VGC 2012 rules up! - Page 7

Team Rocket Elite · Sep 26th, 2011, 1:30:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Pocket

I'm curios - why is Sky Drop banned? I mean, it makes both the user and the opponent's mon to dodge all attacks, and it's a weak move.

I guess Sky Drop can establish a desirable match-up with the mons that are still landed. However, the opponent's landed mon can simply Protect until the airborne mons come down.

There's a glitch that involves Sky Drop and Gravity. They opted to go with banning Sky Drop to workaround it.

**voodoo pimp** · Sep 26th, 2011, 1:36:33 AM

Basically, if you use Gravity while a Pokémon is in the middle of being Sky Dropped, they get stuck up there forever.

Firestorm · Sep 26th, 2011, 3:51:42 AM

I'm really liking this year's rules. Having more fun with it than I ever had in VGC '11.

Linus · Sep 26th, 2011, 9:32:21 AM

hmmm novemeber. sooner than i thought

choknater · Sep 28th, 2011, 4:30:39 PM

hahahah wow

so moody is not banned?

if i enter vgc.... i'm using bibarel.

**voodoo pimp** · Sep 28th, 2011, 4:39:43 PM

Meanwhile, I'll be not determining my games with a coin flip.

It's almost impossible to stall in doubles for long, so if you don't get the boosts you need within the first turn or two, you're in trouble unless you have a backup strategy.

iss · Sep 28th, 2011, 4:55:26 PM

An evasion boost is not so overpowering in VGC due to the ability to double target something. Same with Substitute/Protect stalling- it doesn't work unless you get extremely lucky.

theamericandream38 · Sep 28th, 2011, 5:23:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat iss

An evasion boost is not so overpowering in VGC due to the ability to double target something. Same with Substitute/Protect stalling- it doesn't work unless you get extremely lucky.

Pretty much this. I have battled many teams designed around taking as much advantage of moody as possible (entrainment, follow me/rage powder, protect/sub, spore, etc.) and even when they beat me (not very often), they needed to get very lucky several times in a row in order to do so. I feel like the people who go on this forum (maybe not all of them but certainly the best ones) are good enough that they should use a team that allows them to outplay an opponent rather than just rolling the dice and hoping to get lucky.

mattj · Sep 28th, 2011, 5:46:47 PM

Plus multi target attacks mean you don't even have to target the +evasion mon to have 2 chances to hit it.

soul_survivor · Sep 28th, 2011, 5:53:59 PM

Most people that say haha Moody isn't ban....So broken, are usually people who don't have experience in doubles. Besides if your playing 9 rounds(considering max players) chances of you get lucky on all of them is rare.

Cannonfodder · Sep 28th, 2011, 6:37:05 PM

Does anyone think ttar has a chance this year or does all the water abuse make him obsolete?

***Jibaku**** · Sep 28th, 2011, 6:47:16 PM

From what I've played Tyranitar is still amazing in this metagame. Even though it gets plagued by the omnipresent water attacks (though it can take them on with Sandstorm raging), Fighting type moves, and Metagross, Tyranitar's Sand Stream support is still very valuable. It also counters top threats such as Latios and Zapdos as well.

Jegretis · Sep 28th, 2011, 7:13:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat theamericandream38

Pretty much this. I have battled many teams designed around taking as much advantage of moody as possible (entrainment, follow me/rage powder, protect/sub, spore, etc.) and even when they beat me (not very often), they needed to get very lucky several times in a row in order to do so. I feel like the people who go on this forum (maybe not all of them but certainly the best ones) are good enough that they should use a team that allows them to outplay an opponent rather than just rolling the dice and hoping to get lucky.

Meh, I still use alot of luck based moves. I know I shouldn't, but for some reason I still end up using Sleep Powder and the other powders, which needs some pretty decent luck to pull off. I got called a "noob" at VGC 2011 for using them.

Infinity.Cypher · Sep 28th, 2011, 7:44:49 PM

Is there going to be a timer, like in VGC 2011?

dingram · Sep 28th, 2011, 7:48:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Infinity.Cypher

Is there going to be a timer, like in VGC 2011?

Most likely. No one wants an hour-long battle.

Team Rocket Elite · Sep 28th, 2011, 9:01:28 PM

Stalling won't work due to the timer. You aren't going to get very many Moody boosts before the timer runs out. Especially if your opponent starts taking 1 minute turns near the end.

mattj · Sep 28th, 2011, 9:16:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cannonfodder

Does anyone think ttar has a chance this year or does all the water abuse make him obsolete?

Just take care of politoed first (abomasnow / lickilicky / etc) and then bring him in to stomp on things.

Cannonfodder · Sep 28th, 2011, 9:31:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat mattj

Just take care of politoed first (abomasnow / lickilicky / etc) and then bring him in to stomp on things.

Lickilicky???? Please explain

**R Inanimate** · Sep 28th, 2011, 9:39:40 PM

Lickilicky's Dream World Ability is Cloud Nine, which negates weather as long as it is in play.

It also learns Power Whip, which can deal heavy damage to Politoed.

DERPMaSTER · Oct 29th, 2011, 11:42:52 AM

kings rock aerodactyl. winning all the games.

Unreality · Oct 29th, 2011, 11:49:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat DERPMaSTER

kings rock aerodactyl. winning none of the games.

fixed that for you

Dozz · Oct 29th, 2011, 12:17:15 PM

Taking bets on how long until it becomes a really centralized meta. Seeing some teams already shaping up in very similar manners.

I hope it doesnt, but I can just see some things becoming extraordinarily popular. I, on the other hand, will be repping the weird and wonderful as much as I can, while still having a viable team.

Huy · Oct 29th, 2011, 2:44:25 PM

Even if it does centralize a bit, that won't be as much of a problem as it was in 2011. With so many Pokemon, there's alot you can do to counter the centralized metagame as the Japanese did in 2009.

soul_survivor · Oct 29th, 2011, 10:04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Dozz

Taking bets on how long until it becomes a really centralized meta. Seeing some teams already shaping up in very similar manners.

I hope it doesnt, but I can just see some things becoming extraordinarily popular. I, on the other hand, will be repping the weird and wonderful as much as I can, while still having a viable team.

Probably season two of Regionals, but being all regionals are being done at the same time unless a group of players make a top team(like top-ogre) you won't be seeing players running the same common crap 1st season round, and some pretty unique stuff. Then by nats, and worlds you'll be seeing teams that are actually thought out instead of look 1st place team copia pasta.

Aureolin · Dec 17th, 2011, 2:54:09 PM

I dream one day there will be singles... I'd even take the 3v3 version of singles >.>

Sep 26th, 2011, 1:36:33 AM	#152
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Sep 28th, 2011, 4:39:43 PM	#156
voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead Moderator Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,965	Meanwhile, I'll be not determining my games with a coin flip. It's almost impossible to stall in doubles for long, so if you don't get the boosts you need within the first turn or two, you're in trouble unless you have a backup strategy. __________________ Check out Smogon's new Doubles metagame! White FC: 4126-4421-4056 Black 2 FC: 3311-0920-4475 My Pokécheck Pokémon RNG is kind of like firing a gun. Why shoot blindly in every direction until you're lucky enough to hit the target when you can just take the time to aim properly and hit it with one shot?

Sep 28th, 2011, 4:55:26 PM	#157
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Sep 26th, 2011, 9:32:21 AM	#154
Linus Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 37	hmmm novemeber. sooner than i thought

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choknater Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	hahahah wow so moody is not banned? if i enter vgc.... i'm using bibarel.

Sep 28th, 2011, 6:37:05 PM	#161
Cannonfodder Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 125 Indianapolis, Indiana	Does anyone think ttar has a chance this year or does all the water abuse make him obsolete?

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