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Mar 1st, 2012, 2:21:28 PM
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Dream World February 2012 Stats
Big thanks to Antar!
Dream World OU Rated
Dream World OU "1337"
Dream World OU Leads
Now that we've had a whole month of Dream World being recognized, we finally have accurate stats!. To be frank I'm shocked at the diversity these stats display, with only one Pokemon having over 15% usage (Chandelure, and only barely!). The three primary weather inducers are also fairly close together in terms of usage, which is quite interesting. There are still some discrepancies, however (Chardizard used more than Blaziken? Really? Really?), so this month let's try to get some more people to play this metagame seriously!
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I'm a little startled by Blaziken's position. Even in OU 1337 statistics, Air Balloon will help avoid some of off those powerful Ground ground attacks.
Mamoswine, Garchomp and Excadrill are a few examples although our Sand Veil menace must be Choice-locked in to Earthquake for the Air Balloon to successfully effective. "Swagonite" is up and down between both usage statistics, yet it is definitely one of the best in Standard OU for good reason which does mean it is contention with Garchomp for the "Dragon" of the metagame. Keldeo is useful for dealing with Tyranitar + Excadrill, Genosect, all the whilst outspeeding Garchomp which helps deal with sand-theme teams. Politoed managing to maintain top 10 in both proves its devastating Hydro Pump and team support is competitive, but not as appealing without Swift Swim users. I also had trouble finding Thundurus on those lists; this thing needs more playtime. I guess I could say the same thing for Deoxys-S, but it may not spring to one person's mind to make abuse "dual-screening". |
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Mar 1st, 2012, 4:34:36 PM
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I'm also really surprised to see Thundurus so low. You'd think that with the allowing of it into the tier, it's access to priority Nasty Plot, Thunder Wave, Taunt, etc would make it more popular...
Deoxys-S should also get a little more love; Hyper Offensive teams just love the hazards that are set up by it, and it is guaranteed 2 layers with a Focus Sash, as long as the opponent doesn't have Tyranitar or Abomasnow (lol). Another Pokemon that I've really enjoyed in DW is Raikou. Raikou can easily abuse its powerful STAB Thunder with Politoed's Drizzle support, and Volt Absorb gives it so many more setup opportunities. Thundurus can't do jack shit to it, especially if it already has a Calm Mind set up, not to mention it's now immune to Thundurus's priority Thunder Wave, and it also naturally outspeeds Thundurus. With regards to the weather setters, I find it interesting that the stats seem to say that the usage is relatively equal, as most of the sun/rain/sand abusers are also among the same usage. However, in battling on the ladder, I've noticed mostly rain and sand teams and not many sun teams, even though Ninetales is but one rank lower than Politoed in usage. You'd think that with Blaziken in the tier, sun would be more popular...
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Mar 1st, 2012, 4:42:34 PM
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Manaphy is disgustingly low in the Rated stats, and 21 still is kinda low in the 1337 stats. Kinda shows the quality of the DW ladder, lol. Chandelure at first shouldn't come as a surprise, but once this meta starts to mature a bit I guess people will realize that it isn't the best Pokemon in the meta, not by a long shot. Hail being so high in the 1337 statistics also comes as a pretty big surprise, considering its by FAR the weakest weather in the metagame, what with Keldeo, rain, and sun just absolutely ripping it a new one all day everyday. Regice with Ice Body does sound cool though xD. Genesect is getting the usage it deserves all around, so that's pretty good!
Also yeah Blaziken is pretty low right now, which is weird considering how it eats up most of the meta besides rain.
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Mar 1st, 2012, 4:46:38 PM
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I'm a bit surprised Manaphy is at 84 !_! You don't even have to run HydraRest--after a Tail Glow Tyranitar and Ninetales can't really do anything or tank Surf in their respective weather, and Jellicent among others is screwed by Grass Knot. Furthermore, flat base 100 stats means it isn't all that easy to take down (and you can troll revenge killers with Wacan Berry). Seriously, Surf, Ice Bean, and Grass Knot coverage is devastating.
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Mar 1st, 2012, 4:52:16 PM
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The surprising thing is that Venusaur is so low on the 1337 stats. There for sure needs to be more love for Venusaur.
I also feel like the Manaphy usage is justified in some way. Keldeo is basically Manaphy to an extreme. Higher Special Attack and Speed make it extremely deadly to face, even with one Calm Mind under its belt it's way more potent that Manaphy. The thing is Manaphy likes to run bulky sets, which aren't very effective in this fast paced metagame with Scarf Genesect and all that. |
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Mar 2nd, 2012, 6:23:57 PM
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Usage Changes for the Top 60 of each section.
Dream World OU Rated
Dream World OU "1337"
Dream World OU Leads
Rated Stats Changes Comments
1337 Stats Changes Comments
Lead Stats Changes Comments
As for my comments on the Pokemon in the stats, I think the people using Ninetales as a lead should read NixHex's analysis. Also, Thundurus and Manaphy aren't being used enough. Use them people! Who is using hail with Regice? Amoonguss? Also, Bronzong is getting a huge Excadrill rise, but Gliscor goes down? I don't understand. Anyways, cheers!
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Mar 2nd, 2012, 7:30:02 PM
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What does 1337 mean? Just curious, thanks. Hippo still needs more usage :(
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Mar 6th, 2012, 9:48:04 PM
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1 | Tyranitar | 1383 | 58.187% | 1263 | 66.062% | : I'm kind of surprised. Rain is definitely the best archetype because it has soo many abusers(Thundurus, Manaphy, Raikou, etc). Is this simply because Politoed is a mediocre Pokemon outside of Drizzle. Maybe. I think this is mostly due to Excadrill being number 2.
2 | Genesect | 1245 | 52.381% | 1176 | 61.512% | : No need to go into much detail on this guy. Genesect is just such an incredible Pokemon. Keldeo | 930 | 39.128% | 752 | 39.334% | : The scariest Pokemon in the metagame imo. What switches into this guy? Anything(I honestly don't know tell me). It's good outside of rain, it's amazing in rain, it's decent on sandstorm. This thing is just soo nasty. Not broken though! Blaziken | 336 | 14.136% | 281 | 14.698% | : Needs much more use. This thing rips through teams. It seems like people aren't running Air Ballon. Gliscor cant beat Blazikien if it's carrying Air Ballon. Once people start discovering BalloniKien, i think this mon will go significantly up in usage. 13 | Moltres | 328 | 13.800% | 279 | 14.593% | : Is this thing good? I saw it about twice and each time it didn't really do anything. Sure, burning my Tyranitar is cool and all but is it worth the massive amount of team support needed to put Moltres on your team?
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Mar 6th, 2012, 9:58:34 PM
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Just wanted to point out that our OU is more diverse than Standard OU. Not bad for allowing a bunch of "broken overcentralizing mons" in the tier eh?
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the stats indicate that whoever was using it was using it on a Hail team (and I say this because Regice and Abomasnow both had the exact same 1337 usage) so countering some of the above Pokemon make him worth his weight in gold and the 4x Rock weakness probably won't be much of a burden considering Hail teams generally have spin support anyway. anyway, it's probably worth using simply for the smug feeling you get when you switch into Scizor's U-turn, 4x resisting it, and burning him with Flame Body.
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Mar 6th, 2012, 11:35:03 PM
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never thought of moltres as checking all those threats....
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Mar 6th, 2012, 11:39:13 PM
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Expect to see a rise in Amoonguss usage for 1337 :D
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Mar 10th, 2012, 8:24:06 AM
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The differences between the normal and 1337 stats are appalling, as Tyranitar has nearly 60% usage in 1337 stats but no Pokemon has over 15% in regular. It shows that DW is pretty over-centralized with better players, though I agree that it actually is less over-centralized than OU, even with these stats.
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If anyone was wondering where Regice and Moltres are coming from, they all come from one team, that of Mewten.
| 10 | Ferrothorn | 478 | 20.111% | 356 | 18.621% | -7 | 12 | Tentacruel | 329 | 13.842% | 276 | 14.436% | +14 | 13 | Moltres | 328 | 13.800% | 279 | 14.593% | N/A | 14 | Regice | 328 | 13.800% | 223 | 11.664% | N/A | 15 | Abomasnow | 328 | 13.800% | 300 | 15.692% | +36 | 16 | Swampert | 325 | 13.674% | 295 | 15.430% | N/A This can't be a coincidence; Mewten is the ONLY person using Hail stall. You can't tell me you're surprised about figures like this: | 1 | Tyranitar | 1383 | 58.187% | 1263 | 66.062% | +5 | 2 | Genesect | 1245 | 52.381% | 1176 | 61.512% | -1 | 3 | Excadrill | 1161 | 48.847% | 719 | 37.608% | +5 | 4 | Keldeo | 930 | 39.128% | 752 | 39.334% | +5 | 5 | Chandelure | 916 | 38.539% | 782 | 40.903% | +6 | 6 | Garchomp | 763 | 32.102% | 553 | 28.925% | +6 | 7 | Breloom | 702 | 29.535% | 501 | 26.205% | +7 | 8 | Gliscor | 667 | 28.063% | 507 | 26.519% | +2 Yeah, the 1337 stats are pretty god awful. This is pretty ridiculous. But at least you see that there is a formula for success, and that formula can be broken. Do I hear "anti-meta game" anyone? Figure out how to counter a majority of these Pokemon and I guarantee things will get better. And pokemon0078, stop putting your opinions in hide tags.
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Sorry, that came out kinda (well, very) wrong. What I meant was that Genesect made it up there due to its ability to check the most common DW threats, and it's on more than half of the teams in DW OU as evidence.
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Yeah, the unusal pokes were due to mewten's stall team--actually quite effective.
In addition, genesect is one of the best anti-metagame pokes in general--rock polish sets can be used by non-sand teams to beat excadrill and plow through many sand teams, and scarfed u-turners are amazing in countering both sand and rain teams when combined with volt switchers, especially due to genesect's constant prediction threat of actually using an attacking move, which can KO many weather abusers. About bronzong vs. gliscor: while gliscor is a good counter for excadrill, it is hit neutrally by frustration and rock slide, allowing exca to KO it much more readily. Furthermore, bronzong also has a dragon resistance, so it can double as a dragonite/garchomp check if the fire weakness is covered. Surprised jellicent isn't used more--it is basically as perfect a keldeo counter as exists, and can actually check genesect too (+1 thunderbolt fails to 2HKO through lefties). |
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I use Jellicent to come in on Keldeo; if it uses Hydro Pump I'm free to Toxic / Recover. Believe it or not, HP Ghost 2HKOes after one Calm Mind, so you basically give Keldeo 2-3 turns of Toxic damage. Regarding Manaphy, of course it is low on the usage stats because it practically only functions in rain. Its ability to recover completely in one turn is wasted in any other conditions.
harsha, regarding Genesect, Choice Scarf is easily worked around, and a Genesect can't defeat all of those Pokemon without switching in over and over. Entry hazards wear it down quickly enough to allow for unboosted Excadrill or Scarf Landorus to KO with Earthquake.
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