(Un)Official Smogon University PO Stats -- August 2011 - Page 13

***Antar**** · Sep 15th, 2011, 10:15:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat lordkira

This
The UU itself feels like gen 4 OU, meaning OU AND UU meta both evolved into stronger, faster, etccc

Yeah, 4G OU shares a lot more in common with 5G UU than OU, IMO. Interestingly, I don't really feel like RU is very much like 4G UU...

bluemon · Sep 15th, 2011, 10:25:09 PM

it kinda does actually
cresellia was banished from uu just like how its being criticized in ru
also with yanmega too.

New World Order · Sep 15th, 2011, 10:31:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Antar

Yeah, 4G OU shares a lot more in common with 5G UU than OU, IMO. Interestingly, I don't really feel like RU is very much like 4G UU...

RU actually looks strangely similar to a combination of Yanmega era UU and UU ducks era UU. Pretty much every pokemon in RU has something to do with Yanmega, Cresselia, or Porygon-Z.

1. Yanmega: needs to be banned immediately
2. Blastoise: spins for Yanmega
3. Entei: checks Yanmega
4. Cresselia: needs to be banned immediately
5. Claydol: spins for Yanmega
6. Honchrow: checks Cresselia
7. Porygon-Z: needs to be banned immediately
8. Ferroseed: checks Porygon-Z (to an extent)
9. Clefable: sweeping partner for Yanmega/ Porygon-Z
10. Gallade: takes out common Yanmega/ Porygon-Z checks

blahblahblahblahblah.

MaestroXXVI · Sep 15th, 2011, 11:17:14 PM

thanks malvira

**Mario With Lasers** · Sep 15th, 2011, 11:22:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat lordkira

This
The UU itself feels like gen 4 OU, meaning OU AND UU meta both evolved into stronger, faster, etccc

Ferrothorn, Politoed, Excadrill, Haxorus. Harder, better, faster, stronger.

Scarfwynaut · Sep 16th, 2011, 6:34:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Ferrothorn, Politoed, Excadrill, Haxorus. Harder, better, faster, stronger.

It feels like we are going into song lol.

You know, I am always puzzeled by Lucario's low useage, when I face against it, unless I am using a super offensive team, I usually lose a member or two before my team before I can take it down.

Zapdos Brannigan · Sep 16th, 2011, 9:45:07 AM

The problem with Lucario is his relative frailty, especially with all the E-quakes and fire moves running amuck. If allowed to set up, especially the SD variants, it can do alot of damage and is almost guaranteed to knock out at least one of the opposing pokes assuming its not too near death itself. The problem is finding a point when it can set up without dying.

Forsety · Sep 16th, 2011, 10:42:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Antar

Yeah, 4G OU shares a lot more in common with 5G UU than OU, IMO. Interestingly, I don't really feel like RU is very much like 4G UU...

I personally have to somewhat disagree with this, 5G UU lacks the offensive power that 4G OU had which has turned it into an extremely slow paced and quite boring defensive stallfest tier.

In 4G OU ultimately you always had the option of going on hyper offensive at a risk to break infinite switch chains but there is no such option in 5G UU due to the lack of high offensive dragons or similar types of sweepers.

Result is the most successful teams are those who can break those stallchains and they're very limiting I find in what you can run.

I may be wrong but I've seen maybe a total of two successful offensive teams in UU. One was a sand team I recall that actually used as many defensive stall staples as it did offensive and one of them the only actual pure offensive team I've seen work had to run Choice items on nearly every member of the team to do it.

lordkira · Sep 16th, 2011, 1:51:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Ferrothorn, Politoed, Excadrill, Haxorus. Harder, better, faster, stronger.

mmchmm chhmmchmmch
work it better do it faster...
joke aside...from one of the above posts i agree that RU isn't like UU of gen 4 lol

ShakeItUp · Sep 16th, 2011, 2:31:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Zapdos Brannigan

The problem with Lucario is his relative frailty, especially with all the E-quakes and fire moves running amuck. If allowed to set up, especially the SD variants, it can do alot of damage and is almost guaranteed to knock out at least one of the opposing pokes assuming its not too near death itself. The problem is finding a point when it can set up without dying.

Just run Air Balloon and you get a free setup on Gliscors and the like. Balloon also stops Excadrill and Landorus from ruining Lucario's sweep.

fatsnorlax · Sep 16th, 2011, 7:51:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Antar

They're not.

Electivire: RU
Sceptile: UU

Feraligatr hat a lot of stiff competition these days, and Bouffalant is slow as molasses.

Bouffalant is bulky and packs a mean Afro that does a crapton of damage. Feraligatr is a worse gyara, but there's nothing quite like him in RU.

Pwnemon · Sep 16th, 2011, 8:50:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat fatsnorlax

Bouffalant is bulky and packs a mean Afro that does a crapton of damage. Feraligatr is a worse gyara, but there's nothing quite like him in RU.

Crawdaunt?

bluemon · Sep 16th, 2011, 8:58:50 PM

lol u just read my mind.
i was going to mention crawdaunt.

and to a lesser extent, sharpedo.

New World Order · Sep 16th, 2011, 9:29:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat bluemon

lol u just read my mind.
i was going to mention crawdaunt.

and to a lesser extent, sharpedo.

Surprised Sharpedo not UU yet.

fatsnorlax · Sep 16th, 2011, 10:26:13 PM

I forgot about Crawdaunt lol. Bouffalant is still pretty good tho.

waterwarrior · Sep 16th, 2011, 10:53:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat New World Order

Surprised Sharpedo not UU yet.

Sharpedo has no way to set up, and if it doesn't KO the poke, it will just get KO'd in return. It really only works on frail/ weakened teams.

bluemon · Sep 17th, 2011, 2:17:40 AM

but in the rain, it IS THE BEST CLEANER EVER.

Pwnemon · Sep 17th, 2011, 7:48:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat fatsnorlax

I forgot about Crawdaunt lol. Bouffalant is still pretty good tho.

Tauros is better, especially since it got sheer force (it did right? I might be confusing it with someone else)

RaRaRabbit · Sep 17th, 2011, 9:43:04 AM

Tauros did get sheer force, but if I remember correctly, it doesn't have much it can really abuse with it (physically)... Rock Slide, Zen Headbutt, Rock Climb, Iron Tail. That is pretty much it.

Forsety · Sep 17th, 2011, 11:30:28 AM

Sheer Force Tauros is trash, you're better running Work Up/Intimidate Tauros it does more damage and can take a hit. At least Bouffalant can scare stuff like Skarm/Gliscor with its Reckless Wild Charge/Afro Break.

New World Order · Sep 17th, 2011, 11:50:28 AM

Since I'm not allowed to post in Policy Review, I guess I'll just post this here.

I've noticed that recent battle logs now begin like this:

Your Pokemon are Tyranitar/ Landorus/ Excadrill/ Rotom-W/ Celebi/ Skarmory

Your Opponent's Pokemon are Politoed/ Thundurus/ Toxicroak/ Starmie/ Latias/ Bronzong

Are we doing this so we can return to Rising Dusk's method of calculating usage stats? (where everyone on the team is calculated instead of everyone that appeared in battle) If so, is this going to stall the next tiering update?

MaestroXXVI · Sep 17th, 2011, 12:58:22 PM

That's actually from a recent update to PO, and unfortunately it hasnt been implemented server-side...so i think were going back to the plugin that gathered stats for us,

GtM · Sep 17th, 2011, 1:21:56 PM

If we're talking about RU, I can tell you from experience that Bouffalant is great. Grass immunity vis Sap Sipper is awesome since you can come in on stuff like Venomoth's Sleep Powder, Ferroseed's Leech Seed etc and get a free attack boost. Unless the opponent has a physical wall up, +1 CB Head Charge is going to DESTROY. Even stuff like Tangela gets hit hard by Megahorn, whilst Rock Slide gives you a recoil free way to get rid of Bugs and Flying types.

GtM · Sep 17th, 2011, 2:27:57 PM

Well you'd need to deal about 1500 points of damage to do that, but at that stage it'd be worth it :P

fatsnorlax · Sep 18th, 2011, 1:49:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Pwnemon

Crawdaunt?

Sure, Crawdaunt is a better Dragon Dancer than Feraligatr, but it can't swords dance as well (if at all).

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RaRaRabbit Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 379 The Cold Mitten	Tauros did get sheer force, but if I remember correctly, it doesn't have much it can really abuse with it (physically)... Rock Slide, Zen Headbutt, Rock Climb, Iron Tail. That is pretty much it. __________________ CHECK OUT MY ART BLOG

Sep 17th, 2011, 11:30:28 AM	#320
Forsety Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,490	Sheer Force Tauros is trash, you're better running Work Up/Intimidate Tauros it does more damage and can take a hit. At least Bouffalant can scare stuff like Skarm/Gliscor with its Reckless Wild Charge/Afro Break. __________________ "I don't mind betting on tough odds!"

Sep 17th, 2011, 11:50:28 AM	#321
New World Order The Baby Arcanine All Grown Up :') Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,893 Edmonton	Since I'm not allowed to post in Policy Review, I guess I'll just post this here. I've noticed that recent battle logs now begin like this: Your Pokemon are Tyranitar/ Landorus/ Excadrill/ Rotom-W/ Celebi/ Skarmory Your Opponent's Pokemon are Politoed/ Thundurus/ Toxicroak/ Starmie/ Latias/ Bronzong Are we doing this so we can return to Rising Dusk's method of calculating usage stats? (where everyone on the team is calculated instead of everyone that appeared in battle) If so, is this going to stall the next tiering update? __________________ RAWRGRAWRAWWRARRWRAARGRAWWRAWWRAR

Sep 17th, 2011, 1:21:56 PM	#323
GtM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 720 The Gastronomicon	If we're talking about RU, I can tell you from experience that Bouffalant is great. Grass immunity vis Sap Sipper is awesome since you can come in on stuff like Venomoth's Sleep Powder, Ferroseed's Leech Seed etc and get a free attack boost. Unless the opponent has a physical wall up, +1 CB Head Charge is going to DESTROY. Even stuff like Tangela gets hit hard by Megahorn, whilst Rock Slide gives you a recoil free way to get rid of Bugs and Flying types. __________________ Triple Double! Gyarados + Salamence RMT Red Skull's Army! Latias RMT I Burrascusi Italiani! Gyarados + Jolteon RMT "How does this team fare against Sun teams? I would give Scizor Aqua Jet over Bug Bite so he can pick off those fire pokemon."

Sep 15th, 2011, 10:25:09 PM	#302
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	it kinda does actually cresellia was banished from uu just like how its being criticized in ru also with yanmega too.

Sep 15th, 2011, 11:17:14 PM	#304
MaestroXXVI Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 202	thanks malvira

Sep 16th, 2011, 9:45:07 AM	#307
Zapdos Brannigan Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19 NC	The problem with Lucario is his relative frailty, especially with all the E-quakes and fire moves running amuck. If allowed to set up, especially the SD variants, it can do alot of damage and is almost guaranteed to knock out at least one of the opposing pokes assuming its not too near death itself. The problem is finding a point when it can set up without dying.

Sep 16th, 2011, 8:58:50 PM	#313
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	lol u just read my mind. i was going to mention crawdaunt. and to a lesser extent, sharpedo.

Sep 17th, 2011, 2:17:40 AM	#317
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	but in the rain, it IS THE BEST CLEANER EVER.

Sep 17th, 2011, 12:58:22 PM	#322
MaestroXXVI Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 202	That's actually from a recent update to PO, and unfortunately it hasnt been implemented server-side...so i think were going back to the plugin that gathered stats for us,

Sep 17th, 2011, 2:27:57 PM	#324
GtM Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 720 The Gastronomicon	Well you'd need to deal about 1500 points of damage to do that, but at that stage it'd be worth it :P __________________ Triple Double! Gyarados + Salamence RMT Red Skull's Army! Latias RMT I Burrascusi Italiani! Gyarados + Jolteon RMT "How does this team fare against Sun teams? I would give Scizor Aqua Jet over Bug Bite so he can pick off those fire pokemon."