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BlissCents and SkarmCents Beta v0.1: Another set of "defense tiers"
Quick Notes:
Standard Skarm: Bold, 252 HP, 252 Defense Standard Bliss: Bold, 252 HP, 252 Defense List template is: Pokemon's Name: SkarmCents with 0 EVs, BlisseyCents with 0 EVs, SkarmCents with 252/252 spread (neutral nature), BlissCents with 252/252 spread (neutral nature). This list ignores spikes, stealth rock, weaknesses, resistances, leftovers, and all defensive attacks (softboiled, amnesia, calm mind, etc. etc.) Introduction: Defense tiers, as originally concieved, were a mathematical transformation to attempt to standardize every pokemon onto a single scale. This way, we could quickly recognize who or what was a better wall compared to other pokemon. Why am I creating another set? Because some people could not make much sense of the last one. Perhaps it was the logrithmic scale or maybe because it was back when I was essentially a n00b and no one cared. Anyway, as much as I love my defense tiers, I'm willing to take another stab at some sort of replacement for them and see whether or not the general community will accept them this time. This time: BlisseyCents and SkarmCents. This system was essentially concieved in a day, so expect a few fluctuations in the comming weeks / days. If no bugs are found, I'll promote this to 1.0 and post a non-Beta topic. The definition of BlisseyCents: A pokemon's Sp. Def tier is measured in Blissey's HP and Sp. Def (combined). Taking the "standard blissey" (252 HP 0 Sp. Def, Bold), you see how this pokemon with 0 EVs, and 252 EVs does in terms of blissey. AGAIN, this combines Sp. Def with HP. For example, 252/252 Cresselia has .73 BlisseyCents, meaning that in terms of Sp. Def, it is like having a Blissey with 73% of its HP. For example, SkarmCents is the pokemon's Defense tier in terms of the standard Skarm's physical defense. Standard Skarm is Impish 252 HP 252 Defense. For example, Regirock is 1.307 Skarm-Cents with 252 HP/252 Defense. Thus, effectivly a 252/252 Regirock is like having a Skarm with 130.7% of its HP. (meaning it has more Def than Skarm). Why this over Defense Tiers? Frankly speaking, I like Defense Tiers better. Logrithmic scale == sexy quick calculations. However, I have a feeling that the general community will accept BlissCents and SkarmCents better than defense tiers, so I might as well post and see if yall like em. Instead of a somewhat arbitrary number assigned to each pokemon, the number means literally how good the pokemon is at walling compared to Blissey / Skarmory. What about AttackTiers? One advantage of defense tiers right now is that attack tiers are easy to calculate. I'm not sure if it will be easy in terms of SkarmCents and BlisseyCents however... but I'll give it a good whack for the next few days. I'll post if I come up with anything (or if you have ideas and understand the attack / defense tier system well, please post your idea on how to do attack tiers in terms of BlissCents and SkarmCents). List ordered by SkarmCents: (0/0, 0/0, 255/255, 255/255) Def, Sp. Def, Def, Sp. Def Code:
Regirock 0.945 0.325 1.307 0.498 Steelix 0.913 0.221 1.271 0.371 Giratina 0.876 0.557 1.23 0.782 Aggron 0.801 0.201 1.136 0.345 Rhyperior 0.79 0.248 1.121 0.415 Groudon 0.776 0.337 1.102 0.516 Slaking 0.749 0.335 1.085 0.528 Cresselia 0.757 0.516 1.083 0.73 Arceus 0.757 0.481 1.083 0.689 Lugia 0.752 0.556 1.075 0.775 Registeel 0.728 0.463 1.045 0.665 Relicanth 0.726 0.259 1.044 0.423 Tangrowth 0.702 0.212 1.015 0.368 Bastiodon 0.699 0.373 1.014 0.556 Hippowdon 0.699 0.294 1.013 0.467 Rhydon 0.697 0.202 1.01 0.358 Cloyster 0.687 0.139 1.004 0.263 Dialga 0.677 0.368 0.986 0.553 Shuckle 0.646 0.411 0.982 0.624 Regigigas 0.665 0.423 0.973 0.619 Forretress 0.662 0.208 0.966 0.355 Suicune 0.653 0.415 0.957 0.608 Metagross 0.641 0.298 0.94 0.465 Golem 0.641 0.229 0.94 0.382 Torkoal 0.639 0.226 0.938 0.376 Donphan 0.638 0.229 0.937 0.385 Tyranitar 0.628 0.368 0.928 0.553 Deoxys Defense 0.617 0.393 0.917 0.583 Uxie 0.62 0.394 0.915 0.582 Skarmory 0.616 0.218 0.911 0.365 <--------- Skarm Probopass 0.612 0.401 0.907 0.592 Umbreon 0.61 0.448 0.905 0.647 Slowbro 0.61 0.297 0.905 0.467 Wobbuffet 0.57 0.362 0.904 0.575 Gliscor 0.599 0.248 0.889 0.403 Lairon 0.594 0.162 0.884 0.295 Lickilicky 0.587 0.373 0.882 0.561 Torterra 0.586 0.312 0.876 0.485 Miltank 0.586 0.267 0.876 0.431 Garchomp 0.581 0.337 0.874 0.517 Celebi 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Jirachi 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Manaphy 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Mew 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Shaymin 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Lapras 0.566 0.415 0.865 0.614 Omastar 0.578 0.226 0.864 0.376 Heatran 0.577 0.367 0.864 0.549 Snorlax 0.551 0.54 0.864 0.765 Leafeon 0.577 0.206 0.863 0.35 Walrein 0.561 0.357 0.851 0.541 Entei 0.55 0.316 0.84 0.495 Ho-oh 0.549 0.556 0.835 0.775 Mewtwo 0.549 0.349 0.835 0.531 Rayquaza 0.546 0.347 0.831 0.529 Articuno 0.545 0.42 0.826 0.613 Palkia 0.545 0.406 0.826 0.596 Onix 0.541 0.122 0.826 0.237 Weezing 0.538 0.218 0.815 0.365 Magnezone 0.538 0.278 0.815 0.439 Sudowoodo 0.538 0.213 0.815 0.361 Sandslash 0.536 0.194 0.813 0.339 Kyogre 0.53 0.493 0.811 0.701 Swampert 0.53 0.337 0.811 0.516 Mesprit 0.533 0.339 0.81 0.515 Bronzong 0.53 0.337 0.805 0.512 Feraligatr 0.528 0.288 0.805 0.454 Dragonite 0.525 0.349 0.803 0.528 Poliwrath 0.522 0.317 0.799 0.49 Cradily 0.518 0.358 0.793 0.539 Tangela 0.519 0.144 0.791 0.274 Mamoswine 0.509 0.258 0.79 0.425 Drapion 0.518 0.239 0.79 0.392 Regice 0.511 0.601 0.783 0.831 Meganium 0.511 0.325 0.783 0.498 Dusknoir 0.509 0.324 0.781 0.497 Blastoise 0.508 0.337 0.779 0.512 Togekiss 0.506 0.379 0.778 0.563 Hariyama 0.482 0.306 0.775 0.493 Kangaskhan 0.495 0.315 0.772 0.491 Moltres 0.499 0.303 0.771 0.473 Swalot 0.496 0.315 0.771 0.49 Glaceon 0.499 0.28 0.767 0.442 Tropius 0.493 0.326 0.767 0.502 Exeggutor 0.491 0.251 0.763 0.413 Quagsire 0.491 0.251 0.763 0.413 Armaldo 0.494 0.261 0.762 0.42 Rhyhorn 0.49 0.132 0.757 0.265 Nidoqueen 0.485 0.303 0.754 0.473 Azumarill 0.481 0.306 0.753 0.479 Piloswine 0.481 0.243 0.753 0.405 Porygon2 0.483 0.322 0.751 0.495 Vespiquen 0.485 0.309 0.75 0.477 Whiscash 0.473 0.294 0.748 0.468 Marowak 0.481 0.234 0.744 0.384 Kingler 0.481 0.156 0.744 0.286 Graveler 0.481 0.145 0.744 0.272 Zapdos 0.476 0.317 0.743 0.49 Gligar 0.48 0.206 0.743 0.35 Muk 0.47 0.379 0.742 0.567 Magcargo 0.479 0.216 0.742 0.36 Scizor 0.477 0.252 0.74 0.408 Wailord 0.436 0.277 0.74 0.471 Kingdra 0.473 0.301 0.736 0.468 Tauros 0.473 0.234 0.736 0.387 Empoleon 0.471 0.337 0.736 0.512 Slowking 0.467 0.388 0.734 0.575 Salamence 0.467 0.297 0.734 0.467 Dusclops 0.471 0.299 0.734 0.467 Yanmega 0.469 0.212 0.733 0.363 Vaporeon 0.45 0.415 0.731 0.614 Latias 0.468 0.408 0.731 0.598 Milotic 0.462 0.433 0.729 0.629 Gyarados 0.462 0.358 0.729 0.539 Claydol 0.462 0.33 0.721 0.503 Wormadam Ground 0.462 0.246 0.721 0.399 Kabutops 0.462 0.21 0.721 0.354 Gastrodon 0.449 0.332 0.721 0.513 Pinsir 0.46 0.218 0.719 0.365 Shelgon 0.46 0.169 0.719 0.304 Dewgong 0.453 0.332 0.716 0.508 Machamp 0.453 0.303 0.716 0.473 Arcanine 0.453 0.288 0.716 0.455 Altaria 0.452 0.328 0.711 0.501 Lanturn 0.428 0.336 0.703 0.522 Nosepass 0.443 0.199 0.701 0.337 Gorebyss 0.444 0.214 0.698 0.358 Huntail 0.444 0.214 0.698 0.358 Metang 0.443 0.234 0.697 0.384 Pelipper 0.443 0.21 0.697 0.354 Crobat 0.439 0.279 0.697 0.443 Dunsparce 0.432 0.259 0.695 0.423 Clefable 0.434 0.327 0.695 0.503 Venusaur 0.438 0.325 0.694 0.498 Darkrai 0.437 0.278 0.691 0.439 Spiritomb 0.437 0.278 0.689 0.438 Politoed 0.43 0.347 0.688 0.526 Raikou 0.43 0.347 0.688 0.526 Ampharos 0.43 0.317 0.688 0.49 Abomasnow 0.43 0.303 0.688 0.473 Lickitung 0.43 0.273 0.688 0.438 Ursaring 0.43 0.273 0.688 0.438 Granbull 0.43 0.229 0.688 0.385 Skuntank 0.425 0.251 0.688 0.415 Bellossom 0.431 0.314 0.685 0.484 Vileplume 0.431 0.288 0.685 0.452 Grotle 0.431 0.221 0.685 0.371 Latios 0.425 0.353 0.679 0.531 Flygon 0.425 0.27 0.679 0.432 Glalie 0.425 0.27 0.679 0.432 Phione 0.425 0.27 0.679 0.432 Vigoroth 0.425 0.201 0.679 0.348 Drifblim 0.394 0.291 0.678 0.478 Wormadam Steel 0.425 0.27 0.674 0.429 Luxray 0.42 0.267 0.673 0.428 Golduck 0.416 0.27 0.668 0.432 Exploud 0.407 0.259 0.667 0.424 Nidoking 0.414 0.258 0.666 0.417 Solrock 0.417 0.213 0.666 0.361 Pidgeot 0.411 0.247 0.663 0.405 Charizard 0.41 0.28 0.661 0.443 Typhlosion 0.41 0.28 0.661 0.443 Sealeo 0.407 0.259 0.661 0.42 Wigglytuff 0.382 0.262 0.658 0.441 Aron 0.409 0.128 0.654 0.249 Seadra 0.408 0.145 0.653 0.272 Heracross 0.403 0.311 0.652 0.481 Hypno 0.394 0.379 0.643 0.563 Porygon-Z 0.394 0.265 0.643 0.426 Staraptor 0.394 0.194 0.643 0.341 Lopunny 0.398 0.283 0.642 0.445 Scyther 0.396 0.252 0.641 0.408 Crawdaunt 0.396 0.178 0.639 0.316 Shieldon 0.393 0.195 0.637 0.332 Octillery 0.39 0.248 0.634 0.403 Slowpoke 0.384 0.17 0.633 0.315 Hitmontop 0.392 0.282 0.632 0.444 Magneton 0.392 0.194 0.632 0.333 Cubone 0.392 0.15 0.632 0.277 Bonsly 0.392 0.139 0.632 0.263 Rampardos 0.376 0.209 0.627 0.363 Wormadam Grass 0.387 0.294 0.627 0.458 Starmie 0.387 0.246 0.627 0.399 Ninetales 0.384 0.31 0.627 0.479 Ludicolo 0.381 0.325 0.626 0.498 Blaziken 0.381 0.242 0.626 0.398 Machoke 0.381 0.215 0.626 0.365 Hippopotas 0.383 0.152 0.624 0.285 Croconaw 0.382 0.201 0.623 0.344 Bronzor 0.382 0.243 0.62 0.394 Lumineon 0.378 0.266 0.618 0.424 Infernape 0.375 0.239 0.617 0.393 Carnivine 0.374 0.238 0.616 0.391 Lileep 0.373 0.262 0.612 0.42 Blissey 0.262 0.912 0.612 1.206 Geodude 0.375 0.097 0.611 0.207 Furret 0.367 0.208 0.611 0.358 Munchlax 0.343 0.388 0.611 0.584 Deoxys Speed 0.375 0.238 0.61 0.388 Pineco 0.375 0.117 0.61 0.235 Toxicroak 0.367 0.233 0.61 0.388 Jumpluff 0.369 0.274 0.609 0.436 Golbat 0.369 0.248 0.609 0.403 Azelf 0.369 0.234 0.609 0.387 Togetic 0.372 0.283 0.608 0.444 Corsola 0.372 0.237 0.608 0.387 Shiftry 0.36 0.229 0.605 0.385 Phanpy 0.36 0.17 0.605 0.315 Bayleef 0.368 0.234 0.604 0.384 Parasect 0.368 0.234 0.604 0.384 Breloom 0.368 0.186 0.604 0.325 Exeggcute 0.368 0.151 0.604 0.28 Wartortle 0.365 0.232 0.6 0.382 Tentacruel 0.36 0.38 0.6 0.565 Grumpig 0.36 0.353 0.6 0.531 Seaking 0.36 0.27 0.6 0.432 Aerodactyl 0.36 0.256 0.6 0.415 Victreebel 0.36 0.215 0.6 0.365 Qwilfish 0.363 0.181 0.599 0.32 Magmortar 0.356 0.301 0.594 0.468 Electivire 0.356 0.274 0.594 0.436 Cherrim 0.356 0.247 0.592 0.401 Camerupt 0.356 0.239 0.592 0.392 Castform 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Froslass 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Lucario 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Marshtomp 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Pupitar 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Ariados 0.356 0.201 0.592 0.345 Mightyena 0.356 0.201 0.592 0.345 Koffing 0.359 0.127 0.591 0.246 Honchkrow 0.344 0.219 0.59 0.375 Omanyte 0.358 0.141 0.59 0.262 Mawile 0.357 0.161 0.589 0.291 Sandshrew 0.357 0.106 0.589 0.221 Ambipom 0.352 0.224 0.589 0.374 Medicham 0.349 0.222 0.581 0.369 Noctowl 0.334 0.356 0.579 0.538 Nidorina 0.344 0.188 0.577 0.329 Mantine 0.343 0.392 0.575 0.579 Chimecho 0.343 0.243 0.575 0.396 Rapidash 0.343 0.243 0.575 0.396 Porygon 0.343 0.231 0.575 0.381 Xatu 0.343 0.218 0.575 0.365 Linoone 0.338 0.215 0.573 0.364 Bibarel 0.336 0.213 0.571 0.363 Skorupi 0.344 0.148 0.57 0.272 Shellder 0.341 0.079 0.568 0.18 Lunatone 0.336 0.265 0.567 0.424 Sceptile 0.336 0.265 0.567 0.424 Weavile 0.336 0.265 0.567 0.424 Girafarig 0.336 0.213 0.567 0.361 Delcatty 0.336 0.188 0.567 0.329 Purugly 0.334 0.199 0.565 0.344 Wailmer 0.306 0.195 0.564 0.359 Floatzel 0.327 0.194 0.563 0.341 Hitmonchan 0.336 0.282 0.562 0.444 Stantler 0.33 0.218 0.562 0.367 Prinplup 0.333 0.231 0.562 0.381 Gallade 0.331 0.337 0.56 0.512 Gardevoir 0.331 0.337 0.56 0.512 Gabite 0.331 0.185 0.56 0.325 Kecleon 0.331 0.33 0.557 0.503 Dustox 0.331 0.258 0.557 0.414 Pachirisu 0.331 0.258 0.557 0.414 Electrode 0.331 0.234 0.557 0.384 Gloom 0.331 0.222 0.557 0.369 Dodrio 0.331 0.186 0.557 0.325 Rotom 0.33 0.21 0.554 0.352 Wynaut 0.314 0.2 0.553 0.352 Arbok 0.327 0.232 0.553 0.381 Chansey 0.212 0.722 0.552 0.996 Masquerain 0.324 0.257 0.552 0.414 Seviper 0.322 0.205 0.552 0.351 Zangoose 0.322 0.205 0.552 0.351 Fearow 0.324 0.196 0.55 0.338 Poliwhirl 0.324 0.169 0.55 0.304 Banette 0.321 0.199 0.547 0.342 Sableye 0.323 0.183 0.545 0.319 Venomoth 0.315 0.239 0.542 0.392 Cacturne 0.315 0.201 0.542 0.345 Manectric 0.315 0.201 0.542 0.345 Dragonair 0.314 0.212 0.537 0.357 Nincada 0.316 0.089 0.534 0.194 Sunflora 0.306 0.274 0.532 0.436 Clamperl 0.313 0.141 0.53 0.262 Kabuto 0.312 0.116 0.53 0.228 Krabby 0.312 0.079 0.53 0.18 Beldum 0.312 0.158 0.529 0.285 Flareon 0.304 0.318 0.526 0.488 Espeon 0.304 0.28 0.526 0.442 Jolteon 0.304 0.28 0.526 0.442 Primeape 0.304 0.218 0.526 0.365 Persian 0.304 0.206 0.526 0.35 Absol 0.304 0.193 0.526 0.335 Ivysaur 0.304 0.234 0.525 0.384 Grimer 0.295 0.187 0.521 0.332 Kricketune 0.293 0.186 0.518 0.329 Flaaffy 0.295 0.201 0.517 0.345 Turtwig 0.296 0.168 0.513 0.3 Electabuzz 0.293 0.256 0.512 0.411 Magmar 0.293 0.256 0.512 0.411 Mismagius 0.293 0.294 0.511 0.458 Misdreavus 0.293 0.246 0.511 0.399 Gengar 0.293 0.222 0.511 0.369 Combusken 0.293 0.186 0.511 0.325 Shroomish 0.293 0.186 0.511 0.325 Spinda 0.293 0.186 0.511 0.325 Swellow 0.293 0.162 0.511 0.295 Slakoth 0.293 0.127 0.511 0.251 Gulpin 0.287 0.183 0.508 0.323 Houndoom 0.285 0.261 0.507 0.42 Illumise 0.285 0.231 0.502 0.381 Volbeat 0.285 0.231 0.502 0.381 Seel 0.285 0.218 0.502 0.365 Nidorino 0.284 0.176 0.5 0.312 Shellos 0.278 0.215 0.5 0.363 Totodile 0.284 0.146 0.497 0.271 Pidgeotto 0.281 0.166 0.496 0.301 Loudred 0.271 0.173 0.495 0.315 Charmeleon 0.281 0.195 0.495 0.335 Quilava 0.281 0.195 0.495 0.335 Raticate 0.282 0.202 0.495 0.343 Marill 0.275 0.175 0.493 0.313 Mothim 0.275 0.175 0.493 0.313 Spheal 0.275 0.175 0.493 0.313 Machop 0.275 0.136 0.493 0.266 Duskull 0.281 0.179 0.49 0.312 Roserade 0.274 0.294 0.487 0.458 Raichu 0.274 0.234 0.487 0.384 Monferno 0.271 0.172 0.485 0.308 Chikorita 0.276 0.176 0.485 0.308 Chatot 0.266 0.161 0.484 0.298 Clefairy 0.267 0.213 0.483 0.361 Squirtle 0.274 0.172 0.481 0.303 Weepinbell 0.265 0.156 0.478 0.289 Corphish 0.271 0.11 0.478 0.224 Sneasel 0.264 0.214 0.472 0.358 Aipom 0.264 0.168 0.472 0.3 Mr. Mime 0.264 0.279 0.468 0.441 Minun 0.255 0.246 0.464 0.399 Butterfree 0.255 0.234 0.464 0.384 Lombre 0.255 0.21 0.464 0.354 Snover 0.255 0.186 0.464 0.325 Venonat 0.255 0.174 0.464 0.31 Beautifly 0.255 0.162 0.464 0.295 Teddiursa 0.255 0.162 0.464 0.295 Snubbull 0.255 0.139 0.464 0.265 Swablu 0.259 0.197 0.463 0.335 Goldeen 0.259 0.144 0.463 0.268 Bagon 0.259 0.101 0.463 0.214 Farfetch'd 0.257 0.179 0.463 0.314 Drifloon 0.24 0.182 0.462 0.329 Luxio 0.252 0.16 0.459 0.292 Nidoran F 0.253 0.133 0.459 0.257 Finneon 0.255 0.173 0.459 0.305 Stunky 0.25 0.144 0.458 0.273 Piplup 0.252 0.167 0.457 0.299 Ponyta 0.253 0.183 0.457 0.319 Cascoon 0.253 0.095 0.457 0.207 Metapod 0.253 0.095 0.457 0.207 Silcoon 0.253 0.095 0.457 0.207 Yanma 0.246 0.156 0.454 0.289 Horsea 0.255 0.079 0.454 0.18 Togepi 0.252 0.16 0.452 0.287 Ledian 0.246 0.294 0.45 0.458 Eevee 0.246 0.191 0.45 0.329 Skiploom 0.246 0.191 0.45 0.329 Staravia 0.246 0.133 0.45 0.257 Hitmonlee 0.246 0.282 0.449 0.444 Chinchou 0.235 0.197 0.446 0.342 Ninjask 0.238 0.164 0.443 0.297 Nuzleaf 0.235 0.149 0.443 0.282 Sharpedo 0.235 0.149 0.443 0.282 Oddish 0.243 0.176 0.442 0.308 Drowzee 0.237 0.258 0.441 0.414 Magnemite 0.242 0.128 0.437 0.243 Luvdisc 0.239 0.172 0.436 0.304 Cranidos 0.23 0.121 0.435 0.246 Larvitar 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Mudkip 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 (null) 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Snorunt 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Vibrava 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Gible 0.233 0.148 0.435 0.277 Jigglypuff 0.203 0.146 0.434 0.296 Beedrill 0.226 0.243 0.43 0.396 Baltoy 0.232 0.178 0.427 0.311 Alakazam 0.228 0.237 0.427 0.387 Growlithe 0.228 0.156 0.427 0.286 Wooper 0.228 0.099 0.427 0.214 Murkrow 0.225 0.143 0.427 0.271 Psyduck 0.229 0.15 0.427 0.277 Buneary 0.224 0.17 0.423 0.303 Mantyke 0.226 0.292 0.421 0.456 Anorith 0.226 0.144 0.421 0.268 Chingling 0.226 0.144 0.421 0.268 Kakuna 0.226 0.091 0.421 0.2 Ditto 0.225 0.143 0.421 0.268 Unown 0.225 0.143 0.421 0.268 Plusle 0.218 0.222 0.417 0.369 Numel 0.218 0.151 0.417 0.28 Bulbasaur 0.223 0.176 0.417 0.308 Bidoof 0.216 0.138 0.415 0.264 Roselia 0.219 0.216 0.414 0.36 Grovyle 0.219 0.183 0.414 0.319 Skitty 0.219 0.117 0.414 0.235 Paras 0.222 0.141 0.412 0.262 Voltorb 0.216 0.148 0.407 0.272 Seedot 0.216 0.097 0.407 0.207 Jynx 0.207 0.28 0.406 0.442 Barboach 0.212 0.13 0.405 0.252 Mareep 0.21 0.145 0.405 0.272 Haunter 0.209 0.154 0.4 0.281 Cherubi 0.209 0.15 0.4 0.276 Delibird 0.209 0.133 0.4 0.254 Trapinch 0.209 0.133 0.4 0.254 Makuhita 0.197 0.125 0.398 0.253 Glameow 0.206 0.12 0.398 0.239 Meditite 0.211 0.134 0.397 0.253 Staryu 0.211 0.134 0.397 0.253 Spoink 0.199 0.234 0.394 0.384 Chimchar 0.204 0.13 0.393 0.25 Dugtrio 0.207 0.17 0.392 0.3 Azurill 0.201 0.128 0.392 0.249 Cacnea 0.201 0.128 0.392 0.249 Swinub 0.201 0.106 0.392 0.221 Dratini 0.202 0.139 0.389 0.26 Croagunk 0.198 0.126 0.386 0.246 Burmy 0.2 0.127 0.386 0.246 Natu 0.2 0.127 0.386 0.246 Smeargle 0.191 0.145 0.382 0.272 Buizel 0.191 0.11 0.382 0.229 Nidoran M 0.195 0.124 0.381 0.243 Torchic 0.193 0.144 0.379 0.268 Charmander 0.192 0.136 0.375 0.257 Cyndaquil 0.192 0.136 0.375 0.257 Doduo 0.191 0.102 0.373 0.212 Hoothoot 0.18 0.177 0.371 0.313 Bellsprout 0.184 0.106 0.37 0.221 Ekans 0.188 0.139 0.369 0.26 Magikarp 0.19 0.063 0.367 0.155 Elekid 0.183 0.154 0.366 0.281 Magby 0.183 0.154 0.366 0.281 Electrike 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Poliwag 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Riolu 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Slugma 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Spinarak 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Pidgey 0.185 0.107 0.366 0.22 Zigzagoon 0.184 0.117 0.365 0.232 Kricketot 0.183 0.116 0.362 0.23 Vulpix 0.181 0.165 0.361 0.293 Wurmple 0.176 0.101 0.358 0.214 Caterpie 0.176 0.08 0.358 0.187 Igglybuff 0.152 0.112 0.357 0.244 Shuppet 0.175 0.107 0.355 0.221 Shinx 0.173 0.11 0.353 0.225 Hoppip 0.176 0.141 0.353 0.262 Combee 0.174 0.11 0.348 0.221 Whismur 0.159 0.101 0.346 0.22 Tentacool 0.169 0.239 0.345 0.389 Budew 0.169 0.178 0.345 0.311 Treecko 0.169 0.148 0.345 0.272 Mankey 0.169 0.127 0.345 0.246 Meowth 0.169 0.117 0.345 0.233 Zubat 0.169 0.117 0.345 0.233 Kirlia 0.166 0.145 0.341 0.268 Cleffa 0.16 0.161 0.339 0.291 Houndour 0.16 0.144 0.336 0.268 Remoraid 0.161 0.102 0.333 0.212 Tyrogue 0.161 0.102 0.333 0.212 Poochyena 0.161 0.093 0.333 0.199 Surskit 0.159 0.142 0.333 0.264 Mime Jr. 0.164 0.179 0.332 0.312 Sentret 0.158 0.122 0.329 0.237 Ledyba 0.153 0.198 0.325 0.337 Kadabra 0.153 0.178 0.325 0.311 Lotad 0.153 0.138 0.325 0.259 Spearow 0.153 0.099 0.325 0.209 Starly 0.153 0.097 0.325 0.207 Taillow 0.153 0.097 0.325 0.207 Wingull 0.153 0.097 0.325 0.207 Weedle 0.153 0.077 0.325 0.181 Rattata 0.153 0.098 0.321 0.204 Happiny 0.113 0.259 0.317 0.423 Pikachu 0.146 0.112 0.314 0.224 Deoxys Attack 0.132 0.084 0.304 0.193 Gastly 0.139 0.098 0.302 0.204 Sunkern 0.139 0.088 0.302 0.192 Carvanha 0.126 0.08 0.294 0.187 Shedinja 0.13 0.063 0.28 0.15 Ralts 0.122 0.096 0.279 0.201 Smoochum 0.11 0.176 0.273 0.308 Feebas 0.099 0.121 0.244 0.233 Diglett 0.1 0.093 0.24 0.194 Abra 0.091 0.128 0.236 0.243 Pichu 0.086 0.088 0.227 0.189 List ordered by BlissCents: (0/0, 0/0, 255/255, 255/255) Def, Sp. Def, Def, Sp. Def Code:
Blissey 0.262 0.912 0.612 1.206 <---------- Blissey Chansey 0.212 0.722 0.552 0.996 Regice 0.511 0.601 0.783 0.831 Giratina 0.876 0.557 1.23 0.782 Lugia 0.752 0.556 1.075 0.775 Ho-oh 0.549 0.556 0.835 0.775 Snorlax 0.551 0.54 0.864 0.765 Cresselia 0.757 0.516 1.083 0.73 Kyogre 0.53 0.493 0.811 0.701 Arceus 0.757 0.481 1.083 0.689 Registeel 0.728 0.463 1.045 0.665 Umbreon 0.61 0.448 0.905 0.647 Milotic 0.462 0.433 0.729 0.629 Shuckle 0.646 0.411 0.982 0.624 Regigigas 0.665 0.423 0.973 0.619 Lapras 0.566 0.415 0.865 0.614 Vaporeon 0.45 0.415 0.731 0.614 Articuno 0.545 0.42 0.826 0.613 Suicune 0.653 0.415 0.957 0.608 Latias 0.468 0.408 0.731 0.598 Palkia 0.545 0.406 0.826 0.596 Probopass 0.612 0.401 0.907 0.592 Munchlax 0.343 0.388 0.611 0.584 Deoxys Defense 0.617 0.393 0.917 0.583 Uxie 0.62 0.394 0.915 0.582 Mantine 0.343 0.392 0.575 0.579 Wobbuffet 0.57 0.362 0.904 0.575 Slowking 0.467 0.388 0.734 0.575 Muk 0.47 0.379 0.742 0.567 Tentacruel 0.36 0.38 0.6 0.565 Togekiss 0.506 0.379 0.778 0.563 Hypno 0.394 0.379 0.643 0.563 Lickilicky 0.587 0.373 0.882 0.561 Bastiodon 0.699 0.373 1.014 0.556 Dialga 0.677 0.368 0.986 0.553 Tyranitar 0.628 0.368 0.928 0.553 Shaymin 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Mew 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Manaphy 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Jirachi 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Celebi 0.579 0.368 0.869 0.553 Heatran 0.577 0.367 0.864 0.549 Walrein 0.561 0.357 0.851 0.541 Cradily 0.518 0.358 0.793 0.539 Gyarados 0.462 0.358 0.729 0.539 Noctowl 0.334 0.356 0.579 0.538 Mewtwo 0.549 0.349 0.835 0.531 Latios 0.425 0.353 0.679 0.531 Grumpig 0.36 0.353 0.6 0.531 Rayquaza 0.546 0.347 0.831 0.529 Slaking 0.749 0.335 1.085 0.528 Dragonite 0.525 0.349 0.803 0.528 Raikou 0.43 0.347 0.688 0.526 Politoed 0.43 0.347 0.688 0.526 Lanturn 0.428 0.336 0.703 0.522 Garchomp 0.581 0.337 0.874 0.517 Groudon 0.776 0.337 1.102 0.516 Swampert 0.53 0.337 0.811 0.516 Mesprit 0.533 0.339 0.81 0.515 Gastrodon 0.449 0.332 0.721 0.513 Bronzong 0.53 0.337 0.805 0.512 Blastoise 0.508 0.337 0.779 0.512 Empoleon 0.471 0.337 0.736 0.512 Gardevoir 0.331 0.337 0.56 0.512 Gallade 0.331 0.337 0.56 0.512 Dewgong 0.453 0.332 0.716 0.508 Claydol 0.462 0.33 0.721 0.503 Clefable 0.434 0.327 0.695 0.503 Kecleon 0.331 0.33 0.557 0.503 Tropius 0.493 0.326 0.767 0.502 Altaria 0.452 0.328 0.711 0.501 Regirock 0.945 0.325 1.307 0.498 Meganium 0.511 0.325 0.783 0.498 Venusaur 0.438 0.325 0.694 0.498 Ludicolo 0.381 0.325 0.626 0.498 Dusknoir 0.509 0.324 0.781 0.497 Entei 0.55 0.316 0.84 0.495 Porygon2 0.483 0.322 0.751 0.495 Hariyama 0.482 0.306 0.775 0.493 Kangaskhan 0.495 0.315 0.772 0.491 Poliwrath 0.522 0.317 0.799 0.49 Swalot 0.496 0.315 0.771 0.49 Zapdos 0.476 0.317 0.743 0.49 Ampharos 0.43 0.317 0.688 0.49 Flareon 0.304 0.318 0.526 0.488 Torterra 0.586 0.312 0.876 0.485 Bellossom 0.431 0.314 0.685 0.484 Heracross 0.403 0.311 0.652 0.481 Azumarill 0.481 0.306 0.753 0.479 Ninetales 0.384 0.31 0.627 0.479 Drifblim 0.394 0.291 0.678 0.478 Vespiquen 0.485 0.309 0.75 0.477 Moltres 0.499 0.303 0.771 0.473 Nidoqueen 0.485 0.303 0.754 0.473 Machamp 0.453 0.303 0.716 0.473 Abomasnow 0.43 0.303 0.688 0.473 Wailord 0.436 0.277 0.74 0.471 Whiscash 0.473 0.294 0.748 0.468 Kingdra 0.473 0.301 0.736 0.468 Magmortar 0.356 0.301 0.594 0.468 Hippowdon 0.699 0.294 1.013 0.467 Slowbro 0.61 0.297 0.905 0.467 Salamence 0.467 0.297 0.734 0.467 Dusclops 0.471 0.299 0.734 0.467 Metagross 0.641 0.298 0.94 0.465 Wormadam Grass 0.387 0.294 0.627 0.458 Mismagius 0.293 0.294 0.511 0.458 Roserade 0.274 0.294 0.487 0.458 Ledian 0.246 0.294 0.45 0.458 Mantyke 0.226 0.292 0.421 0.456 Arcanine 0.453 0.288 0.716 0.455 Feraligatr 0.528 0.288 0.805 0.454 Vileplume 0.431 0.288 0.685 0.452 Lopunny 0.398 0.283 0.642 0.445 Hitmontop 0.392 0.282 0.632 0.444 Togetic 0.372 0.283 0.608 0.444 Hitmonchan 0.336 0.282 0.562 0.444 Hitmonlee 0.246 0.282 0.449 0.444 Crobat 0.439 0.279 0.697 0.443 Typhlosion 0.41 0.28 0.661 0.443 Charizard 0.41 0.28 0.661 0.443 Glaceon 0.499 0.28 0.767 0.442 Jolteon 0.304 0.28 0.526 0.442 Espeon 0.304 0.28 0.526 0.442 Jynx 0.207 0.28 0.406 0.442 Wigglytuff 0.382 0.262 0.658 0.441 Mr. Mime 0.264 0.279 0.468 0.441 Magnezone 0.538 0.278 0.815 0.439 Darkrai 0.437 0.278 0.691 0.439 Spiritomb 0.437 0.278 0.689 0.438 Ursaring 0.43 0.273 0.688 0.438 Lickitung 0.43 0.273 0.688 0.438 Jumpluff 0.369 0.274 0.609 0.436 Electivire 0.356 0.274 0.594 0.436 Sunflora 0.306 0.274 0.532 0.436 Phione 0.425 0.27 0.679 0.432 Glalie 0.425 0.27 0.679 0.432 Flygon 0.425 0.27 0.679 0.432 Golduck 0.416 0.27 0.668 0.432 Seaking 0.36 0.27 0.6 0.432 Miltank 0.586 0.267 0.876 0.431 Wormadam Steel 0.425 0.27 0.674 0.429 Luxray 0.42 0.267 0.673 0.428 Porygon-Z 0.394 0.265 0.643 0.426 Mamoswine 0.509 0.258 0.79 0.425 Exploud 0.407 0.259 0.667 0.424 Lumineon 0.378 0.266 0.618 0.424 Weavile 0.336 0.265 0.567 0.424 Sceptile 0.336 0.265 0.567 0.424 Lunatone 0.336 0.265 0.567 0.424 Relicanth 0.726 0.259 1.044 0.423 Dunsparce 0.432 0.259 0.695 0.423 Happiny 0.113 0.259 0.317 0.423 Armaldo 0.494 0.261 0.762 0.42 Sealeo 0.407 0.259 0.661 0.42 Lileep 0.373 0.262 0.612 0.42 Houndoom 0.285 0.261 0.507 0.42 Nidoking 0.414 0.258 0.666 0.417 Rhyperior 0.79 0.248 1.121 0.415 Skuntank 0.425 0.251 0.688 0.415 Aerodactyl 0.36 0.256 0.6 0.415 Pachirisu 0.331 0.258 0.557 0.414 Dustox 0.331 0.258 0.557 0.414 Masquerain 0.324 0.257 0.552 0.414 Drowzee 0.237 0.258 0.441 0.414 Quagsire 0.491 0.251 0.763 0.413 Exeggutor 0.491 0.251 0.763 0.413 Magmar 0.293 0.256 0.512 0.411 Electabuzz 0.293 0.256 0.512 0.411 Scizor 0.477 0.252 0.74 0.408 Scyther 0.396 0.252 0.641 0.408 Piloswine 0.481 0.243 0.753 0.405 Pidgeot 0.411 0.247 0.663 0.405 Gliscor 0.599 0.248 0.889 0.403 Octillery 0.39 0.248 0.634 0.403 Golbat 0.369 0.248 0.609 0.403 Cherrim 0.356 0.247 0.592 0.401 Wormadam Ground 0.462 0.246 0.721 0.399 Starmie 0.387 0.246 0.627 0.399 Misdreavus 0.293 0.246 0.511 0.399 Minun 0.255 0.246 0.464 0.399 Blaziken 0.381 0.242 0.626 0.398 Rapidash 0.343 0.243 0.575 0.396 Chimecho 0.343 0.243 0.575 0.396 Beedrill 0.226 0.243 0.43 0.396 Bronzor 0.382 0.243 0.62 0.394 Infernape 0.375 0.239 0.617 0.393 Drapion 0.518 0.239 0.79 0.392 Camerupt 0.356 0.239 0.592 0.392 Venomoth 0.315 0.239 0.542 0.392 Carnivine 0.374 0.238 0.616 0.391 Tentacool 0.169 0.239 0.345 0.389 Toxicroak 0.367 0.233 0.61 0.388 Deoxys Speed 0.375 0.238 0.61 0.388 Tauros 0.473 0.234 0.736 0.387 Azelf 0.369 0.234 0.609 0.387 Corsola 0.372 0.237 0.608 0.387 Alakazam 0.228 0.237 0.427 0.387 Donphan 0.638 0.229 0.937 0.385 Granbull 0.43 0.229 0.688 0.385 Shiftry 0.36 0.229 0.605 0.385 Marowak 0.481 0.234 0.744 0.384 Metang 0.443 0.234 0.697 0.384 Parasect 0.368 0.234 0.604 0.384 Bayleef 0.368 0.234 0.604 0.384 Electrode 0.331 0.234 0.557 0.384 Ivysaur 0.304 0.234 0.525 0.384 Raichu 0.274 0.234 0.487 0.384 Butterfree 0.255 0.234 0.464 0.384 Spoink 0.199 0.234 0.394 0.384 Golem 0.641 0.229 0.94 0.382 Wartortle 0.365 0.232 0.6 0.382 Porygon 0.343 0.231 0.575 0.381 Prinplup 0.333 0.231 0.562 0.381 Arbok 0.327 0.232 0.553 0.381 Volbeat 0.285 0.231 0.502 0.381 Illumise 0.285 0.231 0.502 0.381 Torkoal 0.639 0.226 0.938 0.376 Omastar 0.578 0.226 0.864 0.376 Pupitar 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Marshtomp 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Lucario 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Froslass 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Castform 0.356 0.226 0.592 0.376 Honchkrow 0.344 0.219 0.59 0.375 Ambipom 0.352 0.224 0.589 0.374 Steelix 0.913 0.221 1.271 0.371 Grotle 0.431 0.221 0.685 0.371 Medicham 0.349 0.222 0.581 0.369 Gloom 0.331 0.222 0.557 0.369 Gengar 0.293 0.222 0.511 0.369 Plusle 0.218 0.222 0.417 0.369 Tangrowth 0.702 0.212 1.015 0.368 Stantler 0.33 0.218 0.562 0.367 Skarmory 0.616 0.218 0.911 0.365 Weezing 0.538 0.218 0.815 0.365 Pinsir 0.46 0.218 0.719 0.365 Machoke 0.381 0.215 0.626 0.365 Victreebel 0.36 0.215 0.6 0.365 Xatu 0.343 0.218 0.575 0.365 Primeape 0.304 0.218 0.526 0.365 Seel 0.285 0.218 0.502 0.365 Linoone 0.338 0.215 0.573 0.364 Yanmega 0.469 0.212 0.733 0.363 Rampardos 0.376 0.209 0.627 0.363 Bibarel 0.336 0.213 0.571 0.363 Shellos 0.278 0.215 0.5 0.363 Sudowoodo 0.538 0.213 0.815 0.361 Solrock 0.417 0.213 0.666 0.361 Girafarig 0.336 0.213 0.567 0.361 Clefairy 0.267 0.213 0.483 0.361 Magcargo 0.479 0.216 0.742 0.36 Roselia 0.219 0.216 0.414 0.36 Wailmer 0.306 0.195 0.564 0.359 Rhydon 0.697 0.202 1.01 0.358 Huntail 0.444 0.214 0.698 0.358 Gorebyss 0.444 0.214 0.698 0.358 Furret 0.367 0.208 0.611 0.358 Sneasel 0.264 0.214 0.472 0.358 Dragonair 0.314 0.212 0.537 0.357 Forretress 0.662 0.208 0.966 0.355 Kabutops 0.462 0.21 0.721 0.354 Pelipper 0.443 0.21 0.697 0.354 Lombre 0.255 0.21 0.464 0.354 Rotom 0.33 0.21 0.554 0.352 Wynaut 0.314 0.2 0.553 0.352 Zangoose 0.322 0.205 0.552 0.351 Seviper 0.322 0.205 0.552 0.351 Leafeon 0.577 0.206 0.863 0.35 Gligar 0.48 0.206 0.743 0.35 Persian 0.304 0.206 0.526 0.35 Vigoroth 0.425 0.201 0.679 0.348 Aggron 0.801 0.201 1.136 0.345 Mightyena 0.356 0.201 0.592 0.345 Ariados 0.356 0.201 0.592 0.345 Manectric 0.315 0.201 0.542 0.345 Cacturne 0.315 0.201 0.542 0.345 Flaaffy 0.295 0.201 0.517 0.345 Croconaw 0.382 0.201 0.623 0.344 Purugly 0.334 0.199 0.565 0.344 Raticate 0.282 0.202 0.495 0.343 Banette 0.321 0.199 0.547 0.342 Chinchou 0.235 0.197 0.446 0.342 Staraptor 0.394 0.194 0.643 0.341 Floatzel 0.327 0.194 0.563 0.341 Sandslash 0.536 0.194 0.813 0.339 Fearow 0.324 0.196 0.55 0.338 Nosepass 0.443 0.199 0.701 0.337 Ledyba 0.153 0.198 0.325 0.337 Absol 0.304 0.193 0.526 0.335 Quilava 0.281 0.195 0.495 0.335 Charmeleon 0.281 0.195 0.495 0.335 Swablu 0.259 0.197 0.463 0.335 Magneton 0.392 0.194 0.632 0.333 Shieldon 0.393 0.195 0.637 0.332 Grimer 0.295 0.187 0.521 0.332 Nidorina 0.344 0.188 0.577 0.329 Delcatty 0.336 0.188 0.567 0.329 Kricketune 0.293 0.186 0.518 0.329 Drifloon 0.24 0.182 0.462 0.329 Skiploom 0.246 0.191 0.45 0.329 Eevee 0.246 0.191 0.45 0.329 Breloom 0.368 0.186 0.604 0.325 Gabite 0.331 0.185 0.56 0.325 Dodrio 0.331 0.186 0.557 0.325 Spinda 0.293 0.186 0.511 0.325 Shroomish 0.293 0.186 0.511 0.325 Combusken 0.293 0.186 0.511 0.325 Snover 0.255 0.186 0.464 0.325 Gulpin 0.287 0.183 0.508 0.323 Qwilfish 0.363 0.181 0.599 0.32 Sableye 0.323 0.183 0.545 0.319 Ponyta 0.253 0.183 0.457 0.319 Grovyle 0.219 0.183 0.414 0.319 Crawdaunt 0.396 0.178 0.639 0.316 Slowpoke 0.384 0.17 0.633 0.315 Phanpy 0.36 0.17 0.605 0.315 Loudred 0.271 0.173 0.495 0.315 Farfetch'd 0.257 0.179 0.463 0.314 Spheal 0.275 0.175 0.493 0.313 Mothim 0.275 0.175 0.493 0.313 Marill 0.275 0.175 0.493 0.313 Hoothoot 0.18 0.177 0.371 0.313 Nidorino 0.284 0.176 0.5 0.312 Duskull 0.281 0.179 0.49 0.312 Mime Jr. 0.164 0.179 0.332 0.312 Baltoy 0.232 0.178 0.427 0.311 Budew 0.169 0.178 0.345 0.311 Kadabra 0.153 0.178 0.325 0.311 Venonat 0.255 0.174 0.464 0.31 Monferno 0.271 0.172 0.485 0.308 Chikorita 0.276 0.176 0.485 0.308 Oddish 0.243 0.176 0.442 0.308 Bulbasaur 0.223 0.176 0.417 0.308 Smoochum 0.11 0.176 0.273 0.308 Finneon 0.255 0.173 0.459 0.305 Shelgon 0.46 0.169 0.719 0.304 Poliwhirl 0.324 0.169 0.55 0.304 Luvdisc 0.239 0.172 0.436 0.304 Squirtle 0.274 0.172 0.481 0.303 Buneary 0.224 0.17 0.423 0.303 Pidgeotto 0.281 0.166 0.496 0.301 Turtwig 0.296 0.168 0.513 0.3 Aipom 0.264 0.168 0.472 0.3 Dugtrio 0.207 0.17 0.392 0.3 Piplup 0.252 0.167 0.457 0.299 Chatot 0.266 0.161 0.484 0.298 Ninjask 0.238 0.164 0.443 0.297 Jigglypuff 0.203 0.146 0.434 0.296 Lairon 0.594 0.162 0.884 0.295 Swellow 0.293 0.162 0.511 0.295 Teddiursa 0.255 0.162 0.464 0.295 Beautifly 0.255 0.162 0.464 0.295 Vulpix 0.181 0.165 0.361 0.293 Luxio 0.252 0.16 0.459 0.292 Mawile 0.357 0.161 0.589 0.291 Cleffa 0.16 0.161 0.339 0.291 Weepinbell 0.265 0.156 0.478 0.289 Yanma 0.246 0.156 0.454 0.289 Togepi 0.252 0.16 0.452 0.287 Kingler 0.481 0.156 0.744 0.286 Growlithe 0.228 0.156 0.427 0.286 Hippopotas 0.383 0.152 0.624 0.285 Beldum 0.312 0.158 0.529 0.285 Sharpedo 0.235 0.149 0.443 0.282 Nuzleaf 0.235 0.149 0.443 0.282 Haunter 0.209 0.154 0.4 0.281 Magby 0.183 0.154 0.366 0.281 Elekid 0.183 0.154 0.366 0.281 Exeggcute 0.368 0.151 0.604 0.28 Numel 0.218 0.151 0.417 0.28 Cubone 0.392 0.15 0.632 0.277 Vibrava 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Snorunt 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 (null) 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Mudkip 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Larvitar 0.236 0.15 0.435 0.277 Gible 0.233 0.148 0.435 0.277 Psyduck 0.229 0.15 0.427 0.277 Cherubi 0.209 0.15 0.4 0.276 Tangela 0.519 0.144 0.791 0.274 Stunky 0.25 0.144 0.458 0.273 Graveler 0.481 0.145 0.744 0.272 Seadra 0.408 0.145 0.653 0.272 Skorupi 0.344 0.148 0.57 0.272 Voltorb 0.216 0.148 0.407 0.272 Mareep 0.21 0.145 0.405 0.272 Smeargle 0.191 0.145 0.382 0.272 Treecko 0.169 0.148 0.345 0.272 Totodile 0.284 0.146 0.497 0.271 Murkrow 0.225 0.143 0.427 0.271 Goldeen 0.259 0.144 0.463 0.268 Unown 0.225 0.143 0.421 0.268 Ditto 0.225 0.143 0.421 0.268 Chingling 0.226 0.144 0.421 0.268 Anorith 0.226 0.144 0.421 0.268 Torchic 0.193 0.144 0.379 0.268 Kirlia 0.166 0.145 0.341 0.268 Houndour 0.16 0.144 0.336 0.268 Machop 0.275 0.136 0.493 0.266 Rhyhorn 0.49 0.132 0.757 0.265 Snubbull 0.255 0.139 0.464 0.265 Bidoof 0.216 0.138 0.415 0.264 Surskit 0.159 0.142 0.333 0.264 Cloyster 0.687 0.139 1.004 0.263 Bonsly 0.392 0.139 0.632 0.263 Omanyte 0.358 0.141 0.59 0.262 Clamperl 0.313 0.141 0.53 0.262 Paras 0.222 0.141 0.412 0.262 Hoppip 0.176 0.141 0.353 0.262 Dratini 0.202 0.139 0.389 0.26 Ekans 0.188 0.139 0.369 0.26 Lotad 0.153 0.138 0.325 0.259 Nidoran F 0.253 0.133 0.459 0.257 Staravia 0.246 0.133 0.45 0.257 Cyndaquil 0.192 0.136 0.375 0.257 Charmander 0.192 0.136 0.375 0.257 Trapinch 0.209 0.133 0.4 0.254 Delibird 0.209 0.133 0.4 0.254 Makuhita 0.197 0.125 0.398 0.253 Staryu 0.211 0.134 0.397 0.253 Meditite 0.211 0.134 0.397 0.253 Barboach 0.212 0.13 0.405 0.252 Slakoth 0.293 0.127 0.511 0.251 Chimchar 0.204 0.13 0.393 0.25 Aron 0.409 0.128 0.654 0.249 Cacnea 0.201 0.128 0.392 0.249 Azurill 0.201 0.128 0.392 0.249 Koffing 0.359 0.127 0.591 0.246 Cranidos 0.23 0.121 0.435 0.246 Natu 0.2 0.127 0.386 0.246 Croagunk 0.198 0.126 0.386 0.246 Burmy 0.2 0.127 0.386 0.246 Mankey 0.169 0.127 0.345 0.246 Igglybuff 0.152 0.112 0.357 0.244 Magnemite 0.242 0.128 0.437 0.243 Nidoran M 0.195 0.124 0.381 0.243 Abra 0.091 0.128 0.236 0.243 Glameow 0.206 0.12 0.398 0.239 Onix 0.541 0.122 0.826 0.237 Sentret 0.158 0.122 0.329 0.237 Pineco 0.375 0.117 0.61 0.235 Skitty 0.219 0.117 0.414 0.235 Spinarak 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Slugma 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Riolu 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Poliwag 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Electrike 0.185 0.117 0.366 0.233 Zubat 0.169 0.117 0.345 0.233 Meowth 0.169 0.117 0.345 0.233 Feebas 0.099 0.121 0.244 0.233 Zigzagoon 0.184 0.117 0.365 0.232 Kricketot 0.183 0.116 0.362 0.23 Buizel 0.191 0.11 0.382 0.229 Kabuto 0.312 0.116 0.53 0.228 Shinx 0.173 0.11 0.353 0.225 Corphish 0.271 0.11 0.478 0.224 Pikachu 0.146 0.112 0.314 0.224 Sandshrew 0.357 0.106 0.589 0.221 Swinub 0.201 0.106 0.392 0.221 Bellsprout 0.184 0.106 0.37 0.221 Shuppet 0.175 0.107 0.355 0.221 Combee 0.174 0.11 0.348 0.221 Pidgey 0.185 0.107 0.366 0.22 Whismur 0.159 0.101 0.346 0.22 Bagon 0.259 0.101 0.463 0.214 Wooper 0.228 0.099 0.427 0.214 Wurmple 0.176 0.101 0.358 0.214 Doduo 0.191 0.102 0.373 0.212 Tyrogue 0.161 0.102 0.333 0.212 Remoraid 0.161 0.102 0.333 0.212 Spearow 0.153 0.099 0.325 0.209 Geodude 0.375 0.097 0.611 0.207 Silcoon 0.253 0.095 0.457 0.207 Metapod 0.253 0.095 0.457 0.207 Cascoon 0.253 0.095 0.457 0.207 Seedot 0.216 0.097 0.407 0.207 Wingull 0.153 0.097 0.325 0.207 Taillow 0.153 0.097 0.325 0.207 Starly 0.153 0.097 0.325 0.207 Rattata 0.153 0.098 0.321 0.204 Gastly 0.139 0.098 0.302 0.204 Ralts 0.122 0.096 0.279 0.201 Kakuna 0.226 0.091 0.421 0.2 Poochyena 0.161 0.093 0.333 0.199 Nincada 0.316 0.089 0.534 0.194 Diglett 0.1 0.093 0.24 0.194 Deoxys Attack 0.132 0.084 0.304 0.193 Sunkern 0.139 0.088 0.302 0.192 Pichu 0.086 0.088 0.227 0.189 Caterpie 0.176 0.08 0.358 0.187 Carvanha 0.126 0.08 0.294 0.187 Weedle 0.153 0.077 0.325 0.181 Shellder 0.341 0.079 0.568 0.18 Krabby 0.312 0.079 0.53 0.18 Horsea 0.255 0.079 0.454 0.18 Magikarp 0.19 0.063 0.367 0.155 Questions, comments, welcome.
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Really amazing research, will need to read, re-read, and re-re-read to understand all this stuff. But just wondering, why are their 3 columns?
For example, Regirock is: 0.945 0.325 1.307 0.498 What does each mean? EDIT: Nevermind I understand now. And this is much easier to understand. Try re-doing the attack tiers, only using the highest physical Pokemon and highest special Pokemon.
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Love the new idea, but perhaps dollars? $1.03 makes much more sense to me than 1.03 cents. SkamBucks, it's kidna like Starbucks, amirite? BlissBucks sounds interesting as well. I kinda liked defense tiers better, since I figured out where the "log" button is on my calculator (joking), and since I know how to calculate them (I memorized the magic number .041292685, finally). I'll probably continue using them for my personal use.
Edit: While the idea of using the most popular walls of each side of the spectrum (though Hippo is more common now, I think), I can't help but feel that the original defense tiers worked better, since you could even compare stuff like Donphan's defensive walling with stuff like Vaporeon's special walling. I think using some more similar "bucks", or "cents", such as WeezingBucks and EmpoleonBucks, woudl've worked better. But redoing it would be too huge a task. :P
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Just a quick question, it may be just me, but these are the numbers Skarmory has for SkarmCents.
.616 .218 .911 .365 If I'm not mistaken, does that mean that you aren't taking nature into account? Bold Skarm with 252/252 would have 1, but the extra .089 would be accounted for with nature. EDIT: 100th post. And yea, I reread it, you arent' taking them into account. |
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Same here. I've actually been working on a spreadsheet for easy calculations of attack and defense tiers. Once I finish it, I'll upload it to here.
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Now all we need are RampardoBucks (or cents) and TwoBucks/MewBucks/MewtwoBucks (...or cents lol). I really liked the Skarm and Bliss idea though to make it easier to understand.
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I think Cents it's from percent.
Anyways, very interesting list! Great for comparing.
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Wow, this just further proves Blissey's awesomeness. a Max/Max+ Chansey can't even surpass Max HP Blissey.
Dragontamer, this is easier to understand, but less useful overall. Unless you find away to make it so that you only need to do calculations on your "standard" Skarmory and Blissey and then have some way to convert those percentages onto other Pokemon. Maybe you could just multiply by the inverse of the Skarm/BlissCents? I don't know, but I'm sure you'll figure out a way.
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I thought standard Skarm was Impish?
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Nice. To me, a list without resistances is actually more helpful, if I'm looking to compare two things like how much damage two pokemon with different typing would take from a specific attack, which is what I use the defense tiers for most often.
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well, I don't feel like memorizing lists. I also am usually doing very specific EV spreads by the time I get to damage calculations, I usually have a generally idea of what is needed to do what.
Maybe I should have looked into this when designing my spread for Coopers thread (this being the original tiers) In fact I feel like doing that to find the counters to the monstrosity I envision.
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Nice work DT, though I find Defense Tiers more useful for selecting walls. But yeah, running a scale relative to the stats of the most standard walls is nice.
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How about multiplying every number you've got by 100, so that a 252HP 0 SpDef Blissey is 100%? That way, the term 'cents' makes even more sense, since they are percentages.
Also, I'd suggest you ignore the decimal places after the percentage so that you have whole numbers instead of decimals, which in my opinion makes the numbers more readable and more accepted by the "common people". As you know, this was a slight complaint I had for your defense and attack logarithmic tiers as well. Since this system is just in its infancy, I hope this time you heed the above suggestions. :) P.S. I still have the 'whole number version' of your Defense and Attack tiers if you need them!
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Lol, why not?
I'll make an update to 0.2 Beta later however. For now, I'll gather more opinions and see if there's a way to do "attack tiers". BTW: Cent is derivative of the word 100. A cent is 100th of a dollar. Per Cent means literally, per 100. Ex. 9 % == 9 per 100. Literally. Like Miles per hour? Whether or not "BlissCents" is named after Dollars or Percents is irrelevant, as they share a common root.
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I prefered the tiers TBH.
@Xact: I'm interested in the whole number tiers. EDIT: This is my nifty little formula, Min Percentage Damage = (Ceil(HP/0.85 - 2) * Defence / 0.84) / (Attack * BP) The first set of brackets is the 'Defence Value' and the 'Attack Value' is simply Attack * Move Power. You could of course change the Def Value formula to Ceil(HP/0.85 - 2) * Defence and Attack Value to Attack * BP * 0.84. Last edited by Pikachu of Doom; Dec 16th, 2007 at 5:04:35 AM. |
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lol, in truth, when I first saw the defensive tiers I immediately said tl;dr after reading a few lines. But this makes a hell of a lot more sense to me, the guy who's bad at algebra. Nice work.
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this is much esyer to understand.
could you add sandstorm sp.def boost plz.
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While I can see myself personally using the Defense Tiers list more as I'm now fairly acquainted with it, you really need to be commended on constructing a a second tiers list that's this simple to understand.
It's a brilliant concept, thoroughly researched and presented in an easy-to-understand manner. I take my hat off to you.
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Wow, Dragontamer, you're a fucking god.
And about the AttackCents, how about using the attack/sp. att stat and the strongest move? But things like Focus Punch, or Giga Impact couldn't be used.
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I also think "AttackCents" are not that difficult to construct either. If you want, I'll help you with them.
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