Smogon's 1st "Create a Pokemon": Poll 2

Cooper · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:39:46 PM

Okay, sorry I'm so late. Couldn't get on at school. Anyway....

That's right, boys and girls, it's poll 2, the conclusion to poll one. Last time you all voted for your favorite pokemon type, but now we need to decide whether you want dual typing or not. These are the winners from poll 1:

1st place - Steel
2nd place - Ice
3rd place - Bug

A stunning upset from Ice to take second place, which just goes to show that anything can happen if you believe. Now we must choose: dual or mono? For reference, these are the weaknesses and resistances of each combo:

Steel/Ice

Weaknesses:

4x Fire, 4x Fighting, 2x Ground

Resistances:

0.25x Ice, 0.5x Normal, 0.5x Flying, 0.5x Psychic, 0.5x Grass, 0.5x Bug, 0.5x Ghost, 0.5x Dragon, 0.5x Dark

Immunities

Poison
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Steel/Bug

Weaknesses:

4x Fire

Resistances:

0.25x Grass, 0.5x Normal, 0.5x Psychic, 0.5x Bug, 0.5x Ghost, 0.5x Dragon, 0.5x Dark, 0.5x Steel, 0.5x Ice

Immunities

Poison
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Bug/Ice

Weaknesses:

4x Fire, 4x Rock, 2x Steel

Resistances:

0.5x Grass, 0.5x Ice, 0.5x Ground

Debate as much as you wish. I've provided the above calculations to help you in your decision. This poll will close in three days.

Cooper · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:42:27 PM

I voted Steel/Ice, because that would be such an awesome type combo. It could have Steel's defenses and Ice's speed (hopefully). And type coverage would be good.

EconBiscuit · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:44:09 PM

I think Ice/Bug, I think Bug's lacking and needs more variety in what's its given. I can also quite easily imagine an Ice/Bug

Syntacus · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:44:21 PM

The only good one is bug/steel though its already been done twice.. I still vote for it..
4x fight 4x fire 2x ground is lol
and 4x rock speaks for it self.

**cookie** · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:44:24 PM

we already have Scizor/Forretress for Steel/Bug, and Ice/Steel is a garbage typing. 4x weak to Fighting and Fire, 2x weak to Ground.

Kamikaze Korean · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:49:22 PM

I voted for Ice/Bug. It seems like it'd be vaguely similar to a special Heracross. Obviously, it's not a great defensive type, Ice in itself is a terrible defensive type, but if it ends up being quick and powerful, that's not much of a problem.

EDIT: I completely forgot about Stealth Rock...

Cooper · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:52:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat cookie

we already have Scizor/Forretress for Steel/Bug, and Ice/Steel is a garbage typing. 4x weak to Fighting and Fire, 2x weak to Ground.

True, but Ice/Steel is still the only good choice. Fighting and Fire aren't exactly common attack types, and with the abundance of Stealth Rock dealing 50% damage on the switch....

And with the possibility of Heatproof as an ability....

Gothic Togekiss · Dec 6th, 2007, 7:59:27 PM

Steel/Ice and Bug/Ice make me cry, I somewhat pray that either one becomes A)Speedy offensive attacker, B) has some ability that actually relieve some of their weakness or C) More type combos to choice from.

I'm still iffy on picking a option at the time.

TaiwaneseDude · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:00:02 PM

Ice/Bug. I know stealth rock would totally kill it, but we haven't had one and its design would have to look awesome.

Abacus · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:02:38 PM

I vote ice/bug, on the condition that it's ability is: "This pokemon is immune to stealth rock." Maybe called blind-fight?

On the other hand, we aren't really debating abilities now. I still vote for ice/bug just because I find it neat, not any strategic reason.

xBLUEx · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:02:44 PM

ice/steel because it seems so cool despite being 4X weakness by fire and fighting and 2X weakness by ground.

Cooper · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

Steel/Ice and Bug/Ice make me cry, I somewhat pray that either one becomes A)Speedy offensive attacker, B) has some ability that actually relieve some of their weakness or C) More type combos to choice from.

A and B can't be known at this point in time, and C will never happen in the 1st Smogon "Create a Pokemon." I can't speak for the 2nd, if there is one.

blastoiselover100 · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:05:27 PM

I wanted Dragon/Bug but oh well. I voted Steel/Bug becasue it only has one weakness and the others have two 4x. Who the hell wants something like Parasect?

Andren · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:07:44 PM

Ice/Bug ftw! Bugs need more usable Pokes, and Steel/Bug is already good and common (as in Scizor and Forretress are commonly used currently).

Gothic Togekiss · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:08:02 PM

I vote for Steel/Ice since I pretty much know how that bastard would look like. Freaking fridge monster.

Wolt · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:08:09 PM

Ice/Steel sounds like a great idea. It gets rid of a few of Ice weaknesses, and still contains all the necessary resists. Levitate on it would be broken.

Gothic Togekiss · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Wolt

Levitate on it would be broken.

How would it make it broken when it got two 4x weakness though one of them is used more than the other.

blastoiselover100 · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:16:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Andren

Ice/Bug ftw! Bugs need more usable Pokes, and Steel/Bug is already good and common.

There are only two Steel/Bug types. I did not know that was common.

Andren · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:17:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat blastoiselover100

There are only two Steel/Bug types. I did not know that was common.

I meant it not like the typing was abundant, but that Scizor and Forretress are used frequently.

I'll edit that in now.

Acme · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:18:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cooper

True, but Ice/Steel is still the only good choice. Fighting and Fire aren't exactly common attack types, and with the abundance of Stealth Rock dealing 50% damage on the switch....

And with the possibility of Heatproof as an ability....

Wtf? Fire and Fighting are common as anything, you pretty much need a fire move to deal with steel walls.

I definitely have to go with Ice/Bug. The SR weakness doesn't kill it, thats what Rapid Spinners are for. Yanmega still sees play, and Ice/Bug is a nice stab combination as long as it gets a EQ as well to support it. ;D

futuresuperstar · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:20:36 PM

Technically, aren't there three? Scizor, Forretress, and Wormadam (Steel).

Suburvia · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:20:44 PM

I voted Ice/Bug. Sure, 50% SR weak sucks, like, A LOT, but there's always rapid spin and Wish, right? =/

Okay, so it kind of sucks, but I just can't get over the whole 4X weak to Fire/Fighting and 2x weak to Ground thing. That would totally kill it defensively, and as an offensive threat, Ice is an excellent STAB, but Steel, not so much. With Bug/Ice, at least the second STAB is half decent. I guess being part steel could help it come in due to the fact that it still has a myriad of resistances, but eh, just my opinion.

Spire · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:21:18 PM

I'm not too sure about the type coverage on steel/ice, Cooper. That's what, three types that resist both STAB's(Fire, Steel, Water)? Granted, defensive fire types aren't exactly a problem, but steels and waters are.
Ice is normal against electrics that resist steel though, and steel is SE against self resisting ice types. Even with that, I don't think really is all that great of type coverage, unless I'm missing something.

Mood4food77 · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:27:15 PM

ice/bug

speedy, high special attack, low everything else

rapid spinners are a must use with this thing

Chozo · Dec 6th, 2007, 8:33:36 PM

Ice/Bug. If we're going with awful type combos, let's go with something cool.

View Poll Results: What type should our new pokemon be?
Steel/Ice	69	35.03%
Steel/Bug	38	19.29%
Ice/Bug	74	37.56%
No dual typing, mono-Steel for the win	16	8.12%
Voters: 197. You may not vote on this poll

Dec 6th, 2007, 7:39:46 PM	#1
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	Smogon's 1st "Create a Pokemon": Poll 2 Okay, sorry I'm so late. Couldn't get on at school. Anyway.... That's right, boys and girls, it's poll 2, the conclusion to poll one. Last time you all voted for your favorite pokemon type, but now we need to decide whether you want dual typing or not. These are the winners from poll 1: 1st place - Steel 2nd place - Ice 3rd place - Bug A stunning upset from Ice to take second place, which just goes to show that anything can happen if you believe. Now we must choose: dual or mono? For reference, these are the weaknesses and resistances of each combo: Steel/Ice Weaknesses: 4x Fire, 4x Fighting, 2x Ground Resistances: 0.25x Ice, 0.5x Normal, 0.5x Flying, 0.5x Psychic, 0.5x Grass, 0.5x Bug, 0.5x Ghost, 0.5x Dragon, 0.5x Dark Immunities Poison --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steel/Bug Weaknesses: 4x Fire Resistances: 0.25x Grass, 0.5x Normal, 0.5x Psychic, 0.5x Bug, 0.5x Ghost, 0.5x Dragon, 0.5x Dark, 0.5x Steel, 0.5x Ice Immunities Poison --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bug/Ice Weaknesses: 4x Fire, 4x Rock, 2x Steel Resistances: 0.5x Grass, 0.5x Ice, 0.5x Ground Debate as much as you wish. I've provided the above calculations to help you in your decision. This poll will close in three days.

Dec 6th, 2007, 7:44:09 PM	#3
EconBiscuit Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,389 Inn-your-endo	I think Ice/Bug, I think Bug's lacking and needs more variety in what's its given. I can also quite easily imagine an Ice/Bug __________________ The Poster formerly known as Ghandi1988

Dec 6th, 2007, 7:59:27 PM	#8
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,484 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	Steel/Ice and Bug/Ice make me cry, I somewhat pray that either one becomes A)Speedy offensive attacker, B) has some ability that actually relieve some of their weakness or C) More type combos to choice from. I'm still iffy on picking a option at the time. __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?*

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:00:02 PM	#9
TaiwaneseDude Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 958 Hogwarts	Ice/Bug. I know stealth rock would totally kill it, but we haven't had one and its design would have to look awesome. __________________ Brawl FC: 0473-7480-4249 (Gary) * Let me know if you've added me! FC: 3179-3401-3486 (Gary) Shop Status: The Garage (temporary shop) I am EV-Training For You! Click for details.

Dec 6th, 2007, 7:42:27 PM	#2
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	I voted Steel/Ice, because that would be such an awesome type combo. It could have Steel's defenses and Ice's speed (hopefully). And type coverage would be good.

Dec 6th, 2007, 7:44:21 PM	#4
Syntacus Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 50	The only good one is bug/steel though its already been done twice.. I still vote for it.. 4x fight 4x fire 2x ground is lol and 4x rock speaks for it self.

Dec 6th, 2007, 7:44:24 PM	#5
cookie Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,037	we already have Scizor/Forretress for Steel/Bug, and Ice/Steel is a garbage typing. 4x weak to Fighting and Fire, 2x weak to Ground.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:02:38 PM	#10
Abacus Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 302	I vote ice/bug, on the condition that it's ability is: "This pokemon is immune to stealth rock." Maybe called blind-fight? On the other hand, we aren't really debating abilities now. I still vote for ice/bug just because I find it neat, not any strategic reason.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:02:44 PM	#11
xBLUEx Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 464 New York	ice/steel because it seems so cool despite being 4X weakness by fire and fighting and 2X weakness by ground. __________________ Pokémon Diamond Friend Code: 2535 0156 0895 Pokémon Platinum Friend Code: 5456 5370 2766 Pokémon SoulSilver Friend Code: 3481 5203 3275 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Friend Code: 3909 7393 3609 Use Platinum Friend Code for battles and trades

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:05:27 PM	#13
blastoiselover100 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 888 I am stupider than I look. Shocking, huh?	I wanted Dragon/Bug but oh well. I voted Steel/Bug becasue it only has one weakness and the others have two 4x. Who the hell wants something like Parasect? __________________ If you call me a dumbass, I call you observant. FC: 0130 0730 8491, PM me for a trade.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:07:44 PM	#14
Andren Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,054	Ice/Bug ftw! Bugs need more usable Pokes, and Steel/Bug is already good and common (as in Scizor and Forretress are commonly used currently). Last edited by Andren; Dec 6th, 2007 at 8:18:16 PM.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:08:02 PM	#15
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,484 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	I vote for Steel/Ice since I pretty much know how that bastard would look like. Freaking fridge monster. __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?*

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:08:09 PM	#16
Wolt Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,099 Moxee, WA.	Ice/Steel sounds like a great idea. It gets rid of a few of Ice weaknesses, and still contains all the necessary resists. Levitate on it would be broken. __________________ GET AT ME.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:20:36 PM	#21
futuresuperstar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 553 Los Angeles, CA	Technically, aren't there three? Scizor, Forretress, and Wormadam (Steel). __________________ Women came and went, but Metal Gear was forever.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:20:44 PM	#22
Suburvia Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 216 Canada	I voted Ice/Bug. Sure, 50% SR weak sucks, like, A LOT, but there's always rapid spin and Wish, right? =/ Okay, so it kind of sucks, but I just can't get over the whole 4X weak to Fire/Fighting and 2x weak to Ground thing. That would totally kill it defensively, and as an offensive threat, Ice is an excellent STAB, but Steel, not so much. With Bug/Ice, at least the second STAB is half decent. I guess being part steel could help it come in due to the fact that it still has a myriad of resistances, but eh, just my opinion.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:21:18 PM	#23
Spire Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8 R'lyeh	I'm not too sure about the type coverage on steel/ice, Cooper. That's what, three types that resist both STAB's(Fire, Steel, Water)? Granted, defensive fire types aren't exactly a problem, but steels and waters are. Ice is normal against electrics that resist steel though, and steel is SE against self resisting ice types. Even with that, I don't think really is all that great of type coverage, unless I'm missing something.

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:27:15 PM	#24
Mood4food77 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 279	ice/bug speedy, high special attack, low everything else rapid spinners are a must use with this thing

Dec 6th, 2007, 8:33:36 PM	#25
Chozo Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 492	Ice/Bug. If we're going with awful type combos, let's go with something cool. __________________ Diamond FC: 2234 5309 1771 Brawl FC: 1547 4852 9885 Chozo breeds and clones Pogemens big heap good. Jolly Dragonite: 30/31/31/10-11/31/31 (EV trained) Careful Curselax(Thick Fat): 22/31/31/x/29/x (EV trained)