Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Poll 5, part II

Cooper · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:20:00 PM

Because of the incredibly slim margin by which Mario with Lasers' stat spread won (1 vote), and the fact that the first three options didn't even come close to tying, I've decided to finalize things with a once-and-for-all death match! This poll will feature only Hyra's and MwL's spreads. There will be no second chances here, so make sure you choose wisely!

The ability poll is next on the list, and I'm pretty sure I know which abilities are going to be featured. Like this poll, it will be a two-parter, taking the top three abilities to another poll. But why am I talking about that now, when we need new move suggestions! Considering how incredibly poor our new Ice/Bug is defensively, it needs type coverage. Debate is needed for anew move.

Here are the explanations of the sets you have to vote on, for those of you that haven't already decided:

Hyra:

Quote:

Okay, these Stats are meant for a Mixed Bug Sweeper with main moves of Megahorn, Blizzard, and Earthquake. I obviously am designing for something that will end up with Compound Eyes.

The HP is the lowest one for a fully evolved Bug yet, but it is higher than Dusknoirs. This reduces the effect Stealth Rock will have on its defences.

The attack averages a 2HKO with Megahorn on Max HP no defense Bronzong, without a boosting nature. Bronzong is probably the most defensive thing it will be hitting with Megahorn, everything else is weak to another move, resistant to Megahorn, or both. It also has a guaranteed 2HKO on Blissey with Megahorn, we don't want a physical Sweeper being walled by Blissey.

The Special Attack scores a guaranteed 2HKO on Skarmory with Blizzard, but will rarely 2HKO it with Ice Beam. Everything else Blizzard will be used on will be something weak to it, exceptions being Dusknoir and Weezing. It will never 2HKO Max HP Dusknoir, even with Blizzard. Weezing takes more damage than Skarmory.

Speed is an awesome little stat. This guy will either sit nicely above the 120 Speed group or the 115 Speed group. With 123 Speed, he could also run an attack boosting nature if desired, because it would sit at 345 with Max Speed.

Defenses are made to be even, and fit within the range of the Bug group. The little boost given to defense is incase this becomes immune to Stealth Rock, I want it to have some ability to switch in on Earthquakes.

Mario with Lasers:

Quote:

HP: 70
Attack: 116 (being Naughty with 252 EVs, reaches 364, EXACTLY the needed to 2HKO Blissey (with 104 HP, Bold) with Megahorn)
Defense: 70
Sp. Atk: 114 (it's a mixed sweeper, anyway)
Sp. Def: 64
Speed: 121 (being Naive with 160 EVs, beats any Infernape)
Total: 555 (same as Arcanine's)

Now get voting! Because it is a follow-up and many of you have already picked your favorite, this poll will close in TWO days, not three.

Link to art thread. If you have a submission for what our pokemon will ultimately look like, post it there.

Cooper · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:22:32 PM

Voted for MwL's again. Also, for the recoil move? We were designing Volt Tackle....

Gothic Togekiss · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:26:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cooper

Voted for MwL's again. Also, for the recoil move? We were designing Volt Tackle....

*Le Gasp* Can it be =O

Vote for MwL too, he set looks nice overall.

Name: Ice Slash
Type: Ice
Physical
Power: 70
Acc: 100
PP: 15
Effect: High chance of critcal hitting

Like an Ice type version of Slash.

Thunder Head
Type: Electric
Physical
Power: 80
Acc: 100
PP: 15
Effect: 20% chance of paralyzing and/or flinching foe

Lawman · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:29:05 PM

Cross Chop perhaps? I'll try to think of several move suggestions...

Jenigmat · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:30:26 PM

Why not some sort of attack that represents the swarmingness of bugs, their ability to seek out the weaknesses of the opponent? Like, 50 Base Power, but it was physical and special based on whichever defense of your opponent was lower?

Goodbar · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:33:52 PM

MWL...I'd love magic guard on it too, it begin to get broken at that point though lol...

I am Gengar · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:47:24 PM

Mario with Lasers' spread ftw!

Lawman · Dec 19th, 2007, 7:55:58 PM

I'll just list out some moves that I would suggest (Not saying all should be used). I'm going to try and be realistic with this move pool, so dont go "ROFL n00b!" When I list Hyper Beam or Double Team, since almost every pokemon learns them >_>:

STAB Attacks:
Bug Bite
Bug Buzz
Megahorn
U-turn
X-scissor
Avalanche

Blizzard
Ice Beam
Ice Shard
Icy Wind
Powder Snow

Other attacks:
Faint Attack
Knock Off
Night Slash
Pursuit
Sucker Punch

Brick Break
Counter
Focus Blast
Reversal
Rock Smash

Aerial Ace

Dig

Body Slam
Cut (HM move, duh, lol)
Double Hit
Fake Out
Flail
Giga Impact (What? I wanna be realistic here >_>)
Hyper Beam (^^^^)
Headbutt
Quick Attack
Return
Rock Climb
Secret Power
Strength
Tackle
Take Down

Poison Jab

Psychic
Psycho Cut

Rock Slide
Rock Tomb

Iron Head

Support/Non-damage moves:
Taunt

Bulk Up
Detect

Sunny Day

Sand Attack

Hail

Attract
Copy Cat
Double Team
Endure
Focus Energy
Leer
Protect
Screech
Substitute
Swagger
Swords Dance

Rest
Skill Swap

Rain Dance

Just some of my suggestions from existing moves.

EconBiscuit · Dec 19th, 2007, 8:31:39 PM

Yes I know it's not create a move, but blame Gothic Togekiss. Anyways 555 set ftw

Name: Cuccoon
Type: Bug
Support
Power: N/A
Acc: N/A
PP: (Unsure of Roost PP)
Effect: Regains 50% of Health and removes Bug Type for turn of use.

Like an Bug type version of Roost.

Metamorphisise
Type: Bug
Support
Power: N/A
Acc.: 60%
Changes Bug Typing to resist the type of last attack

Always believed Bug's should have these abilities

Other move, which I've been given some thought, Which is like Marmite (either love it or hate it)

Name: Unsure
Type: Bug
Support
Power: N/A
Acc.: N/A
Effect: Splits the pokemon into 2 seperate entities at half stats. Only works in Double Battle

Bugs have always been an adaptive organism to any situation, I believe these moves show this.

Yoko Rains · Dec 19th, 2007, 8:49:40 PM

I like Mario's, but voted for Hyra's, as I like it better. Mario's is more distributed on HP and defenses, etc, but when you think about it, even with those defenses and HP, it still can't take a hit. Horrible typing adds to that. Hyra's however, is faster, and outspeeds a lot of stuff. It also has a significantly better attack stat.

junior · Dec 19th, 2007, 8:51:06 PM

Still liking the first one. Reasons on other thread I think.

Andren · Dec 19th, 2007, 8:52:35 PM

Voted Hyra again.

If you care about reasons, check the last thread.

MwL's still in the lead by 1 currently.

Yoko Rains · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:01:49 PM

Its in lead because people like the higher total lol =D

junior · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:05:35 PM

Total base stats are overrated. =P

Yoko Rains · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:10:27 PM

Exactly, but people are going to pick it anyway ("omg 555 total"). I like the first one better for reasons I listed in my other post.

Drakhun · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:14:04 PM

Definitely MwL, the logic '47 base hp reduces the effectiveness of Steal Rock' is absolute failure, in order for that to be a factor at all it would need base defences that matter. As it all it means is 'I die to random priority attacks if I switch in with SR. If blissy got quick attack it could splatter my inards all over the place.'

Base 70 HP at least gives it a chance to survive random priority moves, and get at least one hit in.

Yoko Rains · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:16:13 PM

Might be able to survive a hit. Defenses aren't that bulky really.

Hyra · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:18:04 PM

Well, I was going to vote for MwL. Then I realized the disservice it would do Arcanine. Some Pokemon should remain special, Arcanine is one of them. Also, I got to stick up for myself.

I have a feeling I will lose by alot this time. Almost everyone who voted for the 1st 3 spreads, especially Deck Knight's, will vote against me.

Lawman · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:22:30 PM

Oh, we are supposed to make NEW moves? My bad >_>

How about this:

Icy Charge
Type: Ice
Physical
BP: 120
Acc: 90
PP: 15

Effect: User Decreases Body Temperature dramatically, then charges towrad opponent for substantial damage. Heavy Recoil.

An Ice Type Double Edge/ Flare Blitz essentially.

Scout
Type Bug
Support
BP: -
AC: 90
PP: 10
Effect: User forces opponent to switch to another pokemon, and back to the original in one turn. Pokemon can still attack, but takes damage from external things such as spikes. Negative Priority however.

Freeze
Ice
Support
BP: -
AC: 85
PP: 15
Effect: Freezes the opponents item, rendering it useless, but is still held by the opponent.

Shed
Bug
Support
BP: -
AC: -
PP: 20
Effect: Speed is raised, while defense is lowered

Yeah, crappy names, I know >_>

~~Amandabynes~~ · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:26:41 PM

I voted for Hyra again. Because I fell the same way about Arcanine. Also I think it should have 1 stat under 50.

I am Gengar · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:27:59 PM

I like MwL's because it is more focused on Sp. Atk.

Yoko Rains · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:31:59 PM

Frost Bite
Type: Ice move

BP: --
Accuracy: 90

Effect: Freezes your opponents Pokemon.
-------

This move could be the ice version of Thunder Wave / Will-O-Wisp / Toxic?

Gothic Togekiss · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:35:35 PM

^ Didn't we already talked about a Ice version of Thunder Wave and how broken it could be?

Yoko Rains · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:46:24 PM

Sorry I must have missed it. Why would it be broken anyway?

Musashi1054 · Dec 19th, 2007, 9:49:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat eric the espeon

frz is a 10% chance every turn to thaw.
slp lasts for 2-5 turns.
you could trap pass then frz, or if it is the last pokemon.

View Poll Results: What will be the stats of our new pokemon? (speed last)
47/ 125/ 75/ 105/ 70/ 123 (Total 545)	72	40.22%
70/ 116/ 70/ 114/ 64/ 121 (Total 555)	107	59.78%
Voters: 179. You may not vote on this poll

Dec 19th, 2007, 7:29:05 PM	#4
Lawman Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,928 Illinois	Cross Chop perhaps? I'll try to think of several move suggestions... __________________ Good bye, Smogon. If I return, it shan't be soon.

Dec 19th, 2007, 7:55:58 PM	#8
Lawman Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,928 Illinois	I'll just list out some moves that I would suggest (Not saying all should be used). I'm going to try and be realistic with this move pool, so dont go "ROFL n00b!" When I list Hyper Beam or Double Team, since almost every pokemon learns them >_>: STAB Attacks: Bug Bite Bug Buzz Megahorn U-turn X-scissor Avalanche Blizzard Ice Beam Ice Shard Icy Wind Powder Snow Other attacks: Faint Attack Knock Off Night Slash Pursuit Sucker Punch Brick Break Counter Focus Blast Reversal Rock Smash Aerial Ace Dig Body Slam Cut (HM move, duh, lol) Double Hit Fake Out Flail Giga Impact (What? I wanna be realistic here >_>) Hyper Beam (^^^^) Headbutt Quick Attack Return Rock Climb Secret Power Strength Tackle Take Down Poison Jab Psychic Psycho Cut Rock Slide Rock Tomb Iron Head Support/Non-damage moves: Taunt Bulk Up Detect Sunny Day Sand Attack Hail Attract Copy Cat Double Team Endure Focus Energy Leer Protect Screech Substitute Swagger Swords Dance Rest Skill Swap Rain Dance Just some of my suggestions from existing moves. __________________ Good bye, Smogon. If I return, it shan't be soon.

Dec 19th, 2007, 8:31:39 PM	#9
EconBiscuit Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,389 Inn-your-endo	Yes I know it's not create a move, but blame Gothic Togekiss. Anyways 555 set ftw Name: Cuccoon Type: Bug Support Power: N/A Acc: N/A PP: (Unsure of Roost PP) Effect: Regains 50% of Health and removes Bug Type for turn of use. Like an Bug type version of Roost. Metamorphisise Type: Bug Support Power: N/A Acc.: 60% Changes Bug Typing to resist the type of last attack Always believed Bug's should have these abilities Other move, which I've been given some thought, Which is like Marmite (either love it or hate it) Name: Unsure Type: Bug Support Power: N/A Acc.: N/A Effect: Splits the pokemon into 2 seperate entities at half stats. Only works in Double Battle Bugs have always been an adaptive organism to any situation, I believe these moves show this. __________________ The Poster formerly known as Ghandi1988 Last edited by EconBiscuit; Dec 19th, 2007 at 8:33:44 PM.

Dec 19th, 2007, 8:49:40 PM	#10
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	I like Mario's, but voted for Hyra's, as I like it better. Mario's is more distributed on HP and defenses, etc, but when you think about it, even with those defenses and HP, it still can't take a hit. Horrible typing adds to that. Hyra's however, is faster, and outspeeds a lot of stuff. It also has a significantly better attack stat. __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it! Last edited by Yoko Rains; Dec 19th, 2007 at 8:54:51 PM.

Dec 19th, 2007, 7:22:32 PM	#2
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	Voted for MwL's again. Also, for the recoil move? We were designing Volt Tackle....

Dec 19th, 2007, 7:30:26 PM	#5
Jenigmat Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 769	Why not some sort of attack that represents the swarmingness of bugs, their ability to seek out the weaknesses of the opponent? Like, 50 Base Power, but it was physical and special based on whichever defense of your opponent was lower?

Dec 19th, 2007, 7:33:52 PM	#6
Goodbar Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,591 ^ brought to you by Cartoons!	MWL...I'd love magic guard on it too, it begin to get broken at that point though lol...

Dec 19th, 2007, 8:51:06 PM	#11
junior the ugly years of being a fool, ain't youth meant to be beautiful? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,105 Location: Sydney, Australia	Still liking the first one. Reasons on other thread I think. __________________ Last edited by junior; Dec 19th, 2007 at 8:56:01 PM.

Dec 19th, 2007, 8:52:35 PM	#12
Andren Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,054	Voted Hyra again. If you care about reasons, check the last thread. MwL's still in the lead by 1 currently.

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:01:49 PM	#13
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	Its in lead because people like the higher total lol =D __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:05:35 PM	#14
junior the ugly years of being a fool, ain't youth meant to be beautiful? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,105 Location: Sydney, Australia	Total base stats are overrated. =P __________________

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:10:27 PM	#15
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	Exactly, but people are going to pick it anyway ("omg 555 total"). I like the first one better for reasons I listed in my other post. __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:14:04 PM	#16
Drakhun Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 314 USA	Definitely MwL, the logic '47 base hp reduces the effectiveness of Steal Rock' is absolute failure, in order for that to be a factor at all it would need base defences that matter. As it all it means is 'I die to random priority attacks if I switch in with SR. If blissy got quick attack it could splatter my inards all over the place.' Base 70 HP at least gives it a chance to survive random priority moves, and get at least one hit in.

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:16:13 PM	#17
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	Might be able to survive a hit. Defenses aren't that bulky really. __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:22:30 PM	#19
Lawman Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,928 Illinois	Oh, we are supposed to make NEW moves? My bad >_> How about this: Icy Charge Type: Ice Physical BP: 120 Acc: 90 PP: 15 Effect: User Decreases Body Temperature dramatically, then charges towrad opponent for substantial damage. Heavy Recoil. An Ice Type Double Edge/ Flare Blitz essentially. Scout Type Bug Support BP: - AC: 90 PP: 10 Effect: User forces opponent to switch to another pokemon, and back to the original in one turn. Pokemon can still attack, but takes damage from external things such as spikes. Negative Priority however. Freeze Ice Support BP: - AC: 85 PP: 15 Effect: Freezes the opponents item, rendering it useless, but is still held by the opponent. Shed Bug Support BP: - AC: - PP: 20 Effect: Speed is raised, while defense is lowered Yeah, crappy names, I know >_> __________________ Good bye, Smogon. If I return, it shan't be soon.

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:26:41 PM	#20
~~Amandabynes~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 181	I voted for Hyra again. Because I fell the same way about Arcanine. Also I think it should have 1 stat under 50.

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:31:59 PM	#22
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	Frost Bite Type: Ice move BP: -- Accuracy: 90 Effect: Freezes your opponents Pokemon. ------- This move could be the ice version of Thunder Wave / Will-O-Wisp / Toxic? __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:35:35 PM	#23
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,484 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	^ Didn't we already talked about a Ice version of Thunder Wave and how broken it could be? __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?*

Dec 19th, 2007, 9:46:24 PM	#24
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	Sorry I must have missed it. Why would it be broken anyway? __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!