Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Poll 6, part 2 - Page 2

junior · Dec 25th, 2007, 1:08:46 AM

Well, all of these abilities has their positive and negatives. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

eric the espeon · Dec 25th, 2007, 5:19:34 AM

wow snow warning is wining, but only by 1, i havent chosen which ability to go for yet, i wish the sprite was made by now then it would be easy to choose.

lolerlol · Dec 25th, 2007, 5:24:37 AM

Definitely Ice Shell. It lets the bug switch in a whole lot more which means a whole lot more pain.

junior · Dec 25th, 2007, 8:28:00 AM

Hmm.. question, if the last two ties (as it is right now), what would happen?

eric the espeon · Dec 25th, 2007, 8:59:13 AM

i would asume cooper would have the decideing vote, i have not voted yet so i could breack the tie

dragonsyth1 · Dec 25th, 2007, 9:04:16 AM

how about it having 2 options...like yanmega can have speed boost or tinted lens.

still wish snow cloak was considered...

EDIT: I thought ice shell blocked spikes/toxic spikes/stealth rock, ALL ROCK TYPES is a little to good i think...

Drakhun · Dec 25th, 2007, 9:19:32 AM

The way you changed Ice Shell is dumb. Making it only avoid SR makes no sense, if it can avoid that it should stock all spikes. Second, why would it only be immune to rock for a brief second? Third, you shouldn't chage the ability halfway through the poll. Fourth: It makes no sense to be immune to rock when switching, but no other time.

I shall vote later.

eric the espeon · Dec 25th, 2007, 9:47:28 AM

dragonsyth1 and drakhun are right cooper. it it avoids traps it avoids traps, you cant make this ability so it fits exactly with what the pokemon needs. dont change it please.

Arzamo · Dec 25th, 2007, 10:39:11 AM

God, this is so broken with any of those abilities. This should have Tinted Lens or something...

TerrickTerran · Dec 25th, 2007, 11:19:20 AM

This pokemon is just broken plain and simple. Superb stats, great movepool and a top notch ability.

**Deck Knight** · Dec 25th, 2007, 11:49:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TerrickTerran

This pokemon is just broken plain and simple. Superb stats, great movepool and a top notch ability.

This thing is basically Lucario only immune to Hail instead of Sandstorm. Short of getting EQ it won't do jack to fire types, it gets OHKO'd by most Steel walls, and Blissey walls it fairly well too.

serebii_attacker · Dec 25th, 2007, 1:15:20 PM

I voted snow warning, man i wish i could take that vote back... actually bug and ice switch in on sr and all other rock types with ice shell would be devastating. Other wise Snow warning is perfect.

Yoko Rains · Dec 25th, 2007, 1:16:02 PM

Terrick, how is it broken? Agreeing with what Deck Knight said.

If this is broken to you, many already existing Pokemon in the Metagame should also be broken in your view.

Xyra · Dec 25th, 2007, 1:20:23 PM

Ehm i voted for Compoundeyes
Because:
1. Thats only 1 pokemon not taking damage from SR
2. Yanma FTW
3. 91% Bliyyard is enough too
4. 33 % KO attacks -.-

Yoko Rains · Dec 25th, 2007, 1:22:03 PM

Xyra, I can understand all your reasons, but the first one seems kind of weird lol

Yeah its only one Pokemon, but this guy will be owned, mark my words, owned if Stealth Rock is up against you. If you have to switch him in, you lose 50% of your health.

Hyra · Dec 25th, 2007, 1:39:09 PM

lol, I think we are going to have a Poll 6, Part 3 at this rate. Almost no one else likes the change to Ice Shell, meaning most of them want to repeal their votes.

Yoko Rains · Dec 25th, 2007, 2:20:01 PM

He editted the change to Ice Shell on 8th post (not including OP). Thats early enough for people to know, I barely saw any votes before he made that change.

Hyra · Dec 25th, 2007, 2:22:01 PM

haha, people read posts before voting?

Yeah, most people don't.

serebii_attacker · Dec 25th, 2007, 2:22:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Xyra

Ehm i voted for Compoundeyes
Because:
1. Thats only 1 pokemon not taking damage from SR
2. Yanma FTW
3. 91% Bliyyard is enough too
4. 33 % KO attacks -.-

just dont forget most play with standard rules: ie no OHKO moves. Ie no Sheer Cold. Kind of a waste IMO.

Derek(PUK) · Dec 25th, 2007, 2:23:18 PM

I really only voted ice sheel for the no SR =P

Cooper · Dec 25th, 2007, 3:40:22 PM

It's actually very possible for me to change Ice Shell at this point. Here's why:

1) SR completely kills this thing specifically. Spikes kill everything, so why should this pokemon be any different?

2) Blocking all Rock moves for the turn is in no way broken. What Rock moves are used in the metagame? Let's see... Stealth Rock, Stone Edge, Rock Head. How many pokemon use those? Any wall will use SR once, Tyranitar, Aerodactyl, and Rampardos. How common are Aero and Rampy? Not very. Coming in on DDBoah using SE isn't very likely, and even if it is, the chances of OHKOing it aren't good.

3) I gave everyone fair warning about this change. It's in size 6, red font on the front page for Christ sake!

4) It's my program and I can do whatever the hell I want *crosses arms and sticks out tongue*.

If people really want another ability poll, fine. But I was under the impression people wanted Ice Shell to block SR. Spikes and TS were just a bonus.

Gothic Togekiss · Dec 25th, 2007, 4:46:11 PM

If this ability turns into "No fucking damage from Rocks, PERIOD" then I'll laugh and smile.

Deucalion2 · Dec 25th, 2007, 5:02:09 PM

That ability makes no sense. No damage from any Rocks on switching in? Why is switching in so special? Why not just give it Rock Absorb, and finish the job off. IMO, being able to switch into TTar, Gyara, Hippo, etc, without taking one bit of damage if you predict right, is shattered beyond belief.

Just make it no indirect damage on entry to battle, ie, SR, TS, Spikes. Simple, easy, isn't broken, and makes sense.

Sunday · Dec 25th, 2007, 5:19:44 PM

*sigh*, the made up ability is going to win...

Remind me what's the logic behid not taking damage from SR on switchins again? As in in the world of pogeys, is there some kind of reason that makes it invulnerable?

Cooper · Dec 25th, 2007, 5:22:03 PM

What's are any of the pokemon wielding Stone Edge going to be using it on? Anything that flys? They all have better things to be doing while Skarm sits on the field, like stat-upping or switching out. TS is stupid, the only pokemon using it being Forretress. If you need something to help you avoid three layers of spikes, try a new team. No, this new Ice Shell (it will be called Mountaineer in the future) is perfect for our new pokemon. It's situational and doesn't allow for excessive switching, which isn't common for mixed sweepers anyway.

View Poll Results: What will be the ability of our new pokemon?
Compound Eyes	43	29.25%
Ice Shell	67	45.58%
Snow Warning	37	25.17%
Voters: 147. You may not vote on this poll

Dec 25th, 2007, 1:08:46 AM	#26
junior the ugly years of being a fool, ain't youth meant to be beautiful? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,105 Location: Sydney, Australia	Well, all of these abilities has their positive and negatives. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. __________________

Dec 25th, 2007, 5:19:34 AM	#27
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	wow snow warning is wining, but only by 1, i havent chosen which ability to go for yet, i wish the sprite was made by now then it would be easy to choose. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Dec 25th, 2007, 8:28:00 AM	#29
junior the ugly years of being a fool, ain't youth meant to be beautiful? Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,105 Location: Sydney, Australia	Hmm.. question, if the last two ties (as it is right now), what would happen? __________________

Dec 25th, 2007, 8:59:13 AM	#30
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	i would asume cooper would have the decideing vote, i have not voted yet so i could breack the tie __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Dec 25th, 2007, 5:24:37 AM	#28
lolerlol Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 53 lol	Definitely Ice Shell. It lets the bug switch in a whole lot more which means a whole lot more pain.

Dec 25th, 2007, 9:04:16 AM	#31
dragonsyth1 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,629 California	how about it having 2 options...like yanmega can have speed boost or tinted lens. still wish snow cloak was considered... EDIT: I thought ice shell blocked spikes/toxic spikes/stealth rock, ALL ROCK TYPES is a little to good i think... __________________ Deviant Art\| Drawings Last edited by dragonsyth1; Dec 25th, 2007 at 9:06:27 AM.

Dec 25th, 2007, 9:19:32 AM	#32
Drakhun Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 314 USA	The way you changed Ice Shell is dumb. Making it only avoid SR makes no sense, if it can avoid that it should stock all spikes. Second, why would it only be immune to rock for a brief second? Third, you shouldn't chage the ability halfway through the poll. Fourth: It makes no sense to be immune to rock when switching, but no other time. I shall vote later.

Dec 25th, 2007, 9:47:28 AM	#33
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	dragonsyth1 and drakhun are right cooper. it it avoids traps it avoids traps, you cant make this ability so it fits exactly with what the pokemon needs. dont change it please. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Dec 25th, 2007, 10:39:11 AM	#34
Arzamo Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 317 #vark	God, this is so broken with any of those abilities. This should have Tinted Lens or something... __________________ P: 2577-9630-3448; Pt: 5284-7637-0795 \| Trade Thread (dead, PM me for a trade for something) Naive Azelf, 27/31/31/26/22/31, HP Ground 70 (RNG'ed, not listed in thread, PM me to trade)

Dec 25th, 2007, 11:19:20 AM	#35
TerrickTerran Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 371	This pokemon is just broken plain and simple. Superb stats, great movepool and a top notch ability.

Dec 25th, 2007, 1:15:20 PM	#37
serebii_attacker Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 160 The Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the 16 year old girls are FBI Agents.	I voted snow warning, man i wish i could take that vote back... actually bug and ice switch in on sr and all other rock types with ice shell would be devastating. Other wise Snow warning is perfect. __________________ "And as the hyper beam was unleashed from Gyrados, it barolls through the ghost of Umbreon. A double team can be deadly. The last glimpse of Umbreon's payback sends Gyrados falling." -From my short story Section 6. Battle FC- 4297 0537 7747 *All battles will be put on Youtube* Last edited by serebii_attacker; Dec 25th, 2007 at 1:17:59 PM.

Dec 25th, 2007, 1:16:02 PM	#38
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	Terrick, how is it broken? Agreeing with what Deck Knight said. If this is broken to you, many already existing Pokemon in the Metagame should also be broken in your view. __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!

Dec 25th, 2007, 1:20:23 PM	#39
Xyra Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,583	Ehm i voted for Compoundeyes Because: 1. Thats only 1 pokemon not taking damage from SR 2. Yanma FTW 3. 91% Bliyyard is enough too 4. 33 % KO attacks -.-

Dec 25th, 2007, 1:22:03 PM	#40
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	Xyra, I can understand all your reasons, but the first one seems kind of weird lol Yeah its only one Pokemon, but this guy will be owned, mark my words, owned if Stealth Rock is up against you. If you have to switch him in, you lose 50% of your health. __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!

Dec 25th, 2007, 2:20:01 PM	#42
Yoko Rains Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,947 Does it matter?	He editted the change to Ice Shell on 8th post (not including OP). Thats early enough for people to know, I barely saw any votes before he made that change. __________________ \| Destruction \| Breed for me! \| Friend Code \| UWX \| Get up to 12 Pokemon as reward for breeding for me! PM me about it!

Dec 25th, 2007, 2:23:18 PM	#45
Derek(PUK) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 571 Canada, Eh?	I really only voted ice sheel for the no SR =P __________________ There are many levels of skill, but only one level of effort.

Dec 25th, 2007, 3:40:22 PM	#46
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	It's actually very possible for me to change Ice Shell at this point. Here's why: 1) SR completely kills this thing specifically. Spikes kill everything, so why should this pokemon be any different? 2) Blocking all Rock moves for the turn is in no way broken. What Rock moves are used in the metagame? Let's see... Stealth Rock, Stone Edge, Rock Head. How many pokemon use those? Any wall will use SR once, Tyranitar, Aerodactyl, and Rampardos. How common are Aero and Rampy? Not very. Coming in on DDBoah using SE isn't very likely, and even if it is, the chances of OHKOing it aren't good. 3) I gave everyone fair warning about this change. It's in size 6, red font on the front page for Christ sake! 4) It's my program and I can do whatever the hell I want crosses arms and sticks out tongue. If people really want another ability poll, fine. But I was under the impression people wanted Ice Shell to block SR. Spikes and TS were just a bonus.

Dec 25th, 2007, 4:46:11 PM	#47
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,484 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	If this ability turns into "No fucking damage from Rocks, PERIOD" then I'll laugh and smile. __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?* Last edited by Gothic Togekiss; Dec 25th, 2007 at 5:07:27 PM.

Dec 25th, 2007, 5:19:44 PM	#49
Sunday Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,193 Australia	sigh, the made up ability is going to win... Remind me what's the logic behid not taking damage from SR on switchins again? As in in the world of pogeys, is there some kind of reason that makes it invulnerable? __________________ Last edited by Sunday; Dec 25th, 2007 at 5:22:25 PM.

Dec 25th, 2007, 5:22:03 PM	#50
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	What's are any of the pokemon wielding Stone Edge going to be using it on? Anything that flys? They all have better things to be doing while Skarm sits on the field, like stat-upping or switching out. TS is stupid, the only pokemon using it being Forretress. If you need something to help you avoid three layers of spikes, try a new team. No, this new Ice Shell (it will be called Mountaineer in the future) is perfect for our new pokemon. It's situational and doesn't allow for excessive switching, which isn't common for mixed sweepers anyway.