(Tournament) The OFFICIAL ASB Singles Tournament #1 Thread - Page 2

Spenstar · May 24th, 2011, 5:23:48 PM

I actually do agree, and I suspect I got a PM because my team was not edited in anyway. Not much we can do now, but this really sucks for people who didn't PM in on time or were sleeping due to their time zones...

Dogfish44 · May 24th, 2011, 5:33:04 PM

Aahh, I never even saw the post. I just saw the PM and instantly replied (Being a ref helped though).

Yeah, 13 hours is bad. If people have had teams effected this is unfair, and I think we should all resend in teams (48 hours or 24 seems good), and randomise the opponents again.

Ofc, if there are no real complaints we might as well carry on.

Pippy · May 24th, 2011, 6:02:19 PM

Heh, didn't make it in. : (

DarkSlay · May 24th, 2011, 6:03:16 PM

I am not sure where the "13 hours" part is coming in. Every single participant involved in this tournament received a PM at around this time:

May 22nd, 2011, 8:52:28 PM

That is Eastern time. That definitely looks like more than 13 hours to me. That looks like almost 27, actually. Regardless of whether the rule was posted immediately, all members were aware of this 27 hours before closing time. There's no miscommunication here. Everyone else, including Australians, Italians, and fellow people from GB were able to put in their Pokemon on time and knew that it was to be done this way. 27 hours is plenty of time to PM Engineer or even myself the names of two of your starting Pokemon. Ask the other 43 or so participants who put theirs in on time.

To be honest, it was either we RNG rolled your Pokemon or you would have an auto-DQ. We decided not to go with the latter to still give you an even chance to participate. I'm sorry if you did not submit your Pokemon Arcanite, but it's the rules that were clearly told to all individuals.

smashlloyd20 · May 24th, 2011, 6:35:36 PM

Yeah, my Bronzong has his Porygon completely shut down. Then Machamp can eat his Ducklett.

So how are your matches going?

Galladiator · May 24th, 2011, 6:43:22 PM

Haven't started yet, but I think I've already got a bit of an advantage: it's my Gallade and HP Ice Jolteon against his Steelix and Bayleef.

smashlloyd20 · May 24th, 2011, 6:50:25 PM

Tbh that match will be decided on the coinflip for who sends out first. If he can work it so that it's Bayleef vs. Gallade and Jolteon vs. Steelix, you will probably lose. If you can work it so that you get Gallade up against Steelix and Bayleef vs. Jolteon, you'll probably win. Simple.

Galladiator · May 24th, 2011, 7:11:40 PM

It's already up, he picked Bayleef first, and I sent out Jolteon.

Venser · May 24th, 2011, 7:27:07 PM

yeah, i'm locked into cyclohm vs. ttar and then breloom vs. serperior. Mediocre in both cases.

Rising_Dusk · May 24th, 2011, 8:08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Darkslay

I am not sure where the "13 hours" part is coming in. Every single participant involved in this tournament received a PM at around this time:

May 22nd, 2011, 8:52:28 PM

That is Eastern time. That definitely looks like more than 13 hours to me. That looks like almost 27, actually. Regardless of whether the rule was posted immediately, all members were aware of this 27 hours before closing time. There's no miscommunication here. Everyone else, including Australians, Italians, and fellow people from GB were able to put in their Pokemon on time and knew that it was to be done this way. 27 hours is plenty of time to PM Engineer or even myself the names of two of your starting Pokemon. Ask the other 43 or so participants who put theirs in on time.

Believe it or not, not everyone has vB notifications turned on. You should never, ever rely exclusively on them, and official correspondence should only ever be through the forums. The ~13 hours I refer to is the difference between the posting of this post notifying participants that they need to PM teams and this post starting the tournament. May 23rd, 2011, 8:31:09 PM followed by May 24th, 2011, 12:22:39 AM are the two times. On second look, that's not even a full 4 hours. Regardless of the PMs, which are never reliable, there should have been 24 full hours (1 day) between the two posts to give players ample time to send in their teams.

I'm not asking for a change of the brackets or the allowance for people to change their teams. I'm raising hell so this doesn't happen again, and as a CAP moderator I can and am obliged to raise hell so that you guys know what is and is not OK. We have participants in these things around the globe, and everyone deserves equal opportunity to get their chosen teams or what-have-you in before it's closed. That's all. Don't argue it, don't tell me I'm wrong, just deal with it and make sure that this never happens again. This will be my only warning in the matter.

Venser · May 24th, 2011, 8:14:23 PM

I was under the impression that PMs were the mode of correspondence because they have something that lets you see if it's been read yet. No? Isn't that more reliable than a thread which they may or may not click on?

Rising_Dusk · May 24th, 2011, 8:36:39 PM

PMs can be missed and receipts don't matter if you're only waiting a certain period of time anyway. The forum thread provides public correspondence that anyone can verify, especially in threads that participants follow religiously. CAP has always operated under the pretense that 24 hours via forum thread are given to users because of our worldwide following. PMs can and likely should be used in addition to the thread, but the thread matters most.

IceBug · May 24th, 2011, 10:00:04 PM

"Hey look, there's a ton of dragons! Vanillish will totally work better than Bolderdash in that case!"

*submit*

"Hey look, pairings are up, let's see...Magneton and Marshtomp...y'know, this is WHY I got Technician Giga Drain and Mud Shot..."

*table flip*

Good luck to everyone.

Spenstar · May 24th, 2011, 10:46:47 PM

It's my Revenankh and Starmie against Shadoo's Nidoqueen and Lickilicky. I'm pretty sure I have the advantage, but IDK for sure

Temperantia · May 24th, 2011, 10:54:41 PM

Lol you think?

Starmie has two STABs that mess up Nidoqueen, while Revenakh has an SE STAB against Lickilicky and is immune to its STAB...

If it's the other way around, then Revenakh still has a good front against Nidoqueen and resists Poison, while Starmie and Lickilicky are a much closer match...

Athenodoros · May 24th, 2011, 11:01:35 PM

As another issue people seem to have, it seems to be a ridiculous disadvantage to go first at the moment. Because people tend to have two Pokemon that work well together, they generally have a situation where whoever sends out their Pokemon first loses both matchups. Can I suggest nominating your first Pokemon in PM to the ref? It would eliminate this, and I think it is worth doing because many matches look like they are being decided purely on that coin toss.

Spenstar · May 24th, 2011, 11:08:12 PM

That is actually an amazing idea, and I think it should be implemented from here on in to erase the coin toss thingy altogether. The toss would be for who attacks first, first. It'd be a lot more fair in more matchups

danmantincan · May 24th, 2011, 11:17:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Athenodoros

As another issue people seem to have, it seems to be a ridiculous disadvantage to go first at the moment. Because people tend to have two Pokemon that work well together, they generally have a situation where whoever sends out their Pokemon first loses both matchups. Can I suggest nominating your first Pokemon in PM to the ref? It would eliminate this, and I think it is worth doing because many matches look like they are being decided purely on that coin toss.

I would definitely support this in future match-ups. I've looked through some of the battles and that once coin toss looks like it could have just decided some of the matches.

smashlloyd20 · May 24th, 2011, 11:17:58 PM

I agree. See my post above for an example, basically whoever wins the coin toss has a massive advantage because then both matchups will be in their favor.

Flora · May 24th, 2011, 11:21:44 PM

So we're going to change the process? I haven't reffed my matches yet so I'd like to know.

edit: oh future, well okay. I guess I'll make this post say I agree with the "give the players a right to choose their Pokemon when battling" idea going on!

Son_of_Shadoo · May 25th, 2011, 3:19:03 AM

Just saying, I got no such PM. Or if I did, I can't find it.

Its_A_Random · May 25th, 2011, 5:58:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat smashlloyd20

Well, looks like I got the only 'easy' match...

How about me? I have an easy one as well...

~~shadowbone66~~ · May 25th, 2011, 6:01:45 AM

Dan has it easy as well. x.x

Nightmare Jigglypuff · May 25th, 2011, 1:29:05 PM

I believe i'll have a hard time with this round...

Galladiator · May 25th, 2011, 2:42:04 PM

Started my match against Doran yesterday morning. Still waiting for a reply. (Maybe he's scared of my Jolteon.)

May 24th, 2011, 5:23:48 PM	#26
Spenstar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,138 New York	I actually do agree, and I suspect I got a PM because my team was not edited in anyway. Not much we can do now, but this really sucks for people who didn't PM in on time or were sleeping due to their time zones... __________________ My team of awesome! 22:20 Terrador wow 22:21 Terrador You just found a use for Rage. 22:21 Terrador Congratulations. 22:21 Spenstar yes, yes I did 8) 22:21 UllarWarlord applause

May 24th, 2011, 5:33:04 PM	#27
Dogfish44 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,359 Deity of Misfortune	Aahh, I never even saw the post. I just saw the PM and instantly replied (Being a ref helped though). Yeah, 13 hours is bad. If people have had teams effected this is unfair, and I think we should all resend in teams (48 hours or 24 seems good), and randomise the opponents again. Ofc, if there are no real complaints we might as well carry on. __________________ CAPASB Team & Reffing Profile ASB Ruling? It might be here! 02:47:37 AM ~ <%Objection> i'm neutral on boobs

May 24th, 2011, 6:02:19 PM	#28
Pippy Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 645 Lick Lick Lick	Heh, didn't make it in. : ( __________________ The Pokemon Rangers A group devoted to peace and having fun!

May 24th, 2011, 6:03:16 PM	#29
DarkSlay Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,187 Location: CAP, C&C, or RMT!	I am not sure where the "13 hours" part is coming in. Every single participant involved in this tournament received a PM at around this time: May 22nd, 2011, 8:52:28 PM That is Eastern time. That definitely looks like more than 13 hours to me. That looks like almost 27, actually. Regardless of whether the rule was posted immediately, all members were aware of this 27 hours before closing time. There's no miscommunication here. Everyone else, including Australians, Italians, and fellow people from GB were able to put in their Pokemon on time and knew that it was to be done this way. 27 hours is plenty of time to PM Engineer or even myself the names of two of your starting Pokemon. Ask the other 43 or so participants who put theirs in on time. To be honest, it was either we RNG rolled your Pokemon or you would have an auto-DQ. We decided not to go with the latter to still give you an even chance to participate. I'm sorry if you did not submit your Pokemon Arcanite, but it's the rules that were clearly told to all individuals. __________________ [23:49:15] <orcinus> potato potato [23:49:16] <orcinus> that really [23:49:23] <orcinus> doesn't have the same effect as when you say it out loud

May 24th, 2011, 6:35:36 PM	#30
smashlloyd20 Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,814 Erry day im HEAD SMASHING	Yeah, my Bronzong has his Porygon completely shut down. Then Machamp can eat his Ducklett. So how are your matches going? __________________ Ten million fireflies

May 24th, 2011, 6:43:22 PM	#31
Galladiator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,874 Waiting for the winds of change to sweep the clouds away	Haven't started yet, but I think I've already got a bit of an advantage: it's my Gallade and HP Ice Jolteon against his Steelix and Bayleef. __________________ 14:15 Ragnarokalex i do believe its time to hit some children with sticks

May 24th, 2011, 6:50:25 PM	#32
smashlloyd20 Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,814 Erry day im HEAD SMASHING	Tbh that match will be decided on the coinflip for who sends out first. If he can work it so that it's Bayleef vs. Gallade and Jolteon vs. Steelix, you will probably lose. If you can work it so that you get Gallade up against Steelix and Bayleef vs. Jolteon, you'll probably win. Simple. __________________ Ten million fireflies

May 24th, 2011, 7:11:40 PM	#33
Galladiator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,874 Waiting for the winds of change to sweep the clouds away	It's already up, he picked Bayleef first, and I sent out Jolteon. __________________ 14:15 Ragnarokalex i do believe its time to hit some children with sticks

May 24th, 2011, 7:27:07 PM	#34
Venser Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,593 #capasb	yeah, i'm locked into cyclohm vs. ttar and then breloom vs. serperior. Mediocre in both cases. __________________ last.fm

May 24th, 2011, 8:14:23 PM	#36
Venser Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,593 #capasb	I was under the impression that PMs were the mode of correspondence because they have something that lets you see if it's been read yet. No? Isn't that more reliable than a thread which they may or may not click on? __________________ last.fm

May 24th, 2011, 8:36:39 PM	#37
Rising_Dusk Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,742	PMs can be missed and receipts don't matter if you're only waiting a certain period of time anyway. The forum thread provides public correspondence that anyone can verify, especially in threads that participants follow religiously. CAP has always operated under the pretense that 24 hours via forum thread are given to users because of our worldwide following. PMs can and likely should be used in addition to the thread, but the thread matters most.

May 24th, 2011, 10:00:04 PM	#38
IceBug Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 536	"Hey look, there's a ton of dragons! Vanillish will totally work better than Bolderdash in that case!" submit "Hey look, pairings are up, let's see...Magneton and Marshtomp...y'know, this is WHY I got Technician Giga Drain and Mud Shot..." table flip Good luck to everyone. __________________ Obligatory Link to ASB Team!

May 24th, 2011, 10:46:47 PM	#39
Spenstar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,138 New York	It's my Revenankh and Starmie against Shadoo's Nidoqueen and Lickilicky. I'm pretty sure I have the advantage, but IDK for sure __________________ My team of awesome! 22:20 Terrador wow 22:21 Terrador You just found a use for Rage. 22:21 Terrador Congratulations. 22:21 Spenstar yes, yes I did 8) 22:21 UllarWarlord applause

May 24th, 2011, 10:54:41 PM	#40
Temperantia Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,719	Lol you think? Starmie has two STABs that mess up Nidoqueen, while Revenakh has an SE STAB against Lickilicky and is immune to its STAB... If it's the other way around, then Revenakh still has a good front against Nidoqueen and resists Poison, while Starmie and Lickilicky are a much closer match... __________________ Restless souls will put on their dancing shoes Mindless ghouls with lots of limbs to lose Illusionist Contortionist Tightrope walker tightening the noose

May 24th, 2011, 11:01:35 PM	#41
Athenodoros Official Smogon Know-It-All Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4,705 It was in my sleeve the WHOLE TIME!	As another issue people seem to have, it seems to be a ridiculous disadvantage to go first at the moment. Because people tend to have two Pokemon that work well together, they generally have a situation where whoever sends out their Pokemon first loses both matchups. Can I suggest nominating your first Pokemon in PM to the ref? It would eliminate this, and I think it is worth doing because many matches look like they are being decided purely on that coin toss. __________________ I mentioned that I wasn't going to be on much because the new house has no interwebz, but it now turns out it could be any time until the 4th of April, which means (weirdly) that I'll mostly be available whenever I'm at university - not so much during the weekends and nights. But I'll see what I can do. EDIT: Fucking Hard Drive broke. IRC doesn't look like it's going to happen for a while.

May 24th, 2011, 11:08:12 PM	#42
Spenstar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,138 New York	That is actually an amazing idea, and I think it should be implemented from here on in to erase the coin toss thingy altogether. The toss would be for who attacks first, first. It'd be a lot more fair in more matchups __________________ My team of awesome! 22:20 Terrador wow 22:21 Terrador You just found a use for Rage. 22:21 Terrador Congratulations. 22:21 Spenstar yes, yes I did 8) 22:21 UllarWarlord applause

May 24th, 2011, 11:17:58 PM	#44
smashlloyd20 Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,814 Erry day im HEAD SMASHING	I agree. See my post above for an example, basically whoever wins the coin toss has a massive advantage because then both matchups will be in their favor. __________________ Ten million fireflies

May 24th, 2011, 11:21:44 PM	#45
Flora floofy Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,779 Location: Santa Clara, CA	So we're going to change the process? I haven't reffed my matches yet so I'd like to know. edit: oh future, well okay. I guess I'll make this post say I agree with the "give the players a right to choose their Pokemon when battling" idea going on!

May 25th, 2011, 3:19:03 AM	#46
Son_of_Shadoo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,850 Northern Ireland	Just saying, I got no such PM. Or if I did, I can't find it. __________________ CAP ASB Team ASB Referee Profile My Soundcloud 23:53 SevenDeadlySins i hereby appoint MK_Ultra fagmaster general of asb 23:53 MK_Ultra that post comes with ops right 23:53 SevenDeadlySins bops

May 25th, 2011, 6:01:45 AM	#48
~~shadowbone66~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 279 And then there were none...	Dan has it easy as well. x.x

May 25th, 2011, 1:29:05 PM	#49
Nightmare Jigglypuff Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 834 Ho everyone, mark ye well this lame horse!	I believe i'll have a hard time with this round... __________________ <SevenDeadlySins> "Yo mama so fat she resists ice and is neutral to fire!" My CAP ASB Team. I can also ref if needed.

May 25th, 2011, 2:42:04 PM	#50
Galladiator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,874 Waiting for the winds of change to sweep the clouds away	Started my match against Doran yesterday morning. Still waiting for a reply. (Maybe he's scared of my Jolteon.) __________________ 14:15 Ragnarokalex i do believe its time to hit some children with sticks