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Cloud 8 · Oct 3rd, 2011, 11:16:37 PM

Alomomola is really messed up by Toxic Spikes thats why I recommend Scolipede over Accelgor as your spiker on your RMT ;). Taunt really shuts him down and Sableye has priority on it. Also it cant do shit to any grass types Tangela can Sub and Toxic all its health away but that goes for a lot of Sub Seeders. In summary, take advantage of Alomomola's lack of offensive prowress and vulnerabilty to Taunt and Toxic.

waterwarrior · Oct 4th, 2011, 4:45:37 PM

Giga Drain Yanmega and Download/ Specs (you only need one) PZ also screw up Alomomola (then again, what don't the two of them kill bar Munchlax...) and furthermore, WHY THE HELL IS MUNCHLAX NOT TOP 1O?! I don't even use him, but I still know he's incredible.

locoghoul · Oct 9th, 2011, 12:11:40 AM

Hey guys! I'm on my second run on my platinum cart and when it comes to the pixies I was wondering if a sassy (don't have a shiny calm spread) Uxie could be useful? What do you guys think?

Pwnemon · Oct 9th, 2011, 8:42:17 AM

IF this post is just asking about the viability of shiny sassy uxie why must it be shiny. Go with calm.

Banedon · Oct 9th, 2011, 8:44:04 AM

Why does Gardevoir have Heal Bell in its movepool in D/P, but not in B/W?

Pwnemon · Oct 9th, 2011, 8:49:40 AM

It gets it via 4gen tutor, if that's what you're asking.

waterwarrior · Oct 9th, 2011, 11:50:12 AM

Sassy isn't a bad nature for Uxie, but it isn't a good one either. While its base 95 Speed isn't great, its enough to outrun many slower offensive threats and gain the upper hand. Like Pwnemon said, go with Calm or Bold.

Malkyrian · Oct 9th, 2011, 7:58:25 PM

What is a standard nature/EV spread for a Bulk Up Gallade? I'm not sure how much speed to run, or how much to emphasize its defenses.

Scarfwynaut · Oct 9th, 2011, 10:04:09 PM

Hey I am just starting RU, and I am having decent success for literally not knowing how the metagame worked just a few days ago. But Alakazam keeps on screwing me over time and time again almost every time I see it. What are some good counters for Alakazam, not check because I am running stall, Muchlax doesn't work BTW.

Lady Shinki · Oct 9th, 2011, 10:24:20 PM

SpDef Drapion might be decent if you're running a stall team: he can come in easily on every move alakazam carries and pursuit/toxic spikes/whirlwind as you see fit. +1 Modest LO Focus Blast never 1hko's even after SR, and you can Crunch back for an easy KO. He does decently vs. most psychic-types with its neutrality to Fighting, and it can also deal with setup by Whirlwinding it away. A small bonus is that he can't be critted because of Battle Armor. Maybe a set like this would work?

Drapion @ Leftovers
252 HP/4 Def/252 SpDef
Careful / Battle Armor

Crunch
Toxic Spikes
Whirlwind
Rest / Taunt

Paired up with Aromatherapy/Heal Bell, it is a force to be reckoned with as it phazes for Toxic damage and Taunts to prevent setup (at base 95 speed it's still pretty fast uninvested).

Nails · Oct 9th, 2011, 10:28:32 PM

Sableye is counter #1 because it's immune to zam's stab and focus blast. Psychics like uxie and mesprit resist its two main attacks and are relatively effective. Scarfers can outspeed it and frequently ohko it due to its low defenses though they're generally only checks. A lack of special walls in ru means you have to wall zam with resistences, and not just bulk.

Scarfwynaut · Oct 9th, 2011, 10:35:09 PM

I guess I will keep on trying Drapion I suppose, it gets too annoying I will be sure to try Sableye.

CheezyMoon · Oct 9th, 2011, 10:59:40 PM

I didn't know where to post this, but on Gallade's page, the ability for the Bulk Up set is Justified, which is illegal with 3 of the moves (Drain Punch, Shadow Sneak, Ice Punch) Also, how come Feraligatr with its DW Ability be allowed in RU tier? Has it not been released or something?

zdrup15 · Oct 11th, 2011, 7:25:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Scarfwynaut

Hey I am just starting RU, and I am having decent success for literally not knowing how the metagame worked just a few days ago. But Alakazam keeps on screwing me over time and time again almost every time I see it. What are some good counters for Alakazam, not check because I am running stall, Muchlax doesn't work BTW.

Use Slowking. Iirc it can avoid the 2HKO from Shadow Ball and hit back with Scald (you have to EV it to 2HKO in return).

kniteowl · Oct 11th, 2011, 9:58:00 PM

I think Gallade with shadow sneak checks alakazam, no sword dance boost required, just max attack and a a life orb, jolly will OHKO, as long as Zam isn't carrying a sash.

I haven't done the damage calculations but from playing the game I've OHKO Zam with shadow sneak with 100% health.

Princess of Johto · Oct 14th, 2011, 12:25:12 AM

Would a Lonely nature on Tangrowth be out of the question? I know Naughty would be MUCH better, and I know it would be a shame to lower that great defense, but I only have a Lonely and Timid Tangrowth as my options (In-game, of course).

Thank you :3

**Molk** · Oct 14th, 2011, 3:56:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

Would a Lonely nature on Tangrowth be out of the question? I know Naughty would be MUCH better, and I know it would be a shame to lower that great defense, but I only have a Lonely and Timid Tangrowth as my options (In-game, of course).

Thank you :3

Yes I would say that a lonely nature on tangrowth is out of the question, one of tangrowth's assests is its physical bulk. Even uninvested it can still take pretty strong attacks from the physical side.

FrigidVeil · Oct 30th, 2011, 7:35:05 PM

Hey, I've looked around but I can't seem to find an answer for this. I haven't played much RU yet, and I was wondering if snover was considered RU? On the snover page it only lists little cup, where as hippopotas says UU, and vulpix is in limbo. So I was just wondering what teir snover was counted in when not used for little cup.

No Luck Involved · Oct 30th, 2011, 7:49:53 PM

Snover is RU

bluemon · Oct 30th, 2011, 8:03:11 PM

can we change the title to "ask a rarely asked question, get a rarely answered answer" ?

Pombo · Oct 30th, 2011, 9:19:29 PM

Why isnt smashpassing banned in RU?

Vratix · Oct 30th, 2011, 9:27:55 PM

Because it isn't banned in a higher tier and has not been a great enough problem as of yet to become Suspect here.

The key issue preventing it (even though all 3 Smash-passers are RU or Lower) is that the pool of recipients is not as healthy or frightening as the higher tiers. It can still be an excellent strategy to utilize but is often foiled one way or another by something that could be shrugged off in a higher tier.

waterwarrior · Oct 30th, 2011, 10:25:54 PM

There's also the fact that there are very few players actually abusing SmashPass. last time usage stats came out, Gorebyss was incredibly low (107, with <2% usage, but I'm not sure how much that has changed), and Huntail was even less. Offensive pressure helps keep SmashPass in check tremendously on Gorebyss even with White Herb, as many likely SP recipients can rarely risk the pass itself. Imo, the sweep Gorebyss and Omastar can perform is a lot more threatening than when it's given to someone else.

Nails · Oct 30th, 2011, 11:01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat bluemon

can we change the title to "ask a rarely asked question, get a rarely answered answer" ?

no

RotatingAtom · Nov 6th, 2011, 4:25:13 AM

I know that RU Round 2 will end on November 14th, and I'm happy to see that nothing is undoubtedly broken and the tier is pretty diverse at the moment from what I've seen, so I have to ask:

When will the tiers be updated based on usage again?

I'm sure many of you have already read that Sigilyph, Aerodactyl, Whimsicott and Dusclops, along with Weavile, are close to dropping to RU by usage, so when can I expect my team to be outdated because it cannot deal with the new threads? Will that be the case on November 14th as well? :(

Oct 3rd, 2011, 11:16:37 PM	#51
Cloud 8 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 220	Alomomola is really messed up by Toxic Spikes thats why I recommend Scolipede over Accelgor as your spiker on your RMT ;). Taunt really shuts him down and Sableye has priority on it. Also it cant do shit to any grass types Tangela can Sub and Toxic all its health away but that goes for a lot of Sub Seeders. In summary, take advantage of Alomomola's lack of offensive prowress and vulnerabilty to Taunt and Toxic. __________________ † I have accepted that Jesus Christ doesn't exist and am proud of it! Please do not copy and paste this because no one gives a shit about your religion.†

Oct 4th, 2011, 4:45:37 PM	#52
waterwarrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,635 FREAKING UNICORNS ON FREAKING RAINBOWS	Giga Drain Yanmega and Download/ Specs (you only need one) PZ also screw up Alomomola (then again, what don't the two of them kill bar Munchlax...) and furthermore, WHY THE HELL IS MUNCHLAX NOT TOP 1O?! I don't even use him, but I still know he's incredible. __________________ CAP ASB <Engineer> dw you should come to america <Engineer> where you can eat burgers and get fat <Destiny_Warrior> 9.9 engi * kingofburgerz [~cgiirc@synIRC-43958468.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #capasb**

Oct 9th, 2011, 12:11:40 AM	#53
locoghoul Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 673 Charlotte	Hey guys! I'm on my second run on my platinum cart and when it comes to the pixies I was wondering if a sassy (don't have a shiny calm spread) Uxie could be useful? What do you guys think? __________________ Ubers RMT Corona Blast! Girotina's Revenge Here comes the Sun

Oct 9th, 2011, 8:42:17 AM	#54
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Oct 9th, 2011, 8:49:40 AM	#56
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Oct 9th, 2011, 11:50:12 AM	#57
waterwarrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,635 FREAKING UNICORNS ON FREAKING RAINBOWS	Sassy isn't a bad nature for Uxie, but it isn't a good one either. While its base 95 Speed isn't great, its enough to outrun many slower offensive threats and gain the upper hand. Like Pwnemon said, go with Calm or Bold. __________________ CAP ASB <Engineer> dw you should come to america <Engineer> where you can eat burgers and get fat <Destiny_Warrior> 9.9 engi * kingofburgerz [~cgiirc@synIRC-43958468.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #capasb**

Oct 9th, 2011, 7:58:25 PM	#58
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Oct 9th, 2011, 10:04:09 PM	#59
Scarfwynaut Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,081 PA	Hey I am just starting RU, and I am having decent success for literally not knowing how the metagame worked just a few days ago. But Alakazam keeps on screwing me over time and time again almost every time I see it. What are some good counters for Alakazam, not check because I am running stall, Muchlax doesn't work BTW. __________________ I am not Scarf Wynaut on Pokemon Showdown. I am PrincesoBubblegum

Oct 9th, 2011, 10:24:20 PM	#60
Lady Shinki Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 408	SpDef Drapion might be decent if you're running a stall team: he can come in easily on every move alakazam carries and pursuit/toxic spikes/whirlwind as you see fit. +1 Modest LO Focus Blast never 1hko's even after SR, and you can Crunch back for an easy KO. He does decently vs. most psychic-types with its neutrality to Fighting, and it can also deal with setup by Whirlwinding it away. A small bonus is that he can't be critted because of Battle Armor. Maybe a set like this would work? Drapion @ Leftovers 252 HP/4 Def/252 SpDef Careful / Battle Armor Crunch Toxic Spikes Whirlwind Rest / Taunt Paired up with Aromatherapy/Heal Bell, it is a force to be reckoned with as it phazes for Toxic damage and Taunts to prevent setup (at base 95 speed it's still pretty fast uninvested).

Oct 9th, 2011, 10:28:32 PM	#61
Nails I wanna be a red panda when I grow up Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,253	Sableye is counter #1 because it's immune to zam's stab and focus blast. Psychics like uxie and mesprit resist its two main attacks and are relatively effective. Scarfers can outspeed it and frequently ohko it due to its low defenses though they're generally only checks. A lack of special walls in ru means you have to wall zam with resistences, and not just bulk. __________________ reyscarface: nails unluckiest man alive Eternal: no ghosting Das

Oct 9th, 2011, 10:35:09 PM	#62
Scarfwynaut Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,081 PA	I guess I will keep on trying Drapion I suppose, it gets too annoying I will be sure to try Sableye. __________________ I am not Scarf Wynaut on Pokemon Showdown. I am PrincesoBubblegum

Oct 9th, 2011, 10:59:40 PM	#63
CheezyMoon Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 66	I didn't know where to post this, but on Gallade's page, the ability for the Bulk Up set is Justified, which is illegal with 3 of the moves (Drain Punch, Shadow Sneak, Ice Punch) Also, how come Feraligatr with its DW Ability be allowed in RU tier? Has it not been released or something?

Oct 11th, 2011, 9:58:00 PM	#65
kniteowl Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 322	I think Gallade with shadow sneak checks alakazam, no sword dance boost required, just max attack and a a life orb, jolly will OHKO, as long as Zam isn't carrying a sash. I haven't done the damage calculations but from playing the game I've OHKO Zam with shadow sneak with 100% health.

Oct 14th, 2011, 12:25:12 AM	#66
Princess of Johto Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,628 Ohio	Would a Lonely nature on Tangrowth be out of the question? I know Naughty would be MUCH better, and I know it would be a shame to lower that great defense, but I only have a Lonely and Timid Tangrowth as my options (In-game, of course). Thank you :3 __________________ » My Pokemon » BW Entralink PID+IV abuse guide » BW ID/SID+shiny starter abuse guide » HGSS Safari Zone abuse guide » Pokecheck Box

Oct 30th, 2011, 7:35:05 PM	#68
FrigidVeil Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1	Hey, I've looked around but I can't seem to find an answer for this. I haven't played much RU yet, and I was wondering if snover was considered RU? On the snover page it only lists little cup, where as hippopotas says UU, and vulpix is in limbo. So I was just wondering what teir snover was counted in when not used for little cup.

Oct 30th, 2011, 7:49:53 PM	#69
No Luck Involved Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,293	Snover is RU

Oct 30th, 2011, 8:03:11 PM	#70
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	can we change the title to "ask a rarely asked question, get a rarely answered answer" ?

Oct 30th, 2011, 9:19:29 PM	#71
Pombo Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 681	Why isnt smashpassing banned in RU? __________________ Be jealous, fellow Smogoners. My avatar is the best EVER made! I know you want something like that, but Rocket Grunt made it. This means no equal, right? "(17:34:22) Solar Thunder: lol wats the prob of exca have ice punch (17:34:29) KorkonT: Moles don't have eyes"

Oct 30th, 2011, 9:27:55 PM	#72
Vratix Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 739 Inebriation	Because it isn't banned in a higher tier and has not been a great enough problem as of yet to become Suspect here. The key issue preventing it (even though all 3 Smash-passers are RU or Lower) is that the pool of recipients is not as healthy or frightening as the higher tiers. It can still be an excellent strategy to utilize but is often foiled one way or another by something that could be shrugged off in a higher tier. __________________ Golem is a rocker

Oct 30th, 2011, 10:25:54 PM	#73
waterwarrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,635 FREAKING UNICORNS ON FREAKING RAINBOWS	There's also the fact that there are very few players actually abusing SmashPass. last time usage stats came out, Gorebyss was incredibly low (107, with <2% usage, but I'm not sure how much that has changed), and Huntail was even less. Offensive pressure helps keep SmashPass in check tremendously on Gorebyss even with White Herb, as many likely SP recipients can rarely risk the pass itself. Imo, the sweep Gorebyss and Omastar can perform is a lot more threatening than when it's given to someone else. __________________ CAP ASB <Engineer> dw you should come to america <Engineer> where you can eat burgers and get fat <Destiny_Warrior> 9.9 engi * kingofburgerz [~cgiirc@synIRC-43958468.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #capasb**

Nov 6th, 2011, 4:25:13 AM	#75
RotatingAtom Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 299	I know that RU Round 2 will end on November 14th, and I'm happy to see that nothing is undoubtedly broken and the tier is pretty diverse at the moment from what I've seen, so I have to ask: When will the tiers be updated based on usage again? I'm sure many of you have already read that Sigilyph, Aerodactyl, Whimsicott and Dusclops, along with Weavile, are close to dropping to RU by usage, so when can I expect my team to be outdated because it cannot deal with the new threads? Will that be the case on November 14th as well? :( __________________ Avatar by the amazing Yilx!