Rarely Used (RU) Tier - Page 63

Twannes · Aug 31st, 2011, 8:37:39 AM

yh right. I recently saw a heavy stall team featuring steelix as phazer. the had a heal beller :P and specially defensive steelix is pretty bulky.

Paradoxus · Aug 31st, 2011, 2:11:51 PM

OK who the hell counters Alomamola? it walls my whole fucking team

No Luck Involved · Aug 31st, 2011, 2:23:17 PM

Sceptile, or Serperior. Rotom-C. Powerful Electric types can usually switch in safely. Otherwise just smack it with a powerful special sweeper like Porygon-Z and Yanmega.

Ferroseed also easily wins against it in a trolly way. If you're afraid of Toxic then Ferroseed is a good option.

Twannes · Aug 31st, 2011, 2:26:50 PM

^

Alomomola is very frail in the special department. Substitute also screws it over, as it can't toxicstall you any more while you set up. Also, it doesn't like Toxic. Anyway, Alomomola will be better when Regeneration is released.

Himanattsu · Aug 31st, 2011, 6:58:27 PM

^(I remember freezing your Ferroseed for 5 turns with my Sharpedo LOL)
I use this set to check Alomomola.

Intensive Gaston Unit @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 164 HP / 132 Def / 212 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Recover
- Scald
- filler

This set, at the very least, can force it out. 212 Speed EVS lets Gastrodon hit 167 Speed, allowing it to outspeed minimum speed Alomomola. 164 in HP to make 101 subs, and the rest goes into Defense, Do whatever for the last slot, HP Grass/Electric, Toxic, etc.

waterwarrior · Aug 31st, 2011, 10:13:17 PM

Bit late, but Galvantula just rapes Alomomola. Timid max sp. atk Galvantula's Life Orb Thunder has a 20% chance of OHKO'ing max HP/ max Sp. Def Calm Alomomola, while it always OHKO's max HP/ 4 Sp. Def Calm Alomomola. Plus it has STAB Bug Buzz to get rid of Claydol, a common partner. Also, as said, Download Porygon-Z. With a Sp. Atk boost, it will OHKO physically defensive variants and maim specially defensive variants.

@Hitmanattsu: Not saying that set is bad (I played it and i got so freaking confused), but any Gastrodon with Storm Drain and Toxic beats Alomomola.

Twannes · Sep 1st, 2011, 7:22:50 AM

^

The substitue is for not getting hit by toxic, as it can otherwise toxicstall you to death.

Himanattsu · Sep 1st, 2011, 8:53:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat waterwarrior

@Hitmanattsu: Not saying that set is bad (I played it and i got so freaking confused), but any Gastrodon with Storm Drain and Toxic beats Alomomola.

If Gastrodon just carried Toxic, then it would have to predict the switch-in to Alomomola, and there are many problems with this. As soon as Gastrodon Toxic's Alomomola, it must switch out, because it will be outsped and Toxic'd itself. This is inviting more entry hazard damage, and can even allow some layers of Toxic Spikes to get up.

Gastrodon with Storm Drain and Toxic is a check to Alomomola at least, while my EV spread is a hard counter to it. It acts like a lure; Alomomola will come into Gastrodon, thinking it can outspeed and Toxic it. However, it doesn't happen, as Substitute blocks it, and Alomomola is Toxic'd in the process of passing a Wish. Not to mention that it can take on Alomomola 1 on 1 and win. Not only can it counter Alomomola, but it's still as good of a physical wall at ever, tanking hits from Entei and Hitmonlee with impunity.

Crazykid · Sep 1st, 2011, 2:25:04 PM

This is probably a stupid post, but I would like to ask -
Can anyone clarify whether or not RU still exists and is NU formed? According to the main site there is no RU, but only NU. Can anyone shed some light on this?

http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/

Paradoxus · Sep 1st, 2011, 2:26:53 PM

RU right now is Limbo. it's not a stupid question as its quite confusing.

Crazykid · Sep 1st, 2011, 2:27:47 PM

Thus Drought Vulpix and Genesect is allowed in RU? Venomoth, Gastrodon and etc. are banned?

No Luck Involved · Sep 1st, 2011, 2:30:46 PM

That list is wrong. I don't know what Limbo is...

RU exists and is playable. Suspect tests and analysis will come in the future. That's all that matters.

Crazykid · Sep 1st, 2011, 2:31:36 PM

Can a moderator or someone to that nature confirm that the tier list on the main site is wrong?

***Oglemi**** · Sep 1st, 2011, 3:52:28 PM

The Dex is still being worked on..... >.>

Crazykid · Sep 1st, 2011, 4:25:39 PM

Well, I'm being called a noob because everyone is saying "RU doesn't exist, but everyone is playing Limbo and NU now" and I'm utterly confused.

Sorry for the trouble.

Forever aLone · Sep 1st, 2011, 4:34:06 PM

Alamola is too rare to run an hardcounter gastrodon spread imo. I have seen 1 alomomola the last 100 matches

Crazykid · Sep 1st, 2011, 4:47:06 PM

Hmm, is there a Speed Tier for RU? Or can anyone list the fastest non-boosted Pokes in the tier?

bluemon · Sep 1st, 2011, 4:54:25 PM

electrode.

No Luck Involved · Sep 1st, 2011, 4:56:43 PM

The top speedy threats and their Base Speed are:

Ninjask - 160
Electrode - 140
Swellow - 125
Alakazam - 120
Cincinno - 115
Scolipede - 112
Tauros - 110
Durant - 109
Galvantula -108
Scyther - 105
Entei - 100
Yanmega - 95
Moltres - 90
Cresselia - 85
Gallade - 80
Honchkrow - 71

This is off the top of my head so there may be mistakes and a lot of unmentioned Pokemon in there but they're the first things that pop into my head when thinking about threats.

Tenodera · Sep 1st, 2011, 5:09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat No Luck Involved

The top speedy threats and their Base Speed are:

Ninjask - 160
Electrode - 140
Swellow - 125
Alakazam - 120
Cincinno - 115
Scolipede - 112
Tauros - 110
Durant - 109
Galvantula -108
Scyther - 105
Yanmega - 95
Moltres - 90
Cresselia - 85
Gallade - 80
Honchkrow - 71

This is off the top of my head so there may be mistakes and a lot of unmentioned Pokemon in there but they're the first things that pop into my head when thinking about threats.

Almost! I think it's notable that Entei is base 100, too.

Crazykid · Sep 1st, 2011, 5:15:26 PM

Why is Typhlosion so underused? It's base 100 speed. o.o and Specs Eruption hurts, as there's only a few that outspeed it in the tier without scarfing.

No Luck Involved · Sep 1st, 2011, 5:16:13 PM

Thanks for the corrections Tenodera! I thought I had forgotten something that was Base 100. There aren't many of them in this tier surprisingly. I always seem to think Honchkrow is faster than it really is...

bluemon · Sep 1st, 2011, 5:43:19 PM

how bout sharpedo? i thought it has base 95

Dr. Alpha · Sep 1st, 2011, 5:52:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Crazykid

Why is Typhlosion so underused? It's base 100 speed. o.o and Specs Eruption hurts, as there's only a few that outspeed it in the tier without scarfing.

Its' outclassed and overlooked by everything else basically, hence why its underused.

Crazykid · Sep 1st, 2011, 6:31:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Dr. Alpha

Its' outclassed and overlooked by everything else basically, hence why its underused.

What exactly outclasses it?

Aug 31st, 2011, 8:37:39 AM	#1551
Twannes Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 423 Netherlands	yh right. I recently saw a heavy stall team featuring steelix as phazer. the had a heal beller :P and specially defensive steelix is pretty bulky. __________________ www.youtube.com/user/Blueye95 Every day i'm battlin' OU Peak: #39 RU Peak: #19

Aug 31st, 2011, 2:11:51 PM	#1552
Paradoxus Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 802 New York	OK who the hell counters Alomamola? it walls my whole fucking team __________________ D.Gray-Man forever and ever.

Aug 31st, 2011, 2:26:50 PM	#1554
Twannes Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 423 Netherlands	^ Alomomola is very frail in the special department. Substitute also screws it over, as it can't toxicstall you any more while you set up. Also, it doesn't like Toxic. Anyway, Alomomola will be better when Regeneration is released. __________________ www.youtube.com/user/Blueye95 Every day i'm battlin' OU Peak: #39 RU Peak: #19

Aug 31st, 2011, 6:58:27 PM	#1555
Himanattsu Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 216 East Coast	^(I remember freezing your Ferroseed for 5 turns with my Sharpedo LOL) I use this set to check Alomomola. Intensive Gaston Unit @ Leftovers Trait: Storm Drain EVs: 164 HP / 132 Def / 212 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Substitute - Recover - Scald - filler This set, at the very least, can force it out. 212 Speed EVS lets Gastrodon hit 167 Speed, allowing it to outspeed minimum speed Alomomola. 164 in HP to make 101 subs, and the rest goes into Defense, Do whatever for the last slot, HP Grass/Electric, Toxic, etc. Last edited by Himanattsu; Aug 31st, 2011 at 7:13:46 PM.

Aug 31st, 2011, 10:13:17 PM	#1556
waterwarrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,745 FREAKING UNICORNS ON FREAKING RAINBOWS	Bit late, but Galvantula just rapes Alomomola. Timid max sp. atk Galvantula's Life Orb Thunder has a 20% chance of OHKO'ing max HP/ max Sp. Def Calm Alomomola, while it always OHKO's max HP/ 4 Sp. Def Calm Alomomola. Plus it has STAB Bug Buzz to get rid of Claydol, a common partner. Also, as said, Download Porygon-Z. With a Sp. Atk boost, it will OHKO physically defensive variants and maim specially defensive variants. @Hitmanattsu: Not saying that set is bad (I played it and i got so freaking confused), but any Gastrodon with Storm Drain and Toxic beats Alomomola. __________________ Currently on an indefinite break from ASB. Sorry. <Engineer> dw you should come to america <Engineer> where you can eat burgers and get fat <Destiny_Warrior> 9.9 engi * kingofburgerz [~cgiirc@synIRC-43958468.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #capasb**

Aug 31st, 2011, 2:23:17 PM	#1553
No Luck Involved Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,325	Sceptile, or Serperior. Rotom-C. Powerful Electric types can usually switch in safely. Otherwise just smack it with a powerful special sweeper like Porygon-Z and Yanmega. Ferroseed also easily wins against it in a trolly way. If you're afraid of Toxic then Ferroseed is a good option.

Sep 1st, 2011, 7:22:50 AM	#1557
Twannes Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 423 Netherlands	^ The substitue is for not getting hit by toxic, as it can otherwise toxicstall you to death. __________________ www.youtube.com/user/Blueye95 Every day i'm battlin' OU Peak: #39 RU Peak: #19

Sep 1st, 2011, 2:25:04 PM	#1559
Crazykid Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66	This is probably a stupid post, but I would like to ask - Can anyone clarify whether or not RU still exists and is NU formed? According to the main site there is no RU, but only NU. Can anyone shed some light on this? http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/ __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...kuunewsig3.png "I am a Saiyajin who has come from Earth to kill you! My heart is pure, but a terrible wrath has awoken the legendary power! I AM SON-GOKU! I AM A SUPER-SAIYAJIN!"

Sep 1st, 2011, 2:26:53 PM	#1560
Paradoxus Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 802 New York	RU right now is Limbo. it's not a stupid question as its quite confusing. __________________ D.Gray-Man forever and ever.

Sep 1st, 2011, 2:27:47 PM	#1561
Crazykid Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66	Thus Drought Vulpix and Genesect is allowed in RU? Venomoth, Gastrodon and etc. are banned? __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...kuunewsig3.png "I am a Saiyajin who has come from Earth to kill you! My heart is pure, but a terrible wrath has awoken the legendary power! I AM SON-GOKU! I AM A SUPER-SAIYAJIN!"

Sep 1st, 2011, 2:30:46 PM	#1562
No Luck Involved Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,325	That list is wrong. I don't know what Limbo is... RU exists and is playable. Suspect tests and analysis will come in the future. That's all that matters.

Sep 1st, 2011, 2:31:36 PM	#1563
Crazykid Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66	Can a moderator or someone to that nature confirm that the tier list on the main site is wrong? __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...kuunewsig3.png "I am a Saiyajin who has come from Earth to kill you! My heart is pure, but a terrible wrath has awoken the legendary power! I AM SON-GOKU! I AM A SUPER-SAIYAJIN!"

Sep 1st, 2011, 3:52:28 PM	#1564
*Oglemi they call me... THE OGLEBOMB Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,571 ~(^.^)~	The Dex is still being worked on..... >.> __________________ <shade> what an intense scrotum

Sep 1st, 2011, 4:25:39 PM	#1565
Crazykid Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66	Well, I'm being called a noob because everyone is saying "RU doesn't exist, but everyone is playing Limbo and NU now" and I'm utterly confused. Sorry for the trouble. __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...kuunewsig3.png "I am a Saiyajin who has come from Earth to kill you! My heart is pure, but a terrible wrath has awoken the legendary power! I AM SON-GOKU! I AM A SUPER-SAIYAJIN!"

Sep 1st, 2011, 4:34:06 PM	#1566
Forever aLone Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 17	Alamola is too rare to run an hardcounter gastrodon spread imo. I have seen 1 alomomola the last 100 matches

Sep 1st, 2011, 4:47:06 PM	#1567
Crazykid Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66	Hmm, is there a Speed Tier for RU? Or can anyone list the fastest non-boosted Pokes in the tier? __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...kuunewsig3.png "I am a Saiyajin who has come from Earth to kill you! My heart is pure, but a terrible wrath has awoken the legendary power! I AM SON-GOKU! I AM A SUPER-SAIYAJIN!"

Sep 1st, 2011, 4:54:25 PM	#1568
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	electrode.

Sep 1st, 2011, 4:56:43 PM	#1569
No Luck Involved Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,325	The top speedy threats and their Base Speed are: Ninjask - 160 Electrode - 140 Swellow - 125 Alakazam - 120 Cincinno - 115 Scolipede - 112 Tauros - 110 Durant - 109 Galvantula -108 Scyther - 105 Entei - 100 Yanmega - 95 Moltres - 90 Cresselia - 85 Gallade - 80 Honchkrow - 71 This is off the top of my head so there may be mistakes and a lot of unmentioned Pokemon in there but they're the first things that pop into my head when thinking about threats. Last edited by No Luck Involved; Sep 1st, 2011 at 5:17:05 PM.

Sep 1st, 2011, 5:15:26 PM	#1571
Crazykid Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66	Why is Typhlosion so underused? It's base 100 speed. o.o and Specs Eruption hurts, as there's only a few that outspeed it in the tier without scarfing. __________________ http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...kuunewsig3.png "I am a Saiyajin who has come from Earth to kill you! My heart is pure, but a terrible wrath has awoken the legendary power! I AM SON-GOKU! I AM A SUPER-SAIYAJIN!"

Sep 1st, 2011, 5:16:13 PM	#1572
No Luck Involved Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,325	Thanks for the corrections Tenodera! I thought I had forgotten something that was Base 100. There aren't many of them in this tier surprisingly. I always seem to think Honchkrow is faster than it really is...

Sep 1st, 2011, 5:43:19 PM	#1573
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	how bout sharpedo? i thought it has base 95