Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th - Page 127

Lucario_Guy · Jun 19th, 2012, 6:20:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat rocky505

Hypnosis would like a word with you. Nothing would be wrecked. Which ever game is the host game they would use its type chart just like how hypnosis was used in battles between platinum and dp. We do not know if it's a typo or not yet.

Only Hypnosis's accuracy was changed (10 points, whoop-de-doo); its core mechanic (inducing sleep) wasn't. Therefore, not a big deal.

According to this guide, one of the core Pokémon game mechanics (type interaction) will change; such a change would intrinsically remove battling compatibility between BW1 and BW2. Type interaction is a heck of a lot more complex than accuracy, my friend.

Also, there's a 99.99% chance that the guide's type chart is erroneous. >.>

ElectivireRocks · Jun 19th, 2012, 6:51:23 PM

According to outside sources the games have been leaked.
If that's true we should be able to obtain the answers we're looking for in the next 24 hours.

breh · Jun 19th, 2012, 6:56:52 PM

Agreeing with Lucario Guy; the Hypnosis change was pretty simple and GF has tried to avoid changing things between games in general. They kept the goddamn acid rain glitch in the game, a glitch that is really not that hard to activate considering the popularity of Tyranitar. Likewise, they banned the use of Rotom, Shaymin, and Giratina formes over wifi to preserve compatibility. They're not going to change the type chart before starting a new gen.

@above: :OOOOOO

Dark Arceus · Jun 19th, 2012, 7:11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Lucario_Guy

Only Hypnosis's accuracy was changed (10 points, whoop-de-doo); its core mechanic (inducing sleep) wasn't. Therefore, not a big deal.

According to this guide, one of the core Pokémon game mechanics (type interaction) will change; such a change would intrinsically remove battling compatibility between BW1 and BW2. Type interaction is a heck of a lot more complex than accuracy, my friend.

Also, there's a 99.99% chance that the guide's type chart is erroneous. >.>

We already know it's compatible with other generations due to poketransfer, so unless they skip compatibility with bw for no reason it's more then likely an error.

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Originally Posted by Fat ElectivireRocks

According to outside sources the games have been leaked.
If that's true we should be able to obtain the answers we're looking for in the next 24 hours.

Calling bs on this without actual, reliable sources. To use a variation of a saying "Source or it isn't real". It may or may not be leaked but it's unlikely it will. It would probably take at least another day or two to be more realistic.

**R_N** · Jun 19th, 2012, 7:32:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ElectivireRocks

According to outside sources the games have been leaked.
If that's true we should be able to obtain the answers we're looking for in the next 24 hours.

Doubt it, fake leaks always crop up. I think this exact thing happened with HGSS, even

By the end of tomorrow, maybe. Now? Nah

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Originally Posted by Fat breh

Agreeing with Lucario Guy; the Hypnosis change was pretty simple and GF has tried to avoid changing things between games in general. They kept the goddamn acid rain glitch in the game, a glitch that is really not that hard to activate considering the popularity of Tyranitar. Likewise, they banned the use of Rotom, Shaymin, and Giratina formes over wifi to preserve compatibility. They're not going to change the type chart before starting a new gen.

@above: :OOOOOO

The baffling thing about banning the form(e)s?
So far as I know they still worked just fine. This went for both local link battles and cheating Skymin and friends into wi-fi battles.

Tytus · Jun 19th, 2012, 7:35:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ElectivireRocks

According to outside sources the games have been leaked.
If that's true we should be able to obtain the answers we're looking for in the next 24 hours.

What sources?

rocky505 · Jun 19th, 2012, 7:49:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ElectivireRocks

According to outside sources the games have been leaked.
If that's true we should be able to obtain the answers we're looking for in the next 24 hours.

What outside sources?

Lucario_Guy · Jun 19th, 2012, 7:52:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Dark Arceus

We already know it's compatible with other generations due to poketransfer, so unless they skip compatibility with bw for no reason it's more then likely an error.

Read more closely and you'll see that I said ~battling~ compatibility.

Also, concerning BW2 game leaks, gonna echo Dark Arceus and say, "Sources or it isn't real."

XienZo · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Lucario_Guy

Only Hypnosis's accuracy was changed (10 points, whoop-de-doo); its core mechanic (inducing sleep) wasn't. Therefore, not a big deal.

According to this guide, one of the core Pokémon game mechanics (type interaction) will change; such a change would intrinsically remove battling compatibility between BW1 and BW2. Type interaction is a heck of a lot more complex than accuracy, my friend.

Also, there's a 99.99% chance that the guide's type chart is erroneous. >.>

It changes a single 50% multiplier to a 100% one... (or technically, changes a single variable from not-effective to normally-effective)

It's still likely a typo, but the comparison to the Hypnosis change is entirely valid, since they still would have the exact same problem (what would've hit wouldn't have, what would've been KOed wouldn't have, threatening a de-sync in either case) that could be solved in the exact same way (host's cartridge sets the game mechanics).

**R_N** · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:15:12 PM

The one "source" I can find that is talking about is a gamefaqs topic which claims stuff is totally leaking for real but Nintendo is shutting it down faster than they've ever shut things down before.

Considering even if they were so quick to cover up leaks people would still see some of the information and post about it, I'm guessing no it has not leaked

Lucario_Guy · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:20:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat XienZo

It changes a single 50% multiplier to a 100% one... (or technically, changes a single variable from not-effective to normally-effective)

It's still likely a typo, but the comparison to the Hypnosis change is entirely valid, since they still would have the exact same problem (what would've hit wouldn't have, what would've been KOed wouldn't have, threatening a de-sync in either case) that could be solved in the exact same way (host's cartridge sets the game mechanics).

A change in type mechanics would happen to have a heck of a lot more of an effect on how a battle pans out than the difference between a 60% and 70% accurate Hypnosis would, dude. There's no debating that Ghost being no longer resistant to Bug would have a large impact on how we currently play the game.

Nevertheless, this specific discussion will be quite moot in a few days. I won't bother picking it up again.

The Cicada · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:27:09 PM

this is out on 23rd right?

**R_N** · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:29:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat The Cicada

this is out on 23rd right?

Haven't you asked about the release date like 3 times by this point

Yes, by the 23rd. It's not uncommon for it to leak via pre-order shipments arriving early, though.

Big Nutter · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:30:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat The Cicada

this is out on 23rd right?

The game is Officially is.. but there is a good chance that it will leak before that, given the last few games released.

The Cicada · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:43:13 PM

so I can emulate on 23. Cheers!

Saitsuofleaves · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:51:29 PM

Does it matter if said "leak" is real or not?

Either the info comes in a day, or it comes later. Worst case scenario is, it comes out on time with no leaks, and we find out in a couple.

So much impatience.

The Diverman · Jun 19th, 2012, 8:56:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat The Cicada

so I can emulate on 23. Cheers!

Probably not due to piracy locks, it would actually depend on how severe they are. I due hope you'll buy the game for real though.

But yeah the leaks should be soon, possibly tomorrow.

The Cicada · Jun 19th, 2012, 9:19:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat The Diverman

Probably not due to piracy locks, it would actually depend on how severe they are. I due hope you'll buy the game for real though.

But yeah the leaks should be soon, possibly tomorrow.

I would buy it if I could, but simply can not.

**Mario With Lasers** · Jun 19th, 2012, 9:36:28 PM

Guys. If you hack a Shaymin-S in DP and go to battle against a Platinum, DP will show the pokémon as a Grass Shaymin, but it will take SE damage from Rock, with the message and everything, even if the DP cartridge says in the in-battle summary that the pokémon is a pure-Grass called Shaymin.

There was also a glitch in Japanese DP (which was carried on from ADV lol) that made a Choice pokémon not get itself locked in Pursuit if the first move it used upon getting on the field was Pursuit on a fleeing pokémon. They fixed that in US DP, and guess what would happen in a JP DP vs. US DP? There would be no glitch, for neither side.

Just like in the above scenarios, if they change Bug to be neutral against Ghost, BW2 will override BW's mechanics in a link battle and both sides will have their Sableyes getting SE damage from U-Turn. Simple.

Of course, not that I believe there will even be battle compatibility with BW. You know. Two years later.

**R_N** · Jun 19th, 2012, 9:48:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Of course, not that I believe there will even be battle compatibility with BW. You know. Two years later.

Funny, considering there's trading compatibility with BW. You know, two years later.

**Mario With Lasers** · Jun 19th, 2012, 9:53:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat R_N

Funny, considering there's trading compatibility with BW. You know, two years later.

...Isn't it PokéTransfer-only? I could swear it was.

Missingno. Master · Jun 19th, 2012, 9:57:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat R_N

Funny, considering there's trading compatibility with BW. You know, two years later.

Probably done via some sort of time capsule deal, like G/S/C with R/B/Y.

rocky505 · Jun 19th, 2012, 10:00:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

...Isn't it PokéTransfer-only? I could swear it was.

Nope they said we could trade with bw as soon as we get the c gear.

Death Phenomeno · Jun 19th, 2012, 10:15:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ElectivireRocks

According to outside sources the games have been leaked.
If that's true we should be able to obtain the answers we're looking for in the next 24 hours.

And after that Nintendo is probably going to shut down all sites with any info like last time, no?

Let's hope nobody gets any cease & desist letters this time…

**R_N** · Jun 19th, 2012, 10:28:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Death Phenomeno

And after that Nintendo is probably going to shut down all sites with any info like last time, no?

Let's hope nobody gets any cease & desist letters this time…

The weird thing was that they didn't shut down all the sites. Just some of them.

Jun 19th, 2012, 6:56:52 PM	#3153
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,935	Agreeing with Lucario Guy; the Hypnosis change was pretty simple and GF has tried to avoid changing things between games in general. They kept the goddamn acid rain glitch in the game, a glitch that is really not that hard to activate considering the popularity of Tyranitar. Likewise, they banned the use of Rotom, Shaymin, and Giratina formes over wifi to preserve compatibility. They're not going to change the type chart before starting a new gen. @above: :OOOOOO __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Jun 19th, 2012, 8:51:29 PM	#3166
Saitsuofleaves Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 146	Does it matter if said "leak" is real or not? Either the info comes in a day, or it comes later. Worst case scenario is, it comes out on time with no leaks, and we find out in a couple. So much impatience. __________________ On 5/26, something that defined a generation shall make its long awaited return. Toonami has come back, prepare yourselves one and all. Bang.

Jun 19th, 2012, 6:51:23 PM	#3152
ElectivireRocks Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 265	According to outside sources the games have been leaked. If that's true we should be able to obtain the answers we're looking for in the next 24 hours.

Jun 19th, 2012, 8:15:12 PM	#3160
R_N Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,296	The one "source" I can find that is talking about is a gamefaqs topic which claims stuff is totally leaking for real but Nintendo is shutting it down faster than they've ever shut things down before. Considering even if they were so quick to cover up leaks people would still see some of the information and post about it, I'm guessing no it has not leaked

Jun 19th, 2012, 8:27:09 PM	#3162
The Cicada Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 939 Madrigal	this is out on 23rd right?

Jun 19th, 2012, 8:43:13 PM	#3165
The Cicada Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 939 Madrigal	so I can emulate on 23. Cheers!