Pokemon Unfit for UU Analyses - Page 5

Moo · Jun 11th, 2011, 8:31:07 AM

Agreeing with all of those, but Poliwrath has already been declined.

sax king · Jun 11th, 2011, 9:56:30 AM

Wait, going back to Lanturn.
I don't have a whole lot of time to write this up, but SubCharge Lanturn is ridiculously good, even in OU. As long as Chansey is removed from play by something like Dugtrio, Subcharge lanturn can run through the opponent quickly. That's something that separates it from other pokemon in the tier.

Omicron · Jun 11th, 2011, 1:40:54 PM

Oh woops, my bad, I didn't realize Poliwrath already had a rejection >.>

Edit: Lanturn is just too underwhelming, even in UU. It doesn't sport Rotom-w's nice immunity to ground, and can't set up reliably, especially since Charge Beam is a very unreliable set-up move. Its offenses are subpar and its defenses are as well besides HP. Also, its hella slow, so not much sweeping is gonna get done there.

Chou Toshio · Jun 12th, 2011, 7:31:09 PM

Ninjask should definitely have an analysis. Sceptile probably should, and is definitely a strong choice in UU-- it's biggest problems being somewhat outclassed by Shaymin and Celebi...

Mandibuzz is... ok... I've seen it, but I've never been really impressed tbh. I'd say it should get an analysis eventually, but it's not really a high priority poke...

Poliwrath we've been over.

Lanturn is always a fairly respectable Poke, but I haven't really seen too many in UU, and it's not a huge player in the meta. Kind of in the same boat of priority as Poliwrath and Mandibuzz-- it's there, and it's ok, but it's not anything we NEED to get on.

RevolverKnight · Jun 12th, 2011, 9:40:36 PM

Crygonal works well as a support poke and special wall. Stat wise it the same SpD as Blissey (135), a very quick base 105 Spe, and respectable base 95 SpA. Its Hp is only base 70 and Def is only but that can be remedied by the fact he gets Recover and Acid Armor/Reflect. His support movepool is really where he shines though. He can DS, haze, Rapid Spin (he is weak to SR but immune to spikes and toxic spikes thanks to levitate) and can even Toxic Stall. Below I did some Damage Calcs agains some common threats.

252 Hp / 252 Def Bold@leftovers:

252 Atk Adamant Honchcrow@Life orb Sucker Punch: 71.51% - 84.01% 2HKO
Same Crow with +2 Def (Acid Armor or Reflect up): 35.76% - 42.15% 3-4HKO
252 Atk Adamant Guts Hariyama@Flame Orb Close Combat with +2 Def: 60.17% - 71.51% 2HKO
252 Atk Adamant Heracross@Choice Band Close Combat +2 Def: 62.79% - 74.13% 2HKO
252 Atk Jolly Heracross@Chioce Band Close Combat +2 Def: 56.69% - 67.15%
252 SpeA Modest Sheer Force Nidoking@Choice Specs Flamethrower: 74.42 - 87.79% 2HKO

252 Hp / 252 SpeD Calm@leftovers:

Same Nidoking as above: 55.81% - 66.28% 2HKO
252 SpeA Modest Shaymin@Life Orb HP Fire: 31.4% - 36.63% 4HKO

I think he deserves an shot because of the amount of options he has for support and his potential as a strong special.

breh · Jun 13th, 2011, 1:49:06 AM

I was trying so hard to figure out why those calcs were so convincing...

Every one of them has +2 def and does not take into account SR damage.

Realistically, you're never going to get to use Acid Armor before something OHKOes you. When a pokemon has a defence of 30 (iirc), it's not able to pull off defensive sets unless it has obscene amounts of HP.

Even then, what is it doing with 252/252 Bold? as a rapid spinner, it's outclassed. As a screener, it's outclassed. By the virtue of its typing, it is inherently outclassed.

SJCrew · Jun 14th, 2011, 3:24:55 AM

Ludicolo is synonymous with Rain teams. It should definitely be on the priority list.

RevolverKnight · Jun 14th, 2011, 4:27:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SJCrew

Ludicolo is synonymous with Rain teams. It should definitely be on the priority list.

I VERY much agree with this.

Chou Toshio · Jun 14th, 2011, 6:40:30 PM

Cryogonal-- no not really... This thing is just not good enough (for now). 95 is still weak, and its physical bulk is just bad (252/252 bold? You're pretty much sacking any reason to use it). Rotom-F is a much better sweeper, and everything else is better at support.

I haven't seen enough rain around to really weigh in, but there are enough non-weather teams that I could see rain succeeding (and ludicolo is awesome in rain, and still a decent bulky water-type out of it). If Oglemi gives it the okay, I'd say add it.

**Jirachi** · Jun 15th, 2011, 9:45:36 PM

I think Leafeon deserves an analysis, since it is kinda fast and can beat a lot of UU's current walls (bulky waters) and can beat Tangrowth with X-Scissor. It can also baton pass Wish and its swords dance boosts if it has to gtfo. Even more, Registeel is not as common as last gen, which is its main counter. Sure, there's Victini, but it already beats a lot of stuff, like Sawsbuck, who is used a lot.

breh · Jun 15th, 2011, 10:05:29 PM

I'm not sure of Leafeon's offensive capabilities. Last gen, it was awesome in gen 4 uu because it could simultaneously sweep and BP its SDs and had a higher attack than Venusaur (and Power Whip is not as reliable as Return, but w/e). Its speed tier was also perfect for the tier that it was in; in a metagame populated largely by pase 80s and one very big base 90, 95 was a huge advantage.

But now, it seems outclassed by Celebi, IMO. Bar a few very specific things (slightly higher attack and... yawn and wish I guess?), Celebi seems far better. Plus, the presence of Escavalier (and, as you noted, victini) make it far more lackluster.

For reference, Leafeon's Returns are 6.7% stronger; its Leaf Blades are almost exactly 20% stronger than Celebi's Seed Bombs; Celebi is far more Specially bulky and has more physical bulk by an extremely small amount.

HiipFire · Jun 16th, 2011, 9:16:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat SJCrew

Ludicolo is synonymous with Rain teams. It should definitely be on the priority list.

ye.

Moo · Jun 16th, 2011, 11:53:25 AM

Suggesting Murkrow for an analysis. It has good defenses with an Eviolite and an amazing ability in prankster. Priority Featherdance, Calm Mind, Taunt, Roost, Toxic, Mean Look, Perish Song and Haze are all extremely useful. I've seen it used to great effect and I think it deserves an analysis.

Texas Cloverleaf · Jun 16th, 2011, 12:09:58 PM

Agreeing with mooo. Run any four of those moves (and possibly night shade) and you have a truly annoying pokemon.

NoJohns · Jun 18th, 2011, 1:16:23 PM

Arguing for Clefable here. I'm shocked that no one else has caught on to using it. It's still an incredibly sturdy special wall, and its doesn't get raped by SubCMers + Toxic Spikes like Chansey thanks to Magic Guard, and Encore is still annoying as hell even after the nerf, especially if you catch something off guard. It can CM Psyshock and beat pretty much every Calm Minder/Quiver Dancer in the UU Metagame (excluding stuff like CM Stored Power Espy), and can be extremely painful for stall to take out once you get rid of Hitmontop/Haze Milotic.

GtM · Jun 18th, 2011, 4:38:26 PM

Clefable already has an analysis, it's in Copyediting :P

breh · Jun 18th, 2011, 4:44:46 PM

I searched for it but couldn't find it.

GtM, I think you found the 4th gen UU analysis.

Clefable is a mixed bag. It possesses the godliest movepool ever and the best ability ever, but is let down really hard by its rather.... meh stats and unspectacular typing.

plus, heracross just laughs at it.

***Oglemi**** · Jun 18th, 2011, 9:50:16 PM

Sceptile
Murkrow
Ludicolo
Ninjask

good to go

Leafeon, Mandibuzz, and Cryogonal I'm going to hold out on for a bit. Leafeon because Celebi/Sceptile > Leafeon, Mandibuzz because it is pretty meh from what I've seen and really it loses to most other defensive Pokemon one on one (Deoxys-D in particular though there are more), and Cryogonal because it's a freaking Ice type. I have seen Meru use Cryogonal to some success, but overall it's pretty underwhelming too.

EDIT: Also Chansey > Clefable

HiipFire · Jun 20th, 2011, 1:03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat NoJohns

Arguing for Clefable here. I'm shocked that no one else has caught on to using it. It's still an incredibly sturdy special wall, and its doesn't get raped by SubCMers + Toxic Spikes like Chansey thanks to Magic Guard, and Encore is still annoying as hell even after the nerf, especially if you catch something off guard. It can CM Psyshock and beat pretty much every Calm Minder/Quiver Dancer in the UU Metagame (excluding stuff like CM Stored Power Espy), and can be extremely painful for stall to take out once you get rid of Hitmontop/Haze Milotic.

I agree, your post needs moar CB Double-edge though.
It also got Unaware this gen(unreleased though ;( ) which is neat.

kniteowl · Jun 21st, 2011, 1:06:39 AM

Does Magneton Deserve a Spot?

It has a niche for trapping Steels.

Magneton can potentially trapping and KO-ing your opponent Annoying Steel Types that don't carry a Fighting, fire or ground move, like Magnezone in OU

Potentailly taking out Foes like Empoleon, Escavelier, Durant, and even Registeel if Magneton carries a Air balloon or magnet rise.

It even Speed ties with Bisharp if Bisharp happens to max Speed EV. It'd come down to a coin flip to who hits first with brick break or HP-fire and Magneton Resist Suckerpunch, if Bisharp decides to go for reliable damage, if they know they can not out speed Magneton.

Magneton's only competition in UU trapping is Wobbuffet and Dugtrio.

Wobbuffet is a different Beast all together

While Dugtrio is very frail can can't really switch into anything that isn't a electric attack, and used more like a revenger.

The only thing Dugtrio is better at doing or just as good as doing in terms of taking out steels are Cobalion and Empoleon (although Empoleon has access to Aqua Jet but it's rarely used) Dugtrio won't be KO-ing Escavelier, Durant, Registeel unless significantly damage or Bisharp who has priority sucker punch.

Dugtrio obviously traps everything else better that doesn't Fly, Levitate, carry a Air Balloon or has access to Baton-Pass and U-turn

What about Bouffalant?

Although Sawsbuck does a similar job with Sap Sipper and has Greater Speed, Bouffalant has a Higher Attack and bulk and doesn't suffer 5 extra weaknesses from a secondary grass typing.

And Bouffalant has moves Sawsbuck could only dream of like Payback and Pursuit.

And with the Removal of Drought, Sawsbuck is likely to fall in usage as previously Sawsbuck was most likely used to leverage Chlorophyll.

Bouffalant can come in and wall, while gaining an attack boost from most of the Grass pokemon threats like Celebi, Shaymin, Roserade, Tangrowth, Abomasnow or anyone carrying a grass move like Venemoth's sleep powder.

Pursuit is especially interesting as it put Celebi in a checkmate position, especially if bouffalant is carrying an choice band and received a attack boost from celebi's grass moves (like leech seed or leaf storm)

It can also pursuit the many frail sweeping ghost type like Mismagius if they don't have Will-o-wisp.

and even if you don't pursuit, with a choice band and and a attack boost from Sap Sipper Combined with it's signature Stab Move Head Charge, it will do a lot of damage.

Other notable mentions I can think of...

Amoonguss

It's has access to Spore, The only other pokemon that have it in UU are Smeargle and Parasect, not much competition there, it also has Clear smog to Counter pokemon that may try to set up on it. I'm not very familiar with this pokemon so maybe someone else could expalin why it deserve a UU analysis.

Walrein

Deserves an UU analysis just to exploit Hail with Ice Body and reasonable good bulk.

Weezing

Is a maybe for me...I'm kinda split whether or not it should deserve a UU Analysis

Compared to other Physical walls, the 1st that come to mind are Tangrowth and Registeel.

Weezing is used entirely differently with it's move pool that has Pain split, will o wisp and Clear-smog/Haze and only 1 weakness being Psychic which can be supported with a dark type pokemon like Bisharp.

But then the likes of Dusclops/Dusknoir comes to mind with better bulk and similar move pool.

But Weezing has the advantage of better typing and ability and leftovers, can't be toxic stalled if you're comparing it with Dusclops... hmmm...

Sharpedo

I'm surprised it's not on the list, anything full evolved pokemon with speed boost, proabably deserve a UU analysis.

Cradily

Works well together in the sandstorm with Hippotas support, not to mention it Storm drain gives it a Water Immunity and raising it's Special Attack.

***Oglemi**** · Jun 21st, 2011, 10:10:18 AM

OK

Walrein and Sharpedo are on the list.

The rest are a big no from me for now. As you said, most are kinda outclassed by other Pokes already on the priority list, so they can wait a little bit.

Scarfwynaut · Jun 21st, 2011, 10:20:36 AM

Amonguss and Cradily got OU analysises, for Christs sake. Are you telling me in UU there is no niche for them?

***Oglemi**** · Jun 21st, 2011, 11:07:20 AM

There is, but I want to focus on the important Pokemon for now and get them done so that they can be ready for when the site finally gets updated. I don't want to waste time on niche Pokemon for now.

If you want me to explain I can.

Amoonguss, while bulky, is fucking slow and gets ass raped by every bird in the tier (Honchkrow, Staraptor, etc.). Cradily needs infinite sandstorm to be useful, and that's not as common as it is in OU with Tyranitar and Hippowdon available. Here we have to rely on Hippopotas (though he isn't too bad).

I can do without the condescending tone too.

kniteowl · Jun 21st, 2011, 11:42:02 AM

I thought Bouffalant was a solid choice... ah well

I believe Bouffalant would be better then Sawbuck but I guess that base 95 speed makes all the difference, even though most of the grass types it switches into will likely have a move to counter other grass types like HP-fire/ice or in Abomasnow's case Blizzard.

I guess I can only pray for Bouffalant usage to rise and Swasbuck to fall this month, Last month Statistic ranking of #16 was pretty high even if it was related to drought abuse.

Scarfwynaut · Jun 21st, 2011, 7:32:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Oglemi

There is, but I want to focus on the important Pokemon for now and get them done so that they can be ready for when the site finally gets updated. I don't want to waste time on niche Pokemon for now.

If you want me to explain I can.

Amoonguss, while bulky, is fucking slow and gets ass raped by every bird in the tier (Honchkrow, Staraptor, etc.). Cradily needs infinite sandstorm to be useful, and that's not as common as it is in OU with Tyranitar and Hippowdon available. Here we have to rely on Hippopotas (though he isn't too bad).

I can do without the condescending tone too.

Ok thats understandable. Hopefully though its not totally denied for a later analysis.

Jun 11th, 2011, 8:31:07 AM	#101
Moo Professor Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,447	Agreeing with all of those, but Poliwrath has already been declined. __________________ GP / UU QC, VM for check VM for a UU rate

Jun 11th, 2011, 9:56:30 AM	#102
sax king Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 767 I'm not sick, but I'm not well	Wait, going back to Lanturn. I don't have a whole lot of time to write this up, but SubCharge Lanturn is ridiculously good, even in OU. As long as Chansey is removed from play by something like Dugtrio, Subcharge lanturn can run through the opponent quickly. That's something that separates it from other pokemon in the tier. __________________ The 90's were awesome

Jun 11th, 2011, 1:40:54 PM	#103
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Oh woops, my bad, I didn't realize Poliwrath already had a rejection >.> Edit: Lanturn is just too underwhelming, even in UU. It doesn't sport Rotom-w's nice immunity to ground, and can't set up reliably, especially since Charge Beam is a very unreliable set-up move. Its offenses are subpar and its defenses are as well besides HP. Also, its hella slow, so not much sweeping is gonna get done there. __________________ Last edited by Omicron; Jun 11th, 2011 at 7:03:25 PM.

Jun 12th, 2011, 7:31:09 PM	#104
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,946 Sea Forest	Ninjask should definitely have an analysis. Sceptile probably should, and is definitely a strong choice in UU-- it's biggest problems being somewhat outclassed by Shaymin and Celebi... Mandibuzz is... ok... I've seen it, but I've never been really impressed tbh. I'd say it should get an analysis eventually, but it's not really a high priority poke... Poliwrath we've been over. Lanturn is always a fairly respectable Poke, but I haven't really seen too many in UU, and it's not a huge player in the meta. Kind of in the same boat of priority as Poliwrath and Mandibuzz-- it's there, and it's ok, but it's not anything we NEED to get on. __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Jun 12th, 2011, 9:40:36 PM	#105
RevolverKnight Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 146 Eat your heart out, Mence	Crygonal works well as a support poke and special wall. Stat wise it the same SpD as Blissey (135), a very quick base 105 Spe, and respectable base 95 SpA. Its Hp is only base 70 and Def is only but that can be remedied by the fact he gets Recover and Acid Armor/Reflect. His support movepool is really where he shines though. He can DS, haze, Rapid Spin (he is weak to SR but immune to spikes and toxic spikes thanks to levitate) and can even Toxic Stall. Below I did some Damage Calcs agains some common threats. 252 Hp / 252 Def Bold@leftovers: 252 Atk Adamant Honchcrow@Life orb Sucker Punch: 71.51% - 84.01% 2HKO Same Crow with +2 Def (Acid Armor or Reflect up): 35.76% - 42.15% 3-4HKO 252 Atk Adamant Guts Hariyama@Flame Orb Close Combat with +2 Def: 60.17% - 71.51% 2HKO 252 Atk Adamant Heracross@Choice Band Close Combat +2 Def: 62.79% - 74.13% 2HKO 252 Atk Jolly Heracross@Chioce Band Close Combat +2 Def: 56.69% - 67.15% 252 SpeA Modest Sheer Force Nidoking@Choice Specs Flamethrower: 74.42 - 87.79% 2HKO 252 Hp / 252 SpeD Calm@leftovers: Same Nidoking as above: 55.81% - 66.28% 2HKO 252 SpeA Modest Shaymin@Life Orb HP Fire: 31.4% - 36.63% 4HKO I think he deserves an shot because of the amount of options he has for support and his potential as a strong special. __________________ † I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior and am proud of it! Copy and paste this if you are too.† SoIheardyoulikeSENTRET did my avatar. Check him out here!

Jun 13th, 2011, 1:49:06 AM	#106
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,938	I was trying so hard to figure out why those calcs were so convincing... Every one of them has +2 def and does not take into account SR damage. Realistically, you're never going to get to use Acid Armor before something OHKOes you. When a pokemon has a defence of 30 (iirc), it's not able to pull off defensive sets unless it has obscene amounts of HP. Even then, what is it doing with 252/252 Bold? as a rapid spinner, it's outclassed. As a screener, it's outclassed. By the virtue of its typing, it is inherently outclassed. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Jun 14th, 2011, 3:24:55 AM	#107
SJCrew Believer, going on a journey... Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,802	Ludicolo is synonymous with Rain teams. It should definitely be on the priority list. __________________ (02:53:55) +shrang: sleep is epic (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: CBtar? (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: that sounds like a not bad set (16:04:25) +Steamroll: nobody likes me @Relados: snowflakes has no sense of humor

Jun 14th, 2011, 6:40:30 PM	#109
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,946 Sea Forest	Cryogonal-- no not really... This thing is just not good enough (for now). 95 is still weak, and its physical bulk is just bad (252/252 bold? You're pretty much sacking any reason to use it). Rotom-F is a much better sweeper, and everything else is better at support. I haven't seen enough rain around to really weigh in, but there are enough non-weather teams that I could see rain succeeding (and ludicolo is awesome in rain, and still a decent bulky water-type out of it). If Oglemi gives it the okay, I'd say add it. __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Jun 15th, 2011, 9:45:36 PM	#110
Jirachi No excuses. Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 975 #27 Galchenyuk Mentor	I think Leafeon deserves an analysis, since it is kinda fast and can beat a lot of UU's current walls (bulky waters) and can beat Tangrowth with X-Scissor. It can also baton pass Wish and its swords dance boosts if it has to gtfo. Even more, Registeel is not as common as last gen, which is its main counter. Sure, there's Victini, but it already beats a lot of stuff, like Sawsbuck, who is used a lot.

Jun 15th, 2011, 10:05:29 PM	#111
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,938	I'm not sure of Leafeon's offensive capabilities. Last gen, it was awesome in gen 4 uu because it could simultaneously sweep and BP its SDs and had a higher attack than Venusaur (and Power Whip is not as reliable as Return, but w/e). Its speed tier was also perfect for the tier that it was in; in a metagame populated largely by pase 80s and one very big base 90, 95 was a huge advantage. But now, it seems outclassed by Celebi, IMO. Bar a few very specific things (slightly higher attack and... yawn and wish I guess?), Celebi seems far better. Plus, the presence of Escavalier (and, as you noted, victini) make it far more lackluster. For reference, Leafeon's Returns are 6.7% stronger; its Leaf Blades are almost exactly 20% stronger than Celebi's Seed Bombs; Celebi is far more Specially bulky and has more physical bulk by an extremely small amount. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Jun 16th, 2011, 11:53:25 AM	#113
Moo Professor Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,447	Suggesting Murkrow for an analysis. It has good defenses with an Eviolite and an amazing ability in prankster. Priority Featherdance, Calm Mind, Taunt, Roost, Toxic, Mean Look, Perish Song and Haze are all extremely useful. I've seen it used to great effect and I think it deserves an analysis. __________________ GP / UU QC, VM for check VM for a UU rate

Jun 16th, 2011, 12:09:58 PM	#114
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,348 Ottawa	Agreeing with mooo. Run any four of those moves (and possibly night shade) and you have a truly annoying pokemon. __________________ C&C/Smog work

Jun 18th, 2011, 1:16:23 PM	#115
NoJohns Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 98	Arguing for Clefable here. I'm shocked that no one else has caught on to using it. It's still an incredibly sturdy special wall, and its doesn't get raped by SubCMers + Toxic Spikes like Chansey thanks to Magic Guard, and Encore is still annoying as hell even after the nerf, especially if you catch something off guard. It can CM Psyshock and beat pretty much every Calm Minder/Quiver Dancer in the UU Metagame (excluding stuff like CM Stored Power Espy), and can be extremely painful for stall to take out once you get rid of Hitmontop/Haze Milotic.

Jun 18th, 2011, 4:38:26 PM	#116
GtM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 720 The Gastronomicon	Clefable already has an analysis, it's in Copyediting :P __________________ Triple Double! Gyarados + Salamence RMT Red Skull's Army! Latias RMT I Burrascusi Italiani! Gyarados + Jolteon RMT "How does this team fare against Sun teams? I would give Scizor Aqua Jet over Bug Bite so he can pick off those fire pokemon."

Jun 18th, 2011, 4:44:46 PM	#117
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,938	I searched for it but couldn't find it. GtM, I think you found the 4th gen UU analysis. Clefable is a mixed bag. It possesses the godliest movepool ever and the best ability ever, but is let down really hard by its rather.... meh stats and unspectacular typing. plus, heracross just laughs at it. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Jun 18th, 2011, 9:50:16 PM	#118
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,527 ~(^.^)~	Sceptile Murkrow Ludicolo Ninjask good to go Leafeon, Mandibuzz, and Cryogonal I'm going to hold out on for a bit. Leafeon because Celebi/Sceptile > Leafeon, Mandibuzz because it is pretty meh from what I've seen and really it loses to most other defensive Pokemon one on one (Deoxys-D in particular though there are more), and Cryogonal because it's a freaking Ice type. I have seen Meru use Cryogonal to some success, but overall it's pretty underwhelming too. EDIT: Also Chansey > Clefable

Jun 21st, 2011, 1:06:39 AM	#120
kniteowl Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 322	Does Magneton Deserve a Spot? It has a niche for trapping Steels. Magneton can potentially trapping and KO-ing your opponent Annoying Steel Types that don't carry a Fighting, fire or ground move, like Magnezone in OU Potentailly taking out Foes like Empoleon, Escavelier, Durant, and even Registeel if Magneton carries a Air balloon or magnet rise. It even Speed ties with Bisharp if Bisharp happens to max Speed EV. It'd come down to a coin flip to who hits first with brick break or HP-fire and Magneton Resist Suckerpunch, if Bisharp decides to go for reliable damage, if they know they can not out speed Magneton. Magneton's only competition in UU trapping is Wobbuffet and Dugtrio. Wobbuffet is a different Beast all together While Dugtrio is very frail can can't really switch into anything that isn't a electric attack, and used more like a revenger. The only thing Dugtrio is better at doing or just as good as doing in terms of taking out steels are Cobalion and Empoleon (although Empoleon has access to Aqua Jet but it's rarely used) Dugtrio won't be KO-ing Escavelier, Durant, Registeel unless significantly damage or Bisharp who has priority sucker punch. Dugtrio obviously traps everything else better that doesn't Fly, Levitate, carry a Air Balloon or has access to Baton-Pass and U-turn What about Bouffalant? Although Sawsbuck does a similar job with Sap Sipper and has Greater Speed, Bouffalant has a Higher Attack and bulk and doesn't suffer 5 extra weaknesses from a secondary grass typing. And Bouffalant has moves Sawsbuck could only dream of like Payback and Pursuit. And with the Removal of Drought, Sawsbuck is likely to fall in usage as previously Sawsbuck was most likely used to leverage Chlorophyll. Bouffalant can come in and wall, while gaining an attack boost from most of the Grass pokemon threats like Celebi, Shaymin, Roserade, Tangrowth, Abomasnow or anyone carrying a grass move like Venemoth's sleep powder. Pursuit is especially interesting as it put Celebi in a checkmate position, especially if bouffalant is carrying an choice band and received a attack boost from celebi's grass moves (like leech seed or leaf storm) It can also pursuit the many frail sweeping ghost type like Mismagius if they don't have Will-o-wisp. and even if you don't pursuit, with a choice band and and a attack boost from Sap Sipper Combined with it's signature Stab Move Head Charge, it will do a lot of damage. Other notable mentions I can think of... Amoonguss It's has access to Spore, The only other pokemon that have it in UU are Smeargle and Parasect, not much competition there, it also has Clear smog to Counter pokemon that may try to set up on it. I'm not very familiar with this pokemon so maybe someone else could expalin why it deserve a UU analysis. Walrein Deserves an UU analysis just to exploit Hail with Ice Body and reasonable good bulk. Weezing Is a maybe for me...I'm kinda split whether or not it should deserve a UU Analysis Compared to other Physical walls, the 1st that come to mind are Tangrowth and Registeel. Weezing is used entirely differently with it's move pool that has Pain split, will o wisp and Clear-smog/Haze and only 1 weakness being Psychic which can be supported with a dark type pokemon like Bisharp. But then the likes of Dusclops/Dusknoir comes to mind with better bulk and similar move pool. But Weezing has the advantage of better typing and ability and leftovers, can't be toxic stalled if you're comparing it with Dusclops... hmmm... Sharpedo I'm surprised it's not on the list, anything full evolved pokemon with speed boost, proabably deserve a UU analysis. Cradily Works well together in the sandstorm with Hippotas support, not to mention it Storm drain gives it a Water Immunity and raising it's Special Attack. Last edited by kniteowl; Jun 21st, 2011 at 7:06:01 AM.

Jun 21st, 2011, 10:10:18 AM	#121
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,527 ~(^.^)~	OK Walrein and Sharpedo are on the list. The rest are a big no from me for now. As you said, most are kinda outclassed by other Pokes already on the priority list, so they can wait a little bit.

Jun 21st, 2011, 10:20:36 AM	#122
Scarfwynaut Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,085 PA	Amonguss and Cradily got OU analysises, for Christs sake. Are you telling me in UU there is no niche for them?

Jun 21st, 2011, 11:07:20 AM	#123
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,527 ~(^.^)~	There is, but I want to focus on the important Pokemon for now and get them done so that they can be ready for when the site finally gets updated. I don't want to waste time on niche Pokemon for now. If you want me to explain I can. Amoonguss, while bulky, is fucking slow and gets ass raped by every bird in the tier (Honchkrow, Staraptor, etc.). Cradily needs infinite sandstorm to be useful, and that's not as common as it is in OU with Tyranitar and Hippowdon available. Here we have to rely on Hippopotas (though he isn't too bad). I can do without the condescending tone too.

Jun 21st, 2011, 11:42:02 AM	#124
kniteowl Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 322	I thought Bouffalant was a solid choice... ah well I believe Bouffalant would be better then Sawbuck but I guess that base 95 speed makes all the difference, even though most of the grass types it switches into will likely have a move to counter other grass types like HP-fire/ice or in Abomasnow's case Blizzard. I guess I can only pray for Bouffalant usage to rise and Swasbuck to fall this month, Last month Statistic ranking of #16 was pretty high even if it was related to drought abuse.