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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 6:44:02 AM   #1
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I'm brand new to competitive pokémon. The only reason I ended up here is because I decided to revisit the 1st gen games along with a friend as we found an emulator that actually had multiplayer working. We've gotten competitive and have arranged matches but with some conditions/rules in addition to the standard clause's used:
Taurus+Snorlax+Chansey+legendarys (including the birds) are banned. Movesets are restricted to only use one of each those coming from TM's; mostly this concerns standard moves that are used on several pokémons in your lineup usually such as body slam, thunderbolt/wave, etc.
My question is how does it affect the metagame? How can things be played differently? Will it simply be even less complex with psychics/special sweepers being unstopable? Less paralysis available and no real wall/blocker?
Rhydon/Golem will be unnecessary with no Zapdos to block.

What's the overall impact?
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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 7:37:42 AM   #2
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Rhydon/Golem still check Jolteon, Dodrio, and Persian (the latter two which will rise in usage). Can also be sent in on predicted Explosions.

Special sweepers don't become "unstoppable" due to move restrictions. For example, Starmie has Hydro Pump, but then has to choose between Psychic/Blizzard/Thunderbolt for a secondary move. Its effectiveness depends on how you get rid of its appropriate counter (Has to get rid of waters if it uses Blizzard, Has to get rid of grasses if it uses Thunderbolt, and has to get rid of Eggy/Starmie/Slowbro if it uses Psychic).

Alakazam generally assumes the bulk of Chansey's role.
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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 8:48:20 AM   #3
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What do you mean by only using TM once?
1. A pokemon can only have 1 TM in its 4 moves? < if this is the case, you don't need to ban Tauros or Chansey.
Or
2. You can only use the TM once? < if this is the case, I would leave Starmie as is, and without Chansey in the game it's going to be very difficult to bring down.

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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 11:48:56 AM   #4
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What do you mean by only using TM once?
1. A pokemon can only have 1 TM in its 4 moves? < if this is the case, you don't need to ban Tauros or Chansey.
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2. You can only use the TM once? < if this is the case, I would leave Starmie as is, and without Chansey in the game it's going to be very difficult to bring down.
2. This is the case, basically I have to decide which pokémons I'm going to spend my body slam/explosion/thunderbolt/-wave/etc on instead of having whatever movesets I want on each pokémon.

A side question, how does EV-training work when you swap in and thus "share" the fight?
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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 12:46:44 PM   #5
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The thread on this forum titled "Some questions about Gen 1 mechanics" by Jobes should clear up any questions about EV-training.

As for your team; what quickly comes to mind is something like;

Starmie: Recover, Thunderbolt(TM), Blizzard(TM), and Surf(HM)/Hydro Pump/Reflect(TM)

Alakazam: Recover, Psychic, Reflect, Thunderwave(TM)

Exeggutor: Sleep Powder, Psychic(TM), Explosion(TM), and Double-Edge(TM)/Mega Drain(TM)

Golem: Earthquake, Explosion, Body Slam(TM), Rock Slide(TM)

Persian: Slash, Screech, Hyperbeam(TM), Bubblebeam(TM)

not sure about the last spot? Another supporter perhaps, something that can counter Starmie/Alakazam?
Jolteon comes to mind but doesn't learn Thunderbolt, so have to go with Thunder.
Raichu might work but Body Slams been taken already.
Dragonite can use Wrap + Thunderwave to spread paralysis, and with less Blizzard around might be an option.
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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 2:12:37 PM   #6
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Without chansey, starmie becomes the best pokemon in the game easily
Jolteon is another threat, it has a nice natural movepool, counters starmie, can sweep lategame and can lure in golem to give you a free switch to eggy/starmie
Golem has awesome synergy with starmie and is generally just a beast, though Rhydon is better if you use explosion on something else
Gengar still the best sleep bait in the game, though even more so with Persian and Starmie running around giving it multiple chances to wake up.
Exeggutor is still awesome
Alakazam can work like a mini-chansey and spread para
Persian gives you a late-game physical sweeper
Lapras is another good option as its blizzard will hit everything very hard

I would do something like this:

Gengar (hypnosis, night shade, explosion, thunderbolt/mega drain)
Exeggutor (sleep powder, stun spore, double-edge, mega drain/psychic)
Rhydon (Earthquake, Rock Slide, Body Slam, Sub)
Starmie (Recover, Surf/T-wave, Thunder (TM), Blizzard (TM))
Jolteon (Thunder, Thunder Wave, Agility/Sand Attack, Pin Missile)
Lapras (Thunderbolt, Blizzard, Body Slam, Confuse Ray)

though this is just theory not practice.
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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 2:52:55 PM   #7
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No offense, but gonna have to disagree. But like you said it's all just theory.

But Gengar probably decreases in usefulness with less Hyperbeams/Body Slams/Explosions around. Thunderbolt is better used on other pokes like Starmie, Lapras, Jolteon. And Gengar's Atk. isn't that high and explosion is better used on Exeggutor. And Night Shade isn't that good a move either. And Alakazam is probably the best sleep bait.

Lapras is a great option though; and could work with Blizzard, Thunder, Confuse Ray, Rest, Mimic, Sing, Body Slam. Taking BS away from the Ground/Rock pokemon could hinder their use. But FireBlast is a usable option. Predicting the Exeggutor switch in, or look for the burn on Persian.
Edit: Just realized Lapras learns Body Slam, so don't have to use the TM there and Body Slam TM then goes on the Ground/Rock of your choice. But Lapras does not learn Blizzard, only Ice-beam. Probably using the Blizzard TM on Lapras and the Ice-Beam TM on Starmie is the better option.

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