Smogon University PO Statistics — June 2011 - Page 15

Steamroll · Aug 25th, 2011, 1:46:08 PM

July is pretty much void because of all the server problems Smogon suffered through.

Looking at those usage stats from June and comparing them to now I hate to say it but I cannot escape Quagsire. He shows up atleast once every two-three battles. Whimsicott would be better off in UU and I'm glad that it's dropped off so much. Volcarona has fallen off a cliff, haven't encountered one in two weeks.

pharaohcalvin · Aug 25th, 2011, 2:18:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cold Fusion

He still can't muscle through Ferrothorn. And don't bring up Rivalry, your walls should be female to avoid that.

What if I make my Haxorus, so I can hit your Ferrothorn with a Rivalry boosted attacks? It is possible so it should be noted.

**Mario With Lasers** · Aug 25th, 2011, 2:38:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cold Fusion

He still can't muscle through Ferrothorn. And don't bring up Rivalry, your walls should be female to avoid that.

Brick Break????? Besides, lol I can use a female Haxorus too.

**PK Gaming** · Aug 25th, 2011, 2:41:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Brick Break????? Besides, lol I can use a female Haxorus too.

I've been starting to use that. You already OHKO most offensive pokemon anyway, and the majority of defensive Pokemon are female. At least towards the upper end of the ladder (you're better off using male rivalry at the lower end)

Smashing a female Skarmory with a rivalry boosted Outrage is the greatest feeling the world.

Steamroll · Aug 25th, 2011, 3:32:46 PM

The one problem I have with Rivalry is that it is a high risk/high reward ability and it's a nuisance when you don't get the boost and end up failing to KO at key moments.

Of course if you manage to get the boost you can score key KO's that probably wouldn't of have happened.

How about PK Gaming's boosted Haxorus? Well let's see the results:

Rivarly Swords Dance Haxorus (male) vs. Physically Defensive Skarm (Male and Female)
Haxorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Rivalry
Adamant Nature
252 atk EVs
-Swords Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Brick Break/taunt

Skarmory @ shed shell/ leftovers
Ability: sturdy
Impish Nature
252 HP/ 252 Def EV's

Rivalry Boosted Outrage (+0) does 32.3% - 38.3%
Rivalry Hindered Outrage (+0) does 19.8% - 23.4%
Rivalry Boosted Outrage (+2) does 64.7% - 76.3%
Rivalry Hindered Outrage (+2) does 39.2% - 46.1%

So that shows how much different Boosted and hindered Rivalry makes a difference between a 2hko and a 3hko (counting roost it's a 3hko with + rivalry and set-up bait with - rivalry).

It's great when it boosts but you can cost yourself the match if rivalry hinders your attack.

OldManOak · Aug 28th, 2011, 4:59:57 AM

Well I guess Ferrothorn, Tyranitar and Politoed should enjoy their time in the spot light while they can, as soon as Tech Breloom is released there is and answer for all three of them meaning Scizor and Gliscor should continue to rise when it becomes released.

Pwnemon · Aug 28th, 2011, 11:33:23 AM

good point, although technician breloom can take Scizor and Gliscor with relative ease as well.

252 Atk Adamant Breloom Mach Punch vs. 248 HP Adamant Scizor: 40.8 - 48.7: OHKO after rocks and an SD on average.

252 Atk Adamant Breloom Bullet Seed (Three hits) vs. 252 HP/252 Def Impish Gliscor: 44.1% - 53.4%: OHKO after SD and rocks.

Please note he also gets Spore for Scizor.

TM13IceBeam · Aug 28th, 2011, 11:49:18 AM

I think we can just stop discussing about Rivalry Haxorus. Frankly, Rivalry is a TERRIBLE ability, since you cannot control the gender of the opposing Pokemon. The only Pokemon in OU that has fixed genders are the genies, Blissey and the genderless guys.

Sure, you can run female, but on a normal battler that doesn't change gender, you lose power against anything that isn't Blissey. If you run male, a random noob running a female Skarmory wins. :/

**PK Gaming** · Aug 28th, 2011, 11:52:38 AM

It was just a suggestion geez. Like I said before, Rivalry is good once you get a feel for the ladder and that power boost should never be underestimated. I do prefer Mold Breaker (simply because its one of the coolest abilities in the game bar none) but I'd like to give Rivalry credit where credit is due. It deserves that much at least.

@ steamroll, Mold Breaker is a superior ability on the Swords Dance set.

Bone Dragon · Aug 28th, 2011, 2:46:55 PM

I change as many of my pokes as possible to female because of random Rivalry and Attract users....

To try to change the subject...will Gastrodon be OU in the near future? Because I have been seeing it everywhere and its actually pretty good

lordkira · Aug 28th, 2011, 2:58:46 PM

i'd say gastrodon is a definite OU material
it counters the three main weathers really well, especially rain team
fucking with thundurus for instance is too awesome to pass up
i have no idea why swamper it up there with the OU dudes however

ShakeItUp · Aug 28th, 2011, 4:08:03 PM

I haven't seen a Swampert yet in 5th gen. However, the usage stats haven't been updated yet, and I doubt it will be in OU for much longer. I've seen Gastrodon on a lot of teams though. Swampert basically has nothing over Quagsire and Gastrodon except that it can set up Stealth Rock and phaze, but the lack of recovery definitely demolishes that advantage.

lordkira · Aug 28th, 2011, 4:40:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TheMasterOfOz

I haven't seen a Swampert yet in 5th gen. However, the usage stats haven't been updated yet, and I doubt it will be in OU for much longer. I've seen Gastrodon on a lot of teams though. Swampert basically has nothing over Quagsire and Gastrodon except that it can set up Stealth Rock and phaze, but the lack of recovery definitely demolishes that advantage.

on PO, which shares very similar stats as smogon's, swampert is mid-OU still.

what123 · Aug 28th, 2011, 8:28:35 PM

Good to see that people finally see that thick fat mamoswine is a good counter to dragonite, specially defensive jirachi, balloon heatran, and other things.

Steamroll · Aug 28th, 2011, 8:42:27 PM

Yeah PKG I realize that. I was just making an example with a swords dance haxorus (which was the first haxorus set that came to my mind).

Super Mario Bro · Aug 28th, 2011, 8:45:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat what123

Good to see that people finally see that thick fat mamoswine is a good counter to dragonite, specially defensive jirachi, balloon heatran, and other things.

Unfortunately, Thick Fat Mamo can't legally learn Ice Shard, Superpower, Icicle Spear, or Stealth Rock which makes it a pretty lousy alternative to the regular Snow Cloak version.

Also, Mamoswine can't switch directly into any of those. I think the word you are looking for is "check", not counter.

Redtype · Aug 30th, 2011, 6:33:26 AM

@Swampert in OU - I believe many people are still caught in the 4th Gen mindset when Stealth Rock was a mandatory on every team and Swampert was one of the better users of the move (as well as a decent phazer).

Kind of like Raikou was OU at the beginning of 4th generation because it was such a good sweeper in the previous gen.

Pwnemon · Aug 30th, 2011, 10:58:26 AM

This begs the question: IS SWAMPERT THE ELECTIVIRE OF 5 GEN?

**PK Gaming** · Aug 30th, 2011, 1:15:12 PM

Short Answer: YES

Long Answer: Its higher than Pokemon like Mew, Mamoswine, Gastrodon, Slowbro, etc despite being significantly worse than them. Its even worse than E-vire was in gen IV.

Redtype · Aug 30th, 2011, 4:41:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Pwnemon

This begs the question: IS SWAMPERT THE ELECTIVIRE OF 5 GEN?

I don't think so. Swampert was a great Pokemon in the last two gens. Electivire was never good, just overhyped.

alphatron · Aug 30th, 2011, 4:47:37 PM

Fifth gen does not have an electivire. Even the over hyped pokemon ended up being moderately good in OU.

ala · Aug 30th, 2011, 4:48:08 PM

Honestly, Swampert isn't that bad. It's a good check to sand threats, gets a boosted Waterfall in the rain, counters Thundurus and Jirachi, sets up SR and can Roar to rack up hazard damage. I might make a Swampert team just to troll you guys with.

**Mario With Lasers** · Aug 30th, 2011, 5:39:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Redtype

I don't think so. Swampert was a great Pokemon in the last two gens. Electivire was never good, just overhyped.

Clearly you haven't played DP without Platinum to say that. Electivire never was top-tier, but to say it was "never good"?

The real overhype here is the "Electivire was overhyped" one.

jwoozie · Aug 30th, 2011, 7:28:44 PM

CB Pert in the rain can be a pretty big threat to teams lacking Rotom-W. Waterfall in the rain hurts a lot. It does something around 40%+ to Latios switching in. Superpower smacks incoming Ferrothorn, Earthquake is powerful STAB and Ice Punch can be thrown on for even better coverage even though you won't use it much. With 252 HP and no defensive investment 'Pert is still very bulky and can take on threats such as Terrakion, Tyranitar, GK-less Thundurus, unboosted Excadrill.

It's not an amazing poke by any means, but with rain support and hazards it can make huge dents in teams. Wish support would make it even more dangerous.

It has no answer to Rotom-W, however.

bluemon · Aug 30th, 2011, 8:43:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat jwoozie

CB Pert in the rain can be a pretty big threat to teams lacking Rotom-W. Waterfall in the rain hurts a lot. It does something around 40%+ to Latios switching in. Superpower smacks incoming Ferrothorn, Earthquake is powerful STAB and Ice Punch can be thrown on for even better coverage even though you won't use it much. With 252 HP and no defensive investment 'Pert is still very bulky and can take on threats such as Terrakion, Tyranitar, GK-less Thundurus, unboosted Excadrill.

It's not an amazing poke by any means, but with rain support and hazards it can make huge dents in teams. Wish support would make it even more dangerous.

It has no answer to Rotom-W, however.

specs swampert

scald
ice beam
earth power
hp grass

Aug 25th, 2011, 1:46:08 PM	#351
Steamroll Woof Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,750 (*・_・)ノ⌒┻━┻ Mentor	July is pretty much void because of all the server problems Smogon suffered through. Looking at those usage stats from June and comparing them to now I hate to say it but I cannot escape Quagsire. He shows up atleast once every two-three battles. Whimsicott would be better off in UU and I'm glad that it's dropped off so much. Volcarona has fallen off a cliff, haven't encountered one in two weeks. __________________ *Pokemon Showdown!* \| *#pokemon!* \| *teambats!* *emoticons!* \| *chat logs!* \| *Gen VI!* \| *roller coaster!* \| *Henry!*

Aug 28th, 2011, 11:33:23 AM	#357
Pwnemon Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,956 Maryland	good point, although technician breloom can take Scizor and Gliscor with relative ease as well. 252 Atk Adamant Breloom Mach Punch vs. 248 HP Adamant Scizor: 40.8 - 48.7: OHKO after rocks and an SD on average. 252 Atk Adamant Breloom Bullet Seed (Three hits) vs. 252 HP/252 Def Impish Gliscor: 44.1% - 53.4%: OHKO after SD and rocks. Please note he also gets Spore for Scizor. __________________ [11:56pm] Pwnemon: statutory rape and all [11:56pm] bmelts: i have such a huge boner right now [9:28pm] Kadew: pwnemon that signature is like an x marking the spot of treasure, except instead of treasure its a pile of humorous garbage that turtles crapped out

Aug 28th, 2011, 11:49:18 AM	#358
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,244 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	I think we can just stop discussing about Rivalry Haxorus. Frankly, Rivalry is a TERRIBLE ability, since you cannot control the gender of the opposing Pokemon. The only Pokemon in OU that has fixed genders are the genies, Blissey and the genderless guys. Sure, you can run female, but on a normal battler that doesn't change gender, you lose power against anything that isn't Blissey. If you run male, a random noob running a female Skarmory wins. :/ __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me

Aug 28th, 2011, 11:52:38 AM	#359
PK Gaming Quiet Thunder God Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,520 Izanagi	It was just a suggestion geez. Like I said before, Rivalry is good once you get a feel for the ladder and that power boost should never be underestimated. I do prefer Mold Breaker (simply because its one of the coolest abilities in the game bar none) but I'd like to give Rivalry credit where credit is due. It deserves that much at least. @ steamroll, Mold Breaker is a superior ability on the Swords Dance set. __________________

Aug 28th, 2011, 2:46:55 PM	#360
Bone Dragon Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 89 Gekkoukan High	I change as many of my pokes as possible to female because of random Rivalry and Attract users.... To try to change the subject...will Gastrodon be OU in the near future? Because I have been seeing it everywhere and its actually pretty good __________________ "Living is easy with eyes closed" -The Beatles, "Strawberry Fields Forever"

Aug 25th, 2011, 3:32:46 PM	#355
Steamroll Woof Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,750 (*・_・)ノ⌒┻━┻ Mentor	The one problem I have with Rivalry is that it is a high risk/high reward ability and it's a nuisance when you don't get the boost and end up failing to KO at key moments. Of course if you manage to get the boost you can score key KO's that probably wouldn't of have happened. How about PK Gaming's boosted Haxorus? Well let's see the results: Rivarly Swords Dance Haxorus (male) vs. Physically Defensive Skarm (Male and Female) Haxorus @ Life Orb Ability: Rivalry Adamant Nature 252 atk EVs -Swords Dance -Outrage -Earthquake -Brick Break/taunt Skarmory @ shed shell/ leftovers Ability: sturdy Impish Nature 252 HP/ 252 Def EV's Rivalry Boosted Outrage (+0) does 32.3% - 38.3% Rivalry Hindered Outrage (+0) does 19.8% - 23.4% Rivalry Boosted Outrage (+2) does 64.7% - 76.3% Rivalry Hindered Outrage (+2) does 39.2% - 46.1% So that shows how much different Boosted and hindered Rivalry makes a difference between a 2hko and a 3hko (counting roost it's a 3hko with + rivalry and set-up bait with - rivalry). It's great when it boosts but you can cost yourself the match if rivalry hinders your attack.

Aug 28th, 2011, 4:59:57 AM	#356
OldManOak Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1 Canada	Well I guess Ferrothorn, Tyranitar and Politoed should enjoy their time in the spot light while they can, as soon as Tech Breloom is released there is and answer for all three of them meaning Scizor and Gliscor should continue to rise when it becomes released.

Aug 28th, 2011, 2:58:46 PM	#361
lordkira Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 994 won't	i'd say gastrodon is a definite OU material it counters the three main weathers really well, especially rain team fucking with thundurus for instance is too awesome to pass up i have no idea why swamper it up there with the OU dudes however

Aug 28th, 2011, 4:08:03 PM	#362
ShakeItUp Darkravenn12: Always and Forever Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,114 Mentor	I haven't seen a Swampert yet in 5th gen. However, the usage stats haven't been updated yet, and I doubt it will be in OU for much longer. I've seen Gastrodon on a lot of teams though. Swampert basically has nothing over Quagsire and Gastrodon except that it can set up Stealth Rock and phaze, but the lack of recovery definitely demolishes that advantage.

Aug 28th, 2011, 8:28:35 PM	#364
what123 Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 41	Good to see that people finally see that thick fat mamoswine is a good counter to dragonite, specially defensive jirachi, balloon heatran, and other things. __________________ irock245 on serebii. Join our serebii clan TSS if you have both a smogon and serebii acounts! Go here: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=552357

Aug 28th, 2011, 8:42:27 PM	#365
Steamroll Woof Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,750 (*・_・)ノ⌒┻━┻ Mentor	Yeah PKG I realize that. I was just making an example with a swords dance haxorus (which was the first haxorus set that came to my mind). __________________ *Pokemon Showdown!* \| *#pokemon!* \| *teambats!* *emoticons!* \| *chat logs!* \| *Gen VI!* \| *roller coaster!* \| *Henry!*

Aug 30th, 2011, 6:33:26 AM	#367
Redtype Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 742 Caution - Sawsbucks on road	@Swampert in OU - I believe many people are still caught in the 4th Gen mindset when Stealth Rock was a mandatory on every team and Swampert was one of the better users of the move (as well as a decent phazer). Kind of like Raikou was OU at the beginning of 4th generation because it was such a good sweeper in the previous gen. __________________ Trading is a serious business. White FC: 1678 3054 7710 SoulSilver FC: 2622 5126 4730

Aug 30th, 2011, 10:58:26 AM	#368
Pwnemon Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,956 Maryland	This begs the question: IS SWAMPERT THE ELECTIVIRE OF 5 GEN? __________________ [11:56pm] Pwnemon: statutory rape and all [11:56pm] bmelts: i have such a huge boner right now [9:28pm] Kadew: pwnemon that signature is like an x marking the spot of treasure, except instead of treasure its a pile of humorous garbage that turtles crapped out

Aug 30th, 2011, 1:15:12 PM	#369
PK Gaming Quiet Thunder God Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,520 Izanagi	Short Answer: YES Long Answer: Its higher than Pokemon like Mew, Mamoswine, Gastrodon, Slowbro, etc despite being significantly worse than them. Its even worse than E-vire was in gen IV. __________________

Aug 30th, 2011, 4:47:37 PM	#371
alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair! Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,357	Fifth gen does not have an electivire. Even the over hyped pokemon ended up being moderately good in OU. __________________ Fifth Gen OU RMT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...67#post3383567

Aug 30th, 2011, 4:48:08 PM	#372
ala a Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,967 mercinary	Honestly, Swampert isn't that bad. It's a good check to sand threats, gets a boosted Waterfall in the rain, counters Thundurus and Jirachi, sets up SR and can Roar to rack up hazard damage. I might make a Swampert team just to troll you guys with.

Aug 30th, 2011, 7:28:44 PM	#374
jwoozie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 401 Merced	CB Pert in the rain can be a pretty big threat to teams lacking Rotom-W. Waterfall in the rain hurts a lot. It does something around 40%+ to Latios switching in. Superpower smacks incoming Ferrothorn, Earthquake is powerful STAB and Ice Punch can be thrown on for even better coverage even though you won't use it much. With 252 HP and no defensive investment 'Pert is still very bulky and can take on threats such as Terrakion, Tyranitar, GK-less Thundurus, unboosted Excadrill. It's not an amazing poke by any means, but with rain support and hazards it can make huge dents in teams. Wish support would make it even more dangerous. It has no answer to Rotom-W, however.