.78
Mantyke 116.13 121.73
Arcanine 121.70 121.70
Feraligatr 122.94 121.68
Vileplume 121.25 121.63
Lopunny 120.57 121.49
Hitmonlee 116.81 121.45
Togetic 119.99 121.45
Hitmontop 120.41 121.45
Hitmonchan 119.18 121.45
Charizard 120.88 121.43
Typhlosion 120.88 121.43
Crobat 121.43 121.43
Espeon 118.47 121.39
Glaceon 122.43 121.39
Jynx 115.74 121.39
Jolteon 118.47 121.39
Mr._Mime 117.24 121.37
Wigglytuff 120.81 121.36
Magnezone 123.07 121.33
Darkrai 121.33 121.33
Spiritomb 121.32 121.32
Ursaring 121.29 121.29
Lickitung 121.29 121.29
Sunflora 118.59 121.25
Jumpluff 120.00 121.25
Electivire 119.76 121.25
Glalie 121.14 121.14
Flygon 121.14 121.14
Seaking 119.85 121.14
Phione 121.14 121.14
Golduck 120.99 121.14
Miltank 123.83 121.13
Luxray 121.07 121.07
Porygon 120.58 121.01
Tier 120 Sweeper
Lumineon 120.19 120.99
Mamoswine 122.74 120.98
Exploud 120.98 120.98
Sceptile 119.25 120.95
Lunatone 119.25 120.95
Weavile 119.25 120.95
Happiny 113.11 120.94
Relicanth 125.67 120.94
Dunsparce 121.39 120.94
Lileep 120.08 120.88
Sealeo 120.86 120.86
Armaldo 122.36 120.85
Houndoom 118.08 120.85
Nidoking 120.98 120.79
Skuntank 121.30 120.76
Rhyperior 126.42 120.73
Aerodactyl 119.85 120.73
Masquerain 119.00 120.73
Dustox 119.08 120.70
Pachirisu 119.08 120.70
Drowzee 116.60 120.70
Exeggutor 122.37 120.68
Quagsire 122.37 120.68
Magmar 118.21 120.64
Electabuzz 118.21 120.64
Scizor 122.06 120.55
Scyther 120.55 120.55
Pidgeot 120.90 120.47
Piloswine 122.24 120.47
Gliscor 123.99 120.44
Golbat 120.00 120.44
Octillery 120.44 120.44
Cherrim 119.70 120.40
Minun 117.15 120.32
Misdreavus 118.16 120.32
Starmie 120.32 120.32
Blaziken 120.30 120.30
Chimecho 119.39 120.24
Rapidash 119.39 120.24
Beedrill 116.35 120.24
Bronzor 120.23 120.23
Infernape 120.18 120.18
Camerupt 119.70 120.14
Drapion 122.74 120.14
Carnivine 120.14 120.14
Venomoth 118.78 120.14
Tentacool 114.04 120.05
Toxicroak 120.02 120.02
Tauros 122.00 120.00
Azelf 120.00 120.00
Tier 119 Alakazam
Corsola 119.99 119.99
Alakazam 116.27 119.99
Donphan 124.54 119.94
Shiftry 119.94 119.94
Granbull 121.29 119.94
Bayleef 119.92 119.92
Spoink 115.42 119.92
Metang 121.43 119.92
Marowak 122.11 119.92
Electrode 119.08 119.92
Ivysaur 118.46 119.92
Butterfree 117.15 119.92
Parasect 119.92 119.92
Raichu 117.66 119.92
Prinplup 119.17 119.88
Wartortle 119.86 119.86
Golem 124.58 119.85
Arbok 118.99 119.85
Volbeat 117.98 119.83
Porygon 119.39 119.83
Illumise 117.98 119.83
Pupitar 119.70 119.70
Marshtomp 119.70 119.70
Torkoal 124.55 119.70
Froslass 119.70 119.70
Castform 119.70 119.70
Omastar 123.69 119.70
Honchkrow 119.70 119.70
Lucario 119.70 119.70
Ambipom 119.68 119.68
Steelix 127.75 119.55
Grotle 121.25 119.55
Gloom 119.08 119.51
Plusle 116.03 119.51
Medicham 119.51 119.51
Gengar 118.16 119.51
Tangrowth 125.37 119.46
Stantler 119.18 119.44
Linoone 119.39 119.39
Skarmory 124.25 119.39
Primeape 118.47 119.39
Seel 117.98 119.39
Xatu 119.39 119.39
Weezing 123.07 119.39
Pinsir 121.75 119.39
Machoke 120.30 119.38
Victreebel 119.85 119.38
Yanmega 121.99 119.36
Shellos 117.94 119.36
Bibarel 119.32 119.32
Rampardos 120.31 119.30
Clefairy 117.58 119.25
Magcargo 122.08 119.25
Girafarig 119.25 119.25
Sudowoodo 123.07 119.25
Roselia 115.93 119.25
Solrock 120.95 119.25
Wailmer 119.19 119.19
Gorebyss 121.45 119.18
Huntail 121.45 119.18
Sneasel 117.33 119.18
Rhydon 125.33 119.17
Furret 120.05 119.17
Dragonair 118.69 119.14
Kabutops 121.78 119.08
Forretress 124.86 119.08
Pelipper 121.43 119.08
Lombre 117.15 119.08
Rotom 119.03 119.03
Wynaut 119.00 119.00
Tier 118 Staraptor
Seviper 118.96 118.96
Zangoose 118.96 118.96
Leafeon 123.68 118.94
Gligar 122.10 118.94
Persian 118.47 118.94
Vigoroth 121.14 118.88
Aggron 126.57 118.78
Manectric 118.78 118.78
Cacturne 118.78 118.78
Mightyena 119.70 118.78
Flaaffy 118.29 118.78
Ariados 119.70 118.78
Croconaw 120.24 118.78
Purugly 119.23 118.76
Raticate 117.83 118.75
Chinchou 116.74 118.73
Banette 118.88 118.71
Staraptor 120.58 118.65
Floatzel 119.17 118.65
Fearow 118.94 118.60
Sandslash 123.04 118.59
Nosepass 121.50 118.56
Ledyba 113.40 118.54
Swablu 117.14 118.49
Charmeleon 117.85 118.49
Quilava 117.85 118.49
Absol 118.47 118.47
Shieldon 120.49 118.42
Magneton 120.41 118.41
Grimer 118.37 118.37
Kricketune 118.34 118.34
Skiploom 116.82 118.30
Eevee 116.82 118.30
Nidorina 119.46 118.29
Delcatty 119.25 118.29
Drifloon 117.09 118.28
Gabite 119.13 118.17
Shroomish 118.16 118.16
Combusken 118.16 118.16
Spinda 118.16 118.16
Breloom 119.92 118.16
Dodrio 119.08 118.16
Snover 117.15 118.16
Gulpin 118.11 118.11
Tier 117 Ninjask
Qwilfish 119.83 117.98
Grovyle 115.93 117.96
Sableye 118.84 117.96
Ponyta 116.99 117.96
Crawdaunt 120.51 117.86
Loudred 117.85 117.85
Farfetch 117.13 117.84
Phanpy 119.94 117.81
Slowpoke 120.41 117.81
Hoothoot 114.78 117.80
Mothim 117.77 117.77
Spheal 117.77 117.77
Marill 117.77 117.77
Duskull 117.73 117.73
Nidorino 117.95 117.73
Mime 113.63 117.73
Kadabra 113.40 117.69
Baltoy 116.28 117.69
Budew 114.04 117.69
Venonat 117.15 117.66
Monferno 117.64 117.64
Smoochum 111.56 117.61
Bulbasaur 116.03 117.61
Oddish 116.64 117.61
Chikorita 117.61 117.61
Finneon 117.06 117.55
Buneary 116.17 117.47
Poliwhirl 118.94 117.47
Shelgon 121.75 117.47
Luvdisc 116.50 117.46
Squirtle 117.53 117.45
Pidgeotto 117.86 117.34
Piplup 117.01 117.34
Turtwig 118.21 117.33
Aipom 117.33 117.33
Dugtrio 115.39 117.32
Chatot 117.59 117.28
Ninjask 116.67 117.21
Jigglypuff 116.43 117.16
Swellow 118.16 117.15
Lairon 123.93 117.15
Beautifly 117.15 117.15
Teddiursa 117.15 117.15
Vulpix 114.50 117.09
Luxio 117.05 117.05
Tier 116 Smeargle
Cleffa 113.87 116.99
Mawile 119.65 116.99
Weepinbell 117.47 116.92
Yanma 116.92 116.92
Togepi 116.87 116.87
Growlithe 116.27 116.82
Kingler 122.11 116.82
Hippopotas 120.28 116.80
Beldum 118.54 116.77
Sharpedo 116.66 116.66
Nuzleaf 116.66 116.66
Elekid 114.68 116.64
Magby 114.68 116.64
Haunter 115.58 116.64
Exeggcute 119.92 116.60
Numel 116.03 116.60
Larvitar 116.48 116.48
Mudkip 116.48 116.48
Vibrava 116.48 116.48
Snorunt 116.48 116.48
Deoxys 116.48 116.48
Cubone 120.41 116.48
Psyduck 116.28 116.48
Gible 116.47 116.47
Cherubi 115.58 116.46
Stunky 117.05 116.38
Tangela 122.76 116.35
Murkrow 116.29 116.29
Skorupi 119.32 116.28
Treecko 114.04 116.28
Voltorb 115.76 116.28
Totodile 117.87 116.28
Graveler 122.11 116.27
Smeargle 115.10 116.27
Seadra 120.75 116.27
Mareep 115.70 116.27
Unown 116.14 116.14
Ditto 116.14 116.14
Chingling 116.13 116.13
Goldeen 117.14 116.13
Anorith 116.13 116.13
Houndour 113.76 116.13
Kirlia 113.89 116.13
Torchic 115.01 116.13
Machop 117.77 116.05
Snubbull 117.15 116.03
Surskit 113.70 116.00
Rhyhorn 122.30 116.00
Tier 115 Delibird
Bidoof 115.97 115.97
Bonsly 120.41 115.93
Cloyster 125.27 115.93
Paras 115.90 115.90
Clamperl 118.56 115.90
Omanyte 119.67 115.90
Hoppip 114.27 115.90
Dratini 115.29 115.84
Ekans 114.74 115.81
Lotad 113.40 115.76
Nidoran 117.06 115.70
Staravia 116.82 115.70
Charmander 114.94 115.69
Cyndaquil 114.94 115.69
Trapinch 115.58 115.58
Delibird 115.58 115.58
Makuhita 115.53 115.53
Barboach 115.73 115.52
Staryu 115.51 115.51
Meditite 115.51 115.51
Slakoth 118.16 115.42
Chimchar 115.41 115.41
Azurill 115.36 115.36
Aron 120.76 115.36
Cacnea 115.36 115.36
Croagunk 115.22 115.22
Burmy 115.22 115.22
Cranidos 116.47 115.22
Mankey 114.04 115.22
Koffing 119.69 115.22
Natu 115.22 115.22
Igglybuff 114.36 115.15
Abra 110.02 115.11
Magnemite 116.52 115.11
Nidoran 115.08 115.08
Tier 114 Pikachu
Glameow 115.56 114.97
Onix 123.22 114.84
Sentret 113.55 114.84
Skitty 115.93 114.76
Pineco 120.04 114.76
Feebas 110.39 114.69
Zigzagoon 114.66 114.66
Electrike 114.65 114.65
Slugma 114.65 114.65
Spinarak 114.65 114.65
Poliwag 114.65 114.65
Meowth 114.04 114.65
Zubat 114.04 114.65
Riolu 114.65 114.65
Kricketot 114.58 114.58
Kabuto 118.56 114.45
Buizel 115.10 114.45
Shinx 114.29 114.29
Pikachu 113.02 114.27
Corphish 117.46 114.26
Combee 114.15 114.15
Swinub 115.36 114.11
Bellsprout 114.76 114.11
Sandshrew 119.65 114.11
Shuppet 114.33 114.10
Whismur 114.09 114.09
Pidgey 114.65 114.04
Tier 113 Metapod
Wooper 116.27 113.77
Bagon 117.14 113.76
Wurmple 114.40 113.76
Doduo 114.84 113.67
Remoraid 113.67 113.67
Tyrogue 113.67 113.67
Spearow 113.40 113.58
Metapod 116.99 113.43
Silcoon 116.99 113.43
Cascoon 116.99 113.43
Starly 113.40 113.40
Wingull 113.40 113.40
Taillow 113.40 113.40
Seedot 115.76 113.40
Geodude 120.05 113.40
Gastly 112.63 113.28
Rattata 113.28 113.28
Ralts 111.79 113.12
Kakuna 116.13 113.08
Poochyena 113.67 113.02
Tier 112 Diglett
Diglett 110.22 112.73
Nincada 118.63 112.71
Sunkern 112.63 112.63
Pichu 109.60 112.45
Caterpie 114.40 112.34
Carvanha 112.34 112.34
Tier 111 Weedle
Weedle 113.40 111.98
Shellder 119.28 111.95
Krabby 118.56 111.95
Horsea 116.93 111.95
Tier 110 Magikarp
Magikarp 114.69 110.39
Shedinja 111.85 110.03
---Defense Tiers lists--- Tier 124 Regirock Tier 123 Giratina Tier 122 Cresselia Tier 121 Tangrowth Tier 120 Tyranitar Tier 119 Wobbuffet Tier 118 Dusknoir Tier 117 Salamence w/o Intimidate Tier 116 Raikou Tier 115 Heracross Tier 114 Electivire Tier 113 Weavile Tier 112 Jolteon Tier 111 Roserade Tier 110 Ninjask Tier 109 Alakazam Tier 108 Dugtrio Tier 107 Smeargle Tier 106 Caterpie Tier 105 Ledyba Tier 104 Pikachu Tier 103 Ralts Tier 102 Happiny Tier 101 Smoochum Tier 100 Diglett Tier 99 Abra Code:
Tier 124 Regirock
Regirock 124.63 118.18
Steelix 124.28 114.13
Tier 123 Giratina
Giratina 123.84 123.84
Tier 122 Cresselia
Aggron 122.90 113.10
Rhyperior 122.76 115.32
Groudon 122.56 118.56
Cresselia 122.30 123.04
Arceus 122.30 122.30
Lugia 122.24 123.82
Slaking 122.19 118.49
Tier 121 Tangrowth
Registeel 121.90 121.90
Relicanth 121.87 115.79
Tangrowth 121.51 113.69
Bastiodon 121.48 119.63
Hippowdon 121.48 117.15
Rhydon 121.44 113.19
Cloyster 121.29 109.24
Dialga 121.14 119.49
Tier 120 Tyranitar
Regigigas 120.94 120.94
Forretress 120.90 113.47
Suicune 120.75 120.75
Shuckle 120.65 120.65
Golem 120.56 114.48
Metagross 120.56 117.25
Torkoal 120.53 114.37
Donphan 120.50 114.50
Tyranitar 120.35 119.49
Uxie 120.21 120.21
Skarmory 120.15 113.99
Probopass 120.08 120.40
Slowbro 120.03 117.23
Umbreon 120.03 121.56
Tier 119 Wobbuffet
Gliscor 119.85 115.32
Lairon 119.75 110.88
Lickilicky 119.63 119.63
Miltank 119.62 116.09
Torterra 119.62 117.75
Garchomp 119.52 118.54
Shaymin 119.49 119.49
Manaphy 119.49 119.49
Jirachi 119.49 119.49
Celebi 119.49 119.49
Mew 119.49 119.49
Omastar 119.48 114.37
Leafeon 119.46 113.38
Heatran 119.44 119.44
Wobbuffet 119.33 119.33
Lapras 119.24 120.74
Walrein 119.16 119.16
Tier 118 Dusknoir
Entei 118.95 117.87
Snorlax 118.95 123.51
Ho-oh 118.92 123.82
Mewtwo 118.92 118.92
Palkia 118.86 120.50
Rayquaza 118.86 118.86
Articuno 118.86 120.88
Onix 118.78 107.85
Weezing 118.73 113.99
Sudowoodo 118.72 113.76
Magnezone 118.72 116.53
Sandslash 118.68 112.77
Mesprit 118.62 118.62
Swampert 118.56 118.56
Kyogre 118.56 122.56
Bronzong 118.56 118.56
Feraligatr 118.52 116.91
Dragonite 118.47 118.92
Poliwrath 118.40 117.93
Cradily 118.35 119.22
Tangela 118.34 109.60
Drapion 118.32 114.96
Regice 118.18 124.63
Meganium 118.18 118.18
Mamoswine 118.14 115.73
Dusknoir 118.14 118.14
Blastoise 118.11 118.55
Togekiss 118.07 119.78
Tier 117 Salamence w/o Intimidate
Glaceon 117.94 116.62
Moltres 117.93 117.43
Swalot 117.87 117.87
Kangaskhan 117.84 117.84
Armaldo 117.83 115.87
Tropius 117.81 118.23
Exeggutor 117.75 115.48
Quagsire 117.75 115.48
Rhyhorn 117.73 108.71
Vespiquen 117.66 117.66
Nidoqueen 117.66 117.43
Porygon2 117.59 118.07
Marowak 117.54 114.73
Hariyama 117.54 117.54
Piloswine 117.54 115.14
Azumarill 117.54 117.54
Graveler 117.53 109.67
Kingler 117.53 110.48
Gligar 117.52 113.38
Magcargo 117.50 113.90
Scizor 117.46 115.51
Zapdos 117.43 117.93
Whiscash 117.38 117.11
Kingdra 117.37 117.37
Tauros 117.37 114.74
Empoleon 117.35 118.54
Dusclops 117.32 117.32
Muk 117.29 119.79
Latias 117.25 120.56
Yanmega 117.25 113.67
Slowking 117.23 120.03
Salamence 117.23 117.23
Milotic 117.13 121.20
Gyarados 117.13 119.18
Claydol 117.12 118.33
Kabutops 117.12 113.60
Shelgon 117.08 111.28
Pinsir 117.08 113.99
Tier 116 Raikou
Altaria 116.90 118.26
Arcanine 116.90 116.90
Machamp 116.90 117.43
Dewgong 116.90 118.40
Gastrodon 116.84 118.43
Vaporeon 116.84 120.74
Gorebyss 116.71 113.77
Huntail 116.71 113.77
Metang 116.69 114.73
Pelipper 116.69 113.60
Nosepass 116.68 113.01
Crobat 116.57 116.57
Venusaur 116.56 118.18
Spiritomb 116.55 116.55
Darkrai 116.53 116.53
Wailord 116.49 116.49
Clefable 116.47 118.25
Bellossom 116.40 117.83
Dunsparce 116.40 115.79
Grotle 116.40 114.13
Vileplume 116.40 116.90
Abomasnow 116.35 117.43
Ampharos 116.35 117.93
Politoed 116.35 118.86
Granbull 116.35 114.50
Ursaring 116.35 116.35
Raikou 116.35 118.86
Lickitung 116.35 116.35
Lanturn 116.32 118.52
Skuntank 116.26 115.44
Vigoroth 116.23 113.13
Latios 116.23 119.04
Glalie 116.23 116.23
Flygon 116.23 116.23
Phione 116.23 116.23
Luxray 116.13 116.13
Solrock 116.03 113.76
Golduck 116.03 116.23
Nidoking 116.00 115.75
Tier 115 Heracross
Charizard 115.89 116.61
Typhlosion 115.89 116.61
Pidgeot 115.88 115.30
Aron 115.85 108.37
Seadra 115.82 109.67
Exploud 115.80 115.80
Sealeo 115.77 115.77
Heracross 115.68 117.73
Lopunny 115.56 116.71
Scyther 115.51 115.51
Crawdaunt 115.49 111.87
Shieldon 115.45 112.84
Porygon 115.44 116.02
Staraptor 115.44 112.72
Hypno 115.44 119.78
Drifblim 115.43 117.00
Hitmontop 115.39 116.70
Bonsly 115.39 109.24
Cubone 115.39 110.05
Magneton 115.39 112.76
Octillery 115.32 115.32
Starmie 115.26 115.26
Wormadam 115.26 117.12
Ninetales 115.18 117.68
Hippopotas 115.16 110.24
Slowpoke 115.16 111.38
Croconaw 115.13 113.15
Machoke 115.10 113.83
Wigglytuff 115.10 115.90
Bronzor 115.10 115.10
Ludicolo 115.10 118.18
Blaziken 115.10 115.10
Tier 114 Electivire
Lumineon 114.98 116.05
Rampardos 114.95 113.50
Carnivine 114.94 114.94
Geodude 114.94 105.47
Pineco 114.92 107.42
Infernape 114.92 114.92
Lileep 114.91 115.96
Togetic 114.85 116.71
Corsola 114.85 114.85
Jumpluff 114.74 116.40
Golbat 114.74 115.32
Azelf 114.74 114.74
Exeggcute 114.73 110.08
Breloom 114.73 112.33
Bayleef 114.73 114.73
Parasect 114.73 114.73
Furret 114.71 113.47
Toxicroak 114.69 114.69
Wartortle 114.65 114.65
Qwilfish 114.58 112.03
Phanpy 114.50 111.38
Shiftry 114.50 114.50
Koffing 114.49 108.33
Tentacruel 114.48 119.83
Seaking 114.48 116.23
Grumpig 114.48 119.04
Victreebel 114.48 113.83
Aerodactyl 114.48 115.68
Omanyte 114.45 109.40
Mawile 114.42 110.80
Sandshrew 114.42 106.38
Electivire 114.41 116.40
Magmortar 114.41 117.37
Lucario 114.37 114.37
Froslass 114.37 114.37
Cherrim 114.37 115.31
Castform 114.37 114.37
Camerupt 114.37 114.96
Mightyena 114.37 113.10
Marshtomp 114.37 114.37
Pupitar 114.37 114.37
Ariados 114.37 113.10
Ambipom 114.24 114.24
Medicham 114.18 114.18
Honchkrow 114.04 114.04
Nidorina 114.04 112.41
Skorupi 114.01 109.89
Tier 113 Weavile
Chimecho 113.99 115.13
Rapidash 113.99 115.13
Mantine 113.99 120.15
Porygon 113.99 114.58
Xatu 113.99 113.99
Munchlax 113.97 120.02
Shellder 113.95 103.31
Linoone 113.81 113.81
Hitmonchan 113.80 116.70
Lunatone 113.76 116.03
Bibarel 113.76 113.76
Delcatty 113.76 112.41
Sceptile 113.76 116.03
Girafarig 113.76 113.76
Weavile 113.76 116.03
Purugly 113.72 113.06
Prinplup 113.70 114.60
Noctowl 113.69 119.12
Stantler 113.63 113.98
Gallade 113.61 118.57
Gardevoir 113.61 118.57
Gabite 113.61 112.26
Dustox 113.60 115.75
Dodrio 113.60 112.33
Pachirisu 113.60 115.75
Electrode 113.60 114.73
Gloom 113.60 114.18
Kecleon 113.60 118.33
Rotom 113.60 113.60
Arbok 113.49 114.63
Floatzel 113.47 112.72
Masquerain 113.41 115.75
Poliwhirl 113.38 111.28
Fearow 113.38 112.85
Sableye 113.34 112.15
Seviper 113.33 113.33
Zangoose 113.33 113.33
Banette 113.30 113.07
Nincada 113.12 104.58
Cacturne 113.10 113.10
Manectric 113.10 113.10
Venomoth 113.10 114.96
Wynaut 113.09 113.09
Dragonair 113.06 113.68
Clamperl 113.02 109.40
Kabuto 113.01 107.34
Krabby 113.01 103.31
Tier 112 Jolteon
Beldum 112.99 110.58
Sunflora 112.77 116.40
Wailmer 112.76 112.76
Ivysaur 112.75 114.73
Espeon 112.72 116.62
Absol 112.72 112.72
Flareon 112.72 117.94
Jolteon 112.72 116.62
Primeape 112.72 113.99
Persian 112.72 113.38
Turtwig 112.46 111.22
Flaaffy 112.41 113.10
Grimer 112.38 112.38
Magmar 112.35 115.65
Electabuzz 112.35 115.65
Spinda 112.33 112.33
Mismagius 112.33 117.12
Slakoth 112.33 108.26
Shroomish 112.33 112.33
Swellow 112.33 110.88
Combusken 112.33 112.33
Misdreavus 112.33 115.26
Gengar 112.33 114.18
Kricketune 112.31 112.31
Gulpin 112.14 112.14
Nidorino 112.04 111.71
Volbeat 112.03 114.58
Illumise 112.03 114.58
Houndoom 112.03 115.87
Totodile 112.03 109.76
Seel 112.03 113.99
Tier 111 Roserade
Charmeleon 111.92 112.82
Raticate 111.92 113.19
Quilava 111.92 112.82
Duskull 111.91 111.91
Pidgeotto 111.87 111.12
Shellos 111.81 113.85
Chikorita 111.70 111.70
Spheal 111.66 111.66
Marill 111.66 111.66
Mothim 111.66 111.66
Machop 111.66 109.03
Roserade 111.63 117.12
Raichu 111.63 114.73
Squirtle 111.61 111.50
Monferno 111.55 111.55
Loudred 111.54 111.54
Corphish 111.52 106.79
Clefairy 111.37 113.76
Chatot 111.29 110.83
Weepinbell 111.28 110.47
Mr._Mime 111.24 116.59
Sneasel 111.22 113.77
Aipom 111.22 111.22
Blissey 111.10 129.01
Swablu 111.05 112.90
Bagon 111.05 105.93
Goldeen 111.05 109.60
Tier 110 Ninjask
Farfetch 110.97 111.97
Snover 110.88 112.33
Butterfree 110.88 114.73
Venonat 110.88 111.63
Minun 110.88 115.26
Lombre 110.88 113.60
Beautifly 110.88 110.88
Teddiursa 110.88 110.88
Snubbull 110.88 109.21
Horsea 110.86 103.31
Finneon 110.84 111.53
Nidoran 110.82 108.80
Cascoon 110.80 105.22
Silcoon 110.80 105.22
Metapod 110.80 105.22
Ponyta 110.80 112.15
Piplup 110.79 111.18
Togepi 110.75 110.75
Luxio 110.74 110.74
Stunky 110.69 109.61
Hitmonlee 110.53 116.70
Ledian 110.48 117.13
Staravia 110.48 108.80
Eevee 110.48 112.57
Skiploom 110.48 112.57
Yanma 110.47 110.47
Oddish 110.35 111.70
Magnemite 110.32 108.36
Drifloon 110.25 112.10
Luvdisc 110.17 111.52
Ninjask 110.16 110.97
Drowzee 110.08 115.75
Vibrava 110.05 110.05
Snorunt 110.05 110.05
Deoxys 110.05 110.05
Mudkip 110.05 110.05
Larvitar 110.05 110.05
Chinchou 110.01 112.90
Tier 109 Alakazam
Sharpedo 109.98 109.98
Nuzleaf 109.98 109.98
Gible 109.92 109.92
Baltoy 109.89 111.85
Cranidos 109.76 107.76
Psyduck 109.76 110.05
Growlithe 109.67 110.48
Alakazam 109.67 114.85
Wooper 109.67 105.64
Murkrow 109.61 109.61
Mantyke 109.60 117.05
Chingling 109.60 109.60
Anorith 109.60 109.60
Beedrill 109.60 115.13
Kakuna 109.60 104.77
Unown 109.59 109.59
Ditto 109.59 109.59
Buneary 109.52 111.35
Bulbasaur 109.46 111.70
Paras 109.40 109.40
Grovyle 109.24 112.15
Skitty 109.24 107.42
Roselia 109.24 113.90
Plusle 109.21 114.18
Numel 109.21 110.08
Seedot 109.14 105.47
Voltorb 109.14 109.89
Bidoof 109.13 109.13
Tier 108 Dugtrio
Barboach 108.94 108.54
Meditite 108.89 108.89
Staryu 108.89 108.89
Chansey 108.86 126.55
Cherubi 108.80 110.09
Trapinch 108.80 108.80
Delibird 108.80 108.80
Mareep 108.80 109.67
Haunter 108.80 110.35
Glameow 108.69 107.78
Jynx 108.65 116.62
Dugtrio 108.65 111.37
Chimchar 108.55 108.55
Jigglypuff 108.44 109.74
Dratini 108.43 109.23
Swinub 108.37 106.38
Azurill 108.37 108.37
Cacnea 108.37 108.37
Natu 108.33 108.33
Burmy 108.33 108.33
Spoink 108.26 114.73
Croagunk 108.20 108.20
Makuhita 108.14 108.14
Nidoran 108.02 108.02
Tier 107 Smeargle
Charmander 107.93 109.04
Torchic 107.93 109.60
Cyndaquil 107.93 109.04
Buizel 107.85 106.80
Doduo 107.85 106.03
Smeargle 107.85 109.67
Magikarp 107.79 100.91
Ekans 107.70 109.27
Riolu 107.46 107.46
Electrike 107.46 107.46
Slugma 107.46 107.46
Spinarak 107.46 107.46
Poliwag 107.46 107.46
Pidgey 107.46 106.51
Zigzagoon 107.44 107.44
Elekid 107.42 110.35
Magby 107.42 110.35
Bellsprout 107.42 106.38
Kricketot 107.34 107.34
Vulpix 107.27 111.05
Hoothoot 107.21 111.76
Tier 106 Caterpie
Caterpie 106.98 103.46
Hoppip 106.98 109.40
Wurmple 106.98 105.93
Shuppet 106.89 106.52
Combee 106.87 106.87
Shinx 106.79 106.79
Budew 106.51 111.85
Treecko 106.51 109.89
Tentacool 106.51 114.94
Mankey 106.51 108.33
Meowth 106.51 107.46
Zubat 106.51 107.46
Kirlia 106.32 109.70
Mime 106.24 111.91
Tyrogue 106.03 106.03
Poochyena 106.03 104.98
Remoraid 106.03 106.03
Tier 105 Ledyba
Cleffa 105.97 110.80
Surskit 105.96 109.49
Houndour 105.93 109.60
Whismur 105.91 105.91
Sentret 105.84 107.85
Rattata 105.52 105.52
Weedle 105.47 103.00
Spearow 105.47 105.67
Kadabra 105.47 111.85
Ledyba 105.47 112.99
Lotad 105.47 109.14
Taillow 105.47 105.47
Wingull 105.47 105.47
Starly 105.47 105.47
Igglybuff 105.43 106.92
Tier 104 Pikachu
Pikachu 104.98 106.98
Gastly 104.47 105.52
Sunkern 104.47 104.47
Tier 103 Ralts
Shedinja 103.77 100.90
Carvanha 103.46 103.46
Ralts 103.10 105.31
Tier 102 Happiny
Happiny 102.23 115.79
Tier 101 Smoochum
Smoochum 101.97 111.70
Tier 100 Diglett
Diglett 100.98 105.01
Feebas 100.91 107.79
Tier 99 Abra
Abra 99.98 108.36
Pichu 99.41 104.42
Tier 129 Blissey Tier 128 Blissey Pwns #1 Tier 127 Blissey Pwns #2 Tier 126 Chansey Tier 125 Blissey Pwns #3 Tier 124 Regice Tier 123 Cresselia Tier 122 Kyogre Tier 121 Milotic Tier 120 Palkia Tier 119 Togekiss Tier 118 Mewtwo Tier 117 Heracross Tier 116 Electivire Tier 115 Aerodactyl Tier 114 Lucario Tier 113 Rampardos Tier 112 Staraptor Tier 111 Dugtrio Tier 110 Ninjask Tier 109 Smeargle Tier 108 Delibird Tier 107 Onix Tier 106 Pikachu Tier 105 Ralts Tier 104 Kakuna Tier 103 Caterpie Tier 102 Magikarp sucks #1 Tier 101 Magikarp sucks #2 Tier 100 Magikarp Code:
Tier 129 Blissey
Blissey 111.10 129.01
Tier 128 Blissey Pwns #1
Tier 127 Blissey Pwns #2
Tier 126 Chansey
Chansey 108.86 126.55
Tier 125 Blissey Pwns #3
Tier 124 Regice
Regice 118.18 124.63
Tier 123 Cresselia
Giratina 123.84 123.84
Lugia 122.24 123.82
Ho-oh 118.92 123.82
Snorlax 118.95 123.51
Cresselia 122.30 123.04
Tier 122 Kyogre
Kyogre 118.56 122.56
Arceus 122.30 122.30
Tier 121 Milotic
Registeel 121.90 121.90
Umbreon 120.03 121.56
Milotic 117.13 121.20
Tier 120 Palkia
Regigigas 120.94 120.94
Articuno 118.86 120.88
Suicune 120.75 120.75
Lapras 119.24 120.74
Vaporeon 116.84 120.74
Shuckle 120.65 120.65
Latias 117.25 120.56
Palkia 118.86 120.50
Probopass 120.08 120.40
Uxie 120.21 120.21
Mantine 113.99 120.15
Slowking 117.23 120.03
Munchlax 113.97 120.02
Tier 119 Togekiss
Tentacruel 114.48 119.83
Muk 117.29 119.79
Hypno 115.44 119.78
Togekiss 118.07 119.78
Lickilicky 119.63 119.63
Bastiodon 121.48 119.63
Shaymin 119.49 119.49
Manaphy 119.49 119.49
Dialga 121.14 119.49
Jirachi 119.49 119.49
Celebi 119.49 119.49
Tyranitar 120.35 119.49
Mew 119.49 119.49
Heatran 119.44 119.44
Wobbuffet 119.33 119.33
Cradily 118.35 119.22
Gyarados 117.13 119.18
Walrein 119.16 119.16
Noctowl 113.69 119.12
Latios 116.23 119.04
Grumpig 114.48 119.04
Tier 118 Mewtwo
Dragonite 118.47 118.92
Mewtwo 118.92 118.92
Politoed 116.35 118.86
Raikou 116.35 118.86
Rayquaza 118.86 118.86
Mesprit 118.62 118.62
Gallade 113.61 118.57
Gardevoir 113.61 118.57
Bronzong 118.56 118.56
Swampert 118.56 118.56
Groudon 122.56 118.56
Blastoise 118.11 118.55
Garchomp 119.52 118.54
Empoleon 117.35 118.54
Lanturn 116.32 118.52
Slaking 122.19 118.49
Gastrodon 116.84 118.43
Dewgong 116.90 118.40
Claydol 117.12 118.33
Kecleon 113.60 118.33
Altaria 116.90 118.26
Clefable 116.47 118.25
Tropius 117.81 118.23
Regirock 124.63 118.18
Ludicolo 115.10 118.18
Meganium 118.18 118.18
Venusaur 116.56 118.18
Dusknoir 118.14 118.14
Porygon2 117.59 118.07
Tier 117 Heracross
Flareon 112.72 117.94
Poliwrath 118.40 117.93
Zapdos 117.43 117.93
Ampharos 116.35 117.93
Swalot 117.87 117.87
Entei 118.95 117.87
Kangaskhan 117.84 117.84
Bellossom 116.40 117.83
Torterra 119.62 117.75
Heracross 115.68 117.73
Ninetales 115.18 117.68
Vespiquen 117.66 117.66
Hariyama 117.54 117.54
Azumarill 117.54 117.54
Abomasnow 116.35 117.43
Nidoqueen 117.66 117.43
Moltres 117.93 117.43
Machamp 116.90 117.43
Magmortar 114.41 117.37
Kingdra 117.37 117.37
Dusclops 117.32 117.32
Metagross 120.56 117.25
Salamence 117.23 117.23
Slowbro 120.03 117.23
Hippowdon 121.48 117.15
Ledian 110.48 117.13
Roserade 111.63 117.12
Wormadam 115.26 117.12
Mismagius 112.33 117.12
Whiscash 117.38 117.11
Mantyke 109.60 117.05
Drifblim 115.43 117.00
Tier 116 Electivire
Feraligatr 118.52 116.91
Vileplume 116.40 116.90
Arcanine 116.90 116.90
Lopunny 115.56 116.71
Togetic 114.85 116.71
Hitmontop 115.39 116.70
Hitmonlee 110.53 116.70
Hitmonchan 113.80 116.70
Espeon 112.72 116.62
Jolteon 112.72 116.62
Jynx 108.65 116.62
Glaceon 117.94 116.62
Typhlosion 115.89 116.61
Charizard 115.89 116.61
Mr._Mime 111.24 116.59
Crobat 116.57 116.57
Spiritomb 116.55 116.55
Magnezone 118.72 116.53
Darkrai 116.53 116.53
Wailord 116.49 116.49
Electivire 114.41 116.40
Jumpluff 114.74 116.40
Sunflora 112.77 116.40
Lickitung 116.35 116.35
Ursaring 116.35 116.35
Glalie 116.23 116.23
Flygon 116.23 116.23
Seaking 114.48 116.23
Phione 116.23 116.23
Golduck 116.03 116.23
Luxray 116.13 116.13
Miltank 119.62 116.09
Lumineon 114.98 116.05
Lunatone 113.76 116.03
Sceptile 113.76 116.03
Weavile 113.76 116.03
Porygon 115.44 116.02
Tier 115 Aerodactyl
Lileep 114.91 115.96
Wigglytuff 115.10 115.90
Armaldo 117.83 115.87
Houndoom 112.03 115.87
Exploud 115.80 115.80
Happiny 102.23 115.79
Relicanth 121.87 115.79
Dunsparce 116.40 115.79
Sealeo 115.77 115.77
Nidoking 116.00 115.75
Pachirisu 113.60 115.75
Drowzee 110.08 115.75
Masquerain 113.41 115.75
Dustox 113.60 115.75
Mamoswine 118.14 115.73
Aerodactyl 114.48 115.68
Magmar 112.35 115.65
Electabuzz 112.35 115.65
Scizor 117.46 115.51
Scyther 115.51 115.51
Quagsire 117.75 115.48
Exeggutor 117.75 115.48
Skuntank 116.26 115.44
Gliscor 119.85 115.32
Rhyperior 122.76 115.32
Octillery 115.32 115.32
Golbat 114.74 115.32
Cherrim 114.37 115.31
Pidgeot 115.88 115.30
Starmie 115.26 115.26
Minun 110.88 115.26
Misdreavus 112.33 115.26
Piloswine 117.54 115.14
Rapidash 113.99 115.13
Chimecho 113.99 115.13
Beedrill 109.60 115.13
Bronzor 115.10 115.10
Blaziken 115.10 115.10
Tier 114 Lucario
Drapion 118.32 114.96
Camerupt 114.37 114.96
Venomoth 113.10 114.96
Carnivine 114.94 114.94
Tentacool 106.51 114.94
Infernape 114.92 114.92
Alakazam 109.67 114.85
Corsola 114.85 114.85
Azelf 114.74 114.74
Tauros 117.37 114.74
Metang 116.69 114.73
Spoink 108.26 114.73
Bayleef 114.73 114.73
Ivysaur 112.75 114.73
Butterfree 110.88 114.73
Raichu 111.63 114.73
Parasect 114.73 114.73
Marowak 117.54 114.73
Electrode 113.60 114.73
Toxicroak 114.69 114.69
Wartortle 114.65 114.65
Arbok 113.49 114.63
Prinplup 113.70 114.60
Porygon 113.99 114.58
Illumise 112.03 114.58
Volbeat 112.03 114.58
Shiftry 114.50 114.50
Donphan 120.50 114.50
Granbull 116.35 114.50
Golem 120.56 114.48
Marshtomp 114.37 114.37
Pupitar 114.37 114.37
Omastar 119.48 114.37
Torkoal 120.53 114.37
Castform 114.37 114.37
Lucario 114.37 114.37
Froslass 114.37 114.37
Ambipom 114.24 114.24
Gloom 113.60 114.18
Plusle 109.21 114.18
Medicham 114.18 114.18
Gengar 112.33 114.18
Grotle 116.40 114.13
Steelix 124.28 114.13
Honchkrow 114.04 114.04
Tier 113 Rampardos
Primeape 112.72 113.99
Seel 112.03 113.99
Weezing 118.73 113.99
Skarmory 120.15 113.99
Pinsir 117.08 113.99
Xatu 113.99 113.99
Stantler 113.63 113.98
Roselia 109.24 113.90
Magcargo 117.50 113.90
Shellos 111.81 113.85
Machoke 115.10 113.83
Victreebel 114.48 113.83
Linoone 113.81 113.81
Sneasel 111.22 113.77
Gorebyss 116.71 113.77
Huntail 116.71 113.77
Bibarel 113.76 113.76
Sudowoodo 118.72 113.76
Girafarig 113.76 113.76
Solrock 116.03 113.76
Clefairy 111.37 113.76
Tangrowth 121.51 113.69
Dragonair 113.06 113.68
Yanmega 117.25 113.67
Pelipper 116.69 113.60
Lombre 110.88 113.60
Kabutops 117.12 113.60
Rotom 113.60 113.60
Rampardos 114.95 113.50
Forretress 120.90 113.47
Furret 114.71 113.47
Gligar 117.52 113.38
Leafeon 119.46 113.38
Persian 112.72 113.38
Seviper 113.33 113.33
Zangoose 113.33 113.33
Rhydon 121.44 113.19
Raticate 111.92 113.19
Croconaw 115.13 113.15
Vigoroth 116.23 113.13
Cacturne 113.10 113.10
Manectric 113.10 113.10
Aggron 122.90 113.10
Mightyena 114.37 113.10
Flaaffy 112.41 113.10
Ariados 114.37 113.10
Wynaut 113.09 113.09
Banette 113.30 113.07
Purugly 113.72 113.06
Nosepass 116.68 113.01
Tier 112 Staraptor
Ledyba 105.47 112.99
Swablu 111.05 112.90
Chinchou 110.01 112.90
Fearow 113.38 112.85
Shieldon 115.45 112.84
Quilava 111.92 112.82
Charmeleon 111.92 112.82
Sandslash 118.68 112.77
Magneton 115.39 112.76
Wailmer 112.76 112.76
Floatzel 113.47 112.72
Staraptor 115.44 112.72
Absol 112.72 112.72
Eevee 110.48 112.57
Skiploom 110.48 112.57
Nidorina 114.04 112.41
Delcatty 113.76 112.41
Grimer 112.38 112.38
Snover 110.88 112.33
Spinda 112.33 112.33
Breloom 114.73 112.33
Shroomish 112.33 112.33
Combusken 112.33 112.33
Dodrio 113.60 112.33
Kricketune 112.31 112.31
Gabite 113.61 112.26
Sableye 113.34 112.15
Grovyle 109.24 112.15
Ponyta 110.80 112.15
Gulpin 112.14 112.14
Drifloon 110.25 112.10
Qwilfish 114.58 112.03
Tier 111 Dugtrio
Farfetch 110.97 111.97
Mime 106.24 111.91
Duskull 111.91 111.91
Crawdaunt 115.49 111.87
Baltoy 109.89 111.85
Budew 106.51 111.85
Kadabra 105.47 111.85
Hoothoot 107.21 111.76
Nidorino 112.04 111.71
Smoochum 101.97 111.70
Chikorita 111.70 111.70
Oddish 110.35 111.70
Bulbasaur 109.46 111.70
Spheal 111.66 111.66
Marill 111.66 111.66
Mothim 111.66 111.66
Venonat 110.88 111.63
Monferno 111.55 111.55
Loudred 111.54 111.54
Finneon 110.84 111.53
Luvdisc 110.17 111.52
Squirtle 111.61 111.50
Phanpy 114.50 111.38
Slowpoke 115.16 111.38
Dugtrio 108.65 111.37
Buneary 109.52 111.35
Shelgon 117.08 111.28
Poliwhirl 113.38 111.28
Aipom 111.22 111.22
Turtwig 112.46 111.22
Piplup 110.79 111.18
Pidgeotto 111.87 111.12
Vulpix 107.27 111.05
Tier 110 Ninjask
Ninjask 110.16 110.97
Lairon 119.75 110.88
Teddiursa 110.88 110.88
Swellow 112.33 110.88
Beautifly 110.88 110.88
Chatot 111.29 110.83
Mawile 114.42 110.80
Cleffa 105.97 110.80
Togepi 110.75 110.75
Luxio 110.74 110.74
Beldum 112.99 110.58
Growlithe 109.67 110.48
Kingler 117.53 110.48
Weepinbell 111.28 110.47
Yanma 110.47 110.47
Magby 107.42 110.35
Elekid 107.42 110.35
Haunter 108.80 110.35
Hippopotas 115.16 110.24
Cherubi 108.80 110.09
Exeggcute 114.73 110.08
Numel 109.21 110.08
Deoxys 110.05 110.05
Snorunt 110.05 110.05
Vibrava 110.05 110.05
Mudkip 110.05 110.05
Larvitar 110.05 110.05
Cubone 115.39 110.05
Psyduck 109.76 110.05
Tier 109 Smeargle
Sharpedo 109.98 109.98
Nuzleaf 109.98 109.98
Gible 109.92 109.92
Skorupi 114.01 109.89
Voltorb 109.14 109.89
Treecko 106.51 109.89
Totodile 112.03 109.76
Jigglypuff 108.44 109.74
Kirlia 106.32 109.70
Graveler 117.53 109.67
Smeargle 107.85 109.67
Seadra 115.82 109.67
Mareep 108.80 109.67
Stunky 110.69 109.61
Murkrow 109.61 109.61
Houndour 105.93 109.60
Torchic 107.93 109.60
Goldeen 111.05 109.60
Tangela 118.34 109.60
Anorith 109.60 109.60
Chingling 109.60 109.60
Unown 109.59 109.59
Ditto 109.59 109.59
Surskit 105.96 109.49
Hoppip 106.98 109.40
Paras 109.40 109.40
Omanyte 114.45 109.40
Clamperl 113.02 109.40
Ekans 107.70 109.27
Bonsly 115.39 109.24
Cloyster 121.29 109.24
Dratini 108.43 109.23
Snubbull 110.88 109.21
Lotad 105.47 109.14
Bidoof 109.13 109.13
Cyndaquil 107.93 109.04
Charmander 107.93 109.04
Machop 111.66 109.03
Tier 108 Delibird
Meditite 108.89 108.89
Staryu 108.89 108.89
Staravia 110.48 108.80
Trapinch 108.80 108.80
Delibird 108.80 108.80
Nidoran 110.82 108.80
Rhyhorn 117.73 108.71
Chimchar 108.55 108.55
Barboach 108.94 108.54
Azurill 108.37 108.37
Aron 115.85 108.37
Cacnea 108.37 108.37
Magnemite 110.32 108.36
Abra 99.98 108.36
Koffing 114.49 108.33
Natu 108.33 108.33
Burmy 108.33 108.33
Mankey 106.51 108.33
Slakoth 112.33 108.26
Croagunk 108.20 108.20
Makuhita 108.14 108.14
Nidoran 108.02 108.02
Tier 107 Onix
Onix 118.78 107.85
Sentret 105.84 107.85
Feebas 100.91 107.79
Glameow 108.69 107.78
Cranidos 109.76 107.76
Riolu 107.46 107.46
Electrike 107.46 107.46
Slugma 107.46 107.46
Spinarak 107.46 107.46
Poliwag 107.46 107.46
Meowth 106.51 107.46
Zubat 106.51 107.46
Zigzagoon 107.44 107.44
Pineco 114.92 107.42
Skitty 109.24 107.42
Kabuto 113.01 107.34
Kricketot 107.34 107.34
Tier 106 Pikachu
Pikachu 104.98 106.98
Igglybuff 105.43 106.92
Combee 106.87 106.87
Buizel 107.85 106.80
Corphish 111.52 106.79
Shinx 106.79 106.79
Shuppet 106.89 106.52
Pidgey 107.46 106.51
Sandshrew 114.42 106.38
Bellsprout 107.42 106.38
Swinub 108.37 106.38
Doduo 107.85 106.03
Remoraid 106.03 106.03
Tyrogue 106.03 106.03
Tier 105 Ralts
Bagon 111.05 105.93
Wurmple 106.98 105.93
Whismur 105.91 105.91
Spearow 105.47 105.67
Wooper 109.67 105.64
Rattata 105.52 105.52
Gastly 104.47 105.52
Starly 105.47 105.47
Geodude 114.94 105.47
Seedot 109.14 105.47
Taillow 105.47 105.47
Wingull 105.47 105.47
Ralts 103.10 105.31
Cascoon 110.80 105.22
Silcoon 110.80 105.22
Metapod 110.80 105.22
Diglett 100.98 105.01
Tier 104 Kakuna
Poochyena 106.03 104.98
Kakuna 109.60 104.77
Nincada 113.12 104.58
Sunkern 104.47 104.47
Pichu 99.41 104.42
Tier 103 Caterpie
Caterpie 106.98 103.46
Carvanha 103.46 103.46
Shellder 113.95 103.31
Krabby 113.01 103.31
Horsea 110.86 103.31
Weedle 105.47 103.00
Tier 102 Magikarp sucks #1
Tier 101 Magikarp sucks #2
Tier 100 Magikarp
Magikarp 107.79 100.91
Shedinja 103.77 100.90
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Well... okay then. Notes for the less mathematically inclined:
The tier lists are all on the same scale. So you can combine the tier lists as you wish. For example, Regice with 255/255 evs in HP and Sp.D has a lower statistic than Blissey with 0 EVs in HP and Defense. Erm... Nintendo... wtf with Blissey being so good? Okay, that aside >.> Overall, the tier list and order remains nearly constant. From a "wall" perspective, the common walls like Blissey, Cresselia and so forth don't take too much of a hit as their EVs are allocated elsewhere. This is especially noting the fact that even with 0 EVs, Blissey is the best Special Wall sitting in tier 129 with a score of 129.01... while Regice with 255/255 HP/SpD spread sits at 128.04. Amazing, and it shows again why the obvious choice for Blissey is to put _everything_ into Defense EVs. Another note for Blissey is how much (Physical) defense EVs help it out. 120.01 is its 255/255 score, while 111.10 is its 0/0 score. A tier change of ~9 is massive, talking the difference between Dugtrio (108.65) and Salamence (117.23) here. Another note is that 120.01 (255/255 Blissey) falls under the same tier as 0/0 Tyranitar (120.35). This is perhaps the best test we can set-up for how accurate this tier list really is. I suggest using Rock Slide/Edge on the two pokemon with the respective EV spreads. Rock, Electric, and Dragon hit T-Tar and Chansey for neutral, so comparing the % lost between the two pokemon will give a very reliable metric of this system. There is a .24 tier difference between them, and that should only be a 2% or 3% difference in % lost.... Actually, let me see Marriland's damage calculator and see what it has to say about that. Theory Test: Max Attack EV T-Tar with Stone Edge vs 0/0 (HP/Defense) T-Tar and 255/255 Blissey. Attacker Stats: 367 Attack 100 Base Power (Stone Edge) x STAB Defender Stats: 0/0 T-Tar 341 HP 256 Defense "That attack will do between 156 and 184 damage!" Or about: 45% to 54% Defender Stats: 252/252 Bold Blissey 714 HP 130 Defense "That attack will do between 305 and 359 damage!" 42% to 50% EDIT: Bold 0/0 T-Tar for verification (current 0/0 assumes + nature) 341 HP 281 Defense "That attack will do between 142 and 168 damage!" 41.6% to 49.2% Erm... holy ****ing ****. First off, this contradicts the tier list somewhat... but still shows that we are "in the ballpark". I did check-over my code after doing this however, and I found a bug (I forgot to disable the nature of the pokemon). So the 2nd tier lists are going to be edited. Second, that is still pretty darn close to the real value. Finally... 255/255 Blissey has about the same physical defenses than ****ing 0/0 Tyranitar and comes without the 4x weak to fighting. Goes to show that those defense points _really_ help Blissey out a lot... I mean... a whole ****ing lot. In-Game testers, I ask for you to verify this experiment please? Or if Marriland's calculator is good enough, just tell me. EDIT: Okay, edited in the data for Bold T-Tar, which is what the current list gives, and the tier list certainly shows the picture very clearly. Very little damage difference for two pokemon inside the same tier. Granted, Bold 0/0 T-Tar and 255/255 Blissey are only .24 tiers apart. And finally, apologies for my results being so "dirty", I'm doing this research as I post these messages. So thats that. EDIT: Okay, a note on the 0/0 charts in comparison with the earlier charts. The "Sweepers" are still all within one tier of each other. However, the change in stats forced a split, as Starmie scored 115.26 while Azelf (the lowest) scored a 14.6. They still score similarly, but the lines are now drawn differently, now smack dab between common sweepers splitting them up. Last edited by Dragontamer; Jul 11th, 2007 at 11:25:46 PM. |
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Jul 11th, 2007, 11:51:40 PM
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Dragontamer, 0/0 Def TTar isn't threatening because it takes hits, its threatening because its probably CB or DD and will beat your rear into the earth.
Blissey might be a fat POS, but she can't threaten with anything worse than Seismic Toss. (Or CM specials if you let her set up.) |
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Jul 12th, 2007, 12:46:42 AM
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I'm also even _more_ surprised that my tiers chart thing is actually working, not just working, but working very well. :-) (As shown with the Blissey vs T-Tar example) |
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Jul 12th, 2007, 5:19:07 AM
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I can also make a chart of which types are the most powerful. If Fighting and Ground are deemed more physically powerful than, say, Water, we can take that into account in factoring in weakness and resistance. When I say "deemed more physically powerful", I'm saying mathematically, not subjectively.
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Jul 12th, 2007, 8:11:08 AM
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I think Fighting and Ground would take the most preference physically because both of them beat down on the pokemon with the highest defense, Rock and Steel types. Rock might come in second because of its utility in dealing with flyers that resist both Fighting and Ground, and the fact it lays a beatdown on Fire, Flying, Bug, and Ice types. Electric is probably at the bottom of the list. Volt Tackle is for all competitive purposes useless, Thunderpunch only beats Stone Edge vs Water types [bar Water/Grounds, Ludicolo, and Lanturn], Fighting types, and Steel types other than Steelix, Heatran, Wormadam-S, Forretress, and Scizor. Special is going to be a pain. Aura Pulse and Focus Blast might score SE hits on some of the best special walls, but the former is rare and the latter has shaky accuracy. Dragon is a one-note that is only useful to Dragons. Ice doesn't do well against the best special walls, but it does destroy a load of popular metagame threats. The bottom of the list is no contest. Rock's two special moves are Ancientpower and Power Gem. Power Gem is a rare and a pathetic 70 BP, and the only things that would even consider Ancientpower are probably Omastar, Tangrowth, Articuno, Moltres, Yanmega, Camerupt, and Exeggutor. |
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Jul 12th, 2007, 8:58:09 AM
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np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock
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Yeah, and that can be measured.
The problem would be that this depends on which metagame you're playing. If you're playing ubers, certain types are more powerful than others. In OU, different types are more powerful, and so is in UU and NU.
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Jul 12th, 2007, 9:39:18 AM
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Yay! The new tier list thing is readable. All that's left is for you to make two more: 0/0 Def with a neutral nature and 0/0 SDef with a neutral nature.
This list should definitely be stickied, along with the process of finding out the tiers, if simply so that you don't have to do every EV spread imaginable.
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Jul 12th, 2007, 10:09:56 AM
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Which is why I prefer not mixing into this :-p
I don't think using attacks that are common in the current metagame will be very useful in the long run, as it is apt to run out of date. Furthermore, there is no way to perform a sanity check on the list. All sanity checks will be biased by our own battling style. Sure, you can make a mathematical equation about it, but equations are biased by default. Bias isn't bad by default as long as you know it is biased(indeed, my 255/255 lists biased certain pokemon which is one reason why I made a 0/0 list to "Balance out the bais"), but the lists are already massive. What I'm thinking is: Adding weaknesses/resistances is something the human should do, not a computer. I can't think of any equation that I agree with, let alone one that all the experts here would agree too as well. |
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