Shiftry (QC 3/3)

dragonboy52 · Dec 17th, 2011, 7:53:43 AM

[Overview]
-Very good late came sweeper
-Good speed and offensive stats
-Nice ability
-Looks cool!!

[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Seed Bomb
move 3: Sucker Punch
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Shiftry, at first, may seem outclassed by Absol, but if one looks closely, they will see that Shiftry has better bulk, better typing, and a better movepool.
-Amazing late game sweeper
-Set up a Swords Dance, and tun through the rest of the team with other moves.
-Seed Bomb is a powerful STAB
-Sucker Punch is a powerful STAB that can hit faster stuff
-Nature Power (EQ) for type coverage.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

-Life Orb gives the power boost
-Adamant for more power
-Stantard EV spread
-Either ability is cool
-Teammates: Bulky waters like Lanturn and Alomomola.

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Dark Pulse
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
-I'll add later

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
-Works well in sun
-Teammates: Pokemon that set up sunny day

[Other Options]
-Night Slash
-Low Kick
-Sunny Day
-Substitute
-Growth!
-Energy Ball / Grass Knot

[Checks and Counters]
-Bulky Fighting-types like Throw
-Priority
-Scarfed Pokemon
-Cacturne

Ice-eyes · Dec 17th, 2011, 8:12:03 AM

I have to ask what Jolly is outspeeding here.

dragonboy52 · Dec 17th, 2011, 8:16:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Ice-eyes

I have to ask what Jolly is outspeeding here.

Jolly Absol, Adamant Braviary, Jolly Kingler, Adamant/Modest Drifloon are some.

Ice-eyes · Dec 17th, 2011, 8:23:49 AM

Jolly Absol is non-existent, you want to Sucker Punch Braviary anyway, Kingler is nearly exclusively Adamant and Drifblim is rare and the only move that hits it is Sucker Punch.

dragonboy52 · Dec 17th, 2011, 8:41:56 AM

Alright, changed to Adamant.

Endorfins · Dec 17th, 2011, 6:04:25 PM

Does anyone think a mixed Growth set is viable for its own set? In the sun it is by far the best set as it can bypass many walls, unfortunately when the sun runs out it can be revenge killed. Also, Shiftry could run a choice set maybe band or specs.

tennisace · Dec 23rd, 2011, 12:37:58 AM

All of those you listed happy enorphins are OO at best.

jrrrrrrr · Dec 23rd, 2011, 1:08:55 AM

This needs more mention of Sun abuse IMO. There are better Grass-types and better Dark-types in the tier, and a better Grass/Dark-type as well. But there aren't any Sun abusers better than Shiftry. I was expecting to see a dedicated Growth set and/or a dedicated Sunny Day set. Especially with Sunny Day/U-Turn Mesprit being so easy to pull off.

Omicron · Dec 23rd, 2011, 1:56:32 AM

I for one would definitely like to see a Growth set of some sort, doesn't have to be mixed, but w/e

***Zebraiken**** · Dec 23rd, 2011, 3:13:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat jrrrrrrr

This needs more mention of Sun abuse IMO. There are better Grass-types and better Dark-types in the tier, and a better Grass/Dark-type as well. But there aren't any Sun abusers better than Shiftry. I was expecting to see a dedicated Growth set and/or a dedicated Sunny Day set. Especially with Sunny Day/U-Turn Mesprit being so easy to pull off.

I agree. Shiftry can go mixed really well especially in sun, when you consider that you don't need too much investment to outrun scarf Rotom-S in sun. I don't really have specifics, but Shiftry definitely needs some kind of sun abuse set.

Ice-eyes · Dec 23rd, 2011, 6:04:22 AM

What exactly do you gain from going mixed, though?

Swords Dance definitely isn't outclassed by Cacturne because of the better Speed and access to Earthquake.

dragonboy52 · Dec 28th, 2011, 8:08:45 AM

So, should I add a Growth set?

Ice-eyes · Dec 28th, 2011, 10:10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat dragonboy52

So, should I add a Growth set?

Obviously the only reason to run Growth would be if you're going mixed - is there a valid reason to do so?

col49 · Dec 28th, 2011, 11:06:31 AM

Maybe a mention of Hp Ground on the NP set? Losing a speed IV kinda sucks, and the loss in coverage is pretty much negligible.

tennisace · Dec 28th, 2011, 1:49:20 PM

Agreeing with Ice-Eyes, you should be focusing on one or the other FOR NOW. If, when the metagame changes, Sun teams become popular, I would agree Growth would be good because then you can abuse a set of Growth/Solar Beam/Sucker Punch/Earthquake to wreck things that want to abuse Sun. As it stands, I think Growth is OO.

Edit: If you prove its a good set eventually, you can always write it up as a separate set analysis and it can be added that way.

Omicron · Dec 28th, 2011, 1:52:26 PM

Ok I see the light growth is fine in OO for now

QC APPROVED (2/3)

***Zebraiken**** · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:57:06 PM

ye, lets see how good sun is post-shifts

QC APPROVED 3/3

Dec 17th, 2011, 7:53:43 AM	#1
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Shiftry (QC 3/3) [Overview] -Very good late came sweeper -Good speed and offensive stats -Nice ability -Looks cool!! [SET] name: Swords Dance move 1: Swords Dance move 2: Seed Bomb move 3: Sucker Punch move 4: Nature Power item: Life Orb nature: Adamant evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] <p>Shiftry, at first, may seem outclassed by Absol, but if one looks closely, they will see that Shiftry has better bulk, better typing, and a better movepool. -Amazing late game sweeper -Set up a Swords Dance, and tun through the rest of the team with other moves. -Seed Bomb is a powerful STAB -Sucker Punch is a powerful STAB that can hit faster stuff -Nature Power (EQ) for type coverage. [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -Life Orb gives the power boost -Adamant for more power -Stantard EV spread -Either ability is cool -Teammates: Bulky waters like Lanturn and Alomomola. [SET] name: Nasty Plot move 1: Nasty Plot move 2: Giga Drain move 3: Dark Pulse move 4: Hidden Power Fire item: Life Orb ability: Chlorophyll nature: Timid evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] -I'll add later [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -Works well in sun -Teammates: Pokemon that set up sunny day [Other Options] -Night Slash -Low Kick -Sunny Day -Substitute -Growth! -Energy Ball / Grass Knot [Checks and Counters] -Bulky Fighting-types like Throw -Priority -Scarfed Pokemon -Cacturne __________________ Last edited by dragonboy52; Jan 14th, 2012 at 10:13:13 AM.

Dec 17th, 2011, 8:41:56 AM	#5
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Alright, changed to Adamant. __________________

Dec 17th, 2011, 6:04:25 PM	#6
Endorfins Your Worst Nightmare Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 546 Australia	Does anyone think a mixed Growth set is viable for its own set? In the sun it is by far the best set as it can bypass many walls, unfortunately when the sun runs out it can be revenge killed. Also, Shiftry could run a choice set maybe band or specs. __________________ RU Sun Article\|NU Sun Article GeekyLatios: Does Golem even get EQ?

Dec 23rd, 2011, 12:37:58 AM	#7
tennisace RIDE OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,236	All of those you listed happy enorphins are OO at best. __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Dec 23rd, 2011, 1:08:55 AM	#8
jrrrrrrr wubwubwub Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,118 wubwubwub	This needs more mention of Sun abuse IMO. There are better Grass-types and better Dark-types in the tier, and a better Grass/Dark-type as well. But there aren't any Sun abusers better than Shiftry. I was expecting to see a dedicated Growth set and/or a dedicated Sunny Day set. Especially with Sunny Day/U-Turn Mesprit being so easy to pull off. __________________ NIGMAN: JRRRR IS A SHIT NIGMAN: HO ESLE THINK IT??

Dec 17th, 2011, 8:12:03 AM	#2
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	I have to ask what Jolly is outspeeding here.

Dec 17th, 2011, 8:23:49 AM	#4
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	Jolly Absol is non-existent, you want to Sucker Punch Braviary anyway, Kingler is nearly exclusively Adamant and Drifblim is rare and the only move that hits it is Sucker Punch.

Dec 23rd, 2011, 1:56:32 AM	#9
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	I for one would definitely like to see a Growth set of some sort, doesn't have to be mixed, but w/e __________________

Dec 23rd, 2011, 6:04:22 AM	#11
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	What exactly do you gain from going mixed, though? Swords Dance definitely isn't outclassed by Cacturne because of the better Speed and access to Earthquake.

Dec 28th, 2011, 8:08:45 AM	#12
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	So, should I add a Growth set? __________________

Dec 28th, 2011, 11:06:31 AM	#14
col49 the Jack Black Pokemon Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 758 planet fickle	Maybe a mention of Hp Ground on the NP set? Losing a speed IV kinda sucks, and the loss in coverage is pretty much negligible. __________________ Tehy: like i get the feeling you're pro or something Tehy: but Tehy: on this ladder Tehy: it's so fucking hard to tell

Dec 28th, 2011, 1:49:20 PM	#15
tennisace RIDE OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,236	Agreeing with Ice-Eyes, you should be focusing on one or the other FOR NOW. If, when the metagame changes, Sun teams become popular, I would agree Growth would be good because then you can abuse a set of Growth/Solar Beam/Sucker Punch/Earthquake to wreck things that want to abuse Sun. As it stands, I think Growth is OO. Edit: If you prove its a good set eventually, you can always write it up as a separate set analysis and it can be added that way. __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Dec 28th, 2011, 1:52:26 PM	#16
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Ok I see the light growth is fine in OO for now QC APPROVED (2/3) __________________

Dec 28th, 2011, 3:57:06 PM	#17
*Zebraiken tell me when the storm rolls in Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,176 shine ∞ Mentor	ye, lets see how good sun is post-shifts QC APPROVED 3/3 __________________