Reflections - A team by Stone_Cold (peaked #1)

Stone_Cold · Oct 5th, 2011, 11:58:25 PM

Facts about the team
Peaked #1
6 wins in the frontier

This team IS NOT meant to take hits, so don't tell me what it covers and doesn't cover. I am retiring this team and know it's weaknesses very well. It is made for a quick sweep and has done so much for me, this is by far the most fun team I have ever used and I find myself going back to it everytime I use it. Please enjoy.

About the name of the team
Saturday night, August 5th. Stone_Cold, Eo Ut Mortus, and TheFourthChaser were in a 3 way call and I was murking niggas and showing them my skills, then out of nowhere we all started singing Reflection from Mulan in Harmony. Now everytime I use this team, I listen to Reflections as I use this and it has gotten me 95% win rate when I use this team in coordination with that song.

I encourage you all to listen to this as you view the team and read my last comments. Please enjoy and without further ado. I asked Andrea aka Godudette on Smogon to sing Reflections for my RMT introduction music and she hesitantly agreed. Here you all are. Give her a round of applause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-9mb6KJ70

Politoed (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Perish Song

I have only used one Politoed set ever and this would be it. Specs is strong, but Specs can't pull a sweep like ScarfToed can. ToxicProtect is cool, if you like to stall and want to use a terrible set. This is the set guys, Focus Blast is a piece of shit move and I am removing for hp grass momentarily, fucking Gastrodons ruining my day.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Hidden Power [Grass]

One of the best rain sweepers I have ever used. Normally OHKO's Scizor cold and obviously has the ability to sweep. However, Rapid Spin is it's main priority as it allows me to help 3 of the 4 following pokemon do their job. While sweeping with Starmie is beneficial and always welcome, it's main purpose is to support this face paced team.

Jolteon (F) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Underrated. I had Rotom on this team, it was cool. I put Jolteon on this team, I never once looked back. The speed and pure power of Thunder is one of the best feelings. I had magnet on for a while but Ebelt normally allows HP Ice to KO gliscor 100% of the time. Jolteon help prepares Dugtrio for Nintetails, Tyranitar, Jirachi, etc.

Tornadus (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hurricane
- Focus Blast
- U-turn
- Rain Dance

Many people ask me, "Stone, what in your opinion is one of the greatest sweepers you have used". My response is: Hurricane on blast. Many of the Frontier brains fell victim to Specs Hurricane early on and it is such a spectacular move. Jirachi's get 3hko'd and Heatran is the only Pokemon I have witnessed who can attempt to tank it and in Rain it's still not doing a heapload. This guy is one of the few reasons I can get quick wins, don't underestimate this guys power.

Guys just ignore dark pulse and focus blast, they serve no purpose and are filler. If im not U-turning, im SPECS HURRICANE ON BLAST. No need for all that other shit. <3

Dugtrio (F) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
(Please lower hp to 201 for 50hp subs)
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Substitute
- Reversal

I would like to start this set off by thanking Tobes for such an incredible set. Before this was the main set to use, I was introduced to this on the East World Cup channel by Tobes, as far as I am concerned he created this set and introduced it to BW OU. Please correct me if I am wrong. With the ability to weaken and get rid of some of the biggest threats in the game, there is no reason to even consider moving this guy off this team. I have killed every single weather pokemon in the game w/ this, even Abomasnow. Tornadus and Jolteon set this guy up so perfectly and many times I can get sr off before the intiial kill. By far one of the most fun pokemon I have ever used.

---Note---
Every battler longs for the incredible feeling of having a set they can call their own. Philip7086 in 2009 created a set that exploded on Smogon and had people in awe. Torment Heatran. Many of us know it today and while I have made a plethora of sets with Philip7086, and have a few I could call my own, this is by far the best pokemon I have ever used on any of my teams. Countless times I have swept, and I have never been more proud to make this guy. It was totally worth it and I am glad I can share it all with you. I have gotten numerous PO pm's and Forum pm's asking for the set and spread so here it is.

Thanks to:
Tobes for inspiring this set for me
IFM for inspiring this set for me
Earthworm for helping me finish the ev spread

Dragonite (F) @ Leftovers

Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 16 SDef / 160 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Dragon Claw
- Substitute
- Roost
- Dragon Dance

With the addition of Multiscale, Dragonite is one of the best pokemon in BW OU right now. What many didn't consider at the time of me creating this set a couple months ago was abusing Multiscale with Substitute and Roost. Originally this was jolly nature with 16 speed and the rest in Special Defense but it was proven that Careful nature and 160 speed is more beneficial. With the ability to stall ice beams and hp ices and get the initial set up, I have gotten more pure sweeps with this pokemon then any other pokemon in my entire pokemon career. I see myself all the time simply sacrificing my entire team so I can just set this guy up vs stall teams and sweep. If you have faced this team and haven't lost to this guy, I would be very suprised. This is the reason I play pokemon, theres just sets that can stun you and make you want to use them over and over and this is one of them.

Final Note:
Im not looking for too much criticisim, this is more or less me just showing this team to everyone and making it public for use if anyone wants to ever try it or make some of their own additions to it. This team has more then lived up to my expectations.

To team raters, if you choose to rate this, keep in mind it isn't meant for pure switch ins. It's an offensive team and it seems these days you guys forget that word. It's meant to pound the opponent down and not let them have any room for error. This team is very simple to use and not complex. Theres a lot of holes but I have played around every hole that has been presented to me at some point. Enjoy everyone :)

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MCramez · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:08:53 AM

This team is similar to my team, except for the whole being a lot better. Couple a questions, why do you run dark pulse on tornadus? no grass knot/hp ice?

I run specsjolt and love it. Good synergy with tornadus since it baits eq's, however it does kill momentum w/ ground type switchins. Might have to try out expert belt.

Whats your answer to icebeam/scald/ep/recover gastrodon? Can dnight set up on it effectively? because it walls a lot of your team.

Very cool team overall, thanks for showing me it

Stone_Cold · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat MCramez

This team is similar to my team, except for the whole being a lot better. Couple a questions, why do you run dark pulse on tornadus? no grass knot/hp ice?

I run specsjolt and love it. Good synergy with tornadus since it baits eq's, however it does kill momentum w/ ground type switchins. Might have to try out expert belt.

Whats your answer to icebeam/scald/ep/recover gastrodon? Can dnight set up on it effectively? because it walls a lot of your team.

Very cool team overall, thanks for showing me it

I edited the tornadus thing. I could put GKNote I guess. HP Ice isn't needed, nothing Specs Hurricane doesn't cover. IB/Scald/EP/Recover Gastro will not do ANYTHING to Dnite and it will set up very easily. If Gastro has toxic, that's anothing thing but I am good enough to play around it. However, to a beginner I would suggest strapping on hp grass and gk on Poli and Tornadus.

Keep the questions up, I am more then happy to answer. :)

Thatsjustpeachy · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:16:23 AM

I remember seeing this team in action and that dragonite is the MVP of the team. Im thankful you shared your set to me before when i was playing it in a similar team set up and it worked wonders. Unfortunately i deleted the team accidentally, but now im reunited with that dragonite set <3. Sometimes that dragonite is all you need to win. Great rain offense :)

Banedon · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:21:03 AM

Just curious but how does your team average 13 kills per game? @_@

Stone_Cold · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:25:15 AM

To banedon, smh.

Bluewind · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:25:31 AM

BECAUSE YOU FORCED ME TO.

This is really great, I'll always dig a team that uses Tornadus, Dugtrio, Jolteon and Starmie; and that Dragonite set is a fucking huge whore. As you said, putting HP Grass somewhere would be helpful, especially now that Gastrodon / Heatran / Skarmory cores got more common. I don't see your team too hard pressed to deal with Gliscor and Landorus to be honest, so maybe it could replace HP Ice on Jolteon (though when it comes down to one on one, HP Ice will always be better; and Dragonite has the potential to bitch your team pretty hard). Another option is giving HP Grass to Starmie (or even Psyshock, as IIRC it can 2HKO) over Thunderbolt, which would allow you to hit Rotom as well. You could always run Psyshock / Hydro Pump / Recover / Rapid Spin to ensure you'll be around to dick Gastrodon as well and retain good coverage, but then you'd let Dragonite / Latias setup and that isn't too nice.

Anyways, just some random thoughts. Also give your Tornadus Tailwind, it could really help if you let something like Gyarados or Dragonite setup ._.

Good job negres and good luck

MikeDecIsHere · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:27:11 AM

It's like Heal Bell Nite, but better!

Anyway, this is a great team Stone. Not going to bother giving some amateur rate since you'll blow my ass out of the water.

Edit: I thought you said Tornadus sucks hehe

ShinyAzelf · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:48:00 AM

luvdisc'd

fucking beast Dugtrio pic, nuff said

perfect team from a perfect user, cant rate this, sorry

ShakeItUp · Oct 6th, 2011, 12:56:08 AM

Nice team Stone!
Don't see any flaws really; good job :]

mostwanted · Oct 6th, 2011, 1:03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ShakeItUp

Nice team Stone!
Don't see any flaws really; good job :]

StoneItUp. :]

***Aldaron**** · Oct 6th, 2011, 1:07:58 AM

YOUR AVERAGE KILLS ADD UP TO 13 IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME

ALSO F U STONE FOR PUBLICIZING BULKY DD SUB NITE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SET EVERYONE ENJOYED USED ON THE DL

OTHERWISE SOLID TEAM I ENJOY PLAYING WITH SLIGHT VARIATIONS OF IT (DIDN'T COPY YOU JUST ENDED UP WITH A SIMILAR CORE WHILE BUILDING ON BULKY SUB DD NITE)

D4RR3N · Oct 6th, 2011, 1:16:37 AM

team too good.

**Pocket** · Oct 6th, 2011, 1:41:28 AM

Thanks for the presentation, Stone_Cold! Interesting team, especially your choice of DNite (I was expecting LO Rain-Mix).

Just like ShakeItUp and me, you may want to try out Hypnosis on ScarfToed. 60% may be chancy for you, but it helped me out. Whether it be Latias, Gastrodon, Jellicent, or Ferrothorn, you will be crippling them with sleep. Sleep will provide amazing support to your relatively frail team, granting your Rain Sweepers free switch-ins.

If you're putting any Grass move for Gastrodon, it should be on Starmie. You honestly don't want your choice mons to be locked into a grass move, the ultimate chance for being set-up bait. Starmie is naturally a great lure to Gastrodon, so it would have no problems 2-shotting it. It can then proceed to sweep a little on its own as well. I recommend Grass Knot > HP Grass, since Starmie's primary goal is to Spin away hazards, and HP Grass would do shit to Jellicent. Give Starmie Expert Belt to give it the 20% oomph it needs to break through Jelly and Gastri. Jolteon and Starmie can be belt friends. Grass Knot replaces Tbolt (why no Thunder).

Wouldn't Baton Pass be more fitting than Volt Switch? It lets Jolteon escape from Dugtrio and Pursuit Ttars, and lets it pass its Substitute. Unless you use Substitute very sparingly, only for emergency situations. It's something to consider imo.

Not having anything on Dugtrio to hit Flying / Levitator Pokemon is sort of scary, imo, since so many mons can set up on it. Stone Edge / Rock Slide / Rock Tomb should go over Sub imo... What does Sub do other than ensure max-damage Reversal? Is Max-damage Reversal necessary to take out Ttar? Sorry if this is a stupid question... haven't used Dugtrio myself.

Thanks for sharing your love.

Stone_Cold · Oct 6th, 2011, 1:45:22 AM

Max reversal is important to KO TTar that'd be correct. I need lefties on Starmie, ebelt won't be doing much since most attacks I use is neutral damage and the extra hp is always nice. HP Grass on scarf toed is better imo since I murk lati's already believe it or not xD. Duggy has never killed my Jolteon since I normally have rocks up first and hp ice is a OHKO, unless they are sashed but they normally aren't. Thanks for the critique though, keep em coming.

Deinosaur · Oct 6th, 2011, 1:48:54 AM

oh dang I remember seeing this team on ladder just tonight actually, i think that I beat it with tons of hazards and a crit, but this team is seriously well built and has few exploitable weaknesses.

idiotfrommars · Oct 6th, 2011, 2:12:41 AM

Great team stone.

I remember the creation of that dnite set. Never thought it would turn into the monster it did, but you truly made it work.

Also put Tailwind over Dark Pulse. Might help in random situations where someone luck fucks you.

Stunt · Oct 6th, 2011, 2:29:57 AM

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3569285
i made a team off that dugtrio set a long time ago :P

I like your team though, truly up there with the top tier offensive rain teams.

Stone_Cold · Oct 6th, 2011, 2:49:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Stunt

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3569285
i made a team off that dugtrio set a long time ago :P

I like your team though, truly up there with the top tier offensive rain teams.

Yeah tobes had the set right before wcop, which was like a month before that, it's really a great set. How did yours work without sub? Was it as successful?

And tyvm man :D

Valentine · Oct 6th, 2011, 3:02:12 AM

Not bad Stone, grats on r1 ^-^
Super effective Dark Pulse hits lower than neutral Hurricane, replace it. Even with Specs, Taunt/Tailwind can come in handy

Stunt · Oct 6th, 2011, 3:05:46 AM

I didn't see substitute. But thats because I usually sacrifice Espeon to prevent hazards.

Weird pictures @_@
May I inquire as to how you handle jolteon?

LebronJames · Oct 6th, 2011, 7:14:27 AM

Ferrothorn is a big threat for you D:

min min · Oct 6th, 2011, 8:28:07 AM

Echoing the above poster, how would you deal with a Ferrothorn? IMO Dragonite has to be pretty damn ballsy to switch in on Ferro and hopefully set up, but Gyro Ball and Thunder Wave is tricky.

coughing · Oct 6th, 2011, 9:02:51 AM

How bout CM latias? after one CM i don't see ice beam on politoed, jolteon or starmie doing much damage, you're only hope is for dragonite to set up early

fatsnorlax · Oct 6th, 2011, 11:12:19 AM

This is a great team(: The Dugtrio pic is awesome too(:

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:16:23 AM	#4
Thatsjustpeachy 金发控-粉发控 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,530 纯白的孤月反射的刀身之光	I remember seeing this team in action and that dragonite is the MVP of the team. Im thankful you shared your set to me before when i was playing it in a similar team set up and it worked wonders. Unfortunately i deleted the team accidentally, but now im reunited with that dragonite set <3. Sometimes that dragonite is all you need to win. Great rain offense :) __________________

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:21:03 AM	#5
Banedon Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 903	Just curious but how does your team average 13 kills per game? @_@ __________________ Half the people on this forum are extremely rude in-game. If you believe in politeness both in-battle and outside it, put this in your signature. UU Warstory: What do I do next?

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:25:15 AM	#6
Stone_Cold Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,857	To banedon, smh. __________________ Let's get down to business.... Last edited by Stone_Cold; Oct 6th, 2011 at 12:35:24 AM.

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:25:31 AM	#7
Bluewind My appearance, ability, and awesomeness strike fear into the hearts of any sane battler and my thorny vines drop the opposing forces just an iron ball plowing into a man's genitals. Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,302 Bloo's fancy mansion	BECAUSE YOU FORCED ME TO. This is really great, I'll always dig a team that uses Tornadus, Dugtrio, Jolteon and Starmie; and that Dragonite set is a fucking huge whore. As you said, putting HP Grass somewhere would be helpful, especially now that Gastrodon / Heatran / Skarmory cores got more common. I don't see your team too hard pressed to deal with Gliscor and Landorus to be honest, so maybe it could replace HP Ice on Jolteon (though when it comes down to one on one, HP Ice will always be better; and Dragonite has the potential to bitch your team pretty hard). Another option is giving HP Grass to Starmie (or even Psyshock, as IIRC it can 2HKO) over Thunderbolt, which would allow you to hit Rotom as well. You could always run Psyshock / Hydro Pump / Recover / Rapid Spin to ensure you'll be around to dick Gastrodon as well and retain good coverage, but then you'd let Dragonite / Latias setup and that isn't too nice. Anyways, just some random thoughts. Also give your Tornadus Tailwind, it could really help if you let something like Gyarados or Dragonite setup ._. Good job negres and good luck __________________ Last edited by Bluewind; Oct 6th, 2011 at 12:36:18 AM.

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:27:11 AM	#8
MikeDecIsHere Laying the Groundwork for the Pound Work Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,840 Staten Island Mentor	It's like Heal Bell Nite, but better! Anyway, this is a great team Stone. Not going to bother giving some amateur rate since you'll blow my ass out of the water. Edit: I thought you said Tornadus sucks hehe __________________

Oct 5th, 2011, 11:58:25 PM	#1
Stone_Cold Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,857	Reflections - A team by Stone_Cold (peaked #1) Facts about the team Peaked #1 6 wins in the frontier This team IS NOT meant to take hits, so don't tell me what it covers and doesn't cover. I am retiring this team and know it's weaknesses very well. It is made for a quick sweep and has done so much for me, this is by far the most fun team I have ever used and I find myself going back to it everytime I use it. Please enjoy. About the name of the team Saturday night, August 5th. Stone_Cold, Eo Ut Mortus, and TheFourthChaser were in a 3 way call and I was murking niggas and showing them my skills, then out of nowhere we all started singing Reflection from Mulan in Harmony. Now everytime I use this team, I listen to Reflections as I use this and it has gotten me 95% win rate when I use this team in coordination with that song. I encourage you all to listen to this as you view the team and read my last comments. Please enjoy and without further ado. I asked Andrea aka Godudette on Smogon to sing Reflections for my RMT introduction music and she hesitantly agreed. Here you all are. Give her a round of applause. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev-9mb6KJ70 Politoed (F) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Drizzle EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Hidden Power [Grass] - Perish Song I have only used one Politoed set ever and this would be it. Specs is strong, but Specs can't pull a sweep like ScarfToed can. ToxicProtect is cool, if you like to stall and want to use a terrible set. This is the set guys, Focus Blast is a piece of shit move and I am removing for hp grass momentarily, fucking Gastrodons ruining my day. Starmie @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Rapid Spin - Hidden Power [Grass] One of the best rain sweepers I have ever used. Normally OHKO's Scizor cold and obviously has the ability to sweep. However, Rapid Spin is it's main priority as it allows me to help 3 of the 4 following pokemon do their job. While sweeping with Starmie is beneficial and always welcome, it's main purpose is to support this face paced team. Jolteon (F) @ Expert Belt Trait: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Baton Pass - Substitute - Thunder - Hidden Power [Ice] Underrated. I had Rotom on this team, it was cool. I put Jolteon on this team, I never once looked back. The speed and pure power of Thunder is one of the best feelings. I had magnet on for a while but Ebelt normally allows HP Ice to KO gliscor 100% of the time. Jolteon help prepares Dugtrio for Nintetails, Tyranitar, Jirachi, etc. Tornadus (M) @ Choice Specs Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hurricane - Focus Blast - U-turn - Rain Dance Many people ask me, "Stone, what in your opinion is one of the greatest sweepers you have used". My response is: Hurricane on blast. Many of the Frontier brains fell victim to Specs Hurricane early on and it is such a spectacular move. Jirachi's get 3hko'd and Heatran is the only Pokemon I have witnessed who can attempt to tank it and in Rain it's still not doing a heapload. This guy is one of the few reasons I can get quick wins, don't underestimate this guys power. Guys just ignore dark pulse and focus blast, they serve no purpose and are filler. If im not U-turning, im SPECS HURRICANE ON BLAST. No need for all that other shit. <3 Dugtrio (F) @ Focus Sash Trait: Arena Trap EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd (Please lower hp to 201 for 50hp subs) Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Stealth Rock - Earthquake - Substitute - Reversal I would like to start this set off by thanking Tobes for such an incredible set. Before this was the main set to use, I was introduced to this on the East World Cup channel by Tobes, as far as I am concerned he created this set and introduced it to BW OU. Please correct me if I am wrong. With the ability to weaken and get rid of some of the biggest threats in the game, there is no reason to even consider moving this guy off this team. I have killed every single weather pokemon in the game w/ this, even Abomasnow. Tornadus and Jolteon set this guy up so perfectly and many times I can get sr off before the intiial kill. By far one of the most fun pokemon I have ever used. ---Note--- Every battler longs for the incredible feeling of having a set they can call their own. Philip7086 in 2009 created a set that exploded on Smogon and had people in awe. Torment Heatran. Many of us know it today and while I have made a plethora of sets with Philip7086, and have a few I could call my own, this is by far the best pokemon I have ever used on any of my teams. Countless times I have swept, and I have never been more proud to make this guy. It was totally worth it and I am glad I can share it all with you. I have gotten numerous PO pm's and Forum pm's asking for the set and spread so here it is. Thanks to: Tobes for inspiring this set for me IFM for inspiring this set for me Earthworm for helping me finish the ev spread Dragonite (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Multiscale EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 16 SDef / 160 Spd Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Dragon Claw - Substitute - Roost - Dragon Dance With the addition of Multiscale, Dragonite is one of the best pokemon in BW OU right now. What many didn't consider at the time of me creating this set a couple months ago was abusing Multiscale with Substitute and Roost. Originally this was jolly nature with 16 speed and the rest in Special Defense but it was proven that Careful nature and 160 speed is more beneficial. With the ability to stall ice beams and hp ices and get the initial set up, I have gotten more pure sweeps with this pokemon then any other pokemon in my entire pokemon career. I see myself all the time simply sacrificing my entire team so I can just set this guy up vs stall teams and sweep. If you have faced this team and haven't lost to this guy, I would be very suprised. This is the reason I play pokemon, theres just sets that can stun you and make you want to use them over and over and this is one of them. *Final Note:* Im not looking for too much criticisim, this is more or less me just showing this team to everyone and making it public for use if anyone wants to ever try it or make some of their own additions to it. This team has more then lived up to my expectations. To team raters, if you choose to rate this, keep in mind it isn't meant for pure switch ins. It's an offensive team and it seems these days you guys forget that word. It's meant to pound the opponent down and not let them have any room for error. This team is very simple to use and not complex. Theres a lot of holes but I have played around every hole that has been presented to me at some point. Enjoy everyone :) export Dragonite (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Multiscale EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 16 SDef / 160 Spd Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Dragon Claw - Substitute - Roost - Dragon Dance Politoed (F) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Drizzle EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Hidden Power [Grass] - Perish Song Tornadus (M) @ Choice Specs Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hurricane - Focus Blast - U-turn - Rain Dance Starmie @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Rapid Spin - Hidden Power [Grass] Jolteon (F) @ Expert Belt Trait: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Baton Pass - Substitute - Thunder - Hidden Power [Ice] Dugtrio (F) @ Focus Sash Trait: Arena Trap EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Stealth Rock - Earthquake - Substitute - Reversal __________________ Let's get down to business.... Last edited by Stone_Cold; Oct 6th, 2011 at 6:39:24 PM.

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:08:53 AM	#2
MCramez Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 26	This team is similar to my team, except for the whole being a lot better. Couple a questions, why do you run dark pulse on tornadus? no grass knot/hp ice? I run specsjolt and love it. Good synergy with tornadus since it baits eq's, however it does kill momentum w/ ground type switchins. Might have to try out expert belt. Whats your answer to icebeam/scald/ep/recover gastrodon? Can dnight set up on it effectively? because it walls a lot of your team. Very cool team overall, thanks for showing me it

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:48:00 AM	#9
ShinyAzelf Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,377 Hong Kong	luvdisc'd fucking beast Dugtrio pic, nuff said perfect team from a perfect user, cant rate this, sorry

Oct 6th, 2011, 12:56:08 AM	#10
ShakeItUp Darkravenn12: Always and Forever Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,118 Mentor	Nice team Stone! Don't see any flaws really; good job :] __________________ (19:01) galacticos: at least im not (19:01) galacticos: 0-5 like you (19:01) galacticos: gg bro Galacticos (Random PO scrub who johned me) to user: Double01

Oct 6th, 2011, 1:07:58 AM	#12
*Aldaron Don't tell me what to do. Super Moderator** Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,374	YOUR AVERAGE KILLS ADD UP TO 13 IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME ALSO F U STONE FOR PUBLICIZING BULKY DD SUB NITE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SET EVERYONE ENJOYED USED ON THE DL OTHERWISE SOLID TEAM I ENJOY PLAYING WITH SLIGHT VARIATIONS OF IT (DIDN'T COPY YOU JUST ENDED UP WITH A SIMILAR CORE WHILE BUILDING ON BULKY SUB DD NITE) __________________ beast mode

Oct 6th, 2011, 1:16:37 AM	#13
D4RR3N Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 737	team too good. __________________ I'm back :)

Oct 6th, 2011, 1:41:28 AM	#14
Pocket Bakuman ;< Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,185 Bergenfield	Thanks for the presentation, Stone_Cold! Interesting team, especially your choice of DNite (I was expecting LO Rain-Mix). Just like ShakeItUp and me, you may want to try out Hypnosis on ScarfToed. 60% may be chancy for you, but it helped me out. Whether it be Latias, Gastrodon, Jellicent, or Ferrothorn, you will be crippling them with sleep. Sleep will provide amazing support to your relatively frail team, granting your Rain Sweepers free switch-ins. If you're putting any Grass move for Gastrodon, it should be on Starmie. You honestly don't want your choice mons to be locked into a grass move, the ultimate chance for being set-up bait. Starmie is naturally a great lure to Gastrodon, so it would have no problems 2-shotting it. It can then proceed to sweep a little on its own as well. I recommend Grass Knot > HP Grass, since Starmie's primary goal is to Spin away hazards, and HP Grass would do shit to Jellicent. Give Starmie Expert Belt to give it the 20% oomph it needs to break through Jelly and Gastri. Jolteon and Starmie can be belt friends. Grass Knot replaces Tbolt (why no Thunder). Wouldn't Baton Pass be more fitting than Volt Switch? It lets Jolteon escape from Dugtrio and Pursuit Ttars, and lets it pass its Substitute. Unless you use Substitute very sparingly, only for emergency situations. It's something to consider imo. Not having anything on Dugtrio to hit Flying / Levitator Pokemon is sort of scary, imo, since so many mons can set up on it. Stone Edge / Rock Slide / Rock Tomb should go over Sub imo... What does Sub do other than ensure max-damage Reversal? Is Max-damage Reversal necessary to take out Ttar? Sorry if this is a stupid question... haven't used Dugtrio myself. Thanks for sharing your love. __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official!

Oct 6th, 2011, 1:45:22 AM	#15
Stone_Cold Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,857	Max reversal is important to KO TTar that'd be correct. I need lefties on Starmie, ebelt won't be doing much since most attacks I use is neutral damage and the extra hp is always nice. HP Grass on scarf toed is better imo since I murk lati's already believe it or not xD. Duggy has never killed my Jolteon since I normally have rocks up first and hp ice is a OHKO, unless they are sashed but they normally aren't. Thanks for the critique though, keep em coming. __________________ Let's get down to business....

Oct 6th, 2011, 1:48:54 AM	#16
Deinosaur Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 485 Pretty average user.	oh dang I remember seeing this team on ladder just tonight actually, i think that I beat it with tons of hazards and a crit, but this team is seriously well built and has few exploitable weaknesses. __________________ I knew you were trouble when you walked in~ Pretty much all I do on Smogon anyway

Oct 6th, 2011, 2:12:41 AM	#17
idiotfrommars schemes and plots are the same thing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,025 Michigan	Great team stone. I remember the creation of that dnite set. Never thought it would turn into the monster it did, but you truly made it work. Also put Tailwind over Dark Pulse. Might help in random situations where someone luck fucks you. __________________

Oct 6th, 2011, 2:29:57 AM	#18
Stunt Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 188	http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3569285 i made a team off that dugtrio set a long time ago :P I like your team though, truly up there with the top tier offensive rain teams.

Oct 6th, 2011, 3:02:12 AM	#20
Valentine Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 234 vive y deja vivir	Not bad Stone, grats on r1 ^-^ Super effective Dark Pulse hits lower than neutral Hurricane, replace it. Even with Specs, Taunt/Tailwind can come in handy Last edited by Valentine; Nov 16th, 2012 at 6:37:06 PM.

Oct 6th, 2011, 3:05:46 AM	#21
Stunt Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 188	I didn't see substitute. But thats because I usually sacrifice Espeon to prevent hazards. Weird pictures @_@ May I inquire as to how you handle jolteon? Last edited by Stunt; Oct 6th, 2011 at 3:20:07 AM.

Oct 6th, 2011, 7:14:27 AM	#22
LebronJames Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 42 M.z	Ferrothorn is a big threat for you D:

Oct 6th, 2011, 8:28:07 AM	#23
min min Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,017 MSPA'd.	Echoing the above poster, how would you deal with a Ferrothorn? IMO Dragonite has to be pretty damn ballsy to switch in on Ferro and hopefully set up, but Gyro Ball and Thunder Wave is tricky. __________________ avatar by yilx RMT: Team Trifecto (20:29:16) ±Porygon: Your rank in Wifi OU is 45/74104 [1531 points / 712 battles]!

Oct 6th, 2011, 9:02:51 AM	#24
coughing Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 114	How bout CM latias? after one CM i don't see ice beam on politoed, jolteon or starmie doing much damage, you're only hope is for dragonite to set up early

Oct 6th, 2011, 11:12:19 AM	#25
fatsnorlax Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 436 Ravnica	This is a great team(: The Dugtrio pic is awesome too(: __________________ In due time, you will realize that this is the single most brilliant sig you have or ever will read. Last edited by fatsnorlax; Oct 6th, 2011 at 11:31:52 PM.