Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th

[Dark Arceus]

Originally Posted by Fat The QWAZ

Soo from what i can see the bad guys in this game are the gestapo, who froze over half of a continent? I still cant see why the entire of eastern unova is gone, the game was short enough already. Also on PO do we get to use the changes before the games even get release outside of japan?

Again, Unova is not frozen over. It's mearly covering of the map. Most likely it's to hide some of those map changes many people have already noted. I would give a small chance to something actually happening relating to Unova freezing over. More than likely they're taking the Ice from Kyurem, as the main focus of the game (just in different, still ice, forms) and using that to cover the changes.

Originally Posted by Fat pokemon0078

Focus Blast does do quite a bit more, but Flamethrower/Fire Blast is much more reliable than Focus Blast.

Isn't the ice fake? And yes, on PO we get the changes right away when the games come out in Japan.

Yes the ice is fake. See response to comment quoted above yours.

I won't deny the accuracy issue. But currently I was just talking about power. Because this could technically turn into a power vs. accuracy. Really it would be up to the player if they wanted to play the gamble for the potential pay off.

[mew420]

Originally Posted by Fat Wishy

How is freezing the world a compromise? Do you even know what either of their goals were? One team wanted to expand the oceans, and the other team wanted to expand the land. I don't see how icing everything furthers either of their goals whatsoever.

well ice is a little bit like land, and a little bit like water.

lol. and i was taking the piss, btw.

[Aleva]

Forget Focus Blast, Kyurem's getting Earthquake as a TM. HEATRAN AND TYRANITAR SOLVED

[TheWalrus9]

Originally Posted by Fat Aleva

Forget Focus Blast, Kyurem's getting Earthquake as a TM. HEATRAN AND TYRANITAR SOLVED

That will certainly help, but he still requires rapid spin support. He might be able to move into a hard hitting bulky role with better coverage, but he's still not going to dominate with his middling speed and lack of +2 or better boosting move. Scarf might become popular for a scary late game cleaner-upper or revenge killer.

[bubbly]

Eh I don't see many reasons to use it over MoxieMence with Scarf. Sub + 3 attacks is its best set now and it looks like, if it gets Flamethrower and EQ, that will still be the case. Flamethrower / EQ / Dragon Pulse would hurt like heck, even though you'd need to lower its Defense stat.

[Gothic Togekiss]

Kyurem getting Earthquake would be great, even more if Zekrom and Reshiram get it as well. Seriously, give the heavy as hell dragons EQ already. I'm honestly more worried about Black Kyurem's movepool over White Kyurem's since Kyurem as a whole has a shitty Physical movepool. No physical ground and/or fighting coverage move, viable physical Ice move, no nothing. At least White Kyurem/Old Kyurem can manage with just fine with the moves it got already.

[Mario With Lasers]

Originally Posted by Fat Dark Arceus

Flash Fire makes this kind of pointless.

Edit: Just read Turboblaze in the quote. But if that's not ability the calcs pointless anyway. And I assume Focus Blast does a noticeable amount more?

But that was the point, giving up on Focus Blast for Tyranitar and Heatran and going with Flamethrower instead to have a more reliable move against Steelmons !__!

[SJCrew]

You see, you don't have to give up Focus Blast for those two, since they're extremely common and will make Kyurem's life hell without the necessary coverage. A set of Dragon Pulse/Focus Blast/Sub or whatever covers everything relevant save for Chansey and Blissey.

But now he is outclassed by Hydreigon. ;_;

The only way I can see this getting better is if the moves of Zekrom and Reshiram are reverse transferable to Kyurem. So then we'd be dealing with Bolt Strike/Blue Flare Kyurem instead of 'pussy Scarf Kyurem that only appears on Hail teams'.

[EndQuote]

Semi-new video, in case anybody is interested.
They seem pretty legit, but I may not be the best judge.

[bluemon]

did they just get their starters from NOWHERE?

[zero2exe]

Originally Posted by Fat EndQuote

Semi-new video, in case anybody is interested.
They seem pretty legit, but I may not be the best judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3lhZ...eature=related

An extended one of the same, looks legit though :3

@Bluemon
Well it could be if what they were playing was a demo .-.

[Stellar]

Yeah, those videos were posted a few days ago on filb.de and in this thread after they aired on Pokemon Smash. They are official videos.

[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat bluemon

did they just get their starters from NOWHERE?

It's almost as if they edited the footage

[Tortferngatr]

Originally Posted by Fat SJCrew

You see, you don't have to give up Focus Blast for those two, since they're extremely common and will make Kyurem's life hell without the necessary coverage. A set of Dragon Pulse/Focus Blast/Sub or whatever covers everything relevant save for Chansey and Blissey.

But now he is outclassed by Hydreigon. ;_;

The only way I can see this getting better is if the moves of Zekrom and Reshiram are reverse transferable to Kyurem. So then we'd be dealing with Bolt Strike/Blue Flare Kyurem instead of 'pussy Scarf Kyurem that only appears on Hail teams'.

Wasn't it posted a while ago that Kyurem's White forme got at least some sort of boost to its special attack? If it got 150 special attack, that puts it well into its own category.

[Katakiri]

Originally Posted by Fat bubbly

Eh I don't see many reasons to use it over MoxieMence with Scarf. Sub + 3 attacks is its best set now and it looks like, if it gets Flamethrower and EQ, that will still be the case. Flamethrower / EQ / Dragon Pulse would hurt like heck, even though you'd need to lower its Defense stat.

From the calcs I did earlier for Freeze Shock, it seems that the Kyurem forms got a major power-buff compared to Normal Kyurem which already has Base 130 Attack Stats and if they are Base 150 now like speculated, when something has a stronger Outrage than Haxorus, I think Scarf is definitely a viable option.

Base 150 SpA Draco Meteors with Fire/Fighting coverage both with 100+ Base Power...god that sounds dirty.

[Mario With Lasers]

Don't forget it could have a Choice Band and 252 EVs. That would be a clean KO from Weak Kyurem on Lonely 0 Def Reshiram, while 0 SAtk Reshiram would do 43-50% to Kyurem.

[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Don't forget it could have a Choice Band and 252 EVs. That would be a clean KO from Weak Kyurem on Lonely 0 Def Reshiram, while 0 SAtk Reshiram would do 43-50% to Kyurem.

I really doubt that they would go to such lengths to stage a one hit ko

[SJCrew]

It's unseen information and they're trying to impress a crowd, so it's possible. Also, assuming the fusion mon's corresponding offensive stat is 150, all it needs is 252 EVs and a Choice Band for a clean KO on Reshiram with Freeze Shock.

[satchmo]

Originally Posted by Fat SJCrew

Freeze Shock.

That's quite impressive. But I think Outrage would be a better comparison, as it will see more use.

[ElectivireRocks]

Just throwing it there: I think the Overdrive modes are active as long as Kyurem has Ice Burn/Freeze Shock in its moveset.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quite sure that all the footage we've seen so far doesn't contraddict this theory. Black Kyurem was in Overdrive mode right when it was sent out at the start of the battle and used Freeze Shock.

Assuming those moves are competitively useless, that's essentially a movepool restriction in exchange for whatever the Ovedrive modes do.
Considering that Freeze Shock did so much damage against Reshiram, unless it was purposely staged in order to land that OHKO, it's not out of the question that it could have been thanks to an Attack boost.

If it's something like an auto-Swords Dance/Nasty Plot then being restricted to 3 moves wouldn't be so bad. Kyurem can still get perfect coverage in 3 moves anyway and if it indeed does get a Atk/Sp.Atk boost then Power Herb becomes a lot more viable since it could practically OHKO everything with its other moves at +2 (maybe even at +1), making LO not that needed.

[zyrefredric]

New images from Pokemon Japan newsletter email. Is there any new info from any of them?

[JoshWa]

Originally Posted by Fat zyrefredric

New images from Pokemon Japan newsletter email. Is there any new info from any of them?

Well near the bottom it looks like a new mini game for the Dream World, and it has Joltik in the corner, so they might be releasing (finally) some 5th gen Pokemon?

[Dark Ray]

Originally Posted by Fat JoshWa

Well near the bottom it looks like a new mini game for the Dream World, and it has Joltik in the corner, so they might be releasing (finally) some 5th gen Pokemon?

It doesn't look like a new DW game, it looks like a standard Pokemon site game, all the current DW minigames have 2 sprites in boxes, the Pokemon you tucked in and the Pokemon you're trying to befriend, this doesn't have either.
If someone can translate it we might learn something new but I highly doubt that Joltik game has anything to do with the Global Link.

[Afti]

Daisuke Club stuff, though it says up top that "You can enjoy without a member ID."

I'd trust my translation abilities about as much as I would a gun made of toilet paper rolls, but I don't think that this is tied into the Global Link.

[Jukain]

Originally Posted by Fat EndQuote

Semi-new video, in case anybody is interested.
They seem pretty legit, but I may not be the best judge.

This means there are 6 buildings in this general area of the city, but it seems as though the city is at least a bit bigger.