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Zephyr · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:16:29 PM

You know the drill. Got a quick specific question? Drop it here.

EDIT: someone editted and made this sound gay, it wasn't me

**Raseri** · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:25:59 PM

How will tiering be done in DW? Will we be following the OU system or a different one?

Matthew · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:34:49 PM

We will be using a council method to determine what is banned and what isn't. I will listen to everyone in the forum that speaks, however. So far the council is zephyr and I, but I'm looking to add more within the next up coming week

King Serperior · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:36:16 PM

I am a big Sun player in OU and I have been doing well. I have been wanting to test this tier for a while, so here are my questions:

How good is sun in the DW tier? What are the main mons that I should prepare my team for?

Also, is TR any good here too?

Steamroll · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:38:00 PM

Consider a rotating council, not as often as NU and RU have them but like every other round shake up the council a bit. Blend of Dictator blend of Democracy, catch my drift?

tomtom5858 · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:49:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat King Serperior

I am a big Sun player in OU and I have been doing well. I have been wanting to test this tier for a while, so here are my questions:

How good is sun in the DW tier? What are the main mons that I should prepare my team for? Depends. You're beaten by two big threats of DW OU, Excadrill and Keldeo (!) if you play it wrong, but you can also threatn Sand Stream and Drizzle teams with your Chlorophyll sweepers.

Also, is TR any good here too? In this hyper-offense dominated metagame, yeah, I think it would be decent (never played TR in DWOU)

King Serperior · Jan 23rd, 2012, 11:51:45 PM

^thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

(I just have to get better at predicting >_<)

HardCore · Jan 24th, 2012, 6:25:57 PM

Am I just facing random opponents or is this meta-game not really consistent? It's good to battle different things every time you play, but I'd still like to know if there is some type of medium.

KnightoftheWind · Jan 24th, 2012, 6:33:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat HardCore

Am I just facing random opponents or is this meta-game not really consistent? It's good to battle different things every time you play, but I'd still like to know if there is some type of medium.

Everyone is probably just experimenting with all the different viable options available in DW OU. This is something that should be expected from a metagame with a boatload of new and interesting sets to use. It might settle down in the future, but for now, the metagame is simply inconsistant.

MegaKick · Jan 25th, 2012, 7:11:37 PM

does ditto transform before or after hazards? i.e., if ditto comes in on moltres with spikes and rocks up, would ditto take normal rock and spike damage or 50% from rocks/no spikes damage?

***Birkal**** · Jan 25th, 2012, 7:13:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat MegaKick

does ditto transform before or after hazards? i.e., if ditto comes in on moltres with spikes and rocks up, would ditto take normal rock and spike damage or 50% from rocks/no spikes damage?

Birkal strikes in the DQDA thread ;)

Ditto transforms after hazards damage takes place. As a general rule of thumb, all abilities take place after hazards do their duty. This is evidenced by testing Trace Porygon2 and Intimidate Pokemon in the Research Thread. Best of luck!

Jukain · Jan 29th, 2012, 4:26:27 PM

Hi, I was wondering about Dream World UU being a possibility?

AOPSUser · Jan 29th, 2012, 4:28:20 PM

No

youngster789 · Feb 2nd, 2012, 8:16:26 PM

if you breed a male vulpix with dream world vulpix female will the hatched pokemon have drought

vileguy · Feb 2nd, 2012, 10:58:43 PM

Sorry if this has been answered before. I'm very busy, and my searching hasn't found me the answer yet.

Exeggcute learns harvest and giga drain from the dream world, and can learn giga drain from breeding in G5. Is it possible to get both on the same exeggcute legally? Also, how would I do this?

Will a dreamworld exeggcute always or something have both?

Can I breed giga drain into a male exeggcute, then catch a dream exeggcute with harvest, then breed them to get one with both?

Thanks for any help regarding this very specific question.

AOPSUser · Feb 2nd, 2012, 11:47:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat vileguy

Sorry if this has been answered before. I'm very busy, and my searching hasn't found me the answer yet.

Exeggcute learns harvest and giga drain from the dream world, and can learn giga drain from breeding in G5. Is it possible to get both on the same exeggcute legally? Also, how would I do this?

Will a dreamworld exeggcute always or something have both?

Can I breed giga drain into a male exeggcute, then catch a dream exeggcute with harvest, then breed them to get one with both?

Thanks for any help regarding this very specific question.

Yes, you may use Egg Moves on Pokemon with Dream World abilities. This is becuase Dream World abilities can be passed on from mother to offspring, and Egg Moves are passed from father to offspring.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat youngster789

if you breed a male vulpix with dream world vulpix female will the hatched pokemon have drought

There's only a 60% chance, but that's a good chance.

blutrainer · Feb 6th, 2012, 4:10:47 PM

how come excadrill isnt banned from dream world OU but it is from standard OU?

DDRMaster · Feb 6th, 2012, 4:38:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat blutrainer

how come excadrill isnt banned from dream world OU but it is from standard OU?

All of the Pokemon that were originally allowed in OU at the start of BW besides Manaphy, Shaymin-S, and Darkrai were allowed in DW OU to test them with the new threats like Chandelure and Serperior.

Hawkstar · Feb 6th, 2012, 4:40:24 PM

Manaphy is still allowed. It's Deoxys-N and Deoxys-A, Darkrai, and Shaymin-S that stayed uber.

Matthew · Feb 6th, 2012, 5:27:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat blutrainer

how come excadrill isnt banned from dream world OU but it is from standard OU?

kd24 and I decided when we started giving the tier attention it'd be best to start off at a clean slate. some threats just aren't as bad as they used to be in dw

complete legitimacy · Feb 27th, 2012, 6:11:09 PM

Where can I find the Dream World analyses on-site? I tried looking under the metagames page and under the Pokemon that have them completed but I couldn't find them.

Hawkstar · Feb 27th, 2012, 6:19:20 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dw/

They're being kept separate so that newcomers don't confuse it for an officially supported metagame.

Fizz · Feb 28th, 2012, 10:50:27 AM

I have a few questions about this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Dream World np thread

Hello and welcome to Dream World OU - The image that BW OU is supposed to eventually look like. As both tiers evolve, the idea is that they will ultimately result into one tier, which will from then on be our official Generation 5 OU tier in its completed form.

Now, from what I understand it has always been known that Black and White would not receive the dream world abilities of 5th Gen Pokémon. Something about overworld sprites if I'm not mistaken. But my question is this:

In light of the recent announcement of Black and White 2, due in June, which at the very least will bring two new additions to the metagame, but likely will bring many more, has it not become clear that the Standard OU tier will never become the Dream World tier as it is now? Do people truly believe that all unreleased Dream World abilities will be released within the next few months? That somehow the berries and other items we currently lack access to will suddenly appear within our games? Or is the idea that the games will not change significantly enough to merit the dissolution of the current Dream World tier?

At the very least, the claim that Standard OU will eventually become Dream World OU has become almost certainly false. Just wondering what Smogon's philosophy is on this.

**Tobes** · Feb 28th, 2012, 1:52:06 PM

Dream World is not dissolving anytime soon. As for the "future", no, we can't guarantee that by the end of Generation V OU will be exactly like current Dream World. That would be foolish to assume. But when we say future, we are looking far longer ahead than the sequel games that have been announced. We're talking about an OU that won't come about for years.

Basically Dream World is "everything we know exists but has not been released yet".

As for your worries about the overworld sprites: That only implies that those Pokemon are unobtainable in Dream World itself. It does not rule out the existence of those Pokemon with their Dream World abilities; see Darmanitan and Musharna, both of whom acquire their hidden ability in-game.

Pippy · Mar 12th, 2012, 8:21:54 AM

Two questions: does Sheer Force boost moves with high crit ratios (like Stone Edge)? Also, does it boost and remove the effects of moves with negative effects? (like Hammer Arm)?

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King Serperior Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,827 I am an "Andalite Bandit." Shiver in fear while you can, Yeerks. We're coming for you!	^thanks, I'll keep that in mind. (I just have to get better at predicting >_<) __________________ CAP ASB Team Read the Animorphs here. Seriously, click the link if you're a fan or are interested!! Notice: will be inactive for a day or two. Shouldn't be more than 2 days.. Sorry, please forgive me.

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vileguy Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1	Sorry if this has been answered before. I'm very busy, and my searching hasn't found me the answer yet. Exeggcute learns harvest and giga drain from the dream world, and can learn giga drain from breeding in G5. Is it possible to get both on the same exeggcute legally? Also, how would I do this? Will a dreamworld exeggcute always or something have both? Can I breed giga drain into a male exeggcute, then catch a dream exeggcute with harvest, then breed them to get one with both? Thanks for any help regarding this very specific question.

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