Offensive Hydreigon outsped by a Metagross?

hosnappp · Jun 20th, 2011, 7:27:38 PM

I was so baffled. I did Fire Blast, they returned with a Hammer Arm(Of all things!) and my Hydreigon has ~half when they're in the red. I'm like, 'Ok, he's either switching out or he sucks.'

He did Hammer Arm again and my Hydreigon died, effectively having me lose the match.

Can someone explain this to me, please? I'm missing something. I have 252 EV's on Speed, naturally. So...? What went wrong? How can I prevent this in the future?

Also, now that I've got myself a good team and I'm playing on Wifi, there sure are a lot of little girls who quit as they're losing. I once got rematched against someone(the odds) and I was winning the second time around(he won the first time) and he left. That bugged me a lot. I forget that I'm 19 and still playing this great game but at the same time, there must be lots of little kids who still enjoy it.
Edit: not quitting, but disconnecting. Quitters are fine.

jrrrrrrr · Jun 20th, 2011, 7:28:20 PM

It probably had a Choice Scarf...

hosnappp · Jun 20th, 2011, 7:31:51 PM

Ugh, good call. I don't know why I didn't think of that. I had one on that Hydreigon until I found out how useless it is on a mixed sweeper. Not very mixed if you're using one move over and over, eh?

Thanks for the help, I'll just assume that was the case to make myself feel better. At least it was my fault for not predicting it.

ssbbm · Jun 20th, 2011, 7:35:42 PM

Wouldn't Hammer Arm decrease his speed though?_?

hosnappp · Jun 20th, 2011, 7:42:44 PM

That's why I was so 'WHAT?!?!?! HAX.' rage-y. And I also hate when my moves miss 3+ times, sometimes -__-

Iamslow · Jun 20th, 2011, 8:02:40 PM

I never liked the idea of mixed Hydrigeon myself. Personally I like modest choice specs Hydrigeon. That way you can hit bulky Pokemon you'd outspeed anyway without a speed nature as hard as you can with Draco Meteor and Flamethrower/Fire Blast.

Needless to say mine doesn't fight many sweepers and I like it better that way.

~~BattleStar~~ · Jun 21st, 2011, 1:19:52 AM

Must have had choice scarf. Also I just used my new hydrgieon today and I foolishly thought I could outspeed a menishoa. However my had life orbs so I will use a choice scarf

Tyranitarphantom · Jun 21st, 2011, 1:28:04 AM

so, first turn Hydreigon outsped Metagross, Metagross used Hammer Arm and lowered it's own speed, and then outran Hydreigon the next turn? The only possible explanations for that are Quick Claw or Custap Berry. Or maybe Metagross was Scarfed, and there was Trick Room up? I can't think of any other explanations

**Pocket** · Jun 21st, 2011, 1:33:17 AM

It has to be Quick Claw, as Tyranitarphantom stated. Or Custap Berry, but I don't think that pinch berries are available for BW.

Fuchsia · Jun 21st, 2011, 1:33:59 AM

Does clear body prevent self-stat drops?
I feel like they just could have tied in speed.

Tyranitarphantom · Jun 21st, 2011, 1:39:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Fuchsia

Does clear body prevent self-stat drops?
I feel like they just could have tied in speed.

Unfortunately, it doesn't

TM13IceBeam · Jun 21st, 2011, 1:54:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat hosnappp

I was so baffled. I did Fire Blast, they returned with a Hammer Arm(Of all things!) and my Hydreigon has ~half when they're in the red. I'm like, 'Ok, he's either switching out or he sucks.'

He did Hammer Arm again and my Hydreigon died, effectively having me lose the match.

Can someone explain this to me, please? I'm missing something. I have 252 EV's on Speed, naturally. So...? What went wrong? How can I prevent this in the future?

Did any activation of an item occur before Metagross Hammer Arm'd again?

Also no, it shouldn't be under TR, since Metagross is naturally slower than Hydreigon.

Daenym · Jun 21st, 2011, 2:08:31 AM

Scarf Metagross vs. Non-Scarf Hydreigon in TR does make sense. The opponent would have to be REALLY stupid, granted. But a Metagross on a TR team as a "backup" for when TR is gone is possible, I suppose. And he just got forced in prior to TR turns running out.

Really, without knowing any other details of the battle it's impossible to tell. It could be that Gross got the Scarf Tricked onto him, which would make a TR team with a ScarfMetagross hurt my brain less XD

Otherwise, it'd have to be Quick Claw, like Pocket said. It activating could go unnoticed in a fit of "I'MA ROAST YOU" fury.

Jun 20th, 2011, 7:27:38 PM	#1
hosnappp Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6	Offensive Hydreigon outsped by a Metagross? I was so baffled. I did Fire Blast, they returned with a Hammer Arm(Of all things!) and my Hydreigon has ~half when they're in the red. I'm like, 'Ok, he's either switching out or he sucks.' He did Hammer Arm again and my Hydreigon died, effectively having me lose the match. Can someone explain this to me, please? I'm missing something. I have 252 EV's on Speed, naturally. So...? What went wrong? How can I prevent this in the future? Also, now that I've got myself a good team and I'm playing on Wifi, there sure are a lot of little girls who quit as they're losing. I once got rematched against someone(the odds) and I was winning the second time around(he won the first time) and he left. That bugged me a lot. I forget that I'm 19 and still playing this great game but at the same time, there must be lots of little kids who still enjoy it. Edit: not quitting, but disconnecting. Quitters are fine.

Jun 20th, 2011, 7:28:20 PM	#2
jrrrrrrr wubwubwub Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,130 wubwubwub	It probably had a Choice Scarf... __________________ NIGMAN: JRRRR IS A SHIT NIGMAN: HO ESLE THINK IT??

Jun 20th, 2011, 8:02:40 PM	#6
Iamslow Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 532	I never liked the idea of mixed Hydrigeon myself. Personally I like modest choice specs Hydrigeon. That way you can hit bulky Pokemon you'd outspeed anyway without a speed nature as hard as you can with Draco Meteor and Flamethrower/Fire Blast. Needless to say mine doesn't fight many sweepers and I like it better that way. __________________ Art thread for shits and giggles- http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3448822

Jun 21st, 2011, 1:28:04 AM	#8
Tyranitarphantom Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 363 Kentucky	so, first turn Hydreigon outsped Metagross, Metagross used Hammer Arm and lowered it's own speed, and then outran Hydreigon the next turn? The only possible explanations for that are Quick Claw or Custap Berry. Or maybe Metagross was Scarfed, and there was Trick Room up? I can't think of any other explanations __________________ My Scramble Challanges, or more importantly, My Pokemon Blue Scramble Challange! Check out Well Seasoned Gaming! Current LPs: Metroid Prime, Pokemon Sapphire, and Illusions of Gaia My main alt on Showdown is Switcheroo When playing on Wifi, I use legal hacks

Jun 21st, 2011, 1:33:17 AM	#9
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Jun 20th, 2011, 7:31:51 PM	#3
hosnappp Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6	Ugh, good call. I don't know why I didn't think of that. I had one on that Hydreigon until I found out how useless it is on a mixed sweeper. Not very mixed if you're using one move over and over, eh? Thanks for the help, I'll just assume that was the case to make myself feel better. At least it was my fault for not predicting it.

Jun 20th, 2011, 7:35:42 PM	#4
ssbbm Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,001 Where you can play Pokemon with Singing Narwhals and Dancing Clouds	Wouldn't Hammer Arm decrease his speed though?_?

Jun 20th, 2011, 7:42:44 PM	#5
hosnappp Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6	That's why I was so 'WHAT?!?!?! HAX.' rage-y. And I also hate when my moves miss 3+ times, sometimes -__-

Jun 21st, 2011, 1:19:52 AM	#7
~~BattleStar~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 629 In a desert far away.	Must have had choice scarf. Also I just used my new hydrgieon today and I foolishly thought I could outspeed a menishoa. However my had life orbs so I will use a choice scarf

Jun 21st, 2011, 1:33:59 AM	#10
Fuchsia Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 63	Does clear body prevent self-stat drops? I feel like they just could have tied in speed.

Jun 21st, 2011, 2:08:31 AM	#13
Daenym Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 555	Scarf Metagross vs. Non-Scarf Hydreigon in TR does make sense. The opponent would have to be REALLY stupid, granted. But a Metagross on a TR team as a "backup" for when TR is gone is possible, I suppose. And he just got forced in prior to TR turns running out. Really, without knowing any other details of the battle it's impossible to tell. It could be that Gross got the Scarf Tricked onto him, which would make a TR team with a ScarfMetagross hurt my brain less XD Otherwise, it'd have to be Quick Claw, like Pocket said. It activating could go unnoticed in a fit of "I'MA ROAST YOU" fury. __________________ [15:11] <MK_Ultra> that kid is asking to be molested