CAP 2 - Part 2 - Typing Poll 3 - Page 3

PokeMasterLM · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:35:28 AM

Grass/Ghost

V0x · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:42:28 AM

Grass / Ghost

Quilph · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:44:23 AM

Grass/Ghost

MLX · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:47:50 AM

Grass / Ghost

MofoAmbulance · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:48:20 AM

Poison/Dragon

CTNC · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:51:29 AM

It's funny how it took 2 pools to get it down to the 2 types that were discussed first.

Poison/Dragon

MLaRF · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:51:46 AM

Grass/Ghost

hoblaph · Nov 19th, 2011, 8:55:35 AM

Poison / Dragon

Yarnus of Bethany · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:06:05 AM

Grass/Ghost

uvwxyz9 · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:07:30 AM

Poison/Dragon

I think it is a very interesting type combo and we don't have to make it over powered... just leave Draco meteor and Outrage out and give it meh stats without a good set up move, then it will have to chose between a powerful stab, set up, coverage, or support, and all are viable. Honestly I think that is exactly what this CAP is looking for, something that is unpredictable but not ridiculously strong.. I don't see the problem.

Honko · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:07:38 AM

Grass / Ghost

jessifer · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:15:12 AM

Poison/Dragon

Leethoof · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:20:32 AM

Grass / Ghost

A Dragon with unlimited movepool isn't going to teach us much about sketch, just teach us how good dragon is as an offensive typing. Which we already know.

umbriel · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:23:14 AM

Grass / Ghost

***jumpluff**** · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:27:55 AM

Poison / Dragon

fatty · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:27:58 AM

grass / ghost

Nastyjungle · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:30:40 AM

Poison / Dragon

Solstice · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:37:08 AM

Poison / Dragon

shinyskarmory · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:39:45 AM

Poison/Dragon

As much as I've been showing resistance to the idea of a Dragon type for this CAP, Grass/Ghost has too many problems:

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As you can see, Grass/Ghost has not 1, not two, but 6 weaknesses, and 3 to common attacking types. This is too many for CAP 2 to fill a bulky attacking role effectively.

But that's not all. Let's check out the STAB offensive coverage of Grass/Ghost:

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And Ghost:

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What should you take away from this? That Grass is a terrible offensive and defensive type, and that it being in the CAP does not help it at all.

Grass/Ghost have weak offensive moves to begin with; the only Ghost type move with greater than 85 power is Shadow Force, and that's a two turn move. Grass moves are more powerful, but come with terrible drawbacks: Frenzy Plant has a recoil turn, Solarbeam a charging turn outside of Sunny Day, Grass Knot requires a heavy target, Leaf Storm drops Special Attack, Power Whip has accuracy problems and low PP, and Petal Dance locks you into a move with terrible coverage for 2+ turns. Leaf Blade and Wood Hammer are both viable, but that's about it.

So, I encourage everyone to vote Poison/Dragon.There are in fact ways to compensate for the Dragon type (like bad Sp.A to discourage the use of Draco Meteor). We don't have to give it Outrage. We don't have to give it Fire Blast and Earthquake from TM.

Thank you for your time.

SoIheardyoulikeSENTRET · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:47:51 AM

Grass / Ghost

conway · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:55:32 AM

Poison / Dragon

Texas Cloverleaf · Nov 19th, 2011, 9:57:52 AM

Grass / Ghost

sax king · Nov 19th, 2011, 10:00:56 AM

Poison / Dragon

If we have Ghost, you can forget about physical offense.

MektarTheOverlord · Nov 19th, 2011, 10:02:23 AM

Grass / Ghost

Umm... This thing has access to V-Create and Shell Smash. You guys aren't seriously considering making this CAP a Dragon are you?

deimos · Nov 19th, 2011, 10:06:05 AM

Grass / Ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:51:46 AM	#57
MLaRF Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 239 Land of Unoriginality and Dual-Featured Lands	Grass/Ghost __________________ [S] Signature: Descend into shittiness! Need a profile pic? Why not a mass of tentacles? So I can add myself to my contacts, but I can't send myself a friend request.

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:55:35 AM	#58
hoblaph Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 215 Canada	Poison / Dragon __________________ ASB Profile \| "Nous faisons le mal, mais nous le faisons bien." "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:07:30 AM	#60
uvwxyz9 Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 35 VA Beach	Poison/Dragon I think it is a very interesting type combo and we don't have to make it over powered... just leave Draco meteor and Outrage out and give it meh stats without a good set up move, then it will have to chose between a powerful stab, set up, coverage, or support, and all are viable. Honestly I think that is exactly what this CAP is looking for, something that is unpredictable but not ridiculously strong.. I don't see the problem. __________________ Like a Bousss!

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:07:38 AM	#61
Honko pronounced "Honko" Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,022	Grass / Ghost __________________

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:15:12 AM	#62
jessifer Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 271 A magical place~	Poison/Dragon __________________ RMTs: Sun-OU RMT * Rain-Ubers RMT * Hazards-OU RMT Art Thread

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:35:28 AM	#51
PokeMasterLM Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 19 NY,Brooklyn	Grass/Ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:42:28 AM	#52
V0x I love mafe Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,374	Grass / Ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:44:23 AM	#53
Quilph Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 116	Grass/Ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:47:50 AM	#54
MLX Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 66 Valinor	Grass / Ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:48:20 AM	#55
MofoAmbulance Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 289	Poison/Dragon

Nov 19th, 2011, 8:51:29 AM	#56
CTNC Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 194	It's funny how it took 2 pools to get it down to the 2 types that were discussed first. Poison/Dragon

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:06:05 AM	#59
Yarnus of Bethany Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,824 In the world, but not of the world	Grass/Ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:20:32 AM	#63
Leethoof Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,938 Siberia	Grass / Ghost A Dragon with unlimited movepool isn't going to teach us much about sketch, just teach us how good dragon is as an offensive typing. Which we already know. __________________ Team Bastiodon My ASB Hipster Index is: 5.26 (Probably lower than yours!)

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:23:14 AM	#64
umbriel Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 218	Grass / Ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:27:55 AM	#65
*jumpluff just came to say hello Super Moderator** Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,377 Location: Australia Mentor	Poison / Dragon __________________

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:27:58 AM	#66
fatty Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 MICHIGAN	grass / ghost

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:30:40 AM	#67
Nastyjungle Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,833	Poison / Dragon

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:37:08 AM	#68
Solstice Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,221 In a cold pizza induced euphoria	Poison / Dragon

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:39:45 AM	#69
shinyskarmory Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,308 Want a sugar cube?	Poison/Dragon As much as I've been showing resistance to the idea of a Dragon type for this CAP, Grass/Ghost has too many problems: ... Weaknesses: 2x Dark (A crucial weakness, as it means that CAP 2 will be weak to Pursuit. Not good) 2x Fire (Another common attack type. Heatran will force CAP 2 to run a Fighting type move to beat it, which will make Skarmory able to completely wall it.) 2x Ice (Common attacking type. Ouch) 2x Flying 2x Ghost (Yeah, CAP 2 can beat itself. Yay.) 2x Poison (not really relevant, but worth noting) Neutral Bug (U-Turn) Dragon (Scarf Lati@s will eat this thing for breakfast) Steel Psychic Resistances Rock (resists SR) Ground (EQ) Water Electric Grass Immunities Normal Fighting (key switch in, although most Fighting types carry Payback) As you can see, Grass/Ghost has not 1, not two, but 6 weaknesses, and 3 to common attacking types. This is too many for CAP 2 to fill a bulky attacking role effectively. But that's not all. Let's check out the STAB offensive coverage of Grass/Ghost: ... Super Effective (grass) Water Ground Rock Neutral (Grass) Normal Psychic Fighting Electric Dark Ghost Not Very Effective(grass) Bug Fire Ice Dragon Steel Poison Flying Grass And Ghost: ... Super Effective (ghost) Ghost Psychic Neutral (ghost) Fire Water Grass Dragon Fighting Ice Rock Ground Poison Electric Flying Bug Not very effective (ghost) Steel Dark Immune (ghost) Normal What should you take away from this? That Grass is a terrible offensive and defensive type, and that it being in the CAP does not help it at all. Grass/Ghost have weak offensive moves to begin with; the only Ghost type move with greater than 85 power is Shadow Force, and that's a two turn move. Grass moves are more powerful, but come with terrible drawbacks: Frenzy Plant has a recoil turn, Solarbeam a charging turn outside of Sunny Day, Grass Knot requires a heavy target, Leaf Storm drops Special Attack, Power Whip has accuracy problems and low PP, and Petal Dance locks you into a move with terrible coverage for 2+ turns. Leaf Blade and Wood Hammer are both viable, but that's about it. So, I encourage everyone to vote Poison/Dragon.There are in fact ways to compensate for the Dragon type (like bad Sp.A to discourage the use of Draco Meteor). We don't have to give it Outrage. We don't have to give it Fire Blast and Earthquake from TM. Thank you for your time. __________________ Clothes make the man. Naked people have very little influence on society. Scramble Compendium-Beginner Mafia Game (if you're new, come join!) Last edited by reachzero; Nov 19th, 2011 at 10:16:29 AM. Reason: you only get to vote once, so you can only bold the same words once :P

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:47:51 AM	#70
SoIheardyoulikeSENTRET Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 283	Grass / Ghost __________________ We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love.

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:55:32 AM	#71
conway Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 109 Schiplaken, Belgium	Poison / Dragon

Nov 19th, 2011, 9:57:52 AM	#72
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,344 Ottawa	Grass / Ghost __________________ C&C/Smog work

Nov 19th, 2011, 10:00:56 AM	#73
sax king Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 767 I'm not sick, but I'm not well	Poison / Dragon If we have Ghost, you can forget about physical offense. __________________ The 90's were awesome

Nov 19th, 2011, 10:02:23 AM	#74
MektarTheOverlord Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 56 CAP	Grass / Ghost Umm... This thing has access to V-Create and Shell Smash. You guys aren't seriously considering making this CAP a Dragon are you? __________________ This is Mektar. It's a long story.

Nov 19th, 2011, 10:06:05 AM	#75
deimos Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 129 Finland	Grass / Ghost