Breloom (Revamp)

The Knights of Wario Land · May 16th, 2013, 2:15:09 PM

[Overview]

-With Intimidate users everywhere, physical attackers consistently have a rough time in the VGC metagame. However, Breloom is a diamond in the rough, having a unique niche over several popular Pokemon in the tier.
-Grass and Fighting is an excellent STAB combination, punishing Rain, Hail, and Sand teams
-Fastest user of Spore
-BW2 gave Breloom Technician, making it a sort-of equivalent to Scizor but with different coverage
-Bulk absolutely sucks and has awkward speed
-However, with proper support, Breloom can be a huge threat to any team

[SET]
name: Technician
move 1: Bullet Seed
move 2: Mach Punch
move 3: Spore
move 4: Protect
item: Focus Sash / Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Jolly / Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

-Technician is the best ability Breloom could have ever wished for
-Bullet Seed minus STAB now deals a base 37 damage per hit, hitting multiple threats such as Gastrodon, Swampert, and Politoed for massive damage, and hitting through Rindo Berry and Focus Sash
-Mach Punch to Breloom is like Bullet Punch to Scizor: Mach Punch now has 60 base power minus STAB, having priority to get rid of an opponent that has been knocked down to its Sash or low HP, and hitting Tyranitar, Bisharp, and plentiful other Pokemon weak to Fighting for large damage
-Spore has a plethora of usages: stopping Trick Room users and other setup, disabling Pokemon that are slightly slower than Breloom that it can't hit well enough with both of its STABs, and providing support for thee partner against a huge threat
-Breloom needs Protect, as its average bulk won't help it much against faster threat's moves, such as Volcarona's Heat Wave, Mienshao's Acrobatics, and more

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

-Both Focus Sash and Life Orb offer their different perks. With Focus Sash, Breloom is more guaranteed survival in the unpredictable world of Double Battles, but with Life Orb, Breloom can clutch certain KOs it can't normally get, and allows him to synergize better with Sand or Hail, but at the loss of the aformentioned survivability.
-252 EVs in both Attack and Speed maximizes Breloom's potential

-Choice Scarf sounds like a potentially interesting item for Breloom, allowing it to fire off extra-fast Spores, but it really should not be used. Being locked into a non-attacking move permanantly can backfire quickly, requiring a switch

-Partners with Tailwind such as Togekiss and Latios synergize well with Breloom, aleviating its mid-speed issue and giving freedom to fire off fast Spores.
-In fact, Togekiss remains a fantastic ally, as it can redirect harmful Thunder Waves and other harmful moves away from Breloom with Follow Me. Volcarona serves a similar role with Rage Powder but both suffer an unfortunate Flying weakness.
-Pokemon with Safeguard protect Breloom from status, which is one of its worst enemies.

[SET]
name: Poison Heal
move 1: Spore
move 2: Seed Bomb
move 3: Drain Punch / Mach Punch
move 4: Protect
item: Toxic Orb
ability: Poison Heal
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

[Other Options]

-Low Sweep gets boosted by Technician but lacks the priority of Mach Punch
-Low Kick punishes Tyranitar and Terrakion hard but its boost from Technician depends on the weight of the foe

[Checks and Counters]

**Tobes** · May 16th, 2013, 3:09:04 PM

Might as well make this a full revamp since most Poison Heal Breloom (which is actually quite good btw) are specially defensive with the purpose of handling rain better and the current analysis doesn't reflect that.

lucariojr · May 16th, 2013, 8:23:02 PM

can't say ive ever used poison heal breloom, but i'd agree that that set needs to be redone since techniloom outclasses it.

while you're at it, add low kick to oo and an explanation on why you shouldnt use choice scarf. also on the technician set, you should explain what jolly and adamant do. what does jolly outspeed? what kos does adamant net?

callforjudgement · May 17th, 2013, 11:39:56 PM

The main problem with Choice Scarf is if you get priority Taunted, which can happen quite a lot. (The mons most likely to do that are the Prankster genies; Scarfed Breloom thus really needs to run a Rock move to cover them, but unfortunately can't KO them short of Stone Edge, which is a pretty awful move to lock yourself into.) It might be good enough to make OO, though, especially with a Fake Out partner to help it out as a lead combo. Takes a lot of prediction, though.

Darkmalice · May 18th, 2013, 8:52:48 AM

You can mention in the first set in AC that with a -Speed nature and 0 Spe Ivs, it can be use in Trick Room. It's slow enough for the job and can then Spore everything. And unlike Amoongus, it can hit hard too.

May 16th, 2013, 2:15:09 PM	#1
The Knights of Wario Land Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 813 Philadelphia	Breloom (Revamp) [Overview] -With Intimidate users everywhere, physical attackers consistently have a rough time in the VGC metagame. However, Breloom is a diamond in the rough, having a unique niche over several popular Pokemon in the tier. -Grass and Fighting is an excellent STAB combination, punishing Rain, Hail, and Sand teams -Fastest user of Spore -BW2 gave Breloom Technician, making it a sort-of equivalent to Scizor but with different coverage -Bulk absolutely sucks and has awkward speed -However, with proper support, Breloom can be a huge threat to any team [SET] name: Technician move 1: Bullet Seed move 2: Mach Punch move 3: Spore move 4: Protect item: Focus Sash / Life Orb ability: Technician nature: Jolly / Adamant evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] -Technician is the best ability Breloom could have ever wished for -Bullet Seed minus STAB now deals a base 37 damage per hit, hitting multiple threats such as Gastrodon, Swampert, and Politoed for massive damage, and hitting through Rindo Berry and Focus Sash -Mach Punch to Breloom is like Bullet Punch to Scizor: Mach Punch now has 60 base power minus STAB, having priority to get rid of an opponent that has been knocked down to its Sash or low HP, and hitting Tyranitar, Bisharp, and plentiful other Pokemon weak to Fighting for large damage -Spore has a plethora of usages: stopping Trick Room users and other setup, disabling Pokemon that are slightly slower than Breloom that it can't hit well enough with both of its STABs, and providing support for thee partner against a huge threat -Breloom needs Protect, as its average bulk won't help it much against faster threat's moves, such as Volcarona's Heat Wave, Mienshao's Acrobatics, and more [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -Both Focus Sash and Life Orb offer their different perks. With Focus Sash, Breloom is more guaranteed survival in the unpredictable world of Double Battles, but with Life Orb, Breloom can clutch certain KOs it can't normally get, and allows him to synergize better with Sand or Hail, but at the loss of the aformentioned survivability. -252 EVs in both Attack and Speed maximizes Breloom's potential -Choice Scarf sounds like a potentially interesting item for Breloom, allowing it to fire off extra-fast Spores, but it really should not be used. Being locked into a non-attacking move permanantly can backfire quickly, requiring a switch -Partners with Tailwind such as Togekiss and Latios synergize well with Breloom, aleviating its mid-speed issue and giving freedom to fire off fast Spores. -In fact, Togekiss remains a fantastic ally, as it can redirect harmful Thunder Waves and other harmful moves away from Breloom with Follow Me. Volcarona serves a similar role with Rage Powder but both suffer an unfortunate Flying weakness. -Pokemon with Safeguard protect Breloom from status, which is one of its worst enemies. [SET] name: Poison Heal move 1: Spore move 2: Seed Bomb move 3: Drain Punch / Mach Punch move 4: Protect item: Toxic Orb ability: Poison Heal nature: Adamant evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe [SET COMMENTS] [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] [Other Options] -Low Sweep gets boosted by Technician but lacks the priority of Mach Punch -Low Kick punishes Tyranitar and Terrakion hard but its boost from Technician depends on the weight of the foe [Checks and Counters] __________________ Newark VGC 2011: First round loss Philadelphia VGC 2012: 3-4 74th place Philadelphia VGC 2013: 5-3 29th place Art Thread Last edited by The Knights of Wario Land; May 17th, 2013 at 9:47:43 AM.

May 16th, 2013, 3:09:04 PM	#2
Tobes Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,246 GONER	Might as well make this a full revamp since most Poison Heal Breloom (which is actually quite good btw) are specially defensive with the purpose of handling rain better and the current analysis doesn't reflect that. __________________

May 16th, 2013, 8:23:02 PM	#3
lucariojr stranger'n a snake's suspenders, but sweeter'n a stolen kiss Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 948 Mississippi	can't say ive ever used poison heal breloom, but i'd agree that that set needs to be redone since techniloom outclasses it. while you're at it, add low kick to oo and an explanation on why you shouldnt use choice scarf. also on the technician set, you should explain what jolly and adamant do. what does jolly outspeed? what kos does adamant net? __________________ aint i a piece of work

May 17th, 2013, 11:39:56 PM	#4
callforjudgement Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 299	The main problem with Choice Scarf is if you get priority Taunted, which can happen quite a lot. (The mons most likely to do that are the Prankster genies; Scarfed Breloom thus really needs to run a Rock move to cover them, but unfortunately can't KO them short of Stone Edge, which is a pretty awful move to lock yourself into.) It might be good enough to make OO, though, especially with a Fake Out partner to help it out as a lead combo. Takes a lot of prediction, though. __________________ Pokémon spinoffs: Ranger You freak out when you hear a Clamperl; Mystery Dungeon You freak out when you see a Ledian. <Sunflora> So let me get this straight: you're sending me into a dungeon full of lava, to capture a Haunter which is part poison type?

May 18th, 2013, 8:52:48 AM	#5
Darkmalice Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,173 Adelaide, Australia	You can mention in the first set in AC that with a -Speed nature and 0 Spe Ivs, it can be use in Trick Room. It's slow enough for the job and can then Spore everything. And unlike Amoongus, it can hit hard too. __________________ Wanna play Doubles? Check it out here! Let's make this metagame official!