Little Cup CCAT (Poll now up!): Please see post 142! - Page 2

Drifloon · Oct 8th, 2011, 4:06:34 PM

I'm voting for Eggy simply because it's ridiculously good and underated.

**blarajan** · Oct 8th, 2011, 7:13:03 PM

If we use Exeggcute, we have to use mine (sorry Raseri). Substitute allows it to get to Harvest without risking the OHKO. Exeggcute with Substitute abuses its infinite health with Toxic Spikes to great success (it's best to pair it with Diglett in order to beat out the fucker that is Croagunk). Likewise, Substitute lets it get a heavy hit on something that would try and break its sub, but would otherwise kill it (Taillow, Gastly, switch in from Mienfoo's U-Turn, Scraggy, Doduo, Shelmet, Larvesta, Darumaka, etc etc). It just provides a lot more utility. HP Fire isn't needed at all.

Ray Jay · Oct 8th, 2011, 7:26:57 PM

I think that Eggy is my top pick for right now, as I prefer balance teams, but a hyper offense team with Omanyte would also be fun. Which leads me to my question: is it possible to use Omanyte on a balanced team? I feel like we're limiting our options to hyper offense if we pick Omanyte but that could just be me.

Edit: What do you guys think of Larvitar with Ddance?

MetaGross66 · Oct 8th, 2011, 7:37:28 PM

One enormously underrated threat in the metagame I've used is Eviolite Shell Smash Shellder. It's a multipurpose pokemon that fills several roles and is just allround awesome. Eviolite lets it tank hits and strike back with icicle spear for breaking subs. When you're in the mood to sweep, don't fret about the lost defense. You basically have gained a free +2 in all relevant offensive stats because Eviolite "negates" the defense drops (you go back to your original defensive stats which are pretty good for handling priority, tbh). I've managed to sweep so many teams with it back in the Gligar metagame (he was my primary set up fodder...). I don't know how well it would do now, but it still seems like a very powerful underrated threat. Here's the set. I tried to make a team around this guy with cosmicexplorer, but forgot all about it....

Shellder (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Skill Link
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 196 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Ice Shard
- Shell Smash
Ice shard is mainly filler and to bypass croagunk's sucker punch. It can be replaced with a water attack for stab and the steels, though.

Dodobird133 · Oct 8th, 2011, 10:49:00 PM

I use that Shellder set, it's pretty awesome. Even if you don't have a chance to set up a shell smash, you'd still be surprised how much damage this guy can dish out.

Princess of Johto · Oct 9th, 2011, 12:41:03 AM

Horsea (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]

I've never tested this set myself, but I think it would be interesting to use a Rain Sweeper instead of using Drilbur. I'm not really sure how easily Horsea can set up RD on its own, but I think it can find many opportunities to set up thanks to her great defensive typing and decent Physical bulk (Its SpD is very lacking, though...). Hydro Pump just murders under rain and a boost from LO, or at least I imagine it does since I've never tested this set. Ice Beam and HP Grass give great coverage along side Hydro Pump. The only problems I see with this set is the setting up of RD, and Horsea's inability to KO Pokemon who resist Hydro Pump. Especially since Eviolite was introduced in this Gen.

But I think it would be fun to try a rain team in LC :D

Ninjacalibur · Oct 9th, 2011, 6:39:48 PM

I'm supporting blarajan's Exeggcute too. With infinite Subs and Toxic Spikes support, it can destroy almost anything slower than it that's not immune to poison.

Darkamber8828 · Oct 11th, 2011, 7:20:14 PM

god fucking damn blarajan, that exeggcute

what has science done

We could just throw that and Omanyte on a team and call it a day.

**blarajan** · Oct 11th, 2011, 9:57:41 PM

All credit to the Exeggcute goes to whoever wrote the analysis.

Though it's a fucking monster. Why doesn't anyone use it...TOXIC SPIKES + EXEGGCUTE + OMANYTE TEAM GOOGOO.

Moo · Oct 12th, 2011, 4:49:39 PM

Yeah, let's get it exeggute!

UltiMario · Oct 12th, 2011, 9:14:14 PM

I'd be cool with that Exeggcute

Charmander · Oct 12th, 2011, 9:21:02 PM

Why would you use Toxic Spikes and Sleep Powder at the same time? You lose to Steel-types either way. Just use Spikes or Stealth Rock instead.

Trust me, I've tested Toxic Spikes and it doesn't work as well as you think. The Pokemon that Exeggcute normally beats are the only ones getting hit by Toxic Spikes, and Toxic Spikes isn't helping against what normally beats Exeggcute. It also means stuff can switch in easier, as they don't have to fear Sleep Powder.

SAY NO TO TOXIC SPIKES

source: I wrote the set

**blarajan** · Oct 12th, 2011, 9:55:51 PM

Toxic Spikes aren't a necessity, as it's fucking effective regardless. I probably just was luckier in my use of Toxic Spikes, because I didn't test it extensively.

Damaging hazards alone is also excellent.

Ray Jay · Oct 13th, 2011, 1:26:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Charmander

Why would you use Toxic Spikes and Sleep Powder at the same time? You lose to Steel-types either way. Just use Spikes or Stealth Rock instead.

Trust me, I've tested Toxic Spikes and it doesn't work as well as you think. The Pokemon that Exeggcute normally beats are the only ones getting hit by Toxic Spikes, and Toxic Spikes isn't helping against what normally beats Exeggcute. It also means stuff can switch in easier, as they don't have to fear Sleep Powder.

SAY NO TO TOXIC SPIKES

source: I wrote the set

You can't deny that Substitute and Toxic Spikes allow Eggy to keep a Substitute up while faster opponents die though (assuming they take damage from tspikes). Simply sub every turn yeah it works ok

Crux · Oct 13th, 2011, 3:46:56 AM

So it seems that discussion as to what we want to base our first fifth generation CCAT around has just about died out. So it is time to decide who made the best suggestion, and the best set for our team. Here are your options!

Offensive Dratini
Shedrest Dratini
SD Teddiursa
Scarf Growlithe
Scarf Machop
Belly Drum Zigzagoon
Harvest Exeggcute
Scarf Mienfoo
Agility Chinchou
Shell Smash Omanyte
Swords Dance Drillbur
Shell Smash Dwebble
Scarf Scraggy
Cottonee
Shell Smash Shellder
Rain Dance Horsea

In order to vote you must post the name of the set you are voting for in bold like this or it will not be counted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Example

Shell Smash Omanyte

I would really appreciate it if you guys posted reasoning behind your votes, as it helps to make the process more worthwhile and better in the longterm.

With all that being said, this poll will be closed in around a week, so the 20th of October or around there.

Let's start voting!

Heysup · Oct 13th, 2011, 4:16:04 AM

Offensive Dratini

D4RR3N · Oct 13th, 2011, 4:53:36 AM

Swords Dance Drillbur

Diana · Oct 13th, 2011, 6:28:08 AM

Shell Smash Omanyte

Tomahawk9 · Oct 13th, 2011, 6:38:36 AM

Belly Drum Zigzagoon

or sd teddiursa but its slow and frail and stuff

**blarajan** · Oct 13th, 2011, 8:26:30 AM

Harvest Exeggcute (Leaf Storm/Psychic/Sleep Powder/Substitute)

It can be splashed onto a lot of teams and can fit a lot of different styles, allowing an effective set for any team type that we decide.

dragonboy52 · Oct 13th, 2011, 8:28:06 AM

Shell Smash Shellder

**Furai** · Oct 13th, 2011, 8:47:08 AM

SD Teddiursa

Good_Luck! · Oct 13th, 2011, 10:26:47 AM

Offensive Dratini

AlphaJolt · Oct 13th, 2011, 10:33:09 AM

Offensive Dratini

Chieliee · Oct 13th, 2011, 12:27:58 PM

Cottonee

because a friend of mine used it thrice to completely screw my team over

Oct 8th, 2011, 4:06:34 PM	#26
Drifloon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 199	I'm voting for Eggy simply because it's ridiculously good and underated. __________________ Record: (15:58:44) * Your rank in Standard LC is 1/1631 [1328 points / 79 battles]! RhyssaFireheart:**Deoxys isn't the best lead because very lead 2HKO it

Oct 8th, 2011, 7:13:03 PM	#27
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,730 Mentor	If we use Exeggcute, we have to use mine (sorry Raseri). Substitute allows it to get to Harvest without risking the OHKO. Exeggcute with Substitute abuses its infinite health with Toxic Spikes to great success (it's best to pair it with Diglett in order to beat out the fucker that is Croagunk). Likewise, Substitute lets it get a heavy hit on something that would try and break its sub, but would otherwise kill it (Taillow, Gastly, switch in from Mienfoo's U-Turn, Scraggy, Doduo, Shelmet, Larvesta, Darumaka, etc etc). It just provides a lot more utility. HP Fire isn't needed at all. __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Oct 8th, 2011, 7:26:57 PM	#28
Ray Jay Clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,507	I think that Eggy is my top pick for right now, as I prefer balance teams, but a hyper offense team with Omanyte would also be fun. Which leads me to my question: is it possible to use Omanyte on a balanced team? I feel like we're limiting our options to hyper offense if we pick Omanyte but that could just be me. Edit: What do you guys think of Larvitar with Ddance? __________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. Katakiri: How did you even get into this university?

Oct 8th, 2011, 10:49:00 PM	#30
Dodobird133 Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6 PA	I use that Shellder set, it's pretty awesome. Even if you don't have a chance to set up a shell smash, you'd still be surprised how much damage this guy can dish out. __________________ White FC: 2322 7323 4509 Shanai: Congratulate our winner! Dodobird133

Oct 9th, 2011, 12:41:03 AM	#31
Princess of Johto Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,630 Ohio	Horsea (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Swift Swim EVs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 76 SpD / 196 Spe Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk) - Rain Dance - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Hidden Power [Grass] I've never tested this set myself, but I think it would be interesting to use a Rain Sweeper instead of using Drilbur. I'm not really sure how easily Horsea can set up RD on its own, but I think it can find many opportunities to set up thanks to her great defensive typing and decent Physical bulk (Its SpD is very lacking, though...). Hydro Pump just murders under rain and a boost from LO, or at least I imagine it does since I've never tested this set. Ice Beam and HP Grass give great coverage along side Hydro Pump. The only problems I see with this set is the setting up of RD, and Horsea's inability to KO Pokemon who resist Hydro Pump. Especially since Eviolite was introduced in this Gen. But I think it would be fun to try a rain team in LC :D __________________ » My Pokemon » BW Entralink PID+IV abuse guide » BW ID/SID+shiny starter abuse guide » HGSS Safari Zone abuse guide » Pokecheck Box

Oct 8th, 2011, 7:37:28 PM	#29
MetaGross66 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 547	One enormously underrated threat in the metagame I've used is Eviolite Shell Smash Shellder. It's a multipurpose pokemon that fills several roles and is just allround awesome. Eviolite lets it tank hits and strike back with icicle spear for breaking subs. When you're in the mood to sweep, don't fret about the lost defense. You basically have gained a free +2 in all relevant offensive stats because Eviolite "negates" the defense drops (you go back to your original defensive stats which are pretty good for handling priority, tbh). I've managed to sweep so many teams with it back in the Gligar metagame (he was my primary set up fodder...). I don't know how well it would do now, but it still seems like a very powerful underrated threat. Here's the set. I tried to make a team around this guy with cosmicexplorer, but forgot all about it.... Shellder (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Skill Link EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def / 196 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Icicle Spear - Rock Blast - Ice Shard - Shell Smash Ice shard is mainly filler and to bypass croagunk's sucker punch. It can be replaced with a water attack for stab and the steels, though.

Oct 9th, 2011, 6:39:48 PM	#32
Ninjacalibur Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 27 Brazil	I'm supporting blarajan's Exeggcute too. With infinite Subs and Toxic Spikes support, it can destroy almost anything slower than it that's not immune to poison.

Oct 11th, 2011, 7:20:14 PM	#33
Darkamber8828 Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,695 i taste good but NO NO DON'T	god fucking damn blarajan, that exeggcute what has science done We could just throw that and Omanyte on a team and call it a day. __________________ Darkamber8828: Taunt is pokemon-cussing, right? DarkSlay: Nah. I thought it was more of the tounge sticking out kind of thing that pisses off people. DarkSlay: Not Pokemon actually cussing out one another. DarkSlay: "AYE FUCK YOU SKARMORY" (23:31:48) +RankingBot: Your rank in Standard LC is 1/415!

Oct 11th, 2011, 9:57:41 PM	#34
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,730 Mentor	All credit to the Exeggcute goes to whoever wrote the analysis. Though it's a fucking monster. Why doesn't anyone use it...TOXIC SPIKES + EXEGGCUTE + OMANYTE TEAM GOOGOO. __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Oct 12th, 2011, 4:49:39 PM	#35
Moo Professor Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,447	Yeah, let's get it exeggute! __________________ GP / UU QC, VM for check VM for a UU rate

Oct 12th, 2011, 9:21:02 PM	#37
Charmander Mission Complete Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,690 Great Falls, VA Mentor	Why would you use Toxic Spikes and Sleep Powder at the same time? You lose to Steel-types either way. Just use Spikes or Stealth Rock instead. Trust me, I've tested Toxic Spikes and it doesn't work as well as you think. The Pokemon that Exeggcute normally beats are the only ones getting hit by Toxic Spikes, and Toxic Spikes isn't helping against what normally beats Exeggcute. It also means stuff can switch in easier, as they don't have to fear Sleep Powder. SAY NO TO TOXIC SPIKES source: I wrote the set __________________

Oct 12th, 2011, 9:55:51 PM	#38
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,730 Mentor	Toxic Spikes aren't a necessity, as it's fucking effective regardless. I probably just was luckier in my use of Toxic Spikes, because I didn't test it extensively. Damaging hazards alone is also excellent. __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Oct 13th, 2011, 4:16:04 AM	#41
Heysup GO JETS GO Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,090 CanaJew	Offensive Dratini __________________ f u, v

Oct 13th, 2011, 4:53:36 AM	#42
D4RR3N Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 735	Swords Dance Drillbur __________________ I'm back :)

Oct 13th, 2011, 6:28:08 AM	#43
Diana Fennekin the cutest Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,258	Shell Smash Omanyte __________________ C&C work: 34 done, 2 partly done, finished 4th gen moveset errors

Oct 13th, 2011, 6:38:36 AM	#44
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Belly Drum Zigzagoon or sd teddiursa but its slow and frail and stuff __________________ C&C Work \| Smog Work

Oct 13th, 2011, 8:26:30 AM	#45
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,730 Mentor	Harvest Exeggcute (Leaf Storm/Psychic/Sleep Powder/Substitute) It can be splashed onto a lot of teams and can fit a lot of different styles, allowing an effective set for any team type that we decide. __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Oct 13th, 2011, 8:28:06 AM	#46
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Shell Smash Shellder __________________

Oct 13th, 2011, 8:47:08 AM	#47
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,098	SD Teddiursa __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Oct 13th, 2011, 10:26:47 AM	#48
Good_Luck! Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 177 Mexico	Offensive Dratini

Oct 13th, 2011, 10:33:09 AM	#49
AlphaJolt Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,674 Minnesota	Offensive Dratini __________________ ASB Profile [19:35:22] <@Charmander> alphajolt just has the worst luck [19:35:22] <@Charmander> like [19:35:35] <@Charmander> his luck is worse than prem's lc abilities [03:49:23]<toshimelonhead> jolteon's shiny looks like gf pissed on the normal one

Oct 13th, 2011, 12:27:58 PM	#50
Chieliee Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,463	Cottonee because a friend of mine used it thrice to completely screw my team over __________________ nyuu~ This is the world we live in And these are the hands we're given Use them and lets start trying To make it a place worth living in.