Defense and Special Defense Tiers - Page 2

codemonkey85 · Aug 27th, 2007, 1:11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Dragontamer

Shoddybattle news :-)

You can now calculate the defense tier of your pokemon using the new ShoddyBattle plugin system!

Wow, talk about the best of both worlds.

I don't post here that often, and I'm not very good competitively, but I just wanted to say great job on trying something new and finding a way to implement it, even if it isn't widely used.

Dragontamer · Aug 27th, 2007, 1:22:35 AM

Edit: The plugin works now!

StabWound · Aug 27th, 2007, 6:20:05 AM

Good post, Very helpful.

SHUCKLE MAN · Aug 27th, 2007, 10:13:01 AM

You are so awesome. Thank you. :)

**Mario With Lasers** · Sep 2nd, 2007, 11:25:48 PM

Heh, finally I understood your tiers (actually, I never stopped to read them fully), but I noticed something: There's only one Deoxys (I think it's the Normal). Where are the Defense, Attack and Speed forms?

Dragontamer · Sep 2nd, 2007, 11:31:27 PM

Time for me to add those guys by hand...

Deoxys Attack -- 102.98 102.98 112.69 112.69
Deoxys Defense -- 120.89 120.89 124.31 124.31
Deoxys Speed -- 113.94 113.94 120.03 120.03

LOLz at Deoxys attack. 252/252 Bold Deoxys attack is weaker than 0/0 Weavile

darkie · Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:25:37 AM

So... does the plug-in work yet?

Dragontamer · Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:27:03 AM

No... I think Colin wants a more secure plug in-architecture... Its really not in my hands anymore. Hopefully he's still working on it.

***Cathy***** · Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:50:12 AM

I got around to implementing your proposed solution and it seems that it actually is completely secure - the plugins have absolutely no permissions (they are running like applets and in fact it even says "Java Applet" in their windows...). So the solution is excellent. It will be a bit inconvenient to use plugins until they are stored across usages of the team builder but they are still usable as of now. (Start the program until you see it download the new client.)

dragontamer's plugin works for me now (the source for this particular plugin is actually in the ShoddyBattleClient tree; it may be in the jar itself as well, but I'm not sure).

Dragontamer · Sep 3rd, 2007, 1:19:42 AM

Thanks. It seems to work for me too. If anyone has problems, post them here and I'll try to get it resolved.

MoBoRoS · Oct 27th, 2007, 11:43:48 AM

Congadulations Dragontamer... u r a pokemon professor.. really..
u made my day with those calculations.
thnx a lot. I hope more info comes out.

futuresuperstar · Oct 31st, 2007, 4:33:28 PM

Why is it that when I calculate a defense tier for, say, 236 HP / 252 Defense Impish Hippowdon, it gives me a Defense Tier of 125.26, while the 252 / 252 Maximum Defense Tier in the chart is 124.38?

CardsOfTheHeart · Oct 31st, 2007, 4:51:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat futuresuperstar

Why is it that when I calculate a defense tier for, say, 236 HP / 252 Defense Impish Hippowdon, it gives me a Defense Tier of 125.26, while the 252 / 252 Maximum Defense Tier in the chart is 124.38?

That's right. The 252 / 252 Maximum Defense Tier in the chart doesn't factor Natures. DT says that right in front of the chart. If a positive Nature was factored in, that 124.38 would become 125.36--but I'm sure you're aware of that.

futuresuperstar · Oct 31st, 2007, 4:58:43 PM

Ah, yes, that is correct. Cannot believe that I forgot about that.

Aug 27th, 2007, 1:22:35 AM	#27
Dragontamer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762	Edit: The plugin works now! __________________ Defense Tiers and Attack Tiers -- SkarmCents and BlissCents --- M i n o r Works --- Enlarged Avatar Last edited by Dragontamer; Sep 21st, 2007 at 11:22:27 AM.

Aug 27th, 2007, 6:20:05 AM	#28
StabWound Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 12	Good post, Very helpful. __________________

Aug 27th, 2007, 10:13:01 AM	#29
SHUCKLE MAN Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,084	You are so awesome. Thank you. :) __________________ Shedinja fainted!

Sep 2nd, 2007, 11:31:27 PM	#31
Dragontamer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762	Time for me to add those guys by hand... Deoxys Attack -- 102.98 102.98 112.69 112.69 Deoxys Defense -- 120.89 120.89 124.31 124.31 Deoxys Speed -- 113.94 113.94 120.03 120.03 LOLz at Deoxys attack. 252/252 Bold Deoxys attack is weaker than 0/0 Weavile __________________ Defense Tiers and Attack Tiers -- SkarmCents and BlissCents --- M i n o r Works --- Enlarged Avatar Last edited by Dragontamer; Sep 2nd, 2007 at 11:41:24 PM.

Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:25:37 AM	#32
darkie coolcoolcool Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,356 Plano, TX	So... does the plug-in work yet? __________________

Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:27:03 AM	#33
Dragontamer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762	No... I think Colin wants a more secure plug in-architecture... Its really not in my hands anymore. Hopefully he's still working on it. __________________ Defense Tiers and Attack Tiers -- SkarmCents and BlissCents --- M i n o r Works --- Enlarged Avatar

Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:50:12 AM	#34
*Cathy* Administrator** Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,051	I got around to implementing your proposed solution and it seems that it actually is completely secure - the plugins have absolutely no permissions (they are running like applets and in fact it even says "Java Applet" in their windows...). So the solution is excellent. It will be a bit inconvenient to use plugins until they are stored across usages of the team builder but they are still usable as of now. (Start the program until you see it download the new client.) dragontamer's plugin works for me now (the source for this particular plugin is actually in the ShoddyBattleClient tree; it may be in the jar itself as well, but I'm not sure). Last edited by Cathy; Sep 3rd, 2007 at 12:53:51 AM.

Sep 3rd, 2007, 1:19:42 AM	#35
Dragontamer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,762	Thanks. It seems to work for me too. If anyone has problems, post them here and I'll try to get it resolved. __________________ Defense Tiers and Attack Tiers -- SkarmCents and BlissCents --- M i n o r Works --- Enlarged Avatar

Oct 27th, 2007, 11:43:48 AM	#36
MoBoRoS Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1	Congadulations Dragontamer... u r a pokemon professor.. really.. u made my day with those calculations. thnx a lot. I hope more info comes out.

Oct 31st, 2007, 4:33:28 PM	#37
futuresuperstar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 553 Los Angeles, CA	Why is it that when I calculate a defense tier for, say, 236 HP / 252 Defense Impish Hippowdon, it gives me a Defense Tier of 125.26, while the 252 / 252 Maximum Defense Tier in the chart is 124.38? __________________ Women came and went, but Metal Gear was forever.

Oct 31st, 2007, 4:58:43 PM	#39
futuresuperstar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 553 Los Angeles, CA	Ah, yes, that is correct. Cannot believe that I forgot about that. __________________ Women came and went, but Metal Gear was forever.