Lileep (Analysis)

Al_Alchemist's Lileep set (sandless special sponge) has already passed through QC and GP (aka it's done)

[Overview]

<p>Lileep is, without a doubt, a great defensive Pokemon to have. Its typing and immunity to Water-type attacks courtesy of Storm Drain allow it to function as a surefire counter to most Water-type Pokemon, including the omnipresent Chinchou. It has high defenses that can be boosted further by a plethora of support options. Its Special Attack is passable, but it is unfortunate to possess low Speed. Thankfully, since Lileep is a naturally defensive Pokemon, going first isn't always the most important trait to have. It is the premier mixed wall in sandstorm, because its Rock typing boosts its already spectacular Special Defense by 1.5 times. Unfortunately, it has a weakness to the ever-common Fighting-type, but teammates can help alleviate this weakness. Though Lileep will always have stiff competition with Ferroseed, who has Spikes, Thunder Wave, and Leech Seed, Lileep has access to Stockpile and Recover, two moves that the little durian wishes it could have. Again, Lileep will always be a great specially defensive Pokemon to have, both in and out of sandstorm.</p>

[SET]
name: Sandless Special Sponge
move 1: Recover
move 2: Energy Ball
move 3: Stealth Rock / Toxic
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is the best set Lileep can run when you can't afford to run Hippopotas on your team. With its already high defensive stats, it can tank special attacks with or without a sandstorm boost. Lileep is a great counter to several top threats, such as Chinchou, Gastly, and Staryu. However, Ferroseed will often provide stiff competition if you are looking for a counter to the aforementioned Pokemon. Although Lileep lacks Iron Barbs and an arguably better secondary typing in Steel, it makes up for it with several key traits. It lacks any kind of weakness to Fire-type attacks, which is appreciated, as Ferroseed's popularity has caused them to be preferred over Ice attacks. With Energy Ball and Hidden Power Fire, it gets excellent coverage in just two moves, hitting two of the previously mentioned Pokemon for super effective damage, while also 2HKOing Ferroseed to prevent setup. Recover alongside Eviolite gives Lileep insane longevity, making sure your opponent will not be able to take it down easily. Lileep's amazing ability Storm Drain also grants it immunity to Water-type attacks, along with a boost to Special Attack should it be hit by one. The last moveslot depends on what your team would appreciate more; Stealth Rock is always a good entry hazard for any team, while Toxic lets Lileep stall opponents to death. Of course, if your team already has a Stealth Rock user, Toxic would be the superior option.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs given are used to maximize Lileep's overall defenses with Eviolite, and with the given spread, Lileep will not be 2HKOed by Staryu's or Chinchou's Blizzard, when factoring in hail damage. Hidden Power Ice is an option over Hidden Power Fire to hit Flying- and Dragon-types for super effective damage. However, Hidden Power Fire has superior coverage, letting Lileep actually touch Ferroseed and other Steel-types. Unfortunately, Giga Drain is illegal with Storm Drain, but if you don't mind losing your immunity to Water-type attacks you can use it over Energy Ball. If you decide to forgo Storm Drain, you must be aware that Lileep will struggle to counter most Water-type Pokemon, since without an immunity to Water-type moves the damage will add up fast, even with Eviolite and Recover. Lileep's dual typing of Rock/Grass leaves it at the mercy of the plethora of Fighting- and Ice-type attacks in Little Cup, so Pokemon such as Mienfoo and Slowpoke are great teammates. In fact, a core of Slowpoke, Lileep, and a bulky Fighting-type has great synergy, each covering the others' weaknesses, and provides the team with one of the strongest defensive backbones in Little Cup.</p>

[SET]
name: Stockpile
move 1: Stockpile
move 2: Energy Ball / Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Toxic
move 4: Recover / Rest
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 228 HP / 220 Def / 60 SpD

[Set Comments]
<p>The purpose of this set is to boost Lileep's already high defenses while in a sandstorm, enabling it to take attacks with impunity. Its defenses are incredibly high, having stats of 26 / 27 / 36 in sandstorm with Eviolite equipped. Stockpile allows Lileep to boost its defenses further, making it even harder to play against without Toxic or a critical hit. Energy Ball is the best Grass-type STAB attack that Lileep has as its disposal, since Giga Drain is illegal in tandem with Recover and Storm Drain. Hidden Power Fire allows Lileep to 2HKO Ferroseed and Snover, two Pokemon that threaten the success of this set. However, if those two aren't problems, Toxic can be used in order to cripple opposing walls. Recover is a great way for Lileep to restore its health after taking abuse, but Rest is a better option if status is a problem.</p>

<p>It is important to note the function of Storm Drain, which is one of the greatest selling points as to why Lileep should be used over Ferroseed. With Storm Drain, Lileep gains a boost to Special Attack whenever it gets hit by a Water-type attack and an immunity to said attacks. This allows Lileep to become one of the best checks to Water-types, easily beating the likes of Chinchou, Staryu, Slowpoke, and Frillish, as long as they don't have Toxic. Another selling point of Lileep is that it only takes neutral damage from Fire Blast. This way, it also beats Houndour, who cannot 2HKO Lileep with Fire Blast in sandstorm.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>As far as teammates go, Hippopotas is by far the best. Since it's the only Pokemon that is able to summon a permanent sandstorm, it is a must-have when pairing it with this Lileep. It also gets good synergy with Lileep, since Lileep is immune to Water-type attacks while Hippopotas can sponge many physical attacks aimed at Lileep. Unfortunately, Lileep has trouble with Snover, who removes sandstorm and is not OHKOed by an unboosted Hidden Power Fire. And as long as Lileep lacks Rest, Toxic wrecks this set, putting a timer on how long Lileep can stay in the battle. For that reason, Chinchou with Heal Bell is great, since it can not only remove poison, but also sleep if Lileep switches out after using Rest. In addition, Choice Scarf Taillow and Timburr are great teammates for this set, since because Fighting-types such as Dragon Dance Scraggy are big threats to this set.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>As far as other options for this little fossil, there are quite a few in the support division. It has Amnesia, which can further boost its already superb Special Defense. Toxic is a great support move to have as well, since it can outstall other Pokemon switching in on it. Mirror Coat is also cool, since it can bounce back special attacks aimed at Lileep, and can net a surprise KO on unsuspecting Pokemon. A Stockpile + Swords Dance set is also viable with Magnemite as a teammate, who can trap and eliminate Steel-types. After they have been removed, Lileep can attempt a sweep with either Bullet Seed or Rock Slide. However, Lileep doesn't have great Attack, and defensive sets are simply better than an offensive one. Hidden Power Ground is an option for Croagunk and Houndour, but Hidden Power Fire gets better coverage. Suction Cups is an option over Storm Drain so it can't be phazed out and lose its boosts, but Lileep would much rather have the immunity to Water-type attacks. Curse is also viable since Lileep already has high Special Defense and can be effective in sandstorm due to the additional boost.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Toxic is one of the best counters to Lileep provided that it doesn't have Rest. Two layers of Toxic Spikes are also great, since they will badly poison Lileep when it switches in. However, if Lileep does carry Rest, it will be much harder to break through its defenses. Bulk Up Timburr and Dragon Dance Scraggy are great for setting up on Lileep, since it can't do anything back to the Fighters. If Snover can switch in before Lileep starts to boost its defenses, it can 2HKO with Blizzard. Finally, in the worst-case scenario, phazing via Roar and Whirlwind can also force Lileep out of the battle, provided that it doesn't have Suction Cups.</p>
 
- defenses are incredibly high, with 26 / 27 / 36 in Sandstorm
Make sure to state that those stats are after a Stockpile boost + Sandstorm.

Don't forget to mention Stockpile + Bullet Seed + Swords Dance + Recover in Other Options. It's a viable moveset. Works very well when combined with Magnemite to take out Steel-types like Ferroseed.

Also mention Curse + Bullet Seed + Recover + Rock Slide, which is also viable for Lileep.

Everything else looks good, can't find any errors.

QC APPROVED 1/2
 
An unnecessary nitpick, but Lileep only needs a minimum of 28 EVs in SpA, not 32.

Yes, it does need 32. HP Fire IV drop.

Make sure to state that those stats are after a Stockpile boost + Sandstorm.

It's after Eviolite + Sandstorm.

Don't forget to mention Stockpile + Bullet Seed + Swords Dance + Recover in Other Options. It's a viable moveset. Works very well when combined with Magnemite to take out Steel-types like Ferroseed.

OK

Also mention Curse + Bullet Seed + Recover + Rock Slide, which is also viable for Lileep.

OK

Everything else looks good, can't find any errors.

QC APPROVED 1/2
Thanks, added.
 

Al_Alchemist

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Hey I needed to make some changes on my Lileep set now that you've made the analysis thread. Change the EVs on the SSS set to EVs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD, so it can survive a 2HKO from Blizzard Chinchou/Staryu in the hail, since it does 12 damage + 1 damage from hail, which would 2HKO a 25 HP Lileep before it could recover. I've also found 26 HP to survive a bunch of random crap, such as possibly escaping a Tickled OHKO from DigNaut, and is generally more useful than just one speed and special attack point.

So just drop the red part in the first sentence of the AC: "The EVs given are used to maximize Lileep's overall defenses with Eviolite, while taking off one point of HP in order to gain an additional stat point in both Speed and Special Attack."

And add in something like "With 26 HP Lileep will usually survive a 2HKO from a Staryu or Chinchou's Blizzard, when factoring in Hail damage." in the AC.

edit: Also just a small nitpick, move Recover to the first moveslot on the first set, and Stealth Rock / Toxic to the third moveslot.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Lileep is, without a doubt, a great defensive Pokemon to have. Its typing and immunity to Water-type attacks courtesy of Storm Drain allow it to function as a surefire counter to most Water-type Pokemon, including Chinchou. It has high defenses that can be boosted further by a plethora of support options. It also has passable Special Attack, but low Speed. Thankfully, since Lileep is a naturally defensive Pokemon, going first isn't always the most important trait to have. It is the premier mixed wall in sandstorm, because its Rock typing boosts its already spectacular Special Defense by 1.5 times. Unfortunately, it has a weakness to the ever-common Fighting-type, but teammates can help alleviate its weakness. Though Lileep will always have stiff competition with Ferroseed, who has Spikes, Thunder Wave, and Leech Seed, Lileep has access to Stockpile and Recover, two moves that the little durian wishes it could have. Again, Lileep will always be a great specially defensive Pokemon to have, both in and out of sandstorm.</p>

[SET]
name: Sandless Special Sponge
move 1: Recover
move 2: Energy Ball
move 3: Stealth Rock / Toxic
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is the best set Lileep can run when you can't afford to run Hippopotas on your team. With its already high defensive stats, it can tank special attacks with or without a sandstorm boost. Lileep is a great counter to several top threats, such as Chinchou, Gastly, and Staryu. However, Ferroseed will often provide stiff competition if you are looking for a counter to the aforementioned Pokemon. Although Lileep lacks Iron Barbs and an arguably better secondary typing in Steel, it makes up for it with several key traits. It lacks any kind of weakness to Fire-type attacks, which is appreciated, as Ferroseed's popularity has caused them to be preferred over Ice attacks. With Energy Ball and Hidden Power Fire, it gets excellent coverage in just two moves, hitting two of the previously mentioned Pokemon for super effective damage, while also 2HKOing Ferroseed to prevent setup. Recover alongside Eviolite gives Lileep insane longevity, making sure your opponent will not be able to take it down easily. Lileep's amazing ability Storm Drain also grants it immunity to Water-type attacks, along with a boost to Special Attack should it be hit by one. The last moveslot depends on what your team would appreciate more; Stealth Rock is always a good entry hazard for any team, while Toxic lets Lileep stall opponents to death. Of course, if your team already has a Stealth Rock user, Toxic would be the superior option.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs given are used to maximize Lileep's overall defenses with Eviolite, and with the given spread, Lileep will not be 2HKOed by Staryu's or Chinchou's Blizzard, when factoring in hail damage. Hidden Power Ice is an option over Hidden Power Fire to hit Flying- and Dragon-types for super effective damage. However, Hidden Power Fire has superior coverage, letting Lileep actually touch Ferroseed and other Steel-types. Unfortunately, Giga Drain is illegal with Storm Drain, but if you don't mind losing your immunity to Water-type attacks you can use it over Energy Ball. If you decide to forgo Storm Drain, you must be aware that Lileep will struggle to counter Pokemon such as Carvanha, as since without an immunity to Water-type moves the damage will add up fast, even with Eviolite and Recover. Lileep's dual typing of Rock/Grass leaves it at the mercy of the plethora of Fighting- and Ice-type attacks in Little Cup, so Pokemon such as Mienfoo and Slowpoke are great teammates. In fact, a core of Slowpoke, Lileep, and a bulky Fighting-type has great synergy, each covering the others' weaknesses, and provides the team with one of the strongest defensive backbones in Little Cup.</p>

[SET]
name: Stockpile
move 1: Stockpile
move 2: Energy Ball / Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Toxic
move 4: Recover / Rest
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 228 HP / 220 Def / 60 SpD

[Set Comments]

<p>While the last set focuses on using Lileep in a situation where sandstorm is not readily available, this one focuses on abusing sandstorm. Its defenses are incredibly high, having stats of 26 / 27 / 36 in sandstorm in tandem with the boost from Eviolite. Stockpile allows Lileep to boost its defenses further, making it even harder to play against without Toxic or a critical hit. Energy Ball is the best Grass-type STAB attack that Lileep has as its disposal, since Giga Drain is illegal in tandem with Recover and Storm Drain. Hidden Power Fire allows Lileep to 2HKO Ferroseed and Snover, two Pokemon that threaten the success of this set. However, if those two aren't problems, Toxic can be used in order to cripple opposing walls. Recover is a great way for Lileep to restore its health after taking abuse, but Rest is a better option if status is a problem.</p>

<p>It is important to note the function of Storm Drain, which is one of the greatest selling points as to why Lileep should be used over Ferroseed. With Storm Drain, Lileep gains a boost to Special Attack whenever it gets hit by a Water-type attack. This allows Lileep to become one of the best checks to Water-types, easily beating the likes of Chinchou, Staryu, Slowpoke, and Frillish, as long as they don't have Toxic. In addition, Lileep only takes neutral damage from Fire Blast, which is another selling point of Lileep's. This way, it also beats Houndour, who cannot 2HKO Lileep with Fire Blast in sandstorm.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>As far as teammates go, Hippopotas is by far the best. Since it's the only Pokemon that is able to summon a permanent sandstorm, it is a must-have when pairing it with this Lileep. It also gets good synergy with Lileep, since Lileep is immune to Water-type attacks while Hippopotas can sponge many physical attacks aimed at Lileep. Unfortunately, Lileep has trouble with Snover, who removes sandstorm and is not OHKOed by an unboosted Hidden Power Fire. And as long as Lileep lacks Rest, Toxic wrecks this set, putting a timer on how long Lileep can stay in the battle. For that reason, Chinchou with Heal Bell is great, since it can not only remove poison, but also sleep if Lileep switches out after using Rest. In addition, Choice Scarf Taillow and Timburr are great teammates for this set, since they can both KO Scraggy without too much trouble.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>As far as other options for this little fossil, there are quite a few in the support divison. It has Amnesia, which can further boost its already superb Special Defense. Toxic is a great support move to have as well, since it can outstall other Pokemon switching in on it. Mirror Coat is also cool, since it can bounce back special attacks aimed at it, and can net a surprise KO on unsuspecting Pokemon. A Stockpile + Swords Dance set is also viable with Magnemite as a teammate, who can trap and eliminate Steel-types. After they have been removed, Lileep can attempt a sweep with either Bullet Seed or Rock Slide. Hidden Power Ground is an option for Croagunk and Houndour, but Hidden Power Fire gets better coverage. Suction Cups is an option over Storm Drain so it can't be phazed out and lose its boosts, but Lileep would much rather have the immunity to Water-type attacks. Finally, Curse is also an option since Lileep already has high Special Defense and can be effective in sandstorm.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Toxic is one of the best counters to Lileep provided that it doesn't have Rest. Two layers of Toxic Spikes are also great, since they will badly poison Lileep when it switches in. However, if Lileep does carry Rest, it will be much harder to break through its defenses. Bulk Up Timburr and Dragon Dance Scraggy are great for setting up on Lileep, since it can't do anything back to the Fighters. If Snover can switch in before Lileep starts to boost its defenses, it can 2HKO with Blizzard. Finally, in the worst-case scenario, phazing via Roar and Whirlwind can also force Lileep out of the battle, provided that it doesn't have Suction Cups.</p>


Great job commathew



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EDIT: Actually no make that fucking fantastic. It's amazing how much you've improved, holy shit
 
Thanks Oglemi that really means a lot to me coming from you. Made that one change and also removed the mention about Carvanha (silly Al). Ready for GP check #2!
 

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[Overview]

<p>Lileep is, without a doubt, a great defensive Pokemon to have. Its typing and immunity to Water-type attacks courtesy of Storm Drain allow it to function as a surefire counter to most Water-type Pokemon, including the omnipresent Chinchou. It has high defenses that can be boosted further by a plethora of support options. Its Special Attack is passable, also has passable Special Attack, but it is unfortunate to possess low Speed. Thankfully, since Lileep is a naturally defensive Pokemon, going first isn't always the most important trait to have. It is the premier mixed wall in sandstorm, because its Rock typing boosts its already spectacular Special Defense by 1.5 times. Unfortunately, it has a weakness to the ever-common Fighting-type, but teammates can help alleviate this its weakness. Though Lileep will always have stiff competition with Ferroseed, who has Spikes, Thunder Wave, and Leech Seed, Lileep has access to Stockpile and Recover, two moves that the little durian wishes it could have. Again, Lileep will always be a great specially defensive Pokemon to have, both in and out of sandstorm.</p>

[SET]
name: Sandless Special Sponge
move 1: Recover
move 2: Energy Ball
move 3: Stealth Rock / Toxic
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is the best set Lileep can run when you can't afford to run Hippopotas on your team. With its already high defensive stats, it can tank special attacks with or without a sandstorm boost. Lileep is a great counter to several top threats, such as Chinchou, Gastly, and Staryu. However, Ferroseed will often provide stiff competition if you are looking for a counter to the aforementioned Pokemon. Although Lileep lacks Iron Barbs and an arguably better secondary typing in Steel, it makes up for it with several key traits. It lacks any kind of weakness to Fire-type attacks, which is appreciated, as Ferroseed's popularity has caused them to be preferred over Ice attacks. With Energy Ball and Hidden Power Fire, it gets excellent coverage in just two moves, hitting two of the previously mentioned Pokemon for super effective damage, while also 2HKOing Ferroseed to prevent setup. Recover alongside Eviolite gives Lileep insane longevity, making sure your opponent will not be able to take it down easily. Lileep's amazing ability Storm Drain also grants it immunity to Water-type attacks, along with a boost to Special Attack should it be hit by one. The last moveslot depends on what your team would appreciate more; Stealth Rock is always a good entry hazard for any team, while Toxic lets Lileep stall opponents to death. Of course, if your team already has a Stealth Rock user, Toxic would be the superior option.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs given are used to maximize Lileep's overall defenses with Eviolite, and with the given spread, Lileep will not be 2HKOed by Staryu's or Chinchou's Blizzard, when factoring in hail damage. Hidden Power Ice is an option over Hidden Power Fire to hit Flying- and Dragon-types for super effective damage. However, Hidden Power Fire has superior coverage, letting Lileep actually touch Ferroseed and other Steel-types. Unfortunately, Giga Drain is illegal with Storm Drain, but if you don't mind losing your immunity to Water-type attacks you can use it over Energy Ball. If you decide to forgo Storm Drain, you must be aware that Lileep will struggle to counter most Water-type Pokemon, since without an immunity to Water-type moves the damage will add up fast, even with Eviolite and Recover. Lileep's dual typing of Rock/Grass leaves it at the mercy of the plethora of Fighting- and Ice-type attacks in Little Cup, so Pokemon such as Mienfoo and Slowpoke are great teammates. In fact, a core of Slowpoke, Lileep, and a bulky Fighting-type has great synergy, each covering the others' weaknesses, and provides the team with one of the strongest defensive backbones in Little Cup.</p>

[SET]
name: Stockpile
move 1: Stockpile
move 2: Energy Ball / Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Toxic
move 4: Recover / Rest
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 228 HP / 220 Def / 60 SpD

[Set Comments]
<p>While the last set focuses not supposed to refer to other sets? idk if it matters that much though on using Lileep in a situation where sandstorm is not readily available, this one focuses on abusing the field condition sandstorm. Its defenses are incredibly high, having stats of 26 / 27 / 36 in sandstorm with Eviolite equipped. in tandem with the boost from Eviolite. Stockpile allows Lileep to boost its defenses further, making it even harder to play against without Toxic or a critical hit. Energy Ball is the best Grass-type STAB attack that Lileep has as its disposal, since Giga Drain is illegal in tandem with Recover and Storm Drain. Hidden Power Fire allows Lileep to 2HKO Ferroseed and Snover, two Pokemon that threaten the success of this set. However, if those two aren't problems, Toxic can be used in order to cripple opposing walls. Recover is a great way for Lileep to restore its health after taking abuse, but Rest is a better option if status is a problem.</p>

<p>It is important to note the function of Storm Drain, which is one of the greatest selling points as to why Lileep should be used over Ferroseed. With Storm Drain, Lileep gains a boost to Special Attack whenever it gets hit by a Water-type attack and an immunity to said attacks. This allows Lileep to become one of the best checks to Water-types, easily beating the likes of Chinchou, Staryu, Slowpoke, and Frillish, as long as they don't have Toxic. In addition, Another selling point of Lileep is that it Lileep only takes neutral damage from Fire Blast, which is another selling point of Lileep's. This way, it also beats Houndour, who cannot 2HKO Lileep with Fire Blast in sandstorm.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>As far as teammates go, Hippopotas is by far the best. Since it's the only Pokemon that is able to summon a permanent sandstorm, it is a must-have when pairing it with this Lileep. It also gets good synergy with Lileep, since Lileep is immune to Water-type attacks while Hippopotas can sponge many physical attacks aimed at Lileep. Unfortunately, Lileep has trouble with Snover, who removes sandstorm and is not OHKOed by an unboosted Hidden Power Fire. And as long as Lileep lacks Rest, Toxic wrecks this set, putting a timer on how long Lileep can stay in the battle. For that reason, Chinchou with Heal Bell is great, since it can not only remove poison, but also sleep if Lileep switches out after using Rest. In addition, Choice Scarf Taillow and Timburr are great teammates for this set, since they can both KO Scraggy without too much trouble.</p> maybe a comment about how Fighting-types KO Lileep somewhere in this section. Otherwise, the significance of teammates that KO Scraggy is not clear (at least to less experienced players). "Since Fighting-types such as _______,______,________ maim Lileep with their STAB attacks, CS Taillow and Timburr are great teammates to remove them." or something like that.

[Other Options]

<p>As far as other options for this little fossil, there are quite a few in the support division divison. It has Amnesia, which can further boost its already superb Special Defense. Toxic is a great support move to have as well, since it can outstall other Pokemon switching in on it. Mirror Coat is also cool, since it can bounce back special attacks aimed at Lileep, it, and can net a surprise KO on unsuspecting Pokemon. A Stockpile + Swords Dance set is also viable with Magnemite as a teammate, who can trap and eliminate Steel-types. After they have been removed, Lileep can attempt a sweep with either Bullet Seed or Rock Slide. might consider explaining why some of these (above) options aren't as good Hidden Power Ground is an option for Croagunk and Houndour, but Hidden Power Fire gets better coverage. Suction Cups is an option over Storm Drain so it can't be phazed out and lose its boosts, but Lileep would much rather have the immunity to Water-type attacks. Finally, Curse is also viable an option since Lileep already has high Special Defense and can be effective in sandstorm due to the additional boost.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Toxic is one of the best counters to Lileep provided that it doesn't have Rest. Two layers of Toxic Spikes are also great, since they will badly poison Lileep when it switches in. However, if Lileep does carry Rest, it will be much harder to break through its defenses. Bulk Up Timburr and Dragon Dance Scraggy are great for setting up on Lileep, since it can't do anything back to the Fighters. If Snover can switch in before Lileep starts to boost its defenses, it can 2HKO with Blizzard. Finally, in the worst-case scenario, phazing via Roar and Whirlwind can also force Lileep out of the battle, provided that it doesn't have Suction Cups.</p>
 

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[Overview]

<p>Lileep is, without a doubt, a great defensive Pokemon to have. Its typing and immunity to Water-type attacks courtesy of Storm Drain allow it to function as a surefire counter to most Water-type Pokemon, including the omnipresent Chinchou. It has high defenses that can be boosted further by a plethora of support options. Its Special Attack is passable, but it is unfortunate to possess low Speed. Thankfully, since Lileep is a naturally defensive Pokemon, going first isn't always the most important trait to have. It is the premier mixed wall in sandstorm, because its Rock typing boosts its already spectacular Special Defense by 1.5 times. Unfortunately, it has a weakness to the ever-common Fighting-type, but teammates can help alleviate this weakness. Though Lileep will always have stiff competition with Ferroseed, who has Spikes, Thunder Wave, and Leech Seed, Lileep has access to Stockpile and Recover, two moves that the little durian wishes it could have. Again, Lileep will always be a great specially defensive Pokemon to have, both in and out of sandstorm.</p>

[SET]
name: Sandless Special Sponge
move 1: Recover
move 2: Energy Ball
move 3: Stealth Rock / Toxic
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is the best set Lileep can run when you can't afford to run Hippopotas on your team. With its already high defensive stats, it can tank special attacks with or without a sandstorm boost. Lileep is a great counter to several top threats, such as Chinchou, Gastly, and Staryu. However, Ferroseed will often provide stiff competition if you are looking for a counter to the aforementioned Pokemon. Although Lileep lacks Iron Barbs and an arguably better secondary typing in Steel, it makes up for it with several key traits. It lacks any kind of weakness to Fire-type attacks, which is appreciated, as Ferroseed's popularity has caused them to be preferred over Ice attacks. With Energy Ball and Hidden Power Fire, it gets excellent coverage in just two moves, hitting two of the previously mentioned Pokemon for super effective damage, while also 2HKOing Ferroseed to prevent setup. Recover alongside Eviolite gives Lileep insane longevity, making sure your opponent will not be able to take it down easily. Lileep's amazing ability Storm Drain also grants it immunity to Water-type attacks, along with a boost to Special Attack should it be hit by one. The last moveslot depends on what your team would appreciate more; Stealth Rock is always a good entry hazard for any team, while Toxic lets Lileep stall opponents to death. Of course, if your team already has a Stealth Rock user, Toxic would be the superior option.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs given are used to maximize Lileep's overall defenses with Eviolite, and with the given spread, Lileep will not be 2HKOed by Staryu's or Chinchou's Blizzard, when factoring in hail damage. Hidden Power Ice is an option over Hidden Power Fire to hit Flying- and Dragon-types for super effective damage. However, Hidden Power Fire has superior coverage, letting Lileep actually touch Ferroseed and other Steel-types. Unfortunately, Giga Drain is illegal with Storm Drain, but if you don't mind losing your immunity to Water-type attacks you can use it over Energy Ball. If you decide to forgo Storm Drain, you must be aware that Lileep will struggle to counter most Water-type Pokemon, since without an immunity to Water-type moves the damage will add up fast, even with Eviolite and Recover. Lileep's dual typing of Rock/Grass leaves it at the mercy of the plethora of Fighting- and Ice-type attacks in Little Cup, so Pokemon such as Mienfoo and Slowpoke are great teammates. In fact, a core of Slowpoke, Lileep, and a bulky Fighting-type has great synergy, each covering the others' weaknesses, and provides the team with one of the strongest defensive backbones in Little Cup.</p>

[SET]
name: Stockpile
move 1: Stockpile
move 2: Energy Ball / Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Toxic
move 4: Recover / Rest
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Bold
evs: 228 HP / 220 Def / 60 SpD

[Set Comments]
<p>The purpose of this set is to boost Lileep's already high defenses while in a sandstorm, enabling it to take attacks with impunity. Its defenses are incredibly high, having It reaches effective stats of 26 / 27 / 36 in sandstorm with Eviolite equipped. Stockpile allows Lileep to boost its defenses further, making it even harder to play against without Toxic or a critical hit. Energy Ball is the best Grass-type STAB attack that Lileep has as its disposal, since Giga Drain is illegal in tandem with Recover and Storm Drain. Hidden Power Fire allows Lileep to 2HKO Ferroseed and Snover, two Pokemon that threaten the success of this set. However, if those two aren't problems, Toxic can be used in order to cripple opposing walls. Recover is a great way for Lileep to restore its health after taking abuse, but Rest is a better option if status is a problem.</p>

<p>It is important to note the function of Storm Drain, which is one of the greatest reasons for which selling points as to why Lileep should might be used over Ferroseed. With Storm Drain, Lileep gains a boost to Special Attack whenever it gets hit by a Water-type attack, and also has an immunity to said attacks. This allows Lileep to become one of the best checks to Water-types, easily beating the likes of Chinchou, Staryu, Slowpoke, and Frillish, as long as they don't have Toxic. Another selling point of Lileep is that it only takes neutral damage from Fire Blast. This way, it also beats Houndour, who cannot 2HKO Lileep with Fire Blast in sandstorm.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>As far as teammates go, Hippopotas is by far the best. Since it's the only Pokemon that is able to summon a permanent sandstorm, it is a must-have when pairing it with this Lileep. It also gets good synergy with Lileep, since Lileep is immune to Water-type attacks while Hippopotas can sponge many physical attacks aimed at Lileep. Unfortunately, Lileep has trouble with Snover, who removes sandstorm and is not OHKOed by an unboosted Hidden Power Fire. And as long as Lileep lacks Rest, Toxic wrecks this set, putting a timer on how long Lileep can stay in the battle. For that reason, Chinchou with Heal Bell is great, since it can not only remove poison, but also sleep if Lileep switches out after using Rest. In addition, Choice Scarf Taillow and Timburr are great teammates for this set, since because Fighting-types such as Dragon Dance Scraggy are big threats to this set.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>As far as There are quite a few other options for this little fossil, especially there are quite a few in the support division. It has Amnesia, which can further boost its already superb Special Defense. Toxic is a great support move to have as well, since it can outstall other Pokemon switching in on it. Mirror Coat is also cool, since it can bounce back special attacks aimed at Lileep, and can net a surprise KO on unsuspecting Pokemon. A Stockpile + Swords Dance set is also viable with Magnemite as a teammate, who as it can trap and eliminate Steel-types. After they have been removed, Lileep can attempt a sweep with either Bullet Seed or Rock Slide. However, Lileep doesn't have great Attack, and defensive sets are simply better than an offensive one. Hidden Power Ground is an option for Croagunk and Houndour, but Hidden Power Fire gets better coverage. Suction Cups is an option over Storm Drain so it can't be phazed out and lose its boosts, but Lileep would much rather have the immunity to Water-type attacks. Curse is also viable since Lileep already has high Special Defense and can be effective in sandstorm due to the additional boost.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Toxic is one of the best counters to Lileep provided that it doesn't have Rest. Two layers of Toxic Spikes is also great, since they will badly poison Lileep when it switches in. However, if Lileep does carry Rest, it will be much harder to break through its defenses. Bulk Up Timburr and Dragon Dance Scraggy are great for setting up on Lileep, since it can't do anything back to the fighters. If Snover can switch in before Lileep starts to boost its defenses, it can 2HKO with Blizzard. Finally, in the worst-case scenario, phazing via Roar and Whirlwind can also force Lileep out of the battle, provided that it doesn't have Suction Cups.</p>
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