Porygon 2

Ashenlock · Aug 20th, 2011, 9:13:03 PM

Even before the existence of Eviolite people were starting to pass up Porygon-Z for its pre-evolution. Porygon 2 is one of the most well-boosted Eviolite users, like other Pokemon that were originally final stages. Access to Electric- and Ice-type moves gives it well-rounded coverage, and a couple good abilities mean it has the ability to turn things around.

Porygon 2 #233

HP: 85
Atk: 80
Def: 90
SpA: 105
SpD: 95
Spe: 60

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Machine moves

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Porygon 2 -> Double Battles

->Red Mage<-

Porygon 2 @ Eviolite
MODEST
+Trace / Download+
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
-Charge Beam / Thunderbolt / Tri Attack
-Ice Beam / Tri Attack
-Thunder Wave / Icy Wind
-Recover / Protect

Called the Red Mage because it does a little bit of everything: it hurts and it heals, it enfeebles and it enhances, and it's slashed to high hell. (Also I couldn't think of anything "appropriate" like Standard, Special, etc.) Thunder Wave something or a couple somethings, Ice Beam what you can, Charge Beam what Ice Beam doesn't hit or what is too strong at the moment to beat, and Recover off the damage when you are able.

Icy Wind is another option if you have teammates fast enough to beat out the opposition when the foes are at 2/3 of their normal Spe. It hits both foes (most of the time) and has no type immunities, but it doesn't reduce Spe by a whole ton or stop the foes from attacking 25% of the time.

Trace and Download are both coin flip abilities, both in who they select and what they give you. It's hard to make a judgment on such things. If Download targets a SpD-weak Pokemon, you'll have over 250 SpA at once without having to Charge Beam, and if you Trace Intimidate or Swift Swim, you can really change the game. Generally I prefer Download, but Trace is still useful and not to be forgotten.

Tri Attack is included to not be walled by Lanturn and provide a stronger STAB attack, but prepare to be walled by other things with the loss of coverage, unless you want to lose one of Porygon 2's status-category moves.

The EVs are, as usual for the super-general GBU, very unspecific. If you want to make the most out of the Eviolite, you can split the SpA EVs between the defenses, or, if you're just out to KO the 4x Ice-weak-Dragons and Gyarados, you can find the SpA investment needed to KO them both with your offensive moves.

->Trick Room<-

Porygon 2 @ Eviolite
QUIET
+Download+
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
-Trick Room
-Ice Beam / Tri Attack
-Thunderbolt / Tri Attack
-Magic Coat / Protect

Download is chosen here because, if the two abilities were roughly equal before, Download edges out Trace a bit because of the presence of Swift Swim often in tandem with Politoed on Drizzle teams (If you want to hope for Inner Focus or something else, though, it may be to your benefit to keep Trace).

Here Thunder Wave and Icy Wind are sacrificed for the Trick Room spot, although they wouldn't be useful in TR anyway. The coverage moves are about the same, with Tri Attack in the background in case you don't need general coverage and want a stronger attack. Thunerbolt is chosen over Charge Beam this time because Porygon 2 plays a less stallish role, tending to want to hit hard while it can, and if it can't, disappear until Trick Room is necessary again.

Magic Coat is chosen here because it guards against Taunt, Sleep, and a turn 2 Encore from Whimsicott if the foe thinks you're going to stay in against it. Protect is chosen above Recover because of the same reason as Thunderbolt; Porygon 2 isn't (necessarily) playing in a Drought or Drizzle team, where, against many opponents, the effect will never end. Trick Room is inherently limited, and Porygon 2 doesn't want to fool around trying to win a war of being hit then recovering; Protect is preferred in this scenario because it tends to serve the one-turn purpose of stopping one attack while your partner deals with the other foe.

~~Crafty Scrafty~~ · Aug 20th, 2011, 9:32:31 PM

Porygon2 can also work for Trick Room. Because of his ridiculous bulk, chances are he'll survive the first few turns with ease and probably last a very long time. Magic Coat could also be an option for Dark Void Smeargle and Taunt users (on a Trick Room set).

**Arcticblast** · Aug 20th, 2011, 11:33:57 PM

The Red Mage set is walled to hell and back by Lanturn unless you use Tri Attack.

Superpokemon67 · Aug 21st, 2011, 8:24:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Crafty Scrafty

Porygon2 can also work for Trick Room. Because of his ridiculous bulk, chances are he'll survive the first few turns with ease and probably last a very long time. Magic Coat could also be an option for Dark Void Smeargle and Taunt users (on a Trick Room set).

I ditto Magic Cout, it could be a real game changer in the right situation.

DreamTalon · Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:55:13 PM

I ditto Trick Room, it could also change a game. A set isn't required, but a note in the options would suffice.

cosmicexplorer · Aug 27th, 2011, 12:59:34 AM

A bulky Trick Room user is how I most often see Porygon2. It's excellent for the role, without the weaknesses to Dark and Ghost that most Trick Room users have and with its customary excellent bulk, as well as its excellent coverage in BoltBeam and usable Special Attack. It can even run an all-out defensive Trick Room set, although the lack of Helping Hand is annoying.

Ashenlock · Aug 27th, 2011, 1:26:02 PM

I don't know why I didn't even include Trick Room in the "to be added" list. Thank y'all for reminding me about it. I'll get to work on it.

DreamTalon · Aug 27th, 2011, 3:00:57 PM

I'm looking at the Trick Room set, and what I'm noticing is that it may be taking too much from Close Combat Infernape and Hitmontop. What I'm saying may be wrong, but I'll edit in some calcs either way. Maybe an EV spread to make them 3HKOs after Fake Out.

EDIT: Neither OHKO after Fake Out. Eviolite makes it insanely bulky.

Aug 20th, 2011, 9:13:03 PM	#1
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	Porygon 2 Even before the existence of Eviolite people were starting to pass up Porygon-Z for its pre-evolution. Porygon 2 is one of the most well-boosted Eviolite users, like other Pokemon that were originally final stages. Access to Electric- and Ice-type moves gives it well-rounded coverage, and a couple good abilities mean it has the ability to turn things around. Porygon 2 #233 HP: 85 Atk: 80 Def: 90 SpA: 105 SpD: 95 Spe: 60 Level-Up moves ... PHP Code: `[LEFT]--Conversion 2 --Tackle --Conversion --Defense Curl Lv7 Psybeam Lv12 Agility Lv18 Recover Lv23 Magnet Rise Lv29 Signal Beam Lv34 Recycle Lv40 Discharge Lv45 Lock-On Lv51 Tri Attack Lv56 Magic Coat Lv62 Zap Cannon Lv67 Hyper Beam [/LEFT]` Machine moves ... PHP Code: [LEFT]TM03 PsyShock TM06 Toxic TM10 Hidden Power TM11 Sunny Day TM13 Ice Beam TM14 Blizzard TM15 Hyper Beam TM17 Protect TM18 Rain Dance TM21 Frustration TM22 SolarBeam TM24 Thunderbolt TM25 Thunder TM27 Return TM29 Psychic TM30 Shadow Ball TM32 Double Team TM40 Aerial Ace TM42 Facade TM44 Rest TM46 Thief TM48 Round TM57 Charge Beam TM68 Giga Impact TM70 Flash TM73 Thunder Wave TM77 Psych Up TM85 Dream Eater TM87 Swagger TM90 Substitute TM92 Trick Room[/LEFT] Gen IV Tutor Moves (Pt/HG/SS) Icy Wind (Pt/HG/SS) Last Resort (Pt/HG/SS) Signal Beam (Pt/HG/SS) Snore (Pt/HG/SS) Swift (Pt/HG/SS) Trick (Pt/HG/SS) Zen Headbutt (HG/SS) Gravity (HG/SS) Pain Split (HG/SS) Role Play Porygon 2 -> Double Battles ->Red Mage<- Porygon 2 @ Eviolite MODEST +Trace / Download+ 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA -Charge Beam / Thunderbolt / Tri Attack -Ice Beam / Tri Attack -Thunder Wave / Icy Wind -Recover / Protect Called the Red Mage because it does a little bit of everything: it hurts and it heals, it enfeebles and it enhances, and it's slashed to high hell. (Also I couldn't think of anything "appropriate" like Standard, Special, etc.) Thunder Wave something or a couple somethings, Ice Beam what you can, Charge Beam what Ice Beam doesn't hit or what is too strong at the moment to beat, and Recover off the damage when you are able. Icy Wind is another option if you have teammates fast enough to beat out the opposition when the foes are at 2/3 of their normal Spe. It hits both foes (most of the time) and has no type immunities, but it doesn't reduce Spe by a whole ton or stop the foes from attacking 25% of the time. Trace and Download are both coin flip abilities, both in who they select and what they give you. It's hard to make a judgment on such things. If Download targets a SpD-weak Pokemon, you'll have over 250 SpA at once without having to Charge Beam, and if you Trace Intimidate or Swift Swim, you can really change the game. Generally I prefer Download, but Trace is still useful and not to be forgotten. Tri Attack is included to not be walled by Lanturn and provide a stronger STAB attack, but prepare to be walled by other things with the loss of coverage, unless you want to lose one of Porygon 2's status-category moves. The EVs are, as usual for the super-general GBU, very unspecific. If you want to make the most out of the Eviolite, you can split the SpA EVs between the defenses, or, if you're just out to KO the 4x Ice-weak-Dragons and Gyarados, you can find the SpA investment needed to KO them both with your offensive moves. ->Trick Room<- Porygon 2 @ Eviolite QUIET +Download+ 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA -Trick Room -Ice Beam / Tri Attack -Thunderbolt / Tri Attack -Magic Coat / Protect Download is chosen here because, if the two abilities were roughly equal before, Download edges out Trace a bit because of the presence of Swift Swim often in tandem with Politoed on Drizzle teams (If you want to hope for Inner Focus or something else, though, it may be to your benefit to keep Trace). Here Thunder Wave and Icy Wind are sacrificed for the Trick Room spot, although they wouldn't be useful in TR anyway. The coverage moves are about the same, with Tri Attack in the background in case you don't need general coverage and want a stronger attack. Thunerbolt is chosen over Charge Beam this time because Porygon 2 plays a less stallish role, tending to want to hit hard while it can, and if it can't, disappear until Trick Room is necessary again. Magic Coat is chosen here because it guards against Taunt, Sleep, and a turn 2 Encore from Whimsicott if the foe thinks you're going to stay in against it. Protect is chosen above Recover because of the same reason as Thunderbolt; Porygon 2 isn't (necessarily) playing in a Drought or Drizzle team, where, against many opponents, the effect will never end. Trick Room is inherently limited, and Porygon 2 doesn't want to fool around trying to win a war of being hit then recovering; Protect is preferred in this scenario because it tends to serve the one-turn purpose of stopping one attack while your partner deals with the other foe. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld, "The Comeback." Last edited by Ashenlock; Aug 27th, 2011 at 1:54:45 PM.*

Aug 20th, 2011, 11:33:57 PM	#3
Arcticblast is going goat Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,959 #serperiors Mentor	The Red Mage set is walled to hell and back by Lanturn unless you use Tri Attack. __________________ New to Smogon? Afraid to jump into discussion? Introduce yourself! ------------------- Fail Cup \| Scramble! \| RMTs: Blistering Sands (BH) Night Stall (OU) \| The Fringe Tournament \| ARcTicblast \| Other Metagames Premier League \| avatar by raikou00, signature art by Zracknel additional credit to Pocket and AccidentalGreed

Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:55:13 PM	#5
DreamTalon Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 186 Dallas, Texas	I ditto Trick Room, it could also change a game. A set isn't required, but a note in the options would suffice. __________________ "We must treasure these (Unown), since they are us at our very core... ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAKE WORDS OUT OF THEM? THAT'S PRETTY COOL!!!!!!!!"

Aug 27th, 2011, 12:59:34 AM	#6
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	A bulky Trick Room user is how I most often see Porygon2. It's excellent for the role, without the weaknesses to Dark and Ghost that most Trick Room users have and with its customary excellent bulk, as well as its excellent coverage in BoltBeam and usable Special Attack. It can even run an all-out defensive Trick Room set, although the lack of Helping Hand is annoying. __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

Aug 27th, 2011, 1:26:02 PM	#7
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	I don't know why I didn't even include Trick Room in the "to be added" list. Thank y'all for reminding me about it. I'll get to work on it. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld*, "The Comeback."

Aug 20th, 2011, 9:32:31 PM	#2
~~Crafty Scrafty~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 53 darumaka so cute :3	Porygon2 can also work for Trick Room. Because of his ridiculous bulk, chances are he'll survive the first few turns with ease and probably last a very long time. Magic Coat could also be an option for Dark Void Smeargle and Taunt users (on a Trick Room set).

Aug 27th, 2011, 3:00:57 PM	#8
DreamTalon Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 186 Dallas, Texas	I'm looking at the Trick Room set, and what I'm noticing is that it may be taking too much from Close Combat Infernape and Hitmontop. What I'm saying may be wrong, but I'll edit in some calcs either way. Maybe an EV spread to make them 3HKOs after Fake Out. EDIT: Neither OHKO after Fake Out. Eviolite makes it insanely bulky. __________________ "We must treasure these (Unown), since they are us at our very core... ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAKE WORDS OUT OF THEM? THAT'S PRETTY COOL!!!!!!!!" Last edited by DreamTalon; Aug 27th, 2011 at 3:21:54 PM.