Whimsicott

Sprocket · Nov 1st, 2011, 9:22:43 PM

Whimsicott

Grass
Ability: Prankster / Infiltrator / Chlorophyll
HP: 60
Attack: 67
Defense: 85
Sp.Attack: 77
Sp.Defense: 75
Speed: 116

Cute little thing, isn't it?

Gen V Level-up Moves

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SubSeed

Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Timid
Ability: Prankster
36 Def / 252 SpD / 220 Spe
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Taunt / Encore
-Toxic / Protect

Whimsicott's standard set on GBU Doubles/Triples. Substitute + Leech Seed is extremely hard to get past without a strong STAB or Super-Effective attack.

Without the speed EVs given, you are always outsped by Timid Thundurus who can potentially get a Taunt in before your Substitute is up, and opposing Whimsicott who run max speed will out-do you anyway. If that isn't a concern, a much more bulky spread is 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SpD with a Bold nature, or alternatively 252 HP / 4 Defense / 252 SpD with a Calm nature is available.

Doubles / Triples Tailwind

Whimsicott @ Leftovers / Focus Sash / resist berry
Bold / Timid
Ability: Prankster
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
-Tailwind
-Encore
-Helping Hand
-Taunt / Stun Spore / Trick Room

Thanks to Prankster, Whimsicott is almost guaranteed to get Tailwind up. Whimsicott is also the fastest Encore user. Helping Hand is used to rediculously power up it's partner's attack. The final move is of course user preference; Taunt to shut down opposing setup Pokemon, Stun Spore to induce paralysis, and Trick Room to reverse the effects of Trick Room (which negates Tailwind).

Other Options:
Whimsicott has a plethora of utility options at it's disposal, making it slightly unpredictable for your opponent outside of just SubSeed. Should you feel the need to attack, your primary attacks should be Giga Drain or HP Fire, but if you want an attacking grass type, I recommend a different Pokemon. In a singles set it can run Cotton Guard to boost it's defenses to sky high levels, making it extremely hard to take down physically. In doubles and triples, Fake Tears is a great way for a special sweeper to net some very fast KOs.

Doubles / Triples Partners:
Since Whimsicott typically lacks offense at all, it needs partners that can attack, or help it stall. Any partner that has a strong Fire attack works great for taking down opposing grass types, and especially for taking down Ferrothorn is an asset. Whimsicott makes an excellent utility Pokemon in doubles and triples thanks to it's access to Tailwind, Encore, Helping Hand, and Worry Seed. Whimsicott works well on Rain teams, since under Rain it's weakness to Fire is negated.

Check/Counters:
Opposing Prankster users (namely Thundurus, Tornadus, and opposing Whimsicotts) can hit you with Taunt before your substitute is up, completely shutting you down; Tornadus can also hit hard with a SE Flying attack. Sets lacking Toxic are walled by grass types, and some grass are also poison types as well, rendering Toxic useless. Ferrothorn also stops you hard no matter what set you run.

WarioAkuma · Nov 2nd, 2011, 6:22:35 AM

Why are you maxing out speed when all your moves aren't damaging attacks (assuming you're running Prankster)?

Joel · Nov 2nd, 2011, 8:04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat WarioAkuma

Why are you maxing out speed when all your moves aren't damaging attacks (assuming you're running Prankster)?

Agreed. They should be 248 HP/248 Def/8 SpDef (imo). Moveset looks fine though.

Sprocket · Nov 2nd, 2011, 11:32:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Joel

Agreed. They should be 248 HP/248 Def/8 SpDef (imo). Moveset looks fine though.

The main reason is that without speed investment, you lose out to Thundurus and opposing Whimsicott who might run max speed. Then again you only need 220 speed to out-do the genie.

248/248/8 doesn't work with level 50 mechanics assuming IVs are all 31, plus it leaves some EVs unused, but 252/252/4 does.

~~Nickscor~~ · Nov 2nd, 2011, 3:22:07 PM

Fake Tears deserves a mention in OO, Priority SpD drop with a fast poke following up has netted in a lot of quick KOs back when I played a lot of Doubles.

ooh_shiny · Nov 2nd, 2011, 3:28:51 PM

Whimsicott cannot learn Sleep Powder, replace it with Stun Spore.

Sprocket · Nov 2nd, 2011, 3:30:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ooh_shiny

Whimsicott cannot learn Sleep Powder, replace it with Stun Spore.

Bah, good catch.

Joel · Nov 3rd, 2011, 8:30:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Sprocket

The main reason is that without speed investment, you lose out to Thundurus and opposing Whimsicott who might run max speed. Then again you only need 220 speed to out-do the genie.

248/248/8 doesn't work with level 50 mechanics assuming IVs are all 31, plus it leaves some EVs unused, but 252/252/4 does.

But at level 50, you only earn 1 stat point per every 8 EVs.

252 ÷ 8 = 31.5

248 ÷ 8 = 31

No matter where you put the EVs, aren't you wasting a stat point with a 252/252 spread?

Sprocket · Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:51:41 AM

Its only a waste if your IVs are even. If your IVs are odd, you are fine.

252/8 +31/2 = 31.5 + 15.5 = 47
252/8 + 30/2 = 31.5 + 15 = 46.5
248/8 + 30/2 = 31 + 15 = 46
And
248/8 + 31/2 = 31 + 15.5 = 46.5
244/8 + 31/2 = 30.5 + 15.5 = 46

**ΩDonut** · Nov 3rd, 2011, 4:43:49 PM

A good Whimsicott set really needs to be able to attack. Whimsicott might be able to get away with no attacks in Triples, but in Doubles, Whimsicott might as well be carrying a big sign that says "hey just focus fire my partner". A good opponent can usually maneuver around the one attacking Pokemon, and putting all those EVs in defenses doesn't matter when Whimsicott is the only Pokemon left and can't deal damage.

Whimsicott @Grass Gem
Timid
Ability: Prankster
6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
- Grass Knot / Giga Drain
- Encore / Tailwind
- Fake Tears / Tailwind
- Protect / Tailwind

Apologies for the slash-itis, but ideally it should be running an attack + any three supporting moves.

GrassWhistle should also be mentioned in other options, especially since VGC 2012 introduces many Gravity users that can up GrassWhistle's accuracy to ~95%.

Joel · Nov 5th, 2011, 10:20:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat OmegaDonut

A good Whimsicott set really needs to be able to attack. Whimsicott might be able to get away with no attacks in Triples, but in Doubles, Whimsicott might as well be carrying a big sign that says "hey just focus fire my partner". A good opponent can usually maneuver around the one attacking Pokemon, and putting all those EVs in defenses doesn't matter when Whimsicott is the only Pokemon left and can't deal damage.

Whimsicott @Grass Gem
Timid
Ability: Prankster
6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
- Grass Knot / Giga Drain
- Encore / Tailwind
- Fake Tears / Tailwind
- Protect / Tailwind

Apologies for the slash-itis, but ideally it should be running an attack + any three supporting moves.

GrassWhistle should also be mentioned in other options, especially since VGC 2012 introduces many Gravity users that can up GrassWhistle's accuracy to ~95%.

This is 1/3 of my lead core in my new Triples team. Jigglypuff sets up Gravity (plus Sing), Whimsicott has priority GrassWhistle, Lapras has Sing plus Hydo Pump/Thunder/Blizzard.

Whimsicott is great, and in Triples, on a Gravity team, even it's prevo, Cottonee deserves a small mention.

Nov 1st, 2011, 9:22:43 PM	#1
Sprocket Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,487 Phoenix, AZ	Whimsicott Whimsicott Grass Ability: Prankster / Infiltrator / Chlorophyll HP: 60 Attack: 67 Defense: 85 Sp.Attack: 77 Sp.Defense: 75 Speed: 116 Cute little thing, isn't it? Gen V Level-up Moves ... PHP Code: `Cottonee Start Absorb 4 Growth 8 Leech Seed 10 Stun Spore 13 Mega drain 17 Cotton Spore 19 Razor Leaf 22 PoisonPowder 26 Giga Drain 28 Charm 31 Helping Hand 35 Energy Ball 37 Cotton Guard 40 Sunny Day 44 Endeavor 46 SolarBeam Whimsicott Start Growth Start Leech Seed Start Mega Drain Start Cotton Spore 10 Gust 28 Tailwind 46 Hurricane` Gen V TM Moves ... PHP Code: `TM06 Toxic TM10 Hidden Power TM11 Sunny Day TM12 Taunt TM15 Hyper Beam TM16 Light Screen TM17 Protect TM20 Safeguard TM21 Frustration TM22 SolarBeam TM27 Return TM29 Psychic TM30 Shadow Ball TM32 Double Team TM42 Facade TM44 Rest TM45 Attract TM46 Thief TM48 Round TM53 Energy Ball TM56 Fling TM68 Giga Impact TM70 Flash TM85 Dream Eater TM86 Grass Knot TM87 Swagger TM90 Substitute TM92 Trick Room` Gen V Egg Moves ... PHP Code: `Beat Up Encore Fake Tears GrassWhistle Memento Natural Gift Tickle Switcheroo Worry Seed` SubSeed Whimsicott @ Leftovers Timid Ability: Prankster 36 Def / 252 SpD / 220 Spe -Substitute -Leech Seed -Taunt / Encore -Toxic / Protect Whimsicott's standard set on GBU Doubles/Triples. Substitute + Leech Seed is extremely hard to get past without a strong STAB or Super-Effective attack. Without the speed EVs given, you are always outsped by Timid Thundurus who can potentially get a Taunt in before your Substitute is up, and opposing Whimsicott who run max speed will out-do you anyway. If that isn't a concern, a much more bulky spread is 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SpD with a Bold nature, or alternatively 252 HP / 4 Defense / 252 SpD with a Calm nature is available. Doubles / Triples Tailwind Whimsicott @ Leftovers / Focus Sash / resist berry Bold / Timid Ability: Prankster 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD -Tailwind -Encore -Helping Hand -Taunt / Stun Spore / Trick Room Thanks to Prankster, Whimsicott is almost guaranteed to get Tailwind up. Whimsicott is also the fastest Encore user. Helping Hand is used to rediculously power up it's partner's attack. The final move is of course user preference; Taunt to shut down opposing setup Pokemon, Stun Spore to induce paralysis, and Trick Room to reverse the effects of Trick Room (which negates Tailwind). Other Options: Whimsicott has a plethora of utility options at it's disposal, making it slightly unpredictable for your opponent outside of just SubSeed. Should you feel the need to attack, your primary attacks should be Giga Drain or HP Fire, but if you want an attacking grass type, I recommend a different Pokemon. In a singles set it can run Cotton Guard to boost it's defenses to sky high levels, making it extremely hard to take down physically. In doubles and triples, Fake Tears is a great way for a special sweeper to net some very fast KOs. Doubles / Triples Partners: Since Whimsicott typically lacks offense at all, it needs partners that can attack, or help it stall. Any partner that has a strong Fire attack works great for taking down opposing grass types, and especially for taking down Ferrothorn is an asset. Whimsicott makes an excellent utility Pokemon in doubles and triples thanks to it's access to Tailwind, Encore, Helping Hand, and Worry Seed. Whimsicott works well on Rain teams, since under Rain it's weakness to Fire is negated. Check/Counters: Opposing Prankster users (namely Thundurus, Tornadus, and opposing Whimsicotts) can hit you with Taunt before your substitute is up, completely shutting you down; Tornadus can also hit hard with a SE Flying attack. Sets lacking Toxic are walled by grass types, and some grass are also poison types as well, rendering Toxic useless. Ferrothorn also stops you hard no matter what set you run. __________________ Black FC: 2537-3042-2350 VGC2012 Analysis: Slowbro (Uploaded) Last edited by Sprocket; Nov 2nd, 2011 at 3:29:55 PM.

Nov 2nd, 2011, 6:22:35 AM	#2
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Nov 2nd, 2011, 3:22:07 PM	#5
~~Nickscor~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 727 I did my best, I have no regrets!	Fake Tears deserves a mention in OO, Priority SpD drop with a fast poke following up has netted in a lot of quick KOs back when I played a lot of Doubles. Last edited by Nickscor; Nov 2nd, 2011 at 3:22:31 PM. Reason: Tears =/= Out

Nov 2nd, 2011, 3:28:51 PM	#6
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Nov 3rd, 2011, 11:51:41 AM	#9
Sprocket Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,487 Phoenix, AZ	Its only a waste if your IVs are even. If your IVs are odd, you are fine. 252/8 +31/2 = 31.5 + 15.5 = 47 252/8 + 30/2 = 31.5 + 15 = 46.5 248/8 + 30/2 = 31 + 15 = 46 And 248/8 + 31/2 = 31 + 15.5 = 46.5 244/8 + 31/2 = 30.5 + 15.5 = 46 __________________ Black FC: 2537-3042-2350 VGC2012 Analysis: Slowbro (Uploaded)

Nov 3rd, 2011, 4:43:49 PM	#10
ΩDonut sometimes experimentation begins with "let's multi battle strip pokémon" Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,691	A good Whimsicott set really needs to be able to attack. Whimsicott might be able to get away with no attacks in Triples, but in Doubles, Whimsicott might as well be carrying a big sign that says "hey just focus fire my partner". A good opponent can usually maneuver around the one attacking Pokemon, and putting all those EVs in defenses doesn't matter when Whimsicott is the only Pokemon left and can't deal damage. Whimsicott @Grass Gem Timid Ability: Prankster 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed - Grass Knot / Giga Drain - Encore / Tailwind - Fake Tears / Tailwind - Protect / Tailwind Apologies for the slash-itis, but ideally it should be running an attack + any three supporting moves. GrassWhistle should also be mentioned in other options, especially since VGC 2012 introduces many Gravity users that can up GrassWhistle's accuracy to ~95%.