(Data) Data Audit Thread MkII (Contains All System Data) [ABILITY CATEGORIES REVAMPED] - Page 6

Objection · Dec 6th, 2011, 6:54:52 PM

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3a. Ending Toxic cap.

5 DPA is pretty strong, but Toxic really doesn't have an in-game limit. And really, if your opponent even gets to the point where Toxic would go above 5 DPA, you're either hopelessly outmatched or they are ridiculously good at stalling.

From Toxic's description in the DAT

Quote:

Over time the Toxic damage will gradually increase each round from 1 HP per action to 5 HP per action.

Can we get this inconsistency sorted out please?

Flamestrike · Dec 6th, 2011, 10:59:52 PM

Was that actually officially voted in? I wasn't sure if it was or not.

Objection · Dec 6th, 2011, 11:18:09 PM

I thought it was just implemented by fiat or something.

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Deck Knight

Bad Poison:
Gains in strength each round. It starts off dealing one (1) damage per action and increases by one (1) damage each round. Bad Poison has no damage per action limit.

Yep, it was.

Son_of_Shadoo · Dec 7th, 2011, 5:49:52 AM

As I mentioned in the current leadership battle between Kaxtar and Toast, there seems to be no mention in the DAT of Hurricane's effect on Flying foes, and there's no mention of it (or Gust, Twister, etc) in Bounce as well - I'm pretty sure this needs to be changed.

SimonSays · Dec 7th, 2011, 6:29:17 AM

Baton Pass has absolutely no mention of any switching capabilities.

Objection · Dec 7th, 2011, 9:56:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat SimonSays

Baton Pass has absolutely no mention of any switching capabilities.

I did double-check this with Deck once and he did confirm that Baton Pass can be used to switch out. I would assume that, like Volt Switch and U-Turn, the user of Baton Pass would be required to order first. Now we just need to wait for someone to put this in the DAT. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the power to edit posts in the DAT.

Son_of_Shadoo · Dec 7th, 2011, 1:25:13 PM

I believe DAT editing powers were supposed to be given to Leethoof, IceBug, me and a fourth user I've completely forgotten (sorry!) but that hasn't materialised yet.

Objection · Dec 12th, 2011, 11:42:07 PM

There is a line in the attract status description that says the status can only occur if the target is in the same egg group as the user. This should be in the move Attract's description in the DAT.

ToastTyrant13 · Dec 20th, 2011, 9:51:03 PM

Just postin' to say that Krillowatt should be updated to Protowatt since it was decided on quite a long time ago in the Create a Pokemon forums.

Edit: oops, seems that Flame already posted that at the bottom of last page. Here's the sprite though since all that exists at the moment is the whole 192 x 384 sprite sheet.

Son_of_Shadoo · Dec 22nd, 2011, 6:01:04 PM

Why does Secret Sword cost 6 energy, when all other moves in the 9-10 power bracket cost 7?

Objection · Jan 4th, 2012, 8:26:44 PM

Something I am going to point out right now is that, in Safeguard's DAT description, it says the Safeguard disappears if the user switches out. However, this is inconsistent with the other screens, which remain if the user switches, and according to Veekun, Safeguard does not disappear if the user switches out.

So ... is there a reason for this discrepancy?

EDIT: And another thing, how come Magical Leaf costs 5 energy when all the other 6 BAP perfect accuracy moves cost 4?

zarator · Jan 31st, 2012, 12:50:43 PM

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Cursed Body:

Type: Innate

When this Pokemon is struck by an opponent's attack that makes contact, there is a 30% chance that the attack will be disabled. Only one of the opponent's attacks can be disabled at a time due to Cursed Body.

Pokemon with this ability: Shuppet, Bannette, Froslass, Frillish, Jellicent, Kitsunoh, Voodoll.

This is incorrect, at least assuming it is meant to be consistent with in-game. Cursed Body works with any kind of move, not just contact moves (I just saw it when I used Shadow Ball against a Jellicent a while ago). Can we change this please?

SoSedit: I'm on it!

Dogfish44 · Feb 5th, 2012, 8:11:43 AM

Can we remove TM03 Water Pulse from Protowatt's 5th Gen TMs on the principle that Water Pulse is not a TM anymore?

AlchEdit: Yep.

LouisCyphre · Feb 8th, 2012, 6:01:14 PM

So, uh, why were Screens altered without telling anyone? At all?

typon77 · Feb 8th, 2012, 9:01:40 PM

Agreeing with Lou. I just reffed screens illegally I guess.
That's kind of a big change.

Axmaster68 · Feb 8th, 2012, 9:16:36 PM

Thirding the above notion. This could be a big issue when reffing, even though I'm not a ref.

Flamestrike · Feb 8th, 2012, 11:11:18 PM

SDS mentioned it on IRC, I guess he never posted about it, which he probably should have done :/

C$FP · Feb 11th, 2012, 11:04:17 AM

The Referee Training Grounds desperately needs to be updated. At the very least, substitution rules and Toxic poison (there is no cap anymore) need to be updated in there, but I am sure there would be more things if I checked.

C$FP · Feb 13th, 2012, 11:36:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Referee Training Grounds

For the Speed stat, it will follow in-game rules in terms of multipliers for stage boosts; however, calculations are done with the Pokemon's base Speed stat. For instance, a 70 Speed Pokemon using Agility will wind up with 140 Speed, while a 70 Speed Pokemon slowed by Mud Shot will have 46.9 or 47 Speed.

Speed boosters don't work like in-game anymore, now it's x1.75 per stage.

Lord Jesseus · Feb 22nd, 2012, 8:52:54 PM

Yo
So I'm sure many of you have thought "damn I wish CAPs had Veekun pages"
This is of course because the layout of Veekun is much easier to follow in terms of movesets compared to the DAT.
So today I began working on this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1ZHNWE5SW9FY0E
As you can see it lists the movesets (currently just Syclar and Syclant) in the same fasion as Veekun.
Thoughts? Will people find this useful, and shall I keep working on it (ie do the other CAPs)?
I've considered condensing the movelist to be more ASB-Relevant, getting rid of the gen 4/5 colums and just listing the MC cost of the move.
Any ideas or criticisms welcome.
edit: I might also add other ASB relevant things like ASB stats, types and abilties with descriptions, move details (bap, acc, description - this is less likely though, especially the latter)

Dummy007 · Feb 22nd, 2012, 9:13:16 PM

YES! Praise the Lord (Jesseus)! I know I'm not the only one who's been agitated with trying to sift through the Gen IV movepools and compare them to Gen V. I will definitely use this for my two CAP 'mons in the future!

Lord Jesseus · Feb 22nd, 2012, 9:23:17 PM

I've just made a modified version. Instead of learned level/tm number etc it just lists the cost of the move.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...nBtOXkzZXpFMXc
0 is lvl up under 25, 1 is level up over 25, 2 is 5th gen tms/tutors, 3 is egg moves, previous gen moves.
Simple enough yeah?

waterwarrior · Feb 22nd, 2012, 9:48:53 PM

Damn, that's just plain awesome! Keep up the badass work for the rest of the CAPs! :D

Lord Jesseus · Feb 23rd, 2012, 12:28:50 AM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...jNGdUJtdVVYMEE
The first four CAP lines.
There are some oddities in the TM lists which might be errors, highlighted in yellow.
(Namely there are moves which appear in 4th gen TM movesets but not 5th gen, even though the tm exists in both)

Dummy007 · Feb 27th, 2012, 10:25:59 PM

Bulldoze is listed before Bulk Up for no discernible reason.

SoSedit: Fixed.

Dec 6th, 2011, 10:59:52 PM	#127
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Son_of_Shadoo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,863 Northern Ireland	As I mentioned in the current leadership battle between Kaxtar and Toast, there seems to be no mention in the DAT of Hurricane's effect on Flying foes, and there's no mention of it (or Gust, Twister, etc) in Bounce as well - I'm pretty sure this needs to be changed. __________________ CAP ASB Team ASB Referee Profile My Soundcloud 23:53 SevenDeadlySins i hereby appoint MK_Ultra fagmaster general of asb 23:53 MK_Ultra that post comes with ops right 23:53 SevenDeadlySins bops

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Dec 7th, 2011, 1:25:13 PM	#132
Son_of_Shadoo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,863 Northern Ireland	I believe DAT editing powers were supposed to be given to Leethoof, IceBug, me and a fourth user I've completely forgotten (sorry!) but that hasn't materialised yet. __________________ CAP ASB Team ASB Referee Profile My Soundcloud 23:53 SevenDeadlySins i hereby appoint MK_Ultra fagmaster general of asb 23:53 MK_Ultra that post comes with ops right 23:53 SevenDeadlySins bops

Dec 12th, 2011, 11:42:07 PM	#133
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,158 Kingdom of the Pedants, of which I am the king.	There is a line in the attract status description that says the status can only occur if the target is in the same egg group as the user. This should be in the move Attract's description in the DAT. __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Dec 20th, 2011, 9:51:03 PM	#134
ToastTyrant13 Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,163 Go against nature! It's part of nature.	Just postin' to say that Krillowatt should be updated to Protowatt since it was decided on quite a long time ago in the Create a Pokemon forums. Edit: oops, seems that Flame already posted that at the bottom of last page. Here's the sprite though since all that exists at the moment is the whole 192 x 384 sprite sheet.

Dec 22nd, 2011, 6:01:04 PM	#135
Son_of_Shadoo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,863 Northern Ireland	Why does Secret Sword cost 6 energy, when all other moves in the 9-10 power bracket cost 7? __________________ CAP ASB Team ASB Referee Profile My Soundcloud 23:53 SevenDeadlySins i hereby appoint MK_Ultra fagmaster general of asb 23:53 MK_Ultra that post comes with ops right 23:53 SevenDeadlySins bops

Jan 4th, 2012, 8:26:44 PM	#136
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,158 Kingdom of the Pedants, of which I am the king.	Something I am going to point out right now is that, in Safeguard's DAT description, it says the Safeguard disappears if the user switches out. However, this is inconsistent with the other screens, which remain if the user switches, and according to Veekun, Safeguard does not disappear if the user switches out. So ... is there a reason for this discrepancy? EDIT: And another thing, how come Magical Leaf costs 5 energy when all the other 6 BAP perfect accuracy moves cost 4? __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites Last edited by Objection; Jan 18th, 2012 at 7:18:50 AM.

Feb 5th, 2012, 8:11:43 AM	#138
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Feb 8th, 2012, 6:01:14 PM	#139
LouisCyphre heralds disaster. Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,292 fucking majestic	So, uh, why were Screens altered without telling anyone? At all? __________________ (CAP ASB \| ASB Ref \| Battle Pike \| ASB Labyrinth \| ASB Inquisition) 12:36 Gun6 http://i.imgur.com/fx9uX7v.png yikes 12:36 Gun6 it's like you're wearing spongebob

Feb 8th, 2012, 9:01:40 PM	#140
typon77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,378	Agreeing with Lou. I just reffed screens illegally I guess. That's kind of a big change. __________________ CAP ASB Team \| Reffing Profile i asked for an adamant orb but they traded me an adamant voltorb how can i report htem

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Feb 11th, 2012, 11:04:17 AM	#143
C$FP Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4,552	The Referee Training Grounds desperately needs to be updated. At the very least, substitution rules and Toxic poison (there is no cap anymore) need to be updated in there, but I am sure there would be more things if I checked. __________________ My CAP ASB Team [23:35] <Jesseus> <Glacier> im not frunk [23:36] <Glacier> jessues whered the d go [21:25] <Pwnemon> look at kax vs cmfp, iar vs cmfp, pwnemon vs cmfp [21:25] <Pwnemon> none of us had teams that by rights should have lost [21:25] <Pwnemon> but he's cm fucking p

Feb 22nd, 2012, 8:52:54 PM	#145
Lord Jesseus Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,581 Australia!	Yo So I'm sure many of you have thought "damn I wish CAPs had Veekun pages" This is of course because the layout of Veekun is much easier to follow in terms of movesets compared to the DAT. So today I began working on this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1ZHNWE5SW9FY0E As you can see it lists the movesets (currently just Syclar and Syclant) in the same fasion as Veekun. Thoughts? Will people find this useful, and shall I keep working on it (ie do the other CAPs)? I've considered condensing the movelist to be more ASB-Relevant, getting rid of the gen 4/5 colums and just listing the MC cost of the move. Any ideas or criticisms welcome. edit: I might also add other ASB relevant things like ASB stats, types and abilties with descriptions, move details (bap, acc, description - this is less likely though, especially the latter) __________________ ASB Profile Last edited by Lord Jesseus; Feb 22nd, 2012 at 9:04:36 PM.

Feb 22nd, 2012, 9:13:16 PM	#146
Dummy007 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,222 It's Hammer Time!	YES! Praise the Lord (Jesseus)! I know I'm not the only one who's been agitated with trying to sift through the Gen IV movepools and compare them to Gen V. I will definitely use this for my two CAP 'mons in the future! __________________ ASB Team ...and as soon as I get back, my computer dies. I will have really limited computer access for an undefined period of time, so please bear with me. <18:06> *** SoS is now known as AwesomeSoS <21:49> Dummy007: TL, read the channel title <21:49 TalkingLion: im a talking lion not a reading lion i cant

Feb 22nd, 2012, 9:23:17 PM	#147
Lord Jesseus Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,581 Australia!	I've just made a modified version. Instead of learned level/tm number etc it just lists the cost of the move. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...nBtOXkzZXpFMXc 0 is lvl up under 25, 1 is level up over 25, 2 is 5th gen tms/tutors, 3 is egg moves, previous gen moves. Simple enough yeah? __________________ ASB Profile

Feb 22nd, 2012, 9:48:53 PM	#148
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Feb 23rd, 2012, 12:28:50 AM	#149
Lord Jesseus Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,581 Australia!	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...jNGdUJtdVVYMEE The first four CAP lines. There are some oddities in the TM lists which might be errors, highlighted in yellow. (Namely there are moves which appear in 4th gen TM movesets but not 5th gen, even though the tm exists in both) __________________ ASB Profile

Feb 27th, 2012, 10:25:59 PM	#150
Dummy007 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,222 It's Hammer Time!	Bulldoze is listed before Bulk Up for no discernible reason. SoSedit: Fixed. __________________ ASB Team ...and as soon as I get back, my computer dies. I will have really limited computer access for an undefined period of time, so please bear with me. <18:06> *** SoS is now known as AwesomeSoS <21:49> Dummy007: TL, read the channel title <21:49 TalkingLion: im a talking lion not a reading lion i cant Last edited by Son_of_Shadoo; Feb 28th, 2012 at 2:48:46 PM.