Pokemon Unfit for UU Analyses

[blarajan]

WoahwoahwoahwoahWOAH.

What is my man Manectric doing in this list of worthless Pokemon? Manectric has base 105 Speed, allowing it to outrun the majority of the tier. It complements this with a very usable/good base 105 Special Attack stat. It's relatively frail, but it makes for an EXCELLENT Choice user with access to STAB Volt Switch and Switcheroo. Its ability Lightningrod means it gets a +1 boost from Electric attacks. With all of the Nidokings and Rotom formes in this meta, Lightningrod happens very frequently. Finally, it has Overheat, giving it an excellent coverage move to complement the rest of its set. Not many Pokemon resist Electric/Fire/Ice, with Rotom-H being the only notable one.

All in all, I would like Manectric to be given a UU analysis for a Choiced set only. I will happily write it.

[SuperJOCKE]

Yeah, Manetric dserves an analysis in my eyes too. It doesn't even need to use Overheat, it has access to Flamethrower. Choice Specs Manetric will ruin things in combination with Switcheroo.

[Oglemi*]

Manectric gets the go ahead from me

Shuckle is still a no, do not bring it up again

Glaceon I'm a bit iffy on. On the one hand, it is a good member for a BlizzSpam team, but most hail teams atm are defensive in nature. And with Mamo (for now), Froslass, Aboma, Weavile, and Walrein available as Ice-types, there's really no reason to use Glaceon on a defensively-minded hail team (adding more than 4 Ice-types on any team is -.-).

If you can provide logs showing Glaceon's capabilities, then I may reconsider it.

[Donasin]

As Sandslash now has access to Sand Rush, it has finally found away to surpass Donphan. While 110 Def, 100 Atk, 65 Spe are somewhat lacking, given Sand Rush, Swords Dance, and Rapid Spin I think Sandslash is worth looking into.

[SuperJOCKE]

But it's not released yet.

[breh]

it doesn't have sand rush yet (unless I've missed a DW expansion). when it does, it will be usable (hell, CB stoutland is amazing... think of CB sandslash). for now, it's silly.

[ParaChomp]

Originally Posted by Fat Oglemi

Shuckle is still a no, do not bring it up again

=__='

Curse you Eviolite! Then again, there is this quote but first let's just check which tier Golurk (who's usage percentage is just bellow Shuckle) is in...RU...well then I guess when that time comes I shall release the Smooth Rock Shedinja! Wait, that's not right, maybe the Cloud Nine Smooth Rock Lickilicky.

I have nothing else to say but that in the list of Pokemon unfit for analysis, Unown is spelled wrong.

[blarajan]

Could you remove Absol from this list? It was in the reservations thread, and I've already put the seleton up...

I would also like to argue for Garboor. Garbodor has access to both Spikes and Toxic Spikes, and is able to use both on the same set. Outside of Pineco, no Pokemon in UU can do this. Likewise, it is unique as a spiker because of its ability Weak Armor. When Garbodor is hit, its sp......eed goes up. Because it is naturally relatively bulky (80/85/85 defenses), it's not going to die in one hit. Because of the speed boosts, he can get many hazards up. Likewise, its usable base 90 attack and powerful stab in gunk shot means its not offensively useless. I advocate for a speedy hazard setter set only.

[Oglemi*]

Absol is on the list because it got rejected by QC

Garbodor I'm not allowing because as a Spikes/TSpikes setter, it's probably one of the worst. Its stats are overall pretty bad or below average, its typing isn't great, and there are just so many better Pokemon to choose from (Nidoqueen, Roserade, Scolipede).

[jc104]

Since some rather poor fully evolved Pokemon seem to be getting analyses I thought I might bring up a few NFE mons for consideration. I should make it clear that am not exactly adamant that these get an analysis; I just think that given what else is getting an analysis, these deserve a look in.

The first eviolite mon I want to bring up is Rhydon. I must say that I am very surprised this one has not been mentioned previously. Rhydon does have a slightly lower attack stat than Rhyperior, and since it is restricted to eviolite, it is obviously outclassed in a strictly offensive role. However, its defences are clearly way better, even on super effective hits. Therefore, with some sort of defensive/support set you might consider Rhydon better. For example, you might consider a SpD RestTalk set with dragon tail in sandstorm, or a support set with SR.

Secondly, I wanted to bring up NFE dragons. As we know, dragon type moves are just great in UU, what with there being few viable steel- types, all of which are grounded (and thus vulnerable to spikes, EQ, and arena trap). Additionally, there is little doubt that the range of available fully evolved dragons is fairly unimpressive,

The first dragon I wanted to bring up is Zweilous, Hydreigon's prevo. I can say, unreservedly, that this thing has the most powerful outrage in the game. Yes, the most powerful. More powerful than rayquaza, more powerful than zekrom, more powerful than Haxorus. This is due to its respectable Attack stat and its ability, Hustle. Also, it has the game's most powerful crunch, letting it tear through many of UU's Psychic and Ghost-type behemoths. Obviously, its accuracy is infuriating, but the main problems are its speed and its movepool. Base 58 Speed can let it outrun most dedicated walls, but with 72/70/70 defences Zweilous will quickly die by locking into outrage. The movepool issues are even worse; I keep thinking: wow this thing would be great if it got Dragon Dance. Hone Claws? Dragon Claw? Pursuit? Sucker punch? Earthquake? Yeah it gets none of those. So, I find, it is very hard to use Zweilous in an offensive sense outside of Trick Room (scarf being outclassed by CB Flygon). I find the best way to use Zweilous is with an Eviolite. 72/70/70 suddenly looks very good, letting you take even moderate super effective hits, including, say, defensive Hitmontop's Close Combat. As long as the opponent doesn't have something like Heracross, you can outrage pretty freely. Also, though lacking Dragon Claw, you can use a (very inaccurate) Dragon Tail to slam an incoming check hard while causing additional spikes damage. Fire Fang gives perfect neutral coverage, hitting steels respectably (If at all - damned hustle), especially Escavalier. Zweilous makes a very capable tank, notably faster and bulkier *(and, depending on the item, more powerful) than Druddigon, and with a unique and useful typing.

Though I don't intend to go into it in the same detail, Dragonair, Shelgon, and Fraxure are all capable Dragon Dancers, though they do struggle to trump Kingdra and Altaria. Fraxure is notable for it's base 117 Attack - with, say, dual screens it could be a scary offensive DDer. Anyway I don't really think they are good enough to deserve an analysis.

[blarajan]

Oh. I didn't even notice my Pokemon got rejected =(. Oh well.

Garbodor has access to both Spikes and Toxic Spikes ON THE SAME SET, meaning a comparison to Roserade and Nidoqueen doesn't relate. I completely forgot about Scolipede, though, who completely outclasses, so ignore Garbodor.

Anyways, I'm just making arguments for Pokemon who I like that don't suck.

[jc104]

Roserade can run both on the same set. It just can't use sleep powder or stun spore. Qwilfish is another example which I would consider superior.

[IronGross]

Articuno is staple as a phaser, supportive Pokemon or even a sweeper with Agility inHail, and should get an UU analysis.

[blarajan]

Originally Posted by Fat jc104

Roserade can run both on the same set. It just can't use sleep powder or stun spore. Qwilfish is another example which I would consider superior.

Roserade was capable of running both on the same set? When?...

And forgot about Qwilfish. Okay maybe my Garbodor argument wasn't very well thought out.

[SJCrew]

Roserade gets Toxic Spikes from Roselia via levelup, and can just breed with the Cacnea family for Spikes prior to evolving.

The More You Know~

[breh]

Zweilous: It has obscene power, yet every move it has is stone edge and it requires trick room to even decently function.

Grumpig: Thick Fat is not enough to use it over mew, which has better everything.

Articuno: I used it last gen on pressurestall; it was fun then but I'm not sure it's viable now. Its stats are good and its rock weakness is almost negligible with good spinning and the assumption that your opponent is not using rock blast (as it can easily stall out stone edges with substitute), but it's still not that amazing. It runs into serious moveslot issues (you have substitute/roost/ice beam and the last slot is very difficult to take; you give it heal bell and then it's setup fodder; you give it whirlwind and then it has no utility).

[blarajan]

Right, failed with Grumpig. Forgot about Mew entirely. I've deleted any pushed for it.

[IronGross]

Originally Posted by Fat Breludicolo

Articuno: I used it last gen on pressurestall; it was fun then but I'm not sure it's viable now. Its stats are good and its rock weakness is almost negligible with good spinning and the assumption that your opponent is not using rock blast (as it can easily stall out stone edges with substitute), but it's still not that amazing. It runs into serious moveslot issues (you have substitute/roost/ice beam and the last slot is very difficult to take; you give it heal bell and then it's setup fodder; you give it whirlwind and then it has no utility).

Articuno still has very high defenses for a low-tier Pokemon, it should get an analysis for SubRoost, support and even Agility sets.

[Oglemi*]

Originally Posted by Fat IronGross

Articuno still has vey high defenses for a low-tier Pokemon, it should seriously get an analysis for SubRoost, support and even Agility sets.

I'm sorry but have you actually played with Articuno this gen? Articuno's typing is as suckish as ever, granting it a grand total of 3 resistances, and giving it weaknesses to Rock-, Fire-, Steel-, and Electric-type attacks, all pretty common in this metagame. And calling Articuno's defenses high for a "low-tier" Pokemon is pretty fucking laughable argument because I could say the same thing about Probopass and Bastiodon.

Articuno will not get an analysis unless you can provide logs showing that it can work. And even then, only SubRoost will get a set. Since when has an Agility set ever been good (not since ADV anyway)?

[IronGross]

Probopass and Bastiodon don't get UU analyses? That's suprising...
Support and Agility both work in Hail, if you want logs, I'll get them for you...

[Omicron]

Ok, I know there are many Water-types in this tier, but I feel like Samurott is worth a shot. It gets Swords Dance and Aqua Jet, Megahorn for coverage, and a bunch of special moves like Ice Beam, Hydro Pump, etc. IMO, the Swords Dance set is not outclassed, as Tangrowth is 2HKOed by +2 Megahorn. It also gets Night Slash so it is not walled by Ghosts. The special set is probably outclassed, but I feel like Samurott is a better alternative to Azumarill, boasting somewhat similar bulk and decent offenses. It also gets weird support moves like Encore lol

Anyways, I think the SD set should get an analysis

Edit: Damn forgot about Feraligatr

[breh]

feraligatr >>>> samurott.

I have not seen many people use tangrowth, frankly.

also agility articuno is awful. if you're using articuno for agility, you'd be better off using something like vanilluxe (which has more punch as well as ice body, meaning that you actually gain HP in hail, even if using life orb)

[Chou Toshio]

Tangrowth is a fantastic Pokemon, and should be considered one of UU's greatest defensive threats. That said, the metagame is just a bit unkind with Victini, Arcanine and Hail everywhere--but it's still a good Pokemon.

Personally, I'd lean on the side of "no" for Samurott-- it's survivability (defensive and speed stats) are just too bad. That said, being able to Mega Horn da f outta Slowbro and Tangrowth sounds impressive. I'll have to talk to some other QC about it, or if they want to ring in here.

[Cherub Agent]

I'm quite surprised that Torterra isn't getting an analysis. I've not personally tried it out yet, but it was all the rage last gen. Unique typing that resists EdgeQuake, it can be a powerful endgame sweeper or a sturdy tank. What really changed?

[Oglemi*]

Originally Posted by Fat Cherub Agent

I'm quite surprised that Torterra isn't getting an analysis. I've not personally tried it out yet, but it was all the rage last gen. Unique typing that resists EdgeQuake, it can be a powerful endgame sweeper or a sturdy tank. What really changed?

What changed? lol

Ummm the fact that Chansey and Dusclops wall it from here to kingdom come, Tangrowth and Celebi laugh at it, Arcanine and Victini blast it to smithereens if it hasn't RPed, Stall Mew and Uxie giggle, hail destroys it, need I go on? All of the top threats, save for Suicune and maybe Empoleon (both sometimes carry Ice Beam), don't give two shits about Torterra anymore.