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Tribute · Jul 22nd, 2012, 2:25:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Incon

Just thought id add that protect also messes this strategy up. When i used project against it, copycat failed which ended the chain of roars.

It should be noted that the pokemon with protect pretty much needs to be able to OHKO riolu afterwards or else it will just roar again and the chain continues until you get whirlwinded back into the protect-mon

A Fhaol Bhig · Jul 22nd, 2012, 2:52:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Raseri

extremespeed is definitely a hardstop to Riolu if an extremespeeder is able to get in. With its +2 priority it will force Riolu to Copycat that instead

What has Extremespeed in NU? As far as I know the only one is Dratini and Dragonair.

Amarillo · Jul 22nd, 2012, 3:37:26 AM

Linoone has Extremespeed.

Also, the regen core is a really aggrevating thorn for this strategy, because unless you set up fully and also set up Riolu (which is really hard if the opponent has half a brain) they recover health upon switching out. And Alomomola has Protect. Alomomola can't OHKO Riolu, but it can burn it or something.

kniteowl · Jul 22nd, 2012, 6:52:14 AM

^ Pikachu & Raichu also get extremespeed as a event move.

But sadly being an event move, you can't combine it with stuff like it's lightning rod ability, Nasty Plot, Volt tackle and many more things.

Ninja Dewott · Jul 22nd, 2012, 6:58:45 AM

Ok, so I have a quick question.

I've recently got back into NU after quite a few months away. Back when I used to play, one threat you always had to consider was Gorebyss. For that reason, I've always included a Scarf Rotom-S/F in my team to deal with it.

However, now, looking at the June 2012 Usage Stastics, it doesn't even make the Top 30 in either. That's reflected in what I've seen while laddering too.

So, I feel like I'm missing something, what happened? Was it the Ninjas? 0.o

Amarillo · Jul 22nd, 2012, 7:24:10 AM

Gorebyss is still a strong threat. Perhaps one factor is that a lot of teams recently try to hit as hard as possible, giving Gorebyss little window to set up. Scarf Electrics are still common (not as common as back then, but still) enough, and maybe people feel setting up Gorebyss is too hard and does not yield too much result. Also, you see a lot of priority everywhere. You'll see at least one in a good offensive team. If you want to guard yourself against that, you need White Herb. And those White Herb variants lack the sheer destructive power of Life Orb.

And Ludicolo dropping didn't help, either. Now it has to decide between getting walled by either Ludicolo or other Water-types (like Samurott, etc). And because NU is such a large tier with so many viable mons, once you drop off the limelight nobody seems to care because there's like 30 other sets you wanted to try.

Gorebyss is still strong as hell, though. I urge you to use it more and promote its usage!

ChaosNebula · Jul 29th, 2012, 12:02:43 PM

I'm a new NU player, and I want to know some really good cores in the NU metagame. I saw a question like this before, but I wanted more. I wish to build some teams, with some cores.

**FLCL** · Jul 29th, 2012, 12:12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ChaosNebula

I'm a new NU player, and I want to know some really good cores in the NU metagame. I saw a question like this before, but I wanted more. I wish to build some teams, with some cores.

Fire / Water / Grass cores are great to start with since they are decent defensively and tend to hit hard as well. Psychic / Dark / Fighting cores are generally offensive but are very effective since they beat each others' counters. Generally, any physical wall works pretty well with special walls in the tier, such as Probopass + Amoonguss or Lickilicky + Musharna. Some core work for certain players and fail for others; it's a matter of testing various Pokemon out and seeing what works for you.

Fun With Knives · Jul 29th, 2012, 8:03:37 PM

I've been running Golbat, Serperior, and Audino as a core. The three give each other pretty good coverage, and anything unresisted is usually sponged by Audino. While they aren't exactly 'counters' to speak, a great diversity in support movepools makes them very good for forcing switches and stopping almost any setup attempt.

Shinji Mimura · Jul 30th, 2012, 5:14:32 PM

If Crustle dropped, how popular do you think it would be?

**Raseri** · Jul 30th, 2012, 5:30:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Shinji Mimura

If Crustle dropped, how popular do you think it would be?

If Crustle did drop I think it would be pretty popular, since it has the combination of Stealth Rock and Spikes. Seeing as it also has the ability to turn into a sweeper at a moments notice with Shell Smash it would be a Pokemon that could threaten the meta in many ways. But Steath Rock + Spikes is a combination NU players have been longing for, which would make Crustle good

***Zebraiken**** · Jul 30th, 2012, 7:03:05 PM

Having a useful Spikes user not named Garbodor or Cacturne would be excellent. I'd use it on almost every offensive team I'd build.

Yonko7 · Jul 30th, 2012, 7:59:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Shinji Mimura

If Crustle dropped, how popular do you think it would be?

Spikes teams would be more easier to make, and be more bulky. Also, Bulky-waters would then increase to combat Crusty...and the chain-reaction begins :p

Alex_Arthur · Jul 30th, 2012, 8:25:47 PM

With Custpa Berry Released a turn 1 Crustle will nearly always get Stealth Rock + Spikes down unless you Taunt, Mold Breaker KO or multi-hit KO. Encoring Stealth Rock would work too I guess. Crustle will be insanely popular as it will be able to get hazards down far more reliably than Garbodor or Cacturne who often have to preform other roles like using Sucker Punch or Seed Bomb to KO/Weaken some threat.

Yonko7 · Jul 30th, 2012, 9:21:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Alex_Arthur

With Custpa Berry Released a turn 1 Crustle will nearly always get Stealth Rock + Spikes down unless you Taunt, Mold Breaker KO or multi-hit KO. Encoring Stealth Rock would work too I guess. Crustle will be insanely popular as it will be able to get hazards down far more reliably than Garbodor or Cacturne who often have to preform other roles like using Sucker Punch or Seed Bomb to KO/Weaken some threat.

I don't think it would be Custap Berry, because it raises evasiveness? Berries

CrashinBoomBang · Jul 30th, 2012, 9:33:19 PM

Serebii is wrong. Custap Berry lets you move first within your speed bracket (so you won't go before priority moves, but before something with higher speed) when your health reaches 25% or below. This applies to your next move only, though.

BlueEew · Jul 31st, 2012, 6:25:00 AM

Shuckle with Power Split; would it be more effective if I had 0 IVs in ATK and SP.ATK or should I max them?

ChaoticaMortis · Jul 31st, 2012, 7:41:52 AM

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Description

Changes the Attack and Special Attack stats of both the user and the target to the average of their individual stats. The effect on each lasts until they faint or switch out.

Competitive Use

Power Split could be used to set up a mixed attacker without using a nature that lowers Defense, Special Defense, or Speed, or to lower the power of a target with very unbalanced attacking stats. The setup turn kills this move's viability almost entirely, though. It's also incredibly situational...

I think you might be mistaking Power Split for Power Trick. Power Trick will switch Shuckle's Defense stat with its Attack stat. I assume this because Power Trick Shuckle has been one of the more popular gimmick sets ever created, and I'm also not understanding the point of Power Split Shuckle. If you meant Power Trick, then you'd want to be running maximum Defense, as it will eventually be your Attack stat.

Shuckle is gimmicky as hell though, and you'd be better off using Pokemon that can actually do something.

melvni · Jul 31st, 2012, 5:43:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat BlueEew

Shuckle with Power Split; would it be more effective if I had 0 IVs in ATK and SP.ATK or should I max them?

I suppose it somewhat depends on whether you want to use Power Split mainly to hurt your opponent or to actually make an attempt at doing damage, but I would argue using 0 IVs is probably the more effective strategy. That's because, even with max investment, Shuckle would need to use the move on something with max investment base 164.5 in an attacking stat in order to reach 300 atk. Plus, if you went that route, you'd compromise Shuckle's defenses, the entire reason for using it. On the other hand, if you go the 0 IVs route, you can have 22/25 offenses, meaning you'll drop anything with less than base 121 in an offensive stat under 200 after Power Split.

Either way is gimmicky though, but I suppose Shuckle's designed to function as a gimmick.

The Bringer! · Aug 12th, 2012, 5:09:01 PM

Looking at Dunsparce, it seems like that with zero speed investment it is still outsped by a lot of things even when they are paralyzed. What's the deal with that?

Yonko7 · Aug 12th, 2012, 5:43:22 PM

When paralyzed, many Pokemon are as slow as a slug, because paralysis cuts the speed stat in half- I think. So Dunsparce should be able to outspeed and flinch with headbutt or rock slide.

Edit: I think I might've read that wrong, but even if some Pokemon are paralyzed, if their speed stat is really high, ie: ninjask, electrode, then they'll outspend anyway.

Omicron · Aug 12th, 2012, 5:54:33 PM

Paralysis actually reduces a Pokemon's speed by 75%, so unless you have 20 Base Speed or less, chances are you are going to outspeed the paralyzed opponent.

Annoyer · Aug 12th, 2012, 5:56:21 PM

Paralysis causes a pokemon's Speed to be reduced to 25%. Since uninvested Dunsparce reaches a Speed of 126, any pokemon that has a Speed higher than 404 will outspeed Dunsparce such as base 90 and above scarfers.

The Bringer! · Aug 12th, 2012, 6:02:09 PM

Well, there was my problem! Like Yonko, I thought it was cut in half. Now, reduced to 25%... That definitely works! Thanks for clearing that up y'all.

JoshuaMunoz · Aug 13th, 2012, 7:16:21 AM

Are there any good, FAST, special attackers in the tier? All the ones I find that are worth noting are Kadabra and Haunter, both of which are extremely frail.

Jul 22nd, 2012, 3:37:26 AM	#153
Amarillo yellow! Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 713	Linoone has Extremespeed. Also, the regen core is a really aggrevating thorn for this strategy, because unless you set up fully and also set up Riolu (which is really hard if the opponent has half a brain) they recover health upon switching out. And Alomomola has Protect. Alomomola can't OHKO Riolu, but it can burn it or something. __________________ ~~

Jul 22nd, 2012, 6:58:45 AM	#155
Ninja Dewott Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 72	Ok, so I have a quick question. I've recently got back into NU after quite a few months away. Back when I used to play, one threat you always had to consider was Gorebyss. For that reason, I've always included a Scarf Rotom-S/F in my team to deal with it. However, now, looking at the June 2012 Usage Stastics, it doesn't even make the Top 30 in either. That's reflected in what I've seen while laddering too. So, I feel like I'm missing something, what happened? Was it the Ninjas? 0.o __________________ Ladder Peaks: RU: #54 \| NU: #15 Ninjas With Guitars? I always use one as my team's Stealth Rocker. Ice Cold Fire

Jul 22nd, 2012, 7:24:10 AM	#156
Amarillo yellow! Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 713	Gorebyss is still a strong threat. Perhaps one factor is that a lot of teams recently try to hit as hard as possible, giving Gorebyss little window to set up. Scarf Electrics are still common (not as common as back then, but still) enough, and maybe people feel setting up Gorebyss is too hard and does not yield too much result. Also, you see a lot of priority everywhere. You'll see at least one in a good offensive team. If you want to guard yourself against that, you need White Herb. And those White Herb variants lack the sheer destructive power of Life Orb. And Ludicolo dropping didn't help, either. Now it has to decide between getting walled by either Ludicolo or other Water-types (like Samurott, etc). And because NU is such a large tier with so many viable mons, once you drop off the limelight nobody seems to care because there's like 30 other sets you wanted to try. Gorebyss is still strong as hell, though. I urge you to use it more and promote its usage! __________________ ~~

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kniteowl Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 322	^ Pikachu & Raichu also get extremespeed as a event move. But sadly being an event move, you can't combine it with stuff like it's lightning rod ability, Nasty Plot, Volt tackle and many more things.

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Fun With Knives Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 68	I've been running Golbat, Serperior, and Audino as a core. The three give each other pretty good coverage, and anything unresisted is usually sponged by Audino. While they aren't exactly 'counters' to speak, a great diversity in support movepools makes them very good for forcing switches and stopping almost any setup attempt.

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Shinji Mimura Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 49 San Antonio, TX	If Crustle dropped, how popular do you think it would be?

Jul 30th, 2012, 7:03:05 PM	#162
*Zebraiken to stay alive you've got to kill your mind Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,183 shine ∞ Mentor	Having a useful Spikes user not named Garbodor or Cacturne would be excellent. I'd use it on almost every offensive team I'd build.

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Alex_Arthur Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 50	With Custpa Berry Released a turn 1 Crustle will nearly always get Stealth Rock + Spikes down unless you Taunt, Mold Breaker KO or multi-hit KO. Encoring Stealth Rock would work too I guess. Crustle will be insanely popular as it will be able to get hazards down far more reliably than Garbodor or Cacturne who often have to preform other roles like using Sucker Punch or Seed Bomb to KO/Weaken some threat.

Jul 30th, 2012, 9:33:19 PM	#166
CrashinBoomBang You only stack once. Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 707	Serebii is wrong. Custap Berry lets you move first within your speed bracket (so you won't go before priority moves, but before something with higher speed) when your health reaches 25% or below. This applies to your next move only, though.

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Yonko7 You don’t have to forgive me. No matter what you decide from now on, I will love you forever. Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 584 Mentor	When paralyzed, many Pokemon are as slow as a slug, because paralysis cuts the speed stat in half- I think. So Dunsparce should be able to outspeed and flinch with headbutt or rock slide. Edit: I think I might've read that wrong, but even if some Pokemon are paralyzed, if their speed stat is really high, ie: ninjask, electrode, then they'll outspend anyway. __________________ ✓\| Back in Action \|VM for a GP Stamp \| VM for a RU rate\|

Aug 12th, 2012, 5:54:33 PM	#172
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Paralysis actually reduces a Pokemon's speed by 75%, so unless you have 20 Base Speed or less, chances are you are going to outspeed the paralyzed opponent. __________________

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Aug 13th, 2012, 7:16:21 AM	#175
JoshuaMunoz Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 264	Are there any good, FAST, special attackers in the tier? All the ones I find that are worth noting are Kadabra and Haunter, both of which are extremely frail.