(Gen 2) Best Lead Pokemon - Page 2

havoc · Dec 14th, 2011, 2:30:27 AM

the only real criteria to be a "good lead" to me in GSC is being able to force your opponent to switch out on turn #1 to show another card in his hand. there are plenty of options.

Sayonara · Jan 4th, 2012, 2:45:28 PM

Cloyster is a great 2nd gen lead, with the Spikes. Hazards are always great, competitively-speaking.

aredoban01 · Jan 5th, 2012, 1:09:12 AM

Wartotle, Charizard and Venosaur are terible lead. they are powerful.

monster · Jan 7th, 2012, 1:16:03 PM

I always lead with Suicune with Sleep Talk to lure in sleepers. I can also surprise Zapdos with Mirror Coat (sometimes I run Ice Beam, though).

zarator · Jan 7th, 2012, 1:29:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Haxtwo

it was one of the fastest yah its fragile i'm not saying it's perfect but back then it was better than 65% of the other choices , bach then rock slide was very handy especialy on some thing that was fast i'm sorry but to me the facts are right their areodactyl was a good pokemon and a good lead

What facts are you talking about? GSC Aerodactyl doesn't learn Rock Slide (Lance's one does, but then again he's the only owner of Barrier Dragonite, too in RBY).

Crystal_ · Jan 7th, 2012, 2:29:41 PM

The only Aerodactyl set worth using is the one Jorgen listed. But you aren't going to lead with that, much like you aren't going to lead with skarm.

Wartotle owns

waterwizard · Apr 5th, 2012, 6:07:48 PM

Umbreon is pretty good. Forces the foe to switch. Free turn!

d.hgss · Apr 7th, 2012, 9:19:15 AM

zapdos, raikou, cloyster and exeggutor work well... Just take jorgen's advice

I'd like to mention one poke which i think can do a great lead and nobody mentioned: Jynx. It's a faster sleeper than exeggutor and nidoking (and more accurate than gengar) and can make trouble to one of the most common leads, zapdos

Jorgen · Apr 7th, 2012, 10:29:27 AM

Jynx is really frail though. It can cause Zapdos problems, but Zapdos itself outspeeds, does a shit-ton of damage with Thunder, and can paralyze with it, too. Plus, Zapdos can always RestTalk off an Ice Beam, whereas Jynx is stuck with that Thunder. I'd honestly switch Jynx out of that lead matchup most of the time. Jynx I see as better for keeping Zapdos from switching in so that you get a better sleep, not for going toe-to-toe with Zapdos in an equal-turn head-to-head.

Jynx is probably best used as a lead, though, because otherwise, how often is it going to have a chance to be active? I'd just keep in mind that a Jynx lead is mostly good for forcing Zapdos to either Thunder or switch (that's all it has leeway to do), and not necessarily for auto-forcing Zapdos to switch out. Regardless, Jynx is a pretty gimmicky option, and considering how little it adds to team defensive synergy, there's usually better options out there.

Borat · Apr 9th, 2012, 11:44:33 PM

Well assuming for whatever reason I'm using Jynx in the first place, I find that IB worth trading in almost all cases. It puts jynx in an awkward position yes, but it puts Zapdos in a even worse condition (imo). Not to mention, Thunder touting zapdos always has a chance to miss. If I were Zapdos in that condition, I'd be switching, there's no way I'm trading a 70% accuracy move for 70% of my life without knowing anything about his team at all, potentially losing then and there to Vap or Egg or something? Zapdos is probably playing a bigger role than Jynx is on all accounts.

The Messiah · Apr 16th, 2012, 1:38:39 PM

theres never been a "best" lead theres always been like 4 or 5 which do their job the best.
in gen4 it was, well i think it was:
metagross
roserade
infernape
azelf.

so i guess its the same in GSC.

Clefairy{m} · Apr 24th, 2012, 1:21:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jorgen

Charizard is ass as a lead. Part of using him well is surprise, being able to whittle down the foe's Cune or explode Cloy on their Starmie without them being wise to how much they'll need those guys later.

Pokemon was soo good before team pre view <3

Matrulez25 · May 5th, 2012, 1:05:03 PM

yeah i would say a sleeper such as Exeggcutor or a Foretress :( - both pokemon i dont like :O

ScoobyDoom · May 6th, 2012, 1:48:54 PM

One of my personal favorite pokemon leads would be either forretress or gengar. Forretress because it can set up hazards and spin them away. Gengar because its so Diverse and has a wide movepool

Arkaious · May 6th, 2012, 6:00:09 PM

in my opinion, Typhlosion would've had some potential as a lead, but I say this mostly cause it's my fav pokemon with Tyranitar

LPFan · May 6th, 2012, 6:02:41 PM

I like Aerodactlyl although it's frail.

Dec 14th, 2011, 2:30:27 AM	#26
havoc pottlepalooza Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,454 Louisiana	the only real criteria to be a "good lead" to me in GSC is being able to force your opponent to switch out on turn #1 to show another card in his hand. there are plenty of options. __________________ stuff I listen to play some GSC. :)

Jan 5th, 2012, 1:09:12 AM	#28
aredoban01 Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1 Philippines	Wartotle, Charizard and Venosaur are terible lead. they are powerful. __________________ what is the best fertilizer

Jan 7th, 2012, 1:16:03 PM	#29
monster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 85 Virginia	I always lead with Suicune with Sleep Talk to lure in sleepers. I can also surprise Zapdos with Mirror Coat (sometimes I run Ice Beam, though). __________________ White FC: 0605 3536 3776

Jan 7th, 2012, 2:29:41 PM	#31
Crystal_ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 833 Spain	The only Aerodactyl set worth using is the one Jorgen listed. But you aren't going to lead with that, much like you aren't going to lead with skarm. Wartotle owns __________________ Updated RBY analyses: ~~ Alakazam / Chansey / Dragonite / Exeggutor / Slowbro / Snorlax / Starmie / Tauros ~~ Articles: ~~ The RBY UU Metagame // Sleep and Leads in RBY ~~ Warstory: ~~ RBY Little Cup ~~ ****** RBY 251 ** The RBY Metagame with all GSC Pokemon allowed!

Apr 5th, 2012, 6:07:48 PM	#32
waterwizard Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 139 Alabama/Florida	Umbreon is pretty good. Forces the foe to switch. Free turn! __________________ No Wrappers!

Jan 4th, 2012, 2:45:28 PM	#27
Sayonara into the new world Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 725	Cloyster is a great 2nd gen lead, with the Spikes. Hazards are always great, competitively-speaking.

Apr 7th, 2012, 9:19:15 AM	#33
d.hgss Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 47 Uruguay	zapdos, raikou, cloyster and exeggutor work well... Just take jorgen's advice I'd like to mention one poke which i think can do a great lead and nobody mentioned: Jynx. It's a faster sleeper than exeggutor and nidoking (and more accurate than gengar) and can make trouble to one of the most common leads, zapdos __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/Dhgss

Apr 7th, 2012, 10:29:27 AM	#34
Jorgen World's Strongest Fairy Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 749	Jynx is really frail though. It can cause Zapdos problems, but Zapdos itself outspeeds, does a shit-ton of damage with Thunder, and can paralyze with it, too. Plus, Zapdos can always RestTalk off an Ice Beam, whereas Jynx is stuck with that Thunder. I'd honestly switch Jynx out of that lead matchup most of the time. Jynx I see as better for keeping Zapdos from switching in so that you get a better sleep, not for going toe-to-toe with Zapdos in an equal-turn head-to-head. Jynx is probably best used as a lead, though, because otherwise, how often is it going to have a chance to be active? I'd just keep in mind that a Jynx lead is mostly good for forcing Zapdos to either Thunder or switch (that's all it has leeway to do), and not necessarily for auto-forcing Zapdos to switch out. Regardless, Jynx is a pretty gimmicky option, and considering how little it adds to team defensive synergy, there's usually better options out there.

Apr 9th, 2012, 11:44:33 PM	#35
Borat Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 725	Well assuming for whatever reason I'm using Jynx in the first place, I find that IB worth trading in almost all cases. It puts jynx in an awkward position yes, but it puts Zapdos in a even worse condition (imo). Not to mention, Thunder touting zapdos always has a chance to miss. If I were Zapdos in that condition, I'd be switching, there's no way I'm trading a 70% accuracy move for 70% of my life without knowing anything about his team at all, potentially losing then and there to Vap or Egg or something? Zapdos is probably playing a bigger role than Jynx is on all accounts.

Apr 16th, 2012, 1:38:39 PM	#36
The Messiah Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 30	theres never been a "best" lead theres always been like 4 or 5 which do their job the best. in gen4 it was, well i think it was: metagross roserade infernape azelf. so i guess its the same in GSC.

May 5th, 2012, 1:05:03 PM	#38
Matrulez25 Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 36	yeah i would say a sleeper such as Exeggcutor or a Foretress :( - both pokemon i dont like :O

May 6th, 2012, 1:48:54 PM	#39
ScoobyDoom Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 27 noneya	One of my personal favorite pokemon leads would be either forretress or gengar. Forretress because it can set up hazards and spin them away. Gengar because its so Diverse and has a wide movepool

May 6th, 2012, 6:00:09 PM	#40
Arkaious Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 33	in my opinion, Typhlosion would've had some potential as a lead, but I say this mostly cause it's my fav pokemon with Tyranitar

May 6th, 2012, 6:02:41 PM	#41
LPFan Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 317 Austin, TX	I like Aerodactlyl although it's frail. __________________ 09:Juniors Dallas DQed 10:Juniors Dallas 3rd, nats 4th, world 7th 11:Seniors Dallas 2nd round, LCQ 3rd round 12:Seniors Houston 1st place Nats:Top 32, bs hax lol Glad to do VGC team rates. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3467418